History Headscratchers / AliceInWonderland

25th Nov '17 2:17:58 PM PrincessGwen
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* Does anyone else get the impression that this was Disney trying to make a [[Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia Narnia]] film with the SerialNumbersFiledOff after losing the rights? Because I gotta be honest; art direction aside, it doesn't really ''feel'' like a Tim Burton film, what with the fairly generic "epic fantasy" plot thrown in about a chosen one and a big epic battle at the end. Plus, the Dormouse has basically been made into a DistiffCounterpart for Reepicheep.

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* Does anyone else get the impression that this was Disney trying to make a [[Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia Narnia]] film with the SerialNumbersFiledOff after losing the rights? Because I gotta be honest; art direction aside, it doesn't really ''feel'' like a Tim Burton film, what with the fairly generic "epic fantasy" plot thrown in about a chosen one and a big epic battle at the end. Plus, the Dormouse has basically been made into a DistiffCounterpart DistaffCounterpart for Reepicheep.
25th Nov '17 2:16:26 PM PrincessGwen
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** Edgar Allen Poe once wrote stories on both.
** Technically, there's no real answer. It's just a mad, illogical question in a story full of them,

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** Edgar Allen Allan Poe once wrote stories on both.
** Technically, there's no real answer. It's just a mad, illogical question in a story full of them,them.



** "Why must you always be the wrong size?" Said wistfully, to boot. That alone does it for the shipp- ew. You just gave me a horrible, ''horrible'' AlternateCharacterInterpretation involving your description of the Hatter's relationship with Alice, GettingCrapPastTheRadar regarding Lewis Carrol's... infatuation, and the WifeHusbandry trope. ''Thanks, above troper''. But I digress. Their relationship to me mostly seemed like nostalgic friendship with occasional hints of a little-kid style crush on the part of the Hatter (when she was nineteen, at least, the brief flashback wasn't very informative), vague sympathy/sense of purpose on the part of Alice until later on when she decided it wasn't necessarily a dream, and fire-forged [[PlatonicLifePartners something]] (still with the sympathy) towards the end.

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** "Why must you always be the wrong size?" Said wistfully, to boot. That alone does it for the shipp- ew. You just gave me a horrible, ''horrible'' AlternateCharacterInterpretation involving your description of the Hatter's relationship with Alice, GettingCrapPastTheRadar regarding Lewis Carrol's...Carroll's... infatuation, and the WifeHusbandry trope. ''Thanks, above troper''. But I digress. Their relationship to me mostly seemed like nostalgic friendship with occasional hints of a little-kid style crush on the part of the Hatter (when she was nineteen, at least, the brief flashback wasn't very informative), vague sympathy/sense of purpose on the part of Alice until later on when she decided it wasn't necessarily a dream, and fire-forged [[PlatonicLifePartners something]] (still with the sympathy) towards the end.



** Thereís nothing wrong with wanting to turn Alice into a feminist role-model. The problem is from a feminist perspective her character arch is really weak...which stems from the fact itís a muddled character arch with Unfortunate Implications to begin with.

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** Thereís nothing wrong with wanting to turn Alice into a feminist role-model. The problem is from a feminist perspective her character arch arc is really weak...which stems from the fact itís a muddled character arch arc with Unfortunate Implications UnfortunateImplications to begin with.



** Why do ANYTHING on ANY day, seeing as how according to that paper we already know what's going to happen every day for the rest of eternity. Honestly, an item like that which completely and utterly removes any kind of intensity is.. a bad move. If YouCantFightFate, what is the point of even trying?

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** Why do ANYTHING on ANY day, seeing as how according to that paper we already know what's going to happen every day for the rest of eternity. eternity? Honestly, an item like that which completely and utterly removes any kind of intensity is.. a bad move. If YouCantFightFate, what is the point of even trying?



* Why would it take the death of the Jabberwocky for everyone to turn against the Red Queen. It obviously wasn't at the castle and it looks like it would take a bit of time for it to wake up or move anywhere. The Red Queen is surrounded by people that hate her and can easily find weapons, can they honestly say that no one was capable of poisoning her or killing her in her sleep?

