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** If her targets recognized Phantasm's voice as Carl Beaumont's, they'd probably be even more scared and believed it's a real phantasm. Any targets who might've escaped could go after the Joker to check if he really killed Carl.
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** Also, if his death is not generally known, pinning suspicion on him has the extra advantage of leading the authorities on a wild goose chase.

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*** No, Joker meant that he'd planted a bomb in the building and the Phantasms' face will be all over town along with (her) limbs etc. Much like how in ''The Dark Knight'' when he's asked where Harvey Dent is and he says that "depending on the time, he could be in one spot "or several". He didn't release the tape to expose the real killer (I mean, why make Batmans' life easier?), and we know this because the manhunt continues throughout the movie.

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*** No, Joker meant that he'd planted a bomb in the building and the Phantasms' face will be all over town along with (her) limbs etc. Much like how in ''The Dark Knight'' when he's asked where Harvey Dent is and he says that "depending on the time, he could be in one spot "or several". He didn't release the tape to expose the real killer (I mean, why make Batmans' Batman's life easier?), and we know this because the manhunt continues throughout the movie.movie.
*** The Joker thought it ''was'' Batman, and expected the tape to prove his guilt:
---->Whoops! Ha! I guess the joke's on me. You're not Batman after all. Looks like there's a new face in Gotham and soon his name will be all over town... to say nothing of his legs, and feet, and spleen, and head...
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*** No, Joker meant that he'd planted a bomb in the building and the Phantasms' face will be all over town along with (her) limbs etc. Much like how in ''The Dark Knight'' when he's asked where Harvey Dent is and he says that "depending on the time, he could be in one spot "or several". He didn't release the tape to expose the real killer (I mean, why make Batmans' life easier?), and we know this because the manhunt continues throughout the movie.
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*** WordOfGod [[https://issuu.com/twomorrows/docs/backissue99preview confirmed]] that Harley was excluded from the film because they wanted to keep the Joker as a solo threat and because she wasn't still yet a recurring character, as demonstrated in the episodes "[[Recap/BatmanTheAnimatedSeriesE41JokersWild Joker's Wild]]" and "[[Recap/BatmanTheAnimatedSeriesE37TheStrangeSecretOfBruceWayne The Strange Case of Bruce Wayne]]", where the Joker appears but Harley doesn't.

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*** WordOfGod has [[https://issuu.com/twomorrows/docs/backissue99preview confirmed]] that Harley was excluded from the film because they wanted to keep the Joker as a solo threat and because she wasn't still yet a recurring character, as demonstrated in the episodes "[[Recap/BatmanTheAnimatedSeriesE41JokersWild Joker's Wild]]" and "[[Recap/BatmanTheAnimatedSeriesE37TheStrangeSecretOfBruceWayne The Strange Case of Bruce Wayne]]", where the Joker appears but Harley doesn't.
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**** WordOfGod [[https://issuu.com/twomorrows/docs/backissue99preview confirmed]] that Harley was excluded from the film because they wanted to keep the Joker as a solo threat and because she wasn't still yet a recurring character, as demonstrated in the episodes "[[Recap/BatmanTheAnimatedSeriesE41JokersWild Joker's Wild]]" and "[[Recap/BatmanTheAnimatedSeriesE37TheStrangeSecretOfBruceWayne The Strange Case of Bruce Wayne]]", where the Joker appears but Harley doesn't.
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** That or Valestra had the typical "reputable businessman" appearance and didn't want witnesses to compromise himself.

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** That or Valestra had the typical "reputable businessman" appearance and didn't want witnesses to compromise himself.himself.
** It's also pretty clear that, while he's still wealthy, Valestra's glory days are well behind him. He may not even have body guards anymore, either because he's out of the game entirely (he seemed to be minding his own business before he realized all his own goons were getting killed) or because money's too tight these days to have anyone in his employ and still enjoy a rich lifestyle.
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** Also, as noted above, the doctors were already treating Reeves. Adding Batman's antidote to the mix might have done more harm than good.

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* The effects of the Joker's toxin are a tad...inconsistent. When the Joker gives some to Valestra, he turns up dead. Yet when Arthur Reeves gets a dose he's taking to the hospital in a laughing fit. His doctor sedates him and decides to "let the toxin run its course." Isn't this stuff lethal? And if it is, why did Batman(who is strongly opposed to killing) just leave ''without giving Reeves the cure'' after his interrogation?

