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*** For starters, Returns was made ''well'' before anyone considered that movie. For a second, I seriously doubt anyone is going to take anything from that movie as canon to BatmanReturns, considering that photo and the name are the only things they have in common.
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*** Didn't the awful, awful Catwoman flick pretty much confirm that she's got some sort of magic powers? Michelle Pfeiffer's character was among the photos of the other Catwomen the crazy lady shows to Halle Berry.
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** Because that dog took it.
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* The guided Batarang, the one Batman uses early in the film. Personally, I never had a problem with such an impossible gadget, it's a comic book movie after all... but why doesn't Batman use it ever again?

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* So, did The Penguin actually think the first-born sons of Gotham would just jump into a pool of raw sewage to their deaths because he was holding a cute umbrella?!

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** He ''didn't'' live in a sewer, even primarily. He worked for the Red Triangle Circus for many years, and he could have gotten his fellow performers to bring him newspapers and library books.
* So, did The Penguin actually think the first-born sons of Gotham would just jump into a pool of raw sewage to their deaths because he was holding a cute umbrella?!umbrella?!
** Well, it's either that or try to make a break for it - and considering some of the firearms the Red Triangle Gang had in their arsenal, that would ''not'' have been a good idea.
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* For someone who's allegedly lived almost all of his life in a sewer, The Penguin seems suspiciously well-educated. He knows what the Reichstag fire was, to cite a prominent example.

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* For someone who's allegedly lived almost all of his life in a sewer, The Penguin seems suspiciously well-educated. He knows what the Reichstag fire was, to cite a prominent example.example.
* So, did The Penguin actually think the first-born sons of Gotham would just jump into a pool of raw sewage to their deaths because he was holding a cute umbrella?!
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** The popular refrain about Batman is that [[HeWhoFightsMonsters "he's almost as crazy as those he fight"]]. People decided he'd finally slipped.

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** The popular refrain about Batman is that [[HeWhoFightsMonsters "he's almost as crazy as those he fight"]]. People decided he'd finally slipped.slipped.
* For someone who's allegedly lived almost all of his life in a sewer, The Penguin seems suspiciously well-educated. He knows what the Reichstag fire was, to cite a prominent example.
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** The popular refrain about Batman is that "he's almost as crazy as those he fight". People decided he'd finally slipped.

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** The popular refrain about Batman is that [[HeWhoFightsMonsters "he's almost as crazy as those he fight".fight"]]. People decided he'd finally slipped.
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*** Isn't this similar to what Enron would later do in real life?
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***** Did you not notice that Chip Schreck wasn't exactly 20 even? Or Shreck's white hair? It's more than possible Shreck lead the company then to,he was certainly old enough
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* One plot point that makes no sense at all when FridgeLogic is applied to it is that people would actually believe that Batman would push the Ice Princess off a building. It certainly looked bad....but wasn't it completely out of character for Batman? Yes, he kills - but he only kills [[AssholeVictim people who reasonably deserve it]], and no one can claim that that girl deserved to die by any stretch of the imagination. And even if, by some perverse logic, Batman ''did'' think she deserved to die, why would a guy who's a known recluse and has been known to employ smoke bombs to mask his exit from a crowded area commit such a heinous crime ''in a place where he knew everyone would be able to see him''? Considering all of this, it wouldn't be hard to arrive at the conclusion that Batman was probably framed.

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* One plot point that makes no sense at all when FridgeLogic is applied to it is that people would actually believe that Batman would push the Ice Princess off a building. It certainly looked bad....but wasn't it completely out of character for Batman? Yes, he kills - but he only kills [[AssholeVictim people who reasonably deserve it]], and no one can claim that that girl deserved to die by any stretch of the imagination. And even if, by some perverse logic, Batman ''did'' think she deserved to die, why would a guy who's a known recluse and has been known to employ smoke bombs to mask his exit from a crowded area commit such a heinous crime ''in a place where he knew everyone would be able to see him''? Considering all of this, it wouldn't be hard to arrive at the conclusion that Batman was probably framed.framed.
** The popular refrain about Batman is that "he's almost as crazy as those he fight". People decided he'd finally slipped.
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*** Think about what Batman says to Dick Grayson regarding killing to get revenge in ''Forever''. He's not just delivering AnAesop, he's speaking from personal experience that killing for revenge doesn't take the pain away, it just makes it worse.

