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* So the Joker donated a bunch of his now-toxic blood to hospitals across Gotham to make Batman find a cure. Did they not ''test'' it?

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* So the Joker [[ShareTheSickness donated a bunch of his now-toxic blood to hospitals across Gotham Gotham]] to make Batman find a cure. Did they not ''test'' it?
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* Batman could have forwarded the Spirit Of Arkham info to Vale, Ryder, or even the big boy scout. Enterprising reporters all, they could have used what it contained to corroborate other events it describes, and avoided the controversy over its origins. A starting point for scandals that could have done the trick. However, Bruce deduced that there was another force behind Sharp and Strange, and saw that this unknown was determined to get him in. With so many candidates in the DCU for such manipulation (Ra's seems obvious, but it could run from Luthor to Darkseid), he made the painful choice to let the scheme play out to expose them.
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* Maybe the tech Freeze gave him wasn't the grenade itself, but some kind of miniature freeze grenade produced?

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* Maybe *Maybe the tech Freeze gave him wasn't the grenade itself, but some kind of miniature freeze grenade produced?
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*Maybe the tech Freeze gave him wasn't the grenade itself, but some kind of miniature freeze grenade produced?
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* Even moreso than Bruce's allies in Gotham proper, you have to wonder why Strange never saw blowback from this little group Batman is part of known as '''''the Justice League'''''. If no one else, Superman would not be happy about his best friend getting kidnapped, and a group of TYGER mooks attempting to arrest Clark Kent for poking his nose into Arkham City would be the peak of BlackComedy.
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** In Britain and some other places, a surgeon is addressed as mister; this is an old tradition that goes back to when anyone could be a doctor if they just read a few books, but a surgeon was expected to be a cut above; a gentleman of learning and good standing. A 'mister'. The tradition remains today, so it's either a reference to that or a happy accident.
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** Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Superman's "hesitancy to interfere in official government ideas" doesn't extend to ideas that revolve around walling off entire city boroughs, stuffing them full of prisoners, and machine-gunning the prisoners from the air. His hesitancy generally stems from interfering in the democratic process and stifling free-will, not passively tolerating state-sanctioned genocide.

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** Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Superman's "hesitancy to interfere in official government ideas" doesn't extend to ideas that revolve around walling off entire borough of the city boroughs, he lives in, stuffing them full of prisoners, and machine-gunning the prisoners from the air. His hesitancy generally stems from interfering in the democratic process and stifling free-will, not passively tolerating state-sanctioned genocide.
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** You ever heard of the trope KneelBeforeZod?

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** You Have you ever heard of the trope KneelBeforeZod?



** The obvious problem with that being that Gotham City ''is'' a city in the united states. In every continuity it is. In fact, in the comics they even establish it's in New Jersey. They had to pay taxes to US President Lex Luthor like everyone else.

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** The obvious problem with that being is that Gotham City ''is'' a city in the united states.United States. In every continuity it is. In fact, in the comics they even establish it's in New Jersey. They had to pay taxes to US President Lex Luthor like everyone else.
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** I think this is a case of reading between the lines. It's clarified in the game that Strange is deliberately allowing a pipeline of ''some'' illegal weapons into Arkham City to allow the gang-war to escalate, thus ensuring he can proceed with Protocol 10 which, as a reminder, basically means 'if Arkham City is going to hell, just destroy it all so it doesn't get any worse'. He may not know that rocket launchers are getting into the city, or he does and he doesn't care because he knows it'll bring Protocol 10 all the faster. Either way Strange is still letting it happen, and it'll serve his end goal regardless.
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*It’s the real Joker attached to the monitor and “dead”, according to the flashbacks during the fake Joker reveal. As for HOW the Joker managed to fool even Detective Mode, it’s already established that mutative accidents in the Arkhamverse can dramatically alter a person’s physiology and biochemistry (Mr.Freeze and Poison Ivy being perfect examples of this). The Joker in particular has odd physiology in that his very blood can induce mutations in other people, as shown with the Joker infected in Arkham Knight (who all take on Joker-esque traits, including green hair and pale skin). It’s entirely possible that this already weird physiology, combined with the after effects of Joker’s dramatic mutation from TITAN, has made it where Joker’s “normal” vitals (and the biological processes that would produce said vitals), are so out of the norm for even mutated individuals like himself, that Detective Mode can’t register them for the few seconds that Batman is able to even look at the “corpse”. Especially since that is the only time Batman can even USE Detective Mode on the real Joker, as EVERY OTHER TIME the Joker is encountered and scannable, it’s Clayface masquerading as him.
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** "The Batcave isn't exactly well hidden". Ummm... what? [[Film/{{Fargo}} I'm not sure I agree with you a hunnerd percent on your logic there, Lou]]. It's a ''cave''; it's ''very'' well hidden, by simple virtue of the fact that it's, well, underground as part of a complex of hidden passageways, chasms and voids in the Earth. And if you think Bruce Wayne hasn't spent a lot of time, money and effort making the entrance(s) to what is in a very real and literal sense his secret lair ''very'' difficult to locate and access and ''very'' well protected, then [[ProperlyParanoid you don't know Bruce Wayne]].

