History FurryConfusion / DisneyAndPixar

17th May '18 3:23:12 AM Mareon
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** Creator/DonRosa chimed in on this in a recent edition of ComicBooks/TheLifeAndTimesOfScroogeMcDuck where he defense the removal of a early Duck-pun by saying that as far as he is concerned, the Duck characters are in fact human beings who are ”caricatured” as looking like ducks in the comics, much like his Theodore Roosevelt in the same issue is drawn with a dog nose and four fingers.

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** Creator/DonRosa chimed in on this in a recent edition of ComicBooks/TheLifeAndTimesOfScroogeMcDuck where he defense defended the removal of a early Duck-pun by saying that as far as he is concerned, the Duck characters are in fact human beings who are ”caricatured” as looking like ducks in the comics, much like his Theodore Roosevelt in the same issue is drawn with a dog nose and four fingers.
16th May '18 4:34:56 AM Mareon
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** Creator/DonRosa chimed in on this in a recent edition of Comics/TheLifeAndTimesOfScroogeMcDuck where he defense the removal of a early Duck-pun by saying that as far as he is concerned, the Duck characters are in fact human beings who are ”caricatured” as looking like ducks in the comics, much like his Theodore Roosevelt in the same issue is drawn with a dog nose and four fingers.

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** Creator/DonRosa chimed in on this in a recent edition of Comics/TheLifeAndTimesOfScroogeMcDuck ComicBooks/TheLifeAndTimesOfScroogeMcDuck where he defense the removal of a early Duck-pun by saying that as far as he is concerned, the Duck characters are in fact human beings who are ”caricatured” as looking like ducks in the comics, much like his Theodore Roosevelt in the same issue is drawn with a dog nose and four fingers.
30th Apr '18 10:39:43 AM Mareon
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** Creator/DonRosa chimed in on this in a recent edition of Comics/TheLifeAndTimesOfScroogeMcDuck where he defense the removal of a early Duck-pun by saying that as far as he is concerned, the Duck characters are in fact human beings who are ”caricatured” as looking like ducks, much like his Theodore Roosevelt in the same issue is drawn with a dog nose and four fingers.

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** Creator/DonRosa chimed in on this in a recent edition of Comics/TheLifeAndTimesOfScroogeMcDuck where he defense the removal of a early Duck-pun by saying that as far as he is concerned, the Duck characters are in fact human beings who are ”caricatured” as looking like ducks, ducks in the comics, much like his Theodore Roosevelt in the same issue is drawn with a dog nose and four fingers.
30th Apr '18 10:27:56 AM Mareon
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** Creator/DonRosa chimed in on this in a recent edition of Comics/TheLifeAndTimesOfScroogeMcDuck where he defense the removal of a early Duck-pun by saying that as far as he is concerned, the Duck characters are in fact human beings who are ”caricatured” as looking like ducks, much like his Theodore Roosevelt in the same issue is drawn with a dog nose and four fingers.
28th Apr '18 1:53:04 PM nanakiro
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** The ''WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse2013'' [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVKXj5nCM4I "Dog Show"]] finally [[LampshadeHanging hung a lampshade]] on it.

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** The ''WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse2013'' short [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVKXj5nCM4I "Dog Show"]] finally [[LampshadeHanging hung a lampshade]] on it.
28th Apr '18 1:52:42 PM nanakiro
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** A [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVKXj5nCM4I 2013 Disney short]] has finally [[LampshadeHanging hung a lampshade]] on it.

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** A The ''WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse2013'' [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVKXj5nCM4I 2013 Disney short]] has "Dog Show"]] finally [[LampshadeHanging hung a lampshade]] on it.
23rd Feb '18 1:15:26 AM BigJimbo
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** A 1930s cartoon, ''Mickey's Good Deed'', has Mickey playing Santa Claus to a family of poor cats -- smaller than him. Pete is apparently the absentee father, as there's a picture of him, in prison stripes, on the wall. You can tell they're poor as their empty cupboard is overrun with mice. Tiny, non-anthro mice!!! And why [[FridgeLogic the cats just don't eat them is never addressed]].

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** A 1930s cartoon, ''Mickey's Good Deed'', has Mickey playing Santa Claus to a family of poor cats -- smaller than him. Pete is apparently the absentee father, as there's a picture of him, in prison stripes, on the wall. You can tell they're poor as their empty cupboard is overrun with mice. Tiny, tiny, non-anthro mice!!! mice. And why [[FridgeLogic the cats just don't eat them is never addressed]].