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*** Think about what Batman says to Dick Grayson regarding killing to get revenge in ''Forever''. He's not just delivering AnAesop, he's speaking from personal experience that killing for revenge doesn't take the pain away, it just makes it worse.worse.
* Why do so many fans consider Catwoman the DesignatedHero of this film? She is really no better than any of the other villains. [[HeWhoFightsMonsters She becomes just as brutal and bullying as any of the men who mistreated her ever were]], and she is as egotistical as Max Shreck himself: following her one act of true heroism, when she saves a woman from a mugger, she makes it clear that ItsAllAboutMe. And in the climax, she rejects Bruce Wayne's love in the harshest way possible - ''after'' he's peeled off his mask in front of a third party in his attempt to reach her! How anyone can think that she, and not Batman himself, is the hero of this story is quite strange. Yes, the title character is a scary, murdering bastard - but at least he puts his life on the line for complete strangers and expects nothing in return, which cannot be said of Catwoman. It was he who saved all the kidnapped children and stopped the city from being blown up. Catwoman ''did'' kill off the BigBad, but he never posed a mortal threat to the city.
* One plot point that makes no sense at all when FridgeLogic is applied to it is that people would actually believe that Batman would push the Ice Princess off a building. It certainly looked bad....but wasn't it completely out of character for Batman? Yes, he kills - but he only kills [[AssholeVictim people who reasonably deserve it]], and no one can claim that that girl deserved to die by any stretch of the imagination. And even if, by some perverse logic, Batman ''did'' think she deserved to die, why would a guy who's a known recluse and has been known to employ smoke bombs to mask his exit from a crowded area commit such a heinous crime ''in a place where he knew everyone would be able to see him''? Considering all of this, it wouldn't be hard to arrive at the conclusion that Batman was probably framed.
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*** People -can- survive high amounts of electricity if lucky and/or in the right situation. Plus, her rubber suit (from the raincoats she cuts up) makes for good insulation.
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***** Not necessarily. Though rare, it is possible for people to own/run a (big) company at a young age. A recent example would be Facebook which was started by a guy in college.
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*** Ice floats just fine.
**** Ice may float just fine, but what we see in this scene are ''individual snowflakes'', which would melt into the water.
***** Maybe there was a chemical in the water that pevented it from freezing at the usual temperature? So it was cold enough to maintain snow but couldn't freeze normally. We are told that there's toxic waste being produced an the Peguin ends up with a pool of it.
****** We're also told the toxicity levels are Shreck's fault, and if Oswald's a baby, Shreck can't be old enough to have a job, let alone run a company.

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*** ** Ice floats just fine.
**** *** Ice may float just fine, but what we see in this scene are ''individual snowflakes'', which would melt into the water.
***** **** Maybe there was a chemical in the water that pevented it from freezing at the usual temperature? So it was cold enough to maintain snow but couldn't freeze normally. We are told that there's toxic waste being produced an the Peguin ends up with a pool of it.
****** ***** We're also told the toxicity levels are Shreck's fault, and if Oswald's a baby, Shreck can't be old enough to have a job, let alone run a company.



** They were rich, probably well-known people. If Oswald was somehow traced back to them, they would probably be incredibly embarrassed. And when you're a shallow rich asshole character in a movie, embarrassment isn't something you can get over too well.

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** *** They were rich, probably well-known people. If Oswald was somehow traced back to them, they would probably be incredibly embarrassed. And when you're a shallow rich asshole character in a movie, embarrassment isn't something you can get over too well.



** One of TimBurton's biographers theorizes that Shreck intended to "corner the market" on electricity (in Gotham, anyway) and sell it to the people at artificially high rates (since the stockpiling would enable him to claim that some of the power was unaccounted for).

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** *** One of TimBurton's biographers theorizes that Shreck intended to "corner the market" on electricity (in Gotham, anyway) and sell it to the people at artificially high rates (since the stockpiling would enable him to claim that some of the power was unaccounted for).



*** Think about what Batman says to Dick Grayson regarding killing to get revenge in ''Forever''.

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*** Think about what Batman says to Dick Grayson regarding killing to get revenge in ''Forever''. He's not just delivering AnAesop, he's speaking from personal experience that killing for revenge doesn't take the pain away, it just makes it worse.
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** He killed an entire warehouse full of people in the first movie too. If Schumacher did anything right, it was at least setting Bruce up as very anti-death.

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** He killed an entire warehouse full of people in the first movie too. If Schumacher did anything right, it was at least setting Bruce up as very anti-death.anti-death.
*** Think about what Batman says to Dick Grayson regarding killing to get revenge in ''Forever''.
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*** At the end, she takes enough bullets and a stun gun kiss which should kill any normal person they just counted as losing lives. And, of course, she was alive at the end of the movie. She seemed to have some sort of power.
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** She wasn't really dead when she hit the pavement. Almost certainly brain-damaged enough to cause a psychotic break, but miraculously not seriously injured. Happens sometimes: people fall off buildings and don't pick up the horrific injuries you would expect. Just used up one of her nine lives (not magically, just metaphorically).

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* Batman KILLS someone with a smile on his face

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* Batman KILLS someone with a smile on his faceface.
** He killed an entire warehouse full of people in the first movie too. If Schumacher did anything right, it was at least setting Bruce up as very anti-death.
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** One of TimBurton's biographers theorizes that Shreck intended to "corner the market" on electricity (in Gotham, anyway) and sell it to the people at artificially high rates (since the stockpiling would enable him to claim that some of the power was unaccounted for).

