* ''VideoGame/DarkSouls'' is a modern heavy example of this trope. The manual will inform you just about the controls, dying and multiplayer mechanics. Ingame advice or directions are often not very clear or mentioned only once per playthrough. This is minimally averted by allowing people to witness activities of other online players.
** There are many places where the player gets ambushed and instantly killed if he progresses carelessly too far into an area. For example [[the Hellkite Dragon will make an ambush twice in the Undead Burg. The first time he swoops down onto a castle wall. The second time he covers a whole large bridge in flames.]]
** Two whole locations are only accessable if you discover an illusory wall in a room where also an item is located, giving it a wrong impression of being a dead end. The second location is also the home of a covenant as well as the stage of a last event of a side quest of two NPCs.
** Another location can only be traversed without immediate death while the [[spoiler: PC is wearing a ring which is obtained by defeating a boss from a location which was entirely optional until to that point and you receive no hint that the ring exists until you receive it]].
** Another location is only accessable if you possess an item which is  located [[spoiler: at the starting location which can only be revisitted if you step out of an elevator (which is an optional shortcut), jump from a ledge onto a wall, move up on the building and curl down into a ball in a nest and maintain that pose for about a minute]].

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** Similarly, ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaIISimonsQuest'' is filled with obstacles that are nigh-impossible to figure out just by playing the game itself. The in-game hints range from incomprehensible to outright lies, such as telling the player to hit a cliff with his head to make a hole, when the solution is to summon a tornado with a magic crystal. Or the man who tells you that the boatman "likes garlic", when you actually have to speak with him with Dracula's heart equipped (something you'll only gather from putting together two separate, highly cryptic pieces of info in {{Moon Logic|Puzzle}} fashion). \\
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In order to figure these sorts of things out, you have to find "clues to Dracula's riddle" in the form of books hidden in walls and floors; most of them in the mansions, however there are a few of them outside as well, and some even in the shops!. Apparently, this is how Konami decided to make the game NintendoHard, rather than via the [[GoddamnBats brutal]] [[DemonicSpiders enemies]] and [[MalevolentArchitecture environments]] of its surrounding titles. Subscribers of Nintendo Power at the time were given the distinct advantage of actually knowing how to progress through the game. WebVideo/TheAngryVideoGameNerd laments this in [[http://youtube.com/watch?v=V4we8iFk-fY his debut video]].

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