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* The effects of the Joker's toxin are a tad...inconsistent. When the Joker gives some to Valestra, he turns up dead. Yet when Arthur Reeves gets a dose he's taking to the hospital in a laughing fit. His doctor sedates him and decides to "let the toxin run its course." Isn't this stuff lethal? And if it is, why did Batman(who Batman (who is strongly opposed to killing) just leave ''without giving Reeves the cure'' after his interrogation?




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** As for why Batman didn't cure him, its because Reeves sold out Andrea's dad to the mob under the delusion that they "just want their money back". Also, Batman was probably struck with the realization that Andrea is the Phantasm to avenge her father.


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*** And lastly, he killed Andrea's father, which led the woman he loved into a dark path.

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** [[spoiler:We see her on a plane, yes. But we don't know where that plane left ''from''. She could have easily killed those guys, fled the city some other way, and flew in from another airport, or explaning it as a transfer]].

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** [[spoiler:We see her on a plane, yes. But we don't know where that plane left ''from''. She could have easily killed those guys, fled the city some other way, and flew in from another airport, or explaning explaining it as a transfer]].



** He didn't save apparently with Commisioner Gordon for sometime. If you recall the pilot episode for BTAS the police seem all to happy to go after Batman. Sure only Bullock is really gungho about it but even after Gordon keeps telling them to wait, or not fire they don't seem to hesitate much when Bullock gives the order. Given that it's somewhere between difficult and impossible to tell how much time has lapsed between any two episodes (or even in most cases if the episodes are in chronological order) we don't know how long it took for him to patch his relationship with the GCPD. It certainly wasn't sterling by the time they reached P.O.V.

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** He didn't save apparently with Commisioner Commissioner Gordon for sometime. If you recall the pilot episode for BTAS the police seem all to happy to go after Batman. Sure only Bullock is really gungho about it but even after Gordon keeps telling them to wait, or not fire they don't seem to hesitate much when Bullock gives the order. Given that it's somewhere between difficult and impossible to tell how much time has lapsed between any two episodes (or even in most cases if the episodes are in chronological order) we don't know how long it took for him to patch his relationship with the GCPD. It certainly wasn't sterling by the time they reached P.O.V.



* If it's commons knowledge that Joker is Jack Napier, wouldn't Bruce know that Napier had worked for Valestro back in the day?

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* If it's commons knowledge that Joker is Jack Napier, wouldn't Bruce know that Napier had worked for Valestro Valestra back in the day?



** Andrea's plan included shifting the blame to her dad as a fallback. She had to do it while he could conceivably kill them, since he'd be mid 50s when the movie happens.



** Likely to avoid making Joker feel insulted that Valestra didn't trust him enough to be alone. That and he was probably banking on Joker's known rivalry with Batman to supercede any other threat the Clown Prince of Crime posed.
** Another possibility is that the bodyguards were afraid of the Joker, and either [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere outright refused to go]] or showed such obvious reluctance that Valestra offered to [[LineInTheSand let them stay behind]] in a (failed) attempt to shame them.

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** Likely to avoid making Joker feel insulted that Valestra didn't trust him enough to be alone. That and he was probably banking on Joker's known rivalry with Batman to supercede supersede any other threat the Clown Prince of Crime posed.
** Another possibility is that the bodyguards were afraid of the Joker, and either [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere outright refused to go]] or showed such obvious reluctance that Valestra offered to [[LineInTheSand let them stay behind]] in a (failed) attempt to shame them.them.
** That or Valestra had the typical "reputable businessman" appearance and didn't want witnesses to compromise himself.
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** This troper assumes it takes place sometime during the show. The other criminals like Penguin, Catwoman, Two-Face, etc. are either in Arkham, in jail, or just laying low during the whole thing. They each are working on their own plans and probably take advantage of the situation. After all, the entire movie seem to span two-or-three days. Take the episode "Make 'Em Laugh" for an example, which happened while [[Recap/BatmanTheAnimatedSeriesE57ShadowOfTheBatPart1 Gordon was accused of]] [[Recap/BatmanTheAnimatedSeriesE58ShadowOfTheBatPart2 taking bribes]] and during [[Recap/TheAdventuresOfBatmanAndRobinE14RiddlersReform Riddler's apparent reformation]].
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* The effects of the Joker's toxin are a tad...inconsistent. When the Joker gives some to Valestra, he turns up dead. Yet when Arthur Reeves gets a dose he's taking to the hospital in a laughing fit. His doctor sedates him and decides to "let the toxin run its course." Isn't this stuff lethal? And if it is, why did Batman(who is strongly opposed to killing)just leave ''without giving Reeves the cure'' after his interrogation?