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** One of TimBurton's biographers theorizes that Shreck intended to "corner the market" on electricity (in Gotham, anyway) and sell it to the people at artificially high rates (since the stockpiling would enable him to claim that some of the power was unaccounted for).for).
* Batman KILLS someone with a smile on his face
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** ForTheEvulz, really.

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** ForTheEvulz, really.really.
** One of TimBurton's biographers theorizes that Shreck intended to "corner the market" on electricity (in Gotham, anyway) and sell it to the people at artificially high rates (since the stockpiling would enable him to claim that some of the power was unaccounted for).
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* When Bruce searches through info on the Red Triangle Gang, his fears are confirmed when he reads that their circus was closed after the disappearance of several young children. This is never brought up again, however, an appliance of equal parts {{Fridge Brilliance}} and {{Fridge Horror}} would imply that [[spoiler: the penguin was already a serial child murderer.]]

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* When Bruce searches through info on the Red Triangle Gang, his fears are confirmed when he reads that their circus was closed after the disappearance of several young children. This is never brought up again, however, an appliance of equal parts {{Fridge Brilliance}} and {{Fridge Horror}} would imply that [[spoiler: the penguin Penguin was already a serial child murderer.]]]]
** Either that, or [[spoiler: at least some of those kidnapping victims got shanghaied into joining the gang, which would add a chilling subtext to the scene where they're shown kidnapping other children]].
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*** I wrote a fanfic once that explained what happened after the Gotham police rounded up the child-kidnappers at the Red Triangle Circus (which occurred several years before the events of the movie). The Penguin and what few of his henchpeople were able to escape fled to Canada, where they lived for a time in the Northwest Territories and honed their cold-weather survival skills (which explains why they were able to comfortably inhabit the Arctic World exhibit). After a few years, they came back across the border and bounced around from one American city to another until Penguin had decided that the kidnapping furor had blown over and it was safe to return to Gotham City. According to my {{Fanon}}, then, it's possible that they stole some penguins from another zoo somewhere and brought them to Gotham with them.
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** Considering what a CrapsackWorld this is, I'm honestly not surprised; maybe the staff were ordered to euthanize the animals but couldn't bring themselves to do it.



*** That and it adds to the already rampant [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic biblical symbolism]].



* We learn that Shreck is a CorruptCorporateExecutive because he plans to build a power plant that actually intentionally ''drains'' power from Gotham City instead of generating it. What would Shreck gain from this at all? He can't really do much with the energy he's just "stockpiling somewhere", and when people start realizing there's a power shortage ''they're going to blame the power plant,'' even if they don't catch on to the plan.

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* We learn that Shreck is a CorruptCorporateExecutive because he plans to build a power plant that actually intentionally ''drains'' power from Gotham City instead of generating it. What would Shreck gain from this at all? He can't really do much with the energy he's just "stockpiling somewhere", and when people start realizing there's a power shortage ''they're going to blame the power plant,'' even if they don't catch on to the plan.plan.
** ForTheEvulz, really.
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* So how did Selina come back from the dead, exactly? Are stray cats magic?

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* So how did Selina come back from the dead, exactly? Are stray cats magic?magic?
* We learn that Shreck is a CorruptCorporateExecutive because he plans to build a power plant that actually intentionally ''drains'' power from Gotham City instead of generating it. What would Shreck gain from this at all? He can't really do much with the energy he's just "stockpiling somewhere", and when people start realizing there's a power shortage ''they're going to blame the power plant,'' even if they don't catch on to the plan.

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* So, uh, stray cat saliva = ressurection?

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** They were rich, probably well-known people. If Oswald was somehow traced back to them, they would probably be incredibly embarrassed. And when you're a shallow rich asshole character in a movie, embarrassment isn't something you can get over too well.
* So, uh, So how did Selina come back from the dead, exactly? Are stray cat saliva = ressurection?cats magic?
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**They likely (and sadly correctly) assumed no one would want him because of his gross deformities.

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**They likely (and sadly correctly) assumed no one would want him because of his gross deformities.deformities.
* So, uh, stray cat saliva = ressurection?

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* I realize the answer is "there'd be no movie," but ''why didn't Penguin's parents just put him up for adoption''?

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**He's lived underground most of his life, despite occasional trips to the surface and been exposed to chemicals and deprived of proper nutrition. Him looking much older than he is is no surprise.
* I realize the answer is "there'd be no movie," but ''why didn't Penguin's parents just put him up for adoption''?adoption''?
**They likely (and sadly correctly) assumed no one would want him because of his gross deformities.
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* The "Gotham City: 33 Years Later" caption always left me scratching my head. The Penguin is only thirty-three years old? He's deformed, yeah, but not enough to make it undiscernable that he's obviously at least into his mid-forties.

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* The "Gotham City: 33 Years Later" caption always left me scratching my head. The Penguin is only thirty-three years old? He's deformed, yeah, but not enough to make it undiscernable that he's obviously at least into his mid-forties.mid-forties.
* I realize the answer is "there'd be no movie," but ''why didn't Penguin's parents just put him up for adoption''?

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