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** It could also be an act and said grasshopper is merely pretending to be a raving animal to help Hoppers with his intimidation of the ants.
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** The grasshoppers are basically the Mafia in this circumstance, offering "protection" to the ants in exchange for food.
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** Part of it is because of the lie and him getting circus performers instead of people who could actually ''help'' them against the grasshoppers, but once the lie was revealed the ants probably saw it as Flik having wasted valuable time that could have been spent on gathering food for the offering. Basically, "Thanks a lot, Flik, your screw-ups have put us way behind on something that would ''actually'' get the grasshoppers off our backs."
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** The only person who knows exactly what happened to the food is Flik. As far as Hopper knows, the ants might have just decided to keep all the food for themselves. In any case, Hopper isn't really bothered about the food, he's worried about the ants realising that they outnumber the grasshoppers and rebelling (he literally spells this out in his "grain" speech). His demand is a deliberate DisproportionateRetribution in order to keep the ants demoralised and under his control.
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** The only person who knows exactly what happened to the food is Flik. As far as Hopper knows, the ants might have just decided to keep all the food for themselves. In any case, Hopper isn't really bothered about the food, he's worried about the ants realising realizing that they outnumber the grasshoppers and rebelling (he literally spells this out in his "grain" speech). His demand is a deliberate DisproportionateRetribution in order to keep the ants demoralised demoralized and under his control. control.
*** It's even more than that. Hopper initially only asked for a new stockpile after what happened to the old one, but doubled up on it after Flik stood up to him, triggering his fear of the rest of the colony following suit and rebelling against him and his gang. And as we see in the colony scene where the ants are struggling with the do-over, Thorny notes that there's likely not enough food to meet the double quota. And given that this is summer time, it's highly unlikely any more food will have grown during that time. As such later, when they scramble to fill the order after aborting the bird plan and banishing Flik and the troupe, but only come up with a mediocre amount of food, he points out that while there is more food on the island, if they give up anymore than they've offered already, the colony will starve that winter. Hopper deliberately set a demand that he knew the ants couldn't meet, which gave him the perfect excuse to take over the island, force the colony to give up their winter storage of food, and then publicly assassinate their Queen in order to break them into to complete and utter submission to his gang.
*** It's even more than that. Hopper initially only asked for a new stockpile after what happened to the old one, but doubled up on it after Flik stood up to him, triggering his fear of the rest of the colony following suit and rebelling against him and his gang. And as we see in the colony scene where the ants are struggling with the do-over, Thorny notes that there's likely not enough food to meet the double quota. And given that this is summer time, it's highly unlikely any more food will have grown during that time. As such later, when they scramble to fill the order after aborting the bird plan and banishing Flik and the troupe, but only come up with a mediocre amount of food, he points out that while there is more food on the island, if they give up anymore than they've offered already, the colony will starve that winter. Hopper deliberately set a demand that he knew the ants couldn't meet, which gave him the perfect excuse to take over the island, force the colony to give up their winter storage of food, and then publicly assassinate their Queen in order to break them into to complete and utter submission to his gang.
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** Going along with the offering always being in that specific spot, it's possible that they've never had any issues with the setup before. The accident that caused the food to fall over the edge was caused by the stalk launcher of Flik's harvester going off, which probably has a lot more power behind it than any kind of accident the ants could have realistically caused.
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* Why is the Ant colony so mad at Flik? Ok, he lied to them all about the bird, but it was to compensate for a mistake of finding circus bugs instead of warriors (a mistake the circus bugs unwittingly played a part in too). Flik has good intentions, and wants to benefit his colony. There's a difference between lying to cover your own ass, and lying to keep people's hopes up in a situation where doubt is the enemyenemy.
** As far as they were concerned, he got their hopes up too high that the ants could overthrow the grasshoppers for good. To be fair, they never liked him in the first place and were more than happy to get rid of him (especially after he destroyed their food stockpile and unleashed Hopper's wrath on them), so this could have been a very easy excuse to get rid of him for good.
** As far as they were concerned, he got their hopes up too high that the ants could overthrow the grasshoppers for good. To be fair, they never liked him in the first place and were more than happy to get rid of him (especially after he destroyed their food stockpile and unleashed Hopper's wrath on them), so this could have been a very easy excuse to get rid of him for good.
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** The film may be seen as a sequel to Aesop's fable - specifically the variant where the ants help the grasshopper. Next year the grasshopper brought his family along... [[UngratefulBastard and things went downhill from there]] (although if that was the case, it would be an extremely FamilyUnfriendlyAesop).HardTruthAesop).
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** I think that the idea is that he's a grasshopper with some kind of mental illness that makes him exceptionally aggressive and animalistic.
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** Think of him like a grasshopper version of [[Film/TheGoonies Sloth]].
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* Why is there a weird, animalistic Grasshopper? I understand why they use him to help intimidate the Ants, but where did he come from? Why is he so animalistic compared to the other Grasshoppers?
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** Francis and the Blueberry Scouts are shown using playing poker with seeds, but seeds are pretty common and they might have not been real money since the kids are too young to own any.
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** You can always edit it yourself.
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** Make it easier to spot from the air maybe? It's clear they don't want the grasshoppers there any longer than they need to be there so they're going to want to take any measure they can to stop the grasshoppers hunting around for the offering. Plus the grasshoppers have almost certainly gotten ''used'' to seeing it there, so any deviation is not going to be met well.
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** The only person who knows exactly what happened to the food is Flik. As far as Hopper knows, the ants might have just decided to keep all the food for themselves. In any case, Hopper isn't really bothered about the food, he's worried about the ants realising that they outnumber the grasshoppers and rebelling (he literally spells this out in his "grain" speech). His demand is a deliberate DisproportionateRetribution in order to keep the ants demoralised and under his control.
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** They couldn't have gone that far in the time since they left, and Dot does know how to fly now. If she flew up high enough, it wouldn't be hard to spot an animal-cracker box being towed along by a pair of centipedes.
** They couldn't have gone that far in the time since they left, and Dot does know how to fly now. If she flew up high enough, it wouldn't be hard to spot an animal-cracker box being towed along by a pair of centipedes.
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*How can you tell the pillbug twins Tuck & Roll apart?
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** It's implied early in the film that the grasshoppers and the ants struck some sort of bargain with each other, with the ants gathering food for the grasshoppers and the grasshoppers keeping out any undesirable elements--likely other insects looking to take advantage of the ants as well, if what Hopper says is true. This would explain why Hopper seems slightly more cordial toward the Queen before he turns on her in the climax ([[PragmaticVillainy wouldn't be easy to conduct business negotiations with someone if you're threatening to murder them and all]]) as well as being an excellent method of harkening back to the film's roots in the classical Aesop's fable.
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*** A line early on in the film implies that the ants and the grasshoppers struck some sort of deal with each other, lending support to this idea.
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-->'''Hopper:''' Listen, if you can't keep up your end of the bargain, then I can't guarantee your safety and there are insects out there that will take advantage of you!
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