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** Also, considering how it's been, like, a week and three days since he got injected, the drug may have been in his bloodstream too long for the effects to be reversed.
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* So here's what I don't get: The Children of Arkham hired Catwoman to steal the manifest of Falcone's organization from Hill's safe. So why did they send six of mercs in as well?
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*** Then there's Catwoman's main reason for leaving. She's a compulsive thief and Batman is a crime fighter. There's 3 problems with that: she might not be able to help herself when she sees something she wants, a previous crime may come up that Batman has to lock her up for, and she's still in deep with people like the Riddler who may come for her. Mind you, not the Riddler specifically since he's a friend and presumed dead at this point, but criminals like the Ridrler who may be more... problemic for her and Bruce. Plus, she would eventually run out of money and have to rely on Bruce to pay for everything or get married to him. She doesn't have a legitimate job and wouldn't like a 9-5. She may choose to live with Bruce, but it's way too early to ask him for anything like that. Given that Bruce even considers it an option to betray her in Season 2, her concerns are well founded. Season 2 also shows she may be willing to kill while Batman isn't. Sticking around Bruce would limit her options. Finally, there's the fact that she's used to hiding basically everything about her life. Coming out and telling Bruce everything would be a little scary for her.
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*** Then there's Catwoman's main reason for leaving. She's a compulsive thief and Batman is a crime fighter. There's 3 problems with that: she might not be able to help herself when she sees something she wants, a previous crime may come up that Batman has to lock her up for, and she's still in deep with people like the Riddler who may come for her. Mind you, not the Riddler specifically since he's a friend and presumed dead at this point, but criminals like the Ridrler Riddler who may be more... problemic problematic for her and Bruce. Plus, she would eventually run out of money and have to rely on Bruce to pay for everything or get married to him. She doesn't have a legitimate job and wouldn't like a 9-5. She may choose to live with Bruce, but it's way too early to ask him for anything like that. Given that Bruce even considers it an option to betray her in Season 2, her concerns are well founded. Season 2 also shows she may be willing to kill while Batman isn't. Sticking around Bruce would limit her options. Finally, there's the fact that she's used to hiding basically everything about her life. Coming out and telling Bruce everything would be a little scary for her.
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* After Bruce us drugged by Vicki Vale at the press conference and convinces him to attack Cobblepot, he is sent to Arkham indefinitely thanks to Harvey's influence. However Bruce never seems to defend himself to the doctors by saying he was poisoned, despite the puncture wound still being on his hand and the drugs still being in his system. It is even stranger as Renee Montoya was drugged in a similar fashion and a drug test could prove that he was not in control of himself, similar to her.
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** He’s probably too desperate to take on the Children of Arkham to want to bother with surgery. Plastic surgery might take only a couple of hours but given the extent of the damage to his face, he’d probably have to stay in the hospital for at least a day, and with the Children of Arkham running loose in Gotham, that’s probably time he believes he doesn’t have.
* After Bruceus is drugged by Vicki Vale at the press conference and convinces him to attack Cobblepot, he is sent to Arkham indefinitely thanks to Harvey's influence. However Bruce never seems to defend himself to the doctors by saying he was poisoned, despite the puncture wound still being on his hand and the drugs still being in his system. It is even stranger as Renee Montoya was drugged in a similar fashion and a drug test could prove that he was not in control of himself, similar to her.
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** Judges sentence you to serve time in jail, but before a trial, criminals are held in holding cells. Judges don't determine where the criminal is sent for holding. Police do. Batman is just giving advice. Now mind, this is ONLY true for involuntary commitment of the mentally ill which does NOT require criminal prosecution. Basically, the police have the option to just throw Harvey into Arkham without involving lawyers or judges (like they did with Bruce), or just wait it out for the judge to throw him in Blackgate to await his trial.
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** Judges sentence you to serve time in jail, but before a trial, criminals are held in holding cells. Judges don't determine where the criminal is sent for holding. Police do. Batman is just giving advice. Now mind, this is ONLY true for involuntary commitment of the mentally ill which does NOT require criminal prosecution. Basically, the police have the option to just throw Harvey into Arkham without involving lawyers or judges (like they did with Bruce), or just wait it out for the judge to throw him in Blackgate to await his trial. And unlike Bruce, Harvey had a genuine mental illness.
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** I suppose the citizens of Gotham have a LikeFatherLikeSon mentality. Which is silly, but there you go.
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** They also probably assumed that he knew about his father’s crimes, not realizing that he not only never knew the truth but was horrified when the truth came out.
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** As for him knowing about Vikki's history, she may have been in Arkham for a while before faking sanity to get out. If they could wipe Cobblepot's record clean, they could do the same with Vikki. She has explored the place enough to find the god damn Court of Owls meeting place. Based on how astute John is and how harmless he is, Vikki could have confided her story to him on the basis no one would believe him. Maybe season 3 was meant to explain this.
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** Season 2 also shows us that John took his doctor's advice to heart and practices it day to day. For the mentally insane, knowing you have a problem and actively working on it is a very good sign. John may have cut Zasz and got someone killed, but that can be chalked up to him being anti-social. What sealed it for the doctor was that John didn't riot like literally every other prisoner.