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* The effects of the Joker's toxin are a tad...inconsistent. When the Joker gives some to Valestra, he turns up dead. Yet when Arthur Reeves gets a dose he's taking to the hospital in a laughing fit. His doctor sedates him and decides to "let the toxin run its course." Isn't this stuff lethal? And if it is, why did Batman(who is strongly opposed to killing)just killing) just leave ''without giving Reeves the cure'' after his interrogation?



** In this review of a follow up of the movie ''Mask of the Phantasm'', we see that Andrea really is only a human being who now works as a hired assassin, just as good as Batman sneaking up and disappearing. (the first pages show us how she and the Joker cheated death in the movie ([[http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/motpanniv/reviews/bra/ Batman & Robin Adventures - Annual #1: Shadow of the Phantasm]]).

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** In this review of a follow up of the movie ''Mask of the Phantasm'', we see that Andrea really is only a human being who now works as a hired assassin, just as good as Batman sneaking up and disappearing. (the (The first pages show us how she and the Joker cheated death in the movie ([[http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/motpanniv/reviews/bra/ Batman & Robin Adventures - Annual #1: Shadow of the Phantasm]]).



** Gordon didn't suspect that Batman was behind the killings to begin with, and was vocally opposed to the manhunt against Batman. There was very little evidence that Batman was present at the crime scenes for any other reason than that he was doing what he always does; help out. So Gordon probably had the entire idea scrapped after the killings stopped. Also consider that it was probably pretty hard to keep the case up once they found out that the attorney who who suggested the manhunt [[spoiler: was trying to cover up the highly-illegal business he did with all of the victims.]]

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** Gordon didn't suspect that Batman was behind the killings to begin with, and was vocally opposed to the manhunt against Batman. There was very little evidence that Batman was present at the crime scenes for any other reason than that he was doing what he always does; help out. So Gordon probably had the entire idea scrapped after the killings stopped. Also consider that it was probably pretty hard to keep the case up once they found out that the attorney who who suggested the manhunt [[spoiler: was trying to cover up the highly-illegal business he did with all of the victims.]]



* Okay Carl, you done a bad, bad thing and embezzled money from mobsters who are going to slaughter you and your daughter like chickens. Good thing she just got engaged to the richest man in Gotham who is a nice, moral guy with a strong sense of justice and duty! I'm sure he'll be happy to lend you the money...Oh, you'd rather run to Greece, huh? Not even going to bother asking? Your choice. Dumbass.

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* Okay Carl, you done a bad, bad thing and embezzled money from mobsters who are going to slaughter you and your daughter like chickens. Good thing she just got engaged to the richest man in Gotham who is a nice, moral guy with a strong sense of justice and duty! I'm sure he'll be happy to lend you the money... Oh, you'd rather run to Greece, huh? Not even going to bother asking? Your choice. Dumbass.
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** Likely to avoid making Joker feel insulted that Valestra didn't trust him enough to be alone. That and he was probably banking on Joker's known rivalry with Batman to supercede any other threat the Clown Prince of Crime posed.

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** Likely to avoid making Joker feel insulted that Valestra didn't trust him enough to be alone. That and he was probably banking on Joker's known rivalry with Batman to supercede any other threat the Clown Prince of Crime posed.posed.
** Another possibility is that the bodyguards were afraid of the Joker, and either [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere outright refused to go]] or showed such obvious reluctance that Valestra offered to [[LineInTheSand let them stay behind]] in a (failed) attempt to shame them.
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** It's also making it not just her revenge, but her father's revenge by proxy. Besides, as mentioned above, he's dead. It's not like anyone can throw him into jail for it.
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** The invisibility tech actually makes sense, if you check the finale when Andrea and Joker disappear you can still hear the Joker's laugh while they are unseen, as if he's still nearby but invisible.
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* Why does Valestra goes to see the Joker alone? He's a mafia boss meeting a well known unpredictable serial killer, why not to take some bodyguards with him?