* With all of this in mind, ''Disney/TheLionKing'' level in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' is just a carnival of Furry Confusion. Donald is temporarily a non-anthro bird who can ''fly'', Pete is a non-anthro cat (more specifically, a lion), while Goofy is, out of all animals, a [[TurtlePower tortoise]]. What makes it worse is the fact that Donald comments on Sora's transformation (into a lion) while avoiding any mention of Goofy's or his own. It should be mentioned that Donald's non-Anthro form is identified, in the ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'' literature as "Bird Donald". Try to read that without having a PsychicNosebleed.

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* With all of this in mind, ''Disney/TheLionKing'' level in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' is just a carnival of Furry Confusion. Donald is temporarily a non-anthro bird who can ''fly'', Pete is a non-anthro cat (more specifically, a lion), while Goofy is, out of all animals, a [[TurtlePower tortoise]]. What makes it worse is the fact that Donald comments on Sora's transformation (into a lion) while avoiding any mention of Goofy's or his own. It should be mentioned that Donald's non-Anthro form is identified, in the ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'' literature as "Bird Donald". Try to read that without having a PsychicNosebleed.



** In the episode inspired by ''Literature/TheOdyssey'', the Odysseus stand-in, his girlfriend, and most of the supporting cast are Dog-Noses. Circe, of course, turns several of them into non-anthro pigs. Later, Circe herself is turned into a pig as punishment. Here's the thing: Circe was depicted not as a dog-nose, but as an [[PigMan anthropomorphic]] ''[[PigMan pig]]''. Uh...huh?

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** In the episode inspired by ''Literature/TheOdyssey'', the Odysseus stand-in, his girlfriend, and most of the supporting cast are Dog-Noses. Circe, of course, turns several of them into non-anthro pigs. Later, Circe herself is turned into a pig as punishment. Here's the thing: Circe was depicted not as a dog-nose, but as an [[PigMan anthropomorphic]] ''[[PigMan pig]]''. Uh...huh?



* One episode of ''Franchise/WinnieThePooh'' had Piglet (a pig) eating ''ham'' at a picnic. No one seemed to notice the grotesque implied cannibalism there, even if Piglet is supposed to be a ''stuffed'' pig... Of course, that brings up the issue of how, exactly, LivingToys digest real food -- but that's probably a [[http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=192 different trope (warning: link includes gore).]]

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* One episode of ''Franchise/WinnieThePooh'' had Piglet (a pig) eating ''ham'' at a picnic. No one seemed to notice the grotesque implied cannibalism there, even if Piglet is supposed to be a ''stuffed'' pig... pig. Of course, that brings up the issue of how, exactly, how LivingToys digest real food -- but that's probably a [[http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=192 different trope (warning: link includes gore).]]



* ''Disney/{{Pinocchio}}'' evidently takes place in a universe with fully anthropomorphic cats, foxes, and crickets; ordinary cats and fish with human-like awareness; and fully non-anthropomorphic animals. The closest this comes to furry confusion (imagine if Figaro met Gideon!) is how Cleo doesn't seem to have a problem with the fact that all Geppetto and Figaro seem to eat is fish.

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* ''Disney/{{Pinocchio}}'' evidently takes place in a universe with fully anthropomorphic cats, foxes, and crickets; ordinary cats and fish with human-like awareness; and fully non-anthropomorphic animals. The closest this comes to furry confusion (imagine if Figaro met Gideon!) Gideon) is how Cleo doesn't seem to have a problem with the fact that all Geppetto and Figaro seem to eat is fish.



** There's even a story where he sees a contest for whoever can get a Parrot to say "Rio De Janeiro". He decides he's going to enter this contest. He then goes out and buys himself a Non-anthropomorphic parrot!

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** There's even a story where he sees a contest for whoever can get a Parrot to say "Rio De Janeiro". He decides he's going to enter this contest. He then goes out and buys himself a Non-anthropomorphic parrot!parrot.