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** "The Batcave isn't exactly well hidden". Ummm... what? [[Film/{{Fargo}} I'm not sure I agree with you a hunnerd percent on your logic there, Lou]]. It's a ''cave''; it's ''very'' well hidden, by simple virtue of the fact that it's, well, underground as part of a complex of hidden passageways, chasms and voids in the Earth. And if you think Bruce Wayne hasn't spent a lot of time, money and effort making the entrance(s) to what is in a very real and literal sense his secret lair ''very'' difficult to locate and access and ''very'' well protected, even from within Wayne Manor, then [[ProperlyParanoid you don't know Bruce Wayne]].
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** The game bios reveal that Penguin bought the Museum long before Arkham City was built because it was unprofitable to run; he presumably had it built and reinforced to act as a shark tank for vanity / ego / body disposal reasons.
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** "The Batcave isn't exactly well hidden". Ummm... what? [[Film/{{Fargo}} I'm not sure I agree with you a hunnerd percent on your logic there, Lou]]. It's a ''cave''; it's ''very'' well hidden, by simple virtue of the fact that it's, well, underground as part of a complex of hidden passageways, chasms and voids in the Earth. And if you think Bruce Wayne hasn't spent a lot of time, money and effort making the entrance(s) to what is in a very real and literal sense his secret lair ''very'' difficult to locate and access and ''very'' well protected, then [[ProperlyParanoid you don't know Bruce Wayne]].


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** Also, in order to do anything remotely like what's been suggested here Strange ''still needs some kind of proof that Bruce Wayne is Batman''. Even with Arkham City online, Strange can't just up and say "Hey everyone, Bruce Wayne is Batman!" and expect everyone to instantly kick into gear allowing him to storm his mansion with his troops and throw him into supervillain jail... because Bruce Wayne is richer than God and has spent his whole adult life convincing everyone else in Gotham that he's just A Rich Idiot With No Day Job. Strange can't, say, have his goons storm Wayne Manor and find the Batcave without some kind of proof that he knows Bruce Wayne is Batman, because everyone else thinks Bruce is just a dumb himbo and is going to be understandably wary about sending armed goons to the home of the richest guy in the city, i.e. the guy who as far as they're concerned could sue them all into oblivion just with the change in his pockets. The fact that Strange knows Wayne is Batman is useful for smug gloating and psychological torture points, but without actual proof there's not much else he can do.

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** Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Superman's "hesitancy to interfere in official government ideas" doesn't extend to ideas that revolve around walling off entire city boroughs, stuffing them full of prisoners, and machine-gunning the prisoners from the air.
** The problem is, that Arkham City is a human rights violation. Prisoners are executed en masse without trial and regardless of their sentence, not to mention the fact that they were locked up and (were Strange's plan to work) ''executed billionaire Bruce Wayne''. Imagine the outrage if Bill Gates was locked up and executed without a trial. You're 100% correct about everything you said regarding Metropolis and Keystone City. There would be no future for the Arkham City program and I took Strange ranting about it otherwise as a sign of him undergoing SanitySlippage.

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** Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Superman's "hesitancy to interfere in official government ideas" doesn't extend to ideas that revolve around walling off entire city boroughs, stuffing them full of prisoners, and machine-gunning the prisoners from the air.
air. His hesitancy generally stems from interfering in the democratic process and stifling free-will, not passively tolerating state-sanctioned genocide.
** The problem is, that Arkham City is a human rights violation. Prisoners are executed en masse without trial and regardless of their sentence, not to mention the fact that they were locked up and (were Strange's plan to work) ''executed billionaire Bruce Wayne''. Imagine the outrage if Bill Gates was locked up and executed without a trial. You're 100% correct about everything you said regarding Metropolis and Keystone City. There would be no future for the Arkham City program and I took Strange ranting about it otherwise as a sign of him undergoing SanitySlippage. SanitySlippage.
** As mentioned in another folder on this page, this one's a lot simpler than we're making out. Hugo Strange, among his many psychological issues and neuroses, is a narcissistic megalomanic. Of ''course'' he's going to have a distorted view of exactly how much people will love him for machine-gunning people from the air and will want to keep letting him do it; it's part of his delusions.