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* Why would it take the death of the Jabberwocky for everyone to turn against the Red Queen. Queen? It obviously wasn't at the castle and it looks like it would take a bit of time for it to wake up or move anywhere. The Red Queen is surrounded by people that hate her and can easily find weapons, can they honestly say that no one was capable of poisoning her or killing her in her sleep?



* The fact that Tim Burton had admitted to never reading the books before he decided to make the movie, and then said he didn't like any other adaptations of the book. The reason he gave boiled down too, 'it's too nonsensical. there's no through-plot. alice is just an observer' (i can't find the exact quote) So basically, a man who never read the books and disliked the previous movies for being too nonsensical made a movie about it by imposing order on the chaos we all know and love. Why? He tried to 'improve' something that thousands and thousands of people love BECAUSE it's just nonsense!

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* The fact that Tim Burton had admitted to never reading the books before he decided to make the movie, and then said he didn't like any other adaptations of the book. The reason he gave boiled down too, 'it's too nonsensical. there's no through-plot. alice thorough-plot. Alice is just an observer' (i (I can't find the exact quote) So basically, a man who never read the books and disliked the previous movies for being too nonsensical made a movie about it by imposing order on the chaos we all know and love. Why? He tried to 'improve' something that thousands and thousands of people love BECAUSE it's just nonsense!



*** To add, I found the mad hatter's makeup very unnerving, they add a pop song at the end instead of Danny Elfman's music, the script writer wanted to make this a feminist film, and most of all, I'm getting tired of Burton redoing films instead of working on adaptations of things that haven't been filmed like his defunct Robert Ripley film or original stories like ''WesternAnimation/TheNightmareBeforeChristmas''. He feels the need to "improve" where it doesn't need to be in the first place. Though, I might be wrong in the future, and hope that one of my early inspirations gets back to doing original films in the future.

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*** To add, I found the mad hatter's Mad Hatter's makeup very unnerving, they add a pop song at the end instead of Danny Elfman's music, the script writer wanted to make this a feminist film, and most of all, I'm getting tired of Burton redoing films instead of working on adaptations of things that haven't been filmed like his defunct Robert Ripley film or original stories like ''WesternAnimation/TheNightmareBeforeChristmas''. He feels the need to "improve" where it doesn't need to be in the first place. Though, I might be wrong in the future, and hope that one of my early inspirations gets back to doing original films in the future.



** Considering that everyone is not worrying about the Jabberwock coming back to life after Alice killed him. It can be presume that if he is capable of regenerating/ressurecting, it will take a very long time(probably a couple of centuries or decades), or that it was originally killed but the someone somehow brought it back to life, or more likely that someone else try to kill him with the vorpal blade before, but hadn't manage to kill him yet.

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** Considering that everyone is not worrying about the Jabberwock coming back to life after Alice killed him. It him, it can be presume presumed that if he is capable of regenerating/ressurecting, regenerating/resurrecting, it will take a very long time(probably time (probably a couple of centuries or decades), or decades). Or that it was originally killed but the someone somehow brought it back to life, life; or more likely that someone else try tried to kill him with the vorpal blade before, but hadn't manage managed to kill him yet.



** One problem is that this movie is pretending to be an adaptation of the book, when it's ''not.'' Scenes from the book are staged by the characters in order to jog Alice's memory. I can't help but feel that a different title like ''Alice and the Wonderland War'' would go over a lot better, since all expectation of a faithful adaptation would be dispelled before the movie even started.

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** One problem is that this movie is pretending to be an adaptation of the book, when it's ''not.'' Scenes from the book are staged by the characters in order to jog Alice's memory. I can't help but feel that a different title like ''Alice and the Wonderland War'' would go over a lot better, since all expectation expectations of a faithful adaptation would be dispelled before the movie even started.
24th Jun '17 10:27:57 AM nombretomado
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** [[TheOtherWiki Citation Needed.]] Can you show the article that has Burton admitting to never reading the books? Otherwise, there is no backup to support your complaint.