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*** Then there's Catwoman's main reason for leaving. She's a compulsive thief and Batman is a crime fighter. There's 3 problems with that: she might not be able to help herself when she sees something she wants, a previous crime may come up that Batman has to lock her up for, and she's still in deep with people like the Riddler who may come for her. Mind you, not the Riddler specifically since he's a friend and presumed dead at this point, but criminals like the Ridrler who may be more... problemic for her and Bruce. Plus, she would eventually run out of money and have to rely on Bruce to pay for everything or get married to him. She doesn't have a legitimate job and wouldn't like a 9-5. She may choose to live with Bruce, but it's way too early to ask him for anything like that. Given that Bruce even considers it an option to betray her in Season 2, her concerns are well founded. Season 2 also shows she may be willing to kill while Batman isn't. Sticking around Bruce would limit her options. Finally, there's the fact that she's used to hiding basically everything about her life. Coming out and telling Bruce everything would be a little scary for her.
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** Bruce Wayne is at the center of the insanity by virtue of who he is. His father was a man who drove people insane in order to get them locked up and Penguin and Vikki attacked him for it. If Bruce hadn't developed the bat technology then Vikki and Cobblepot wouldn't have targeted his company for his tech. They could still have killed him out of a misguided sense of revenge, but the beginning of Season 1 implied that Cobblepot was okay with Bruce staying alive if he joined him and Lady Arkham as a super villain breaking the system. No matter how mad Bruce got, he was never going to be a super villain, hence why he is inevitably targeted by Cobblepot. On top of that, Bruce's best friend goes insane and he becomes friends with the equally insane John Doe while in Arkham. Bruce deals with insane people a lot, but to answer your question, it's not about Bruce being targeted by the insane. Avesta also realizes that Batman also has to deal with the insane. What's suspicious about it is that both Batman AND Bruce Wayne had a personal relationship/grudge with all the same psychopaths. Batman save Wayne Corp from Cobblepot, and Bruce had to deal with Vikki while Batman dealt with her as Lady Arkham. Batman fights the Riddler and takes the puzzle box and the next thing that happens is that Lucius Fox is killed at Wayne tech? Riddler was the only one who could pull that off, so why would WAYNE be the one hit? At first Avesta was suspicious of how coincidently Bruce and Batman shared the exact same enemies and she's also some kind of psychologist who can compare and contrast Bruce's and Batman's connections with the same question. Regardless what answers you pick to the question in either scenario, the result is basically the same thing: they both deflect ("what do you mean", "I'm rich and I have enemies", "I lock away criminals and some happen to be insane", "I don't like your attitude" etc). It's not the whole puzzle, but just one little piece for Avesta to use to conclude that Wayne is Batman even if she doesn't have all the other pieces yet. Also worth noting, Avesta is an investigator and it's clear she is sizing both Batman and Bruce up. Literally in fact. She stands the same distance from both of them and stares in their faces as she mentions they both attract insane people. She can probably easily tell that Bruce and Batman are the same height or close enough to it that it can be explained away by the thick soles of Batman's boots making him look taller.
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** That still doesn't really make sense. Earlier in the same season you are able to warn her that Gordon is going to try and arrest her. Why are you not able to warn her that the Pact thinks she's the traitor? It could just be that Bruce can't just send a text message right away without someone noticing, but he doesn't need to pull out his phone to send a message. He could just use his communicator to tell Alfred to warn her. After all, in the scene prior to that, he had his contacts in and was scoping out the black site before Bane came around and knocked him out. The only explanation is that they already captured Catwoman or she was just chilling in the base, neither of which is shown or stated to be the case. At the very least, it's a plot tumor since they basically skip a scene showing us when and how she was captured. At worst, it's a contrivance.
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** Another possibility is that he got the nickname as a prepubescent, and puberty was kind to him in the looks department.
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* It's established that the Cobblepots have been living in Gotham for centuries, so why does Oswald have a rather distinct [[{{UsefulNotes/BritishAccents}} Cockney accent]]? Yes, he's obviously travelled a lot since he and Bruce were kids, but nobody so much as comments on his accent.
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* What exactly was Avesta getting at when she was claiming criminals like Two Face, Lady Arkham and Penguin seem to be attracted to Bruce and how he's at the center of Gotham's most notorious? Also, how was she able to guess his identity based on that reasoning? It is very much established that everything last season could be traced back to Thomas Wayne and Bruce was nothing more than a convenient scapegoat for everyone to take their hatred out on, because he was the only living Wayne.
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* What exactly was Avesta getting at when she was claiming criminals like Two Face, Two-Face, Lady Arkham and Penguin seem to be attracted to Bruce and how he's at the center of Gotham's most notorious? Also, how was she able to guess his identity based on that reasoning? It is very much established that everything last season could be traced back to Thomas Wayne and Bruce was nothing more than a convenient [[SinsofOurFathers scapegoat for everyone to take their hatred out on, on because he was the only living Wayne.Wayne]].
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