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** A bit of a Wild Mass Guess, but it's possible that Strange was ''planning'' to use Crime Alley and the Monarch Theater for some kind of final little bit of smug gloating after his final triumph over Batman -- for example, displaying his body along with the chalk outline of his parents to mock how Batman's quest has, after everything, ended in humiliating failure. This would also work because Strange presumably also knows about the Lazarus Pit and would particularly enjoy his first little immortality bath as the new boss of the League of Assassins knowing that Batman was just above acting as his trophy. He seems like the kind of nasty little prick who'd do something like that.

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** A bit of a Wild Mass Guess, but it's possible that Strange was ''planning'' to use Crime Alley and the Monarch Theater for some kind of final little bit of smug gloating after his final triumph over Batman -- for example, displaying his body along with the chalk outline of his parents to mock how Batman's quest has, after everything, ended in humiliating failure. This would also work because Strange presumably also knows about the Lazarus Pit and would particularly enjoy his first little immortality bath as the new boss of the League of Assassins knowing that Batman was just above acting as his trophy. He seems like the kind of nasty little prick who'd do something like that.that.
** Also -- Strange presumably knows about the Lazarus Pit under the theater as well. He's no doubt anticipating his triumphant first bath as the new boss of the League of Assassins, which will be made sweeter by the knowledge that he can rub it in over Batman by having it at the exact point where Batman's quest began, only to end in failure. He just doesn't anticipate being beaten and killed and the Joker deciding to take a dip there instead.
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** A bit of a Wild Mass Guess, but it's possible that Strange was ''planning'' to use Crime Alley and the Monarch Theater for some kind of final little bit of smug gloating after his final triumph over Batman -- for example, displaying his body along with the chalk outline of his parents to mock how Batman's quest has, after everything, ended in humiliating failure. This would also work because Strange presumably also knows about the Lazarus Pit and would particularly enjoy his first little immortality bath as the new boss of the League of Assassins knowing that Batman was just above acting as his trophy. He seems like the kind of nasty little prick who'd do something like that.
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** Also also... where is it ever said that Hugo Strange actually ''is'' a psychological genius? Hugo Strange ''thinks'' he's a psychological genius, and he certainly acts the part, but let's face it; a man with as many neuroses, manias and obsessions as he is clearly demonstrated to possess doesn't get to be unironically referred to as a psychological genius without some ''serious'' asterisks and qualifiers involved.
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*** Assuming the theory about a separate women's prison is true, Catwoman and Ivy are high-profile supervillains that Strange would take an interest in. It's possible he pulled strings to get them shipped into Arkham City so that he could wipe them out at one stroke, but was less interested in other female convicts (or just didn't have enough space to throw in all the inmates of Arkham, Blackgate ''and'' Hypothetical Ladies Prison).

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*** Assuming the theory about a separate women's prison is true, Catwoman and Ivy are high-profile supervillains that Strange would naturally take an interest in. It's possible he pulled strings to get them shipped into Arkham City so that he could wipe them out at one stroke, but was less interested in other female convicts (or just didn't have enough space to throw in all the inmates of Arkham, Blackgate ''and'' Hypothetical Ladies Prison).
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*** Assuming the theory about a separate women's prison is true, Catwoman and Ivy are high-profile supervillains that Strange would take an interest in. It's possible he pulled strings to get them shipped into Arkham City so that he could wipe them out at one stroke, but was less interested in other female convicts (or just didn't have enough space to throw in all the inmates of Arkham, Blackgate ''and'' Hypothetical Ladies Prison).
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** [[ComicallySerious "I brought him a]] [[ToTheBatNoun Bat-]]mobile."