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** [[TheOtherWiki [[Wiki/TheOtherWiki Citation Needed.]] Can you show the article that has Burton admitting to never reading the books? Otherwise, there is no backup to support your complaint.
27th Nov '16 3:03:48 PM nombretomado
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** They missed a rare opportunity to exploit the surreal and insane nature of the setting by having her defeat the Queen in a surreal and insane way. Oh, well, ''Film/VoyageOfTheDawnTreader'' established that filmwriters can't imagine a 'fantasy' movie that doesn't involve the heroes waving swords around.

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** They missed a rare opportunity to exploit the surreal and insane nature of the setting by having her defeat the Queen in a surreal and insane way. Oh, well, ''Film/VoyageOfTheDawnTreader'' ''Film/TheVoyageOfTheDawnTreader'' established that filmwriters can't imagine a 'fantasy' movie that doesn't involve the heroes waving swords around.
12th Nov '16 1:30:39 PM nombretomado
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* Granted, JohnnyDepp is the biggest star in the world. But why is he the only name mentioned in the commercials, and given top billing?

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* Granted, JohnnyDepp Creator/JohnnyDepp is the biggest star in the world. But why is he the only name mentioned in the commercials, and given top billing?
5th Jul '16 4:40:50 PM nombretomado
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*** Because it's not a very enjoyable film. The plot is a cliché on top of a cliché, it doesn't stay true to the spirit of the original (hell, the [[DarkerAndEdgier grimdark]] ''AmericanMcGeesAlice'' manages this better) and the visual style is remarkably unimpressive considering the subject matter. There's a handful of cool characters, but they have nothing of interest surrounding them, people or scenery, and that is a crime in a movie about the friggin' Wonderland.

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*** Because it's not a very enjoyable film. The plot is a cliché on top of a cliché, it doesn't stay true to the spirit of the original (hell, the [[DarkerAndEdgier grimdark]] ''AmericanMcGeesAlice'' ''VideoGame/AmericanMcGeesAlice'' manages this better) and the visual style is remarkably unimpressive considering the subject matter. There's a handful of cool characters, but they have nothing of interest surrounding them, people or scenery, and that is a crime in a movie about the friggin' Wonderland.
9th Jun '16 4:18:51 PM InsertCleverNameHere
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* Why did it take so long for Alice to be woken up by her sister? Surely her sister would've noticed she was sleeping no more than thirty seconds in.
19th Feb '16 9:26:22 PM Inertial_mass
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** Technically, there's no real answer. It's just a mad, illogical question in a story full of them,
7th Feb '16 3:36:59 PM Doug86
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* Does anyone else get the impression that this was Disney trying to make a [[TheChroniclesOfNarnia Narnia]] film with the SerialNumbersFiledOff after losing the rights? Because I gotta be honest; art direction aside, it doesn't really ''feel'' like a Tim Burton film, what with the fairly generic "epic fantasy" plot thrown in about a chosen one and a big epic battle at the end. Plus, the Dormouse has basically been made into a DistiffCounterpart for Reepicheep.

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* Does anyone else get the impression that this was Disney trying to make a [[TheChroniclesOfNarnia [[Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia Narnia]] film with the SerialNumbersFiledOff after losing the rights? Because I gotta be honest; art direction aside, it doesn't really ''feel'' like a Tim Burton film, what with the fairly generic "epic fantasy" plot thrown in about a chosen one and a big epic battle at the end. Plus, the Dormouse has basically been made into a DistiffCounterpart for Reepicheep.
17th Dec '15 5:30:25 AM Adept
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* Why does Tim Burton choose to ignore practically everything from the books? I swear, it seems a lot of Alice adaptations (apart from ones such as ''{{Pandora Hearts}}'') just skim through the first book and the watch the Disney film. I was expecting Burton to make a film that would turn around all the misconceptions people have about the characters. Instead, he enforced them. Why did he even bother making it?

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* Why does Tim Burton choose to ignore practically everything from the books? I swear, it seems a lot of Alice adaptations (apart from ones such as ''{{Pandora Hearts}}'') ''Manga/PandoraHearts'') just skim through the first book and the watch the Disney film. I was expecting Burton to make a film that would turn around all the misconceptions people have about the characters. Instead, he enforced them. Why did he even bother making it?
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