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* Why does Valestra goes to see the Joker alone? He's a mafia boss meeting a well known unpredictable serial killer, why not to take some bodyguards with him?him?
** Likely to avoid making Joker feel insulted that Valestra didn't trust him enough to be alone. That and he was probably banking on Joker's known rivalry with Batman to supercede any other threat the Clown Prince of Crime posed.
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* Why does Valestra goes to see the Joker alone? He's a mafia boss meeting a well know unpredictable serial killer, why not to take some bodyguards with him?

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* Why does Valestra goes to see the Joker alone? He's a mafia boss meeting a well know known unpredictable serial killer, why not to take some bodyguards with him?
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* If you see the scene carefully she does not overruns the plane, the jet catches with her and then passes her, but Batman jumps from the plane so obviously he has to make it go slower. The rest can be explain with technology seen in the series itself, her "teleporting" could be an adaptation of the same invisibility tech that we see in the episode of the invisible man and been bulletproof only requires to have a very good armor.

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* ** If you see the scene carefully she does not overruns the plane, the jet catches with her and then passes her, but Batman jumps from the plane so obviously he has to make it go slower. The rest can be explain with technology seen in the series itself, her "teleporting" could be an adaptation of the same invisibility tech that we see in the episode of the invisible man and been bulletproof only requires to have a very good armor.
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* If you see the scene carefully she does not overruns the plane, the jet catches with her and then passes her, but Batman jumps from the plane so obviously he has to make it go slower. The rest can be explain with technology seen in the series itself, her "teleporting" could be an adaptation of the same invisibility tech that we see in the episode of the invisible man and been bulletproof only requires to have a very good armor.



** She may have felt that making her father's voice the last thing her victims heard added an extra touch to her revenge. There's also the ruthlessly pragmatic element of [[DeceasedFallGuyGambit blaming someone who is beyond consequences]].

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** She may have felt that making her father's voice the last thing her victims heard added an extra touch to her revenge. There's also the ruthlessly pragmatic element of [[DeceasedFallGuyGambit blaming someone who is beyond consequences]].consequences]].
* Why does Valestra goes to see the Joker alone? He's a mafia boss meeting a well know unpredictable serial killer, why not to take some bodyguards with him?
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** Well for the original question; should be remember that Harley appers until the Joker's Favor episode, there are like two episodes with the Joker without her, so if the movie happens before the series, then the Joker still hasn't met Harley (or hasn't turn her into her minion yet, as she use to be a doctor in Arkham). On the other hand Harley and the Joker do not end the series together, they split after Harlequinade, Harley seems to be in her way to rehabilitation in Harley's Holiday and the Joker openly says he has "a new girl" in his last episode on the series Make 'Em Laugh, so if the movie events happen after the series last episode (Batgirl's Return) as some fans believe, then again Harley is not with the Joker at that point. And yes both the next series The New Batman Adventures, the crossovers with Superman and the Batman Beyond movie Return of the Joker bring Harley back as his minion/lover, there are still time gaps where the Joker and Harley are separated that can explain her absent from the movie. About the other issue, remember that they already have the Batsignal in the movie so clearly Batman has been working with the police for a time. If the movie is a straight prequel then it can be too far before Leather Wings (the first episode), but the series finale theory make sense too, the events could be right after the ending of the first series. Maybe that's why Batman is so soar in The New Batman Adventures.

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** Well for the original question; should be remember remembered that Harley appers until the Joker's Favor episode, there are like two episodes with the Joker without her, so if the movie happens before the series, then the Joker still hasn't met Harley (or hasn't turn her into her minion yet, as she use to be a doctor in Arkham). On the other hand Harley and the Joker do not end the series together, they split after Harlequinade, Harley seems to be in her way to rehabilitation in Harley's Holiday and the Joker openly says he has "a new girl" in his last episode on the series Make 'Em Laugh, so if the movie events happen after the series last episode (Batgirl's Return) as some fans believe, then again Harley is not with the Joker at that point. And yes both the next series The New Batman Adventures, the crossovers with Superman and the Batman Beyond movie Return of the Joker bring Harley back as his minion/lover, there are still time gaps where the Joker and Harley are separated that can explain her absent absence from the movie. About the other issue, remember that they already have the Batsignal in the movie so clearly Batman has been working with the police for a time. If the movie is a straight prequel then it can can't be too far before Leather Wings (the first episode), but the series finale theory make sense too, the events could be right after the ending of the first series. Maybe that's why Batman is so soar in The New Batman Adventures.