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* Why did Strange's 'political prisoners' include the people who helped build the wall and tower? Near as I can tell, there was nothing special about them. It was just a wall and a fancy guardhouse, with seemingly nothing to implicate that it was all designed to kill off the inmates, so it can't even qualify as a RevealingCoverup, since there was nothing to cover up. Did we just need a KickTheDog moment for Strange, since the EnemyChatter and cutscenes (added to the [[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamAsylum the previous game's demonstration]] that [[CardboardPrison imprisonment]] nor therapy work on Gotham's criminals) do [[RootingForTheEmpire a bit too good a job]] of justifying Strange's KillEmAll solution otherwise?

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* Why did Strange's 'political prisoners' include the people who helped build the wall and tower? Near as I can tell, there was nothing special about them. It was just a wall and a fancy guardhouse, with seemingly nothing to implicate that it was all designed to kill off the inmates, so it can't even qualify as a RevealingCoverup, since there was nothing to cover up. Did we just need a KickTheDog moment for Strange, since the EnemyChatter and cutscenes (added to the [[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamAsylum the previous game's demonstration]] that [[CardboardPrison imprisonment]] nor therapy work on Gotham's criminals) do [[RootingForTheEmpire a bit too good a job]] of justifying Strange's KillEmAll solution otherwise?
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** The DC universe literally elected Lex Luthor as president. They're not exactly very smart when it comes to politics.


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** If the prisoners are somehow segregated, then how do you explain Catwoman and Ivy?


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** If you look at the pregnancy test, it says negative.


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** It's Joker. He thinks that making things more difficult for Batman is some type of joke.


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* So did the museum ''always'' have a huge fishtank in the middle of it, or did Penguin install that when the walls came up? Because either option is stupid, the former because it would be kinda difficult for guests to get across without a grappling hook (assuming that this is supposed to be a legitimate museum and not Oswald's vanity project), the latter because it would be extremely impractical to make an old building able to hold several thousand gallons of water without leaking.
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*** No, but wouldn't a global-stakes chess match between Luthor and Ra's make for a great story?
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** Strange says it himself: he believes that people will hail him as a hero when Protocol 10 is complete, and assumes that the world will ''ask'' him to carry on rounding up and eliminating criminals; it's ''Batman'' who is a delusional fool for not seeing the majestic beauty of Arkham City burning. While he doesn't say it, it seems consistent that he would believe either that Superman and Flash are more sane and righteous than Batman, and thus will appreciate and support him, or that they are mental deviants and therefore child's play for him to manipulate -- or else that his master can easily best them both (along with that immodest Amazon, the loathsome aquatic half-breed, and the rest of their ridiculous costumed cohorts).
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** Also... ''Arkham City '''is''' Gotham City''. "Arkham City" is, when you get down to it, just rebranding designed to conceal a sadistic death trap that a psychopath has carved out of an entire section of Gotham. Alfred is merely reminding Batman that he has a higher duty to Gotham City than his own personal wishes... and that, for all they are notorious criminals for the most part, for all Strange's efforts to dehumanise and debase them, the inhabitants of Arkham City are as much a part of Gotham City as anyone else.

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** Also... ''Arkham City '''is''' Gotham City''. "Arkham City" is, when you get down to it, just rebranding designed to conceal a sadistic death trap that a psychopath has carved out of an entire section of Gotham. Alfred is merely reminding Batman that he has a higher duty to Gotham City than his own personal wishes... and that, for all they are notorious criminals for the most part, for all Strange's efforts to dehumanise and debase them, them the inhabitants of Arkham City are still human beings who are as much a part of Gotham City as anyone else.

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** Hugo Strange is, without being too delicate, two plates short of a picnic. He either doesn't know or, more likely, doesn't care about being efficient. He's trying to prove he's more worthy than Batman of being Ra's successor, and batman doesn't kill criminals. Any amount of deaths would make him better, in his twisted views.

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** Hugo Strange is, without being too delicate, two plates short of a picnic. He either doesn't know or, more likely, doesn't care about being efficient. He's trying to prove he's more worthy than Batman of being Ra's successor, and batman Batman doesn't kill criminals. Any amount of deaths would make him better, in his twisted views. views.
** Ra's says he provided Strange with "limitless resources" but it seems that was primarily money. Also, Strange had to convince the Gotham Council everything was legal. These two points means Hugo couldn't buy napalm or anything that would've been more efficient.
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* It's one thing for a serial killer to appear in Gotham, where Batman already is. That's just Tuesday. It's another thing entirely for that same serial killer to crop up in a maximum security prison-city... where Batman ''also'' is, at the same time. You don't have to be Sherlock to draw the same conclusion as Barbara does

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