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* Given the Elder's reaction, the idea that the Mariner refusing to have sex with a girl must mean that he's a Smoker spy and not, for example, gay or concerned about whether she actually does consent to having sex with a complete stranger ''really'' throws up some disturbing implications about the methods in which this small community has employed in order to survive.
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* Given the Elder's reaction, the idea that the Mariner refusing to have sex with a girl must mean that he's a Smoker spy and not, for example, gay or concerned about whether she actually does consent to having sex with a complete stranger ''really'' throws up some disturbing implications about the methods in which this small community has employed in order to survive.survive.
** Frightening, but not completely impossible. With very small populations and the excessive inbreeding risks, it is perfectly possible that even gay people learned that breeding is fundamental. It takes a complete separation of utilitarian sex and romance and/or pleasure, something that is mostly cultural issue.
** Frightening, but not completely impossible. With very small populations and the excessive inbreeding risks, it is perfectly possible that even gay people learned that breeding is fundamental. It takes a complete separation of utilitarian sex and romance and/or pleasure, something that is mostly cultural issue.
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** Just collect it in a bag of fine-weave fabric, hang it from the mast, and let it get rained on. It'll take many months if the weather isn't cooperating, but eventually the salt will get washed out of it.
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** Moreover, the eyes would contain different minerals from the flesh of the animal, and the fluid inside the eyeball is a source of water.
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** Wasn't it always the whole point of the entire story that humanity is on its way out one way or another, [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality but at least the main characters]] reached the dry land and can now live peaceful lives?
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** Wasn't it always the whole point of the entire story that humanity is on its way out one way or another, [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality but at least the main characters]] reached the dry land and can now live peaceful lives?lives?
* Given the Elder's reaction, the idea that the Mariner refusing to have sex with a girl must mean that he's a Smoker spy and not, for example, gay or concerned about whether she actually does consent to having sex with a complete stranger ''really'' throws up some disturbing implications about the methods in which this small community has employed in order to survive.
* Given the Elder's reaction, the idea that the Mariner refusing to have sex with a girl must mean that he's a Smoker spy and not, for example, gay or concerned about whether she actually does consent to having sex with a complete stranger ''really'' throws up some disturbing implications about the methods in which this small community has employed in order to survive.
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*** The joke is that it ''should'' just be that.
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** Signalmen, be they drummers/pipers of antiquity to the radiomen of modern day, have always been legitimate and highly sought out targets on the battlefield. They may be children, but they are also directing an outright slaughter of the people of the atoll - men, women, and children alike. Why should they be spared?
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**** "Cousin" may simply be a term of endearment, the Deacon saying that they are all family.
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**** It's alluded to, if not flat out referenced, when the leader of the atoll looks to the man with the thick glasses and says that looking to their own too much for impregnation is "undesirable".
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*** Not so much genetically-diverse, as the Big Bad is apparently cousins with most of the Smokers. They're already significantly inbred and a few more generations wouldn't help.
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*** People ''live'' in Nepal today. Why wouldn't they have clung to that land?
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* The Mariner has an apparent knack for fish eyes, which is mostly played for laughs. But numerous cast-aways that had to spend weeks or even months on sea and only could fish for food developed over time similar taste - fish eyes are the only part that have ''different taste'' and when everything you eat tastes the same, any variety is appreciated. Bonus point for being (relatively) sweet when compared to the rest of the meat.
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** Flush it with clean water. Sure, that's still a valuable commodity, but much more common than the dirt. Or just mix it with the compost they produce in quantity. Alternatively, they ''don't know'' nothing will grow on it.
*** There is no such thing as "good" inbreeding, at least not when it comes to more complex species, not to mention humans. One of the thing inbreeding hits hard are mental capabilities.
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*** Yes, ''simple'' species have come back from less than 10,000 individual members when closely monitored and maximum genetic drift is ensured by forcefully introducing mating pairs from different areas. Humans are much more complex, and have many more opportunities for something to get genetically wonky. Unless there are atolls with populations of thousands (which didn't seem to be evident), humanity is on the way to extinction. Downer endings galore.galore.
** Wasn't it always the whole point of the entire story that humanity is on its way out one way or another, [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality but at least the main characters]] reached the dry land and can now live peaceful lives?
** Wasn't it always the whole point of the entire story that humanity is on its way out one way or another, [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality but at least the main characters]] reached the dry land and can now live peaceful lives?
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** Presumably, they've found a way to purge the salt from the dirt. Helen even mentions that the dirt that was packed in Enola's baby basket was far richer and darker than the stuff the Mariner traded.
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* How is the dirt the Mariner digs up even useful? It has been sitting under salt water for who knows how long. This soil would have such high salt content, nothing edible could be grown from it.
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*** Yes, ''simple'' species have come back from less than 10,000 individual members when closely monitored and maximum genetic drift is ensured by forcefully introducing mating pairs from different areas. Humans are much more complex, and have many more opportunities for something to get genetically wonky. Unless there are atolls with populations of thousands (which didn't seem to be evident), humanity is on the way to extinction. Downer endings galore.
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** Species have survived and come back from far smaller populations than ten thousand.
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* Since we are already on the subject of genetics - it requires a population of about ten thousands to avoid problems with imbreeding. Another five to be extra sure. Not even Smokers had such numbers, so humanity is screwed anyway.
** Actually it is stated in the novel that the feral Smokers are the textbook example of HumansAreBastards such that ''even the small young children'' are amoral sociopaths.