** One episode of ''House of Mouse'' was actually about DonaldDuck attempting to fly like other Disney characters that somehow possess flight (Disney/{{Dumbo}}, [[Disney/{{Aladdin}} The Magic Carpet]], [[Disney/TheJungleBook Buzzy, Dizzy, Ziggy, and Flaps,]] and [[Disney/TheHunchbackofNotreDame Victor, Hugo, and Laverne]]), and when he gives up, he actually had to be helped by Disney/PeterPan of all characters! (that episode actually marked the first time we ever get to hear Peter Pan sing) His desire to fly seems to stem from the fact that internally he knows that, as a duck, he ''should'' be able to fly, and the reason he can't is because he ''doesn't have wings''. Donald temporarily dubs himself "Donald Donkey" since "Donkeys can't fly" (cue flying donkey)

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** One episode of ''House of Mouse'' was actually about DonaldDuck attempting to fly like other Disney characters that somehow possess flight (Disney/{{Dumbo}}, [[Disney/{{Aladdin}} The Magic Carpet]], [[Disney/TheJungleBook Buzzy, Dizzy, Ziggy, and Flaps,]] and [[Disney/TheHunchbackofNotreDame Victor, Hugo, and Laverne]]), and when he gives up, he actually had to be helped by Disney/PeterPan of all characters! characters (that episode actually marked the first time we ever get to hear Peter Pan sing) sing). His desire to fly seems to stem from the fact that internally he knows that, as a duck, he ''should'' be able to fly, and the reason he can't is because he ''doesn't have wings''. Donald temporarily dubs himself "Donald Donkey" since "Donkeys can't fly" (cue flying donkey)



*** In the sequel, there are tiny airplanes that act like birds, and one of the racers' crew chiefs is a VW Beetle! (in the first film, VW Beetles are all supposed to be the car equivalent of insects)
*** Back to the first ''Cars'' film, there is actually still a dinosaur on the logo for Dinoco, and one RV seen near the end of the film appears to be surrounded by plastic flamingos, while another has a {{jackalope}} tattoo on his rear end!

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*** In the sequel, there are tiny airplanes that act like birds, and one of the racers' crew chiefs is a VW Beetle! Beetle (in the first film, VW Beetles are all supposed to be the car equivalent of insects)
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*** Back to the first ''Cars'' film, there is actually still a dinosaur on the logo for Dinoco, and one RV seen near the end of the film appears to be surrounded by plastic flamingos, while another has a {{jackalope}} tattoo on his rear end!end.



* In ''{{Film/Dinosaur}}'', all the protagonist dinos are treated as sentient and we can understand their speech. Background dinos of the same species tend to use grunts and roars like animals would, but it's assumed they're just not feeling talkative at the moment. None of the carnivore dinos speak, [[PredatorsAreMean because carnivores are evil]], didn'tcha know? Where it gets ''really'' complicated is with Url, an ankylosaur who doesn't speak, pants like a dog, barks like a dog, carries a rock to be thrown and chased after like a stick, and is the pet of another dinosaur. So... are ankylosaurs just not sentient? Or is Url the equivalent of a mentally disabled person being kept as a pet?
** On the subject of dinosaurs, ''WesternAnimation/TheGoodDinosaur'' features talking non-avian dinosaurs, but also birds (including chickens with theropod hands) that are non-sentient and kept as pets or even livestock. Seeing as birds are considered modern day dinosaurs, it seems odd that the birds in the movie wouldn't be alongside their non-avian relatives as sentient lifeforms. Even weirder, a group of pterosaurs--which, contrary to popular belief, are NOT dinosaurs--are also shown to be sentient and capable of speech (and insane).

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* In ''{{Film/Dinosaur}}'', all the protagonist dinos are treated as sentient and we can understand their speech. Background dinos of the same species tend to use grunts and roars like animals would, but it's assumed they're just not feeling talkative at the moment. None of the carnivore dinos speak, [[PredatorsAreMean because carnivores are evil]], didn'tcha know? they're the villains]]. Where it gets ''really'' complicated is with Url, an ankylosaur who doesn't speak, pants like a dog, barks like a dog, carries a rock to be thrown and chased after like a stick, and is the pet of another dinosaur. So... are So either ankylosaurs just are not sentient? Or is sentient, or Url is the equivalent of a mentally disabled person being kept as a pet?
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** On the subject of dinosaurs, ''WesternAnimation/TheGoodDinosaur'' features talking non-avian dinosaurs, but also birds (including chickens with theropod hands) that are non-sentient and kept as pets or even livestock. Seeing as birds are considered modern day dinosaurs, it seems odd that the birds in the movie wouldn't be alongside their non-avian relatives as sentient lifeforms. Even weirder, a group of pterosaurs--which, contrary to popular belief, are NOT not dinosaurs--are also shown to be sentient and capable of speech (and insane).