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** Well for the original question; should be remember that Harley appers until the Joker's Favor episode, there are like two episodes with the Joker without her, so if the movie happens before the series, then the Joker still hasn't met Harley (or hasn't turn her into her minion yet, as she use to be a doctor in Arkham). On the other hand Harley and the Joker do not end the series together, they split after Harlequinade, Harley seems to be in her way to rehabilitation in Harley's Holiday and the Joker openly says he has "a new girl" in his last episode on the series Make 'Em Laugh, so if the movie events happen after the series last episode (Batgirl's Return) as some fans believe, then again Harley is not with the Joker at that point. And yes both the next series The New Batman Adventures, the crossovers with Superman and the Batman Beyond movie Return of the Joker bring Harley back as his minion/lover, there are still time gaps where the Joker and Harley are separated that can explain her absent from the movie. About the other issue, remember that they already have the Batsignal in the movie so clearly Batman has been working with the police for a time. If the movie is a straight prequel then it can be too far before Leather Wings (the first episode), but the series finale theory make sense too, the events could be right after the ending of the first series. Maybe that's why Batman is so soar in The New Batman Adventures.
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** She probably blames him for what happened to her just as much as she wants to avenge him. She wants to make ''everyone'' who ruined her life with Bruce pay -- the mobsters that her father owed money to, the hitman who killed him, and even her father himself for dealing with them in the first place.

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** She probably blames him for what happened to her just as much as she wants to avenge him. She wants to make ''everyone'' who ruined her life with Bruce pay -- the mobsters that her father owed money to, the hitman who killed him, and even her father himself for dealing with them in the first place.place.
** She may have felt that making her father's voice the last thing her victims heard added an extra touch to her revenge. There's also the ruthlessly pragmatic element of [[DeceasedFallGuyGambit blaming someone who is beyond consequences]].
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** Reeves had already been treated for the Joker venom prior to Batman's arrival at the hospital, and had to remain calm, hence being left alone in a darkened room - any stimuli seemed to flare him up again.
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* Speaking of Andrea's revenge scheme, why would she set her father up as the Phantasm (mimicking his voice)? Why frame the man whose death you are avenging? Let's assume his funeral was held in secret and no one knew about it except her, why would she smear his reputation and name.

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* Speaking of Andrea's revenge scheme, why would she set her father up as the Phantasm (mimicking his voice)? Why frame the man whose death you are avenging? Let's assume his funeral was held in secret and no one knew about it except her, why would she smear his reputation and name.name.
** She probably blames him for what happened to her just as much as she wants to avenge him. She wants to make ''everyone'' who ruined her life with Bruce pay -- the mobsters that her father owed money to, the hitman who killed him, and even her father himself for dealing with them in the first place.
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* Speaking of Andrea's revenge scheme, why would she set her father up as the Phantasm (mimicking his voice)? Why frame the man whose death you are avenging? Let's assume his funeral was held in secret and no one knows about it, why would she smear his reputation and name.

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* Speaking of Andrea's revenge scheme, why would she set her father up as the Phantasm (mimicking his voice)? Why frame the man whose death you are avenging? Let's assume his funeral was held in secret and no one knows knew about it, it except her, why would she smear his reputation and name.
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* Speaking of Andrea's revenge scheme, why would she set her father up as the Phantasm (mimicking his voice)? Why frame the man whose death you are avenging? Let's assume his funeral was a secret/private one, why would she smear his reputation and name.

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* Speaking of Andrea's revenge scheme, why would she set her father up as the Phantasm (mimicking his voice)? Why frame the man whose death you are avenging? Let's assume his funeral was a secret/private one, held in secret and no one knows about it, why would she smear his reputation and name.
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** There's no reason given for the timing. Possibly it took her time to set up her alibis, equipment, and her own training.

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** There's no reason given for the timing. Possibly it took her time to set up her alibis, equipment, and her own training.training.
* Speaking of Andrea's revenge scheme, why would she set her father up as the Phantasm (mimicking his voice)? Why frame the man whose death you are avenging? Let's assume his funeral was a secret/private one, why would she smear his reputation and name.
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****** I always thought the movie was kind of the series’ finale and, as such, the events happened after the last episode.

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** [[spoiler: Pay attention, they explain this plot point in the damn movie]]


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** Remember how [[spoiler:Joker had a camera that recorded the Phantasm saying "Sal Valestra, your angel of death awaits?" and tells her that her face will soon be all over Gotham?]] That's how.

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