** Actually it is stated in the novel that the feral Smokers are the textbook example of HumansAreBastards such that ''even the small young children'' are amoral sociopaths.
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** Actually it is stated in the novel that the feral Smokers are the textbook example of HumansAreBastards such that ''even the small young children'' are amoral sociopaths.
* Since we are already on the subject of genetics - it requires a population of about ten thousands to avoid problems withimbreeding.inbreeding. Another five to be extra sure. Not even Smokers had such numbers, so humanity is screwed anyway.
**Actually it is stated in Possibly if the novel that Mariner encounters others who pass muster as decent people, he can send some of them to join the feral Smokers are group on Everest. Maybe not enough for the textbook example of HumansAreBastards such that ''even population to thrive, but at least enough to get them through the small young children'' are amoral sociopaths.current bottleneck. After that, inbreeding may well be a ''good'' thing, if it brings out more gilled mutants who won't need Dry Land to survive.
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* This troper just watched the movie for the first time in a few years and realised an extra dimension to the mariner flipping out at the beginning when his limes get stolen - he needs them for the vitamin C
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* This troper just watched the movie for the first time in a few years and realised an extra dimension to the mariner flipping out at the beginning when his limes get stolen - he needs them for the vitamin CC.
* The Mariner's fascination when he sees the gull perched on the balloon's gunwales isn't just because it's a kind of animal he's never seen before. It's that it's the first living creature besides a person which he's ever seen that can ''stand on legs'', recalling Helena's earlier remarks that humans were built to run, not swim. Even if he hadn't spotted the mountaintop just afterwards, the seagull's basic anatomy confirms that dry land still exists.
* The Mariner's fascination when he sees the gull perched on the balloon's gunwales isn't just because it's a kind of animal he's never seen before. It's that it's the first living creature besides a person which he's ever seen that can ''stand on legs'', recalling Helena's earlier remarks that humans were built to run, not swim. Even if he hadn't spotted the mountaintop just afterwards, the seagull's basic anatomy confirms that dry land still exists.
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* Since we are already on the subject of genetics - it requires a population of about ten thousands to avoid problems with imbreeding. Another five to be extra sure. Not even Smokers had such numbers, so humanity is screwed anyway.
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* Since we are already on the subject of genetics - it requires a population of about ten thousands to avoid problems with imbreeding. Another five to be extra sure. Not even Smokers had such numbers, so humanity is screwed anyway.
** Actually it is stated in the novel that the feral Smokers are the textbook example of HumansAreBastards such that ''even the small young children'' are amoral sociopaths.
** Actually it is stated in the novel that the feral Smokers are the textbook example of HumansAreBastards such that ''even the small young children'' are amoral sociopaths.
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** Beach sand is mostly ground-up coral that was gnawed off reefs and pooped out by parrotfish and other coral-pickers. It just washed up there, same as it does on beaches today.
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** Some might be built on chunks of tufa, which floats in water.
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** He also blows up the BigBad's boat at the end for no particular reason, which is packed with dozens if not hundreds of men and women who simply want to find dry land, taking out what could well have been one of humanity's last hopes to establish a stable, genetically-diverse population.
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* Since we are already on the subject of genetics - it requires a population of about ten thousands to avoid problems with imbreeding. Another five to be extra sure. Not even Smokers had such numbers, so humanity is screwed anyway.
* Since we are already on the subject of genetics - it requires a population of about ten thousands to avoid problems with imbreeding. Another five to be extra sure. Not even Smokers had such numbers, so humanity is screwed anyway.
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** Forget that, how are there ''horses'' on Mt. Everest but no sign of human habitation save a few mud-and-stick huts and some long-dead corpses?
* How the heck could there have even been enough water in the first place to swamp almost the entire surface of the Earth? The idea that even Antarctic meltwater could cover, say, all of Colorado is preposterous.
* How the heck could there have even been enough water in the first place to swamp almost the entire surface of the Earth? The idea that even Antarctic meltwater could cover, say, all of Colorado is preposterous.
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*** Well, to be fair, if the oceans rose that much, the atmosphere would rise with them. And Nepal's latitude is similar to Florida's, so it's not that far-fetched that it would be tropical.
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** There were two dead bodies on the island. They could have tattooed the map on their daughter and sent her out to sea to bring others. Of course, there isn't much to go on in the movie for that theory but it makes sense.
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** There were two dead bodies on the island. They could have tattooed the map on their daughter and sent her out to sea to bring others. Of course, there isn't much to go on in the movie for that theory but it makes sense. sense.
*** The highest point of Dryland has a geological survey marker identifying it as Mount Everest. If they're sufficiently adept with LostTechnology to know how to use coordinates they're clever enough to know where Mount Everest is.
*** The highest point of Dryland has a geological survey marker identifying it as Mount Everest. If they're sufficiently adept with LostTechnology to know how to use coordinates they're clever enough to know where Mount Everest is.
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*** Well, to be fair, if the oceans rose that much, the atmosphere would rise with them. And Nepal's latitude is similar to Florida's, so it's not that far-fetched that it would be tropical.
*** Well, to be fair, if the oceans rose that much, the atmosphere would rise with them. And Nepal's latitude is similar to Florida's, so it's not that far-fetched that it would be tropical.
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** Here's another headscratcher: Assuming that these Atolls are all built using salvaged materials from the ocean floor, what's keeping it all afloat?
*** The shape? A rock, properly shaped, can float, despite it sinking, well, like a rock in normal circumstances.
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*** The shape? A rock, properly shaped, can float, despite it sinking, well, like a rock in normal circumstances.
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