* ''Disney/TheRescuers'' (and its' [[Disney/TheRescuersDownUnder sequel]]) and ''Disney/TheGreatMouseDetective'' are odd examples. There are talking anthropomorphic mice and other small animals in both films, but there are also some animals that are non-sentient. The former has the crocodiles Brutus and Nero, Evinrude the dragonfly, some bats and a zoo lion; and its' sequel has Marahute the eagle and Joanna the Goanna (a type of lizard). The latter has the loyal BigFriendlyDog Toby, Ratigan's RightHandCat Felicia, and some wagons drawn by horses. What's more, humans are also present in all three of these films!


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* ''Disney/TheRescuers'' (and its' [[Disney/TheRescuersDownUnder sequel]]) and ''Disney/TheGreatMouseDetective'' are odd examples. There are talking anthropomorphic mice and other small animals in both films, but there are also some animals that are non-sentient. The former has the crocodiles Brutus and Nero, Evinrude the dragonfly, some bats and a zoo lion; and its' sequel has Marahute the eagle and Joanna the Goanna (a type of lizard). The latter has the loyal BigFriendlyDog Toby, Ratigan's RightHandCat Felicia, and some wagons drawn by horses. What's more, humans are also present in all three of these films!

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28th Jan '18 8:03:25 PM nombretomado
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* In one episode of ''MickeyMouseClubhouse'', Donald is shown with normal ducks.
** To add insult to injury, he is flying an airplane rather than flying like a normal duck alongside the other ducks. The only time Donald is actually shown flying like a normal bird is in one later scene in Disney/TheThreeCaballeros, but he is flying like a hummingbird.
** Also, Ludwig Von Drake is shown flying using an inflatable jumpsuit rather than like a normal duck.
* In another ''MickeyMouseClubhouse'' episode, Donald is shown swimming like a dog or human as opposed to like a duck.

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* ''WesternAnimation/MickeyMouseClubhouse'':
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In one episode of ''MickeyMouseClubhouse'', episode, Donald is shown with normal ducks.
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ducks. To add insult to injury, he is flying an airplane rather than flying like a normal duck alongside the other ducks. The only time Donald is actually shown flying like a normal bird is in one later scene in Disney/TheThreeCaballeros, ''Disney/TheThreeCaballeros'', but he is flying like a hummingbird.
** Also, Ludwig Von Drake is shown flying using an inflatable jumpsuit rather than like a normal duck.
* ** In another ''MickeyMouseClubhouse'' episode, Donald is shown swimming like a dog or human as opposed to like a duck.
31st Dec '17 1:33:37 PM nombretomado
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* In a similar vein, HandyManny has his "team" of sentient, talking tools (who are just barely anthropomorphic, in that they resemble regular tools with eyes and mouths but no limbs — how they move or grab things is a mystery), yet their universe also includes regular, non-living tools. In the opening title sequence, two of the tools paint a sign using non-living paintbrushes.

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* In a similar vein, HandyManny WesternAnimation/HandyManny has his "team" of sentient, talking tools (who are just barely anthropomorphic, in that they resemble regular tools with eyes and mouths but no limbs — how they move or grab things is a mystery), yet their universe also includes regular, non-living tools. In the opening title sequence, two of the tools paint a sign using non-living paintbrushes.
7th Dec '17 10:41:50 AM 64SuperNintendo
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** ''[=DuckTales=]'' also introduced a new sidekick for Scrooge's nemesis Magica De Spell; her brother Poe who was the subject of a BalefulPolymorph. Specifically he was turned into a... bird. A different species of bird (he is a raven now), to be fair, but still... a bird. He can still talk, he still wears clothes (a hat at least), he still has functional FeatherFingers, and is for all intents and purposes the same character just a different species. Still, he views his fate as awful and wants to turn back into a duck. This despite the fact that he merely seems to have gotten a bit shorter [[CursedWithAwesome and can now]] ''[[CursedWithAwesome fly]]'' (heck, ask an ornithologist and they will make a good argument that duck-to-corvid is an upgrade). He's just ''barely'' less anthro than the other characters.

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** ''[=DuckTales=]'' also introduced a new sidekick for Scrooge's nemesis Magica De Spell; her brother Poe who was the subject of a BalefulPolymorph. Specifically he was turned into a... bird. A different species of bird (he is a raven now), to be fair, but still... a bird. He can still talk, he still wears clothes (a hat at least), he still has functional FeatherFingers, and is for all intents and purposes the same character character, just a different species. Still, he views his fate as awful and wants to turn back into a duck. This despite the fact that he merely seems to have gotten a bit shorter [[CursedWithAwesome and can now]] ''[[CursedWithAwesome fly]]'' (heck, ask an ornithologist and they will make a good argument that duck-to-corvid is an upgrade). He's just ''barely'' less anthro than the other characters.
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