History Headscratchers / AlicesAdventuresInWonderland

*** Why do they always have to be a CompositeCharacter, okay their both queens and red but can't one adaption have them as separate characters? Especially as one is from a deck of cards and the other from a chess set. Now that's a type of adaption I want to see.
*** If they made the Red Queen a villain, I'd imagine her being a calm and collected woman who is an evilly affible, manipulative bitch who is tricking Alice into becoming queen so she can intercept the white army in some way and win the battle. And she wouldn't be interested in chopping heads off and isn't as violent as the Queen of Hearts. Now that's a type of adaption I want to see.

*** I actually have another theory—it's not the use of "One" as a pronoun, but it's a math joke combined with BlackComedy. Carroll was very fond of math, and had plenty of jokes in the Alice series (Alice getting her multiplication tables wrong in ''Wonderland'' is the actual answers in certain number systems that aren't base-10, for instance). Here, he's saying that one (as in the number) can't help growing older because any thing exists rather than nothing (as in growing from zero). But you don't need to have two things for something to exist. So that bit was a joke relating to math. As far as the "with proper assistance, you might have left off at seven", that's the straight-up BlackComedy bit, Humpty-Dumpty is suggesting that Alice should have been killed at seven. As for Humpty-Dumpty not mentioning Alice killing ''herself'' in an ICannotSelfTerminate way, I'd say that's a combination of the aforementioned "suicide=no heaven" thing (it was considered demon-work in Victorian times and would have been ''far'' too dark), and that wouldn't allow for the math joke.

*** I actually have another theory—it's not the use of "One" as a pronoun, but it's a math joke combined with BlackComedy. Carroll was very fond of math, and had plenty of jokes in the Alice series (Alice getting her multiplication tables wrong in ''Wonderland'' is the actual answers in certain number systems that aren't base-10, for instance). Here, he's saying that one (as in the number) can't help growing older because any thing exists rather than nothing (as in growing from zero). But you don't need to have two things for something to exist. So that bit was a joke relating to math. As far as the "with proper assistance, you might have left off at seven", that's the straight-up BlackComedy bit, Humpty-Dumpty is suggesting that Alice should have been died at seven since seven years and six months is "uncomfortable" for him. As for Humpty-Dumpty not mentioning Alice killing ''herself'' in an ICannotSelfTerminate way, I'd say that's a combination of the aforementioned "suicide=no heaven" thing (it was considered demon-work in Victorian times and would have been ''far'' too dark), and that wouldn't allow for the math joke.

* Why the (please excuse my language) fuck is everyone convinced that the book is an hallucination by an insane woman, or a drug trip? WHY? Because it's fantasy? But why this book in particular? Why not Harry Potter or the Chronicles of Narnia or the Wizard of Oz or Peter Pan or the Spiderwick Chronicles or the NeverEnding Story? Why can't anybody suspend disbelief and use their fucking imagination? No, everything needs to have a rational explanation, even Wonderland.

-->'''Rabbit:'''Now tell me, Pat, what's that in the window?\\

'''Pat:'' I'm not a goose, yer honour, I'm a gander.\\

** Its mostly because of how outright absurd it seems; from a generic person's view, [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings having Earth's prehistory as magical, with medieval european looking civilisations, with elves, orcs and dwarves and with a fallen dark lord that once disguised himself as a bishounen to fool the elves]] or [[HisDarkMaterials a multiverse with a god like particle of which angels are made and with armoured polar bears]] makes more sense, because as a whole things seem to follow a certain logic. Literature/AliceInWonderland is not by any means logic, in fact its the opposite of it, not even having a recognisable plot, and thats what leads people to think it was the result of drugs, which is quite sad because MindScrew is an awesome trope.

* Not necessarily about the book, but why don't we have a separate article for Through the Looking-Glass? It has the same number, if not more characters than the first book, is just as witty as it, and is quite possibly the first major ChessMotif in literature. (We have an article on TheHuntingOfTheSnark, why not this?)

** Many pages for films also include the sequels. TheHuntingOfTheSnark is not really linked as closely to AIW as TTLG.

** It is this troper's personal opinion that the two ''Alice'' stories are inseparable. You can't have one without the other. Besides, two separate articles would just [[ViewersAreMorons confuse people who are unfamiliar with ''Alice''.]]

** Personally, I think the [[Literature/{{Jabberwocky}} Jabberwock]] would make a better villain in an Alice re imagining. The Queen of Hearts is all talk, the Red Queen is evil but Alice doesn't really take her seriously, the Duchess is more of a bully than a villain, and in Carroll's other works the "antagonists" barely qualify as such; the Walrus and the Carpenter were just con artists and Literature/TheHuntingOfTheSnark had no antagonist. The Jabberwock seems like a much more serious villain than any of the others.

*** The Jabberwock has been the villian in at least TV adaptations.