History Fridge / TwelveMonkeys

1st Mar '15 9:38:42 AM Discar
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* When I finally watched ''Film/LaJetee'', I noticed that film includes a near replication of the scene with the tree trunk in ''Film/{{Vertigo}}'': Thus, the scene in ''Film/TwelveMonkeys'' where James Cole and Kathryn Railly are in a theater watching that same part of ''Vertigo'' is referencing both ''Vertigo'' itself and ''La Jetee''.
* When James tells Dr. Railly she's the woman in his dream, she tells him, quite logically, that she's ''become'' the woman in the dream now that he's fixated on her. He insists that it was always her, but he didn't have a name to call her before. This is all well and good until you realise - maybe she's right. Did James only started dreaming of her because he fixated on her, the same way the man who knocked him over became Jeffrey Goines? '''Or''', did she become the woman in the dream ''because'' he altered the course of time by kidnapping her, and prevent Goines from being the spreader of the virus through his own blind, Butterfly-Effect actions? '''Or''', was it both at the same time?
** Furthermore, did Kathryn only start to feel attracted to James because his presence was altering history so that she could be that woman? Does that explain why she whispers "I feel I've always known you" to him in the cinema?

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* When I finally watched ''Film/LaJetee'', I noticed that film ''Film/LaJetee'' includes a near replication of the scene with the tree trunk in ''Film/{{Vertigo}}'': Thus, the scene in ''Film/TwelveMonkeys'' where James Cole and Kathryn Railly are in a theater watching that same part of ''Vertigo'' is referencing both ''Vertigo'' itself and ''La Jetee''.
* When James tells Dr. Railly she's the woman in his dream, she tells him, quite logically, that she's ''become'' the woman in the dream now that he's fixated on her. He insists that it was always her, but he didn't have a name to call her before. This is all well and good until you realise - maybe she's right. Did James only started dreaming of her because he fixated on her, the same way the man who knocked him over became Jeffrey Goines? '''Or''', did she become the woman in the dream ''because'' he altered the course of time by kidnapping her, and prevent Goines from being the spreader of the virus through his own blind, Butterfly-Effect actions? '''Or''', was it both at the same time?
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time? Furthermore, did Kathryn only start to feel attracted to James because his presence was altering history so that she could be that woman? Does that explain why she whispers "I feel I've always known you" to him in the cinema?



* It's been 30 years, and the humans still have to suit up to leave home. That means the virus either spores like anthrax, or has some form of animal reservoir. Neither makes sense for a viral/biological weapon; you'd think the side making it wouldn't want it around ''too'' long.
10th Aug '14 8:54:22 AM Morgenthaler
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* When I finally watched ''LaJetee'', I noticed that film includes a near replication of the scene with the tree trunk in ''Film/{{Vertigo}}'': Thus, the scene in ''TwelveMonkeys'' where James Cole and Kathryn Railly are in a theater watching that same part of ''Vertigo'' is referencing both ''Vertigo'' itself and ''La Jetee''.

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* When I finally watched ''LaJetee'', ''Film/LaJetee'', I noticed that film includes a near replication of the scene with the tree trunk in ''Film/{{Vertigo}}'': Thus, the scene in ''TwelveMonkeys'' ''Film/TwelveMonkeys'' where James Cole and Kathryn Railly are in a theater watching that same part of ''Vertigo'' is referencing both ''Vertigo'' itself and ''La Jetee''.
17th Aug '13 8:45:38 AM SimBen
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* They repeat over and over through the movie that YouCantFightFate. Why, then, do the future scientists [[spoiler: send Jose back at the end to give Cole a gun to attempt to shoot crazy apocalypse guy? Specifically because ''they knew'' he'd fail. He fails, he's always failed, he will always fail. Cole had ripped his teeth out and could therefore no longer be controlled by the future, they were only ensuring the StableTimeLoop would occur while getting rid of a pesky loose end. Jones took a plane from that airport that day, she probably would have been aware of the shooting.]]
3rd Jun '13 10:33:03 PM Candi
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* It's been 30 years, and the humans still have to suit up to leave home. That means the virus either spores like anthrax, or has some form of animal reservoir. Neither makes sense for a viral/biological weapon; you'd think the side making it wouldn't want it around ''too'' long.
29th Mar '13 9:30:31 AM StFan
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* Before sending him back in time again, the scientist played by actor Simon Jones tells Cole that his idea of preserving the spider was a good one, and to try it again. Jones would know; as Arthur Dent, in the original radio series of ''TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy'', he and Ford Prefect pulled off a pretty similar trick with a fossilised towel...

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* Before sending him back in time again, the scientist played by actor Simon Jones tells Cole that his idea of preserving the spider was a good one, and to try it again. Jones would know; as Arthur Dent, in the original radio series of ''TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy'', ''Radio/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy'', he and Ford Prefect pulled off a pretty similar trick with a fossilised towel...
27th Mar '13 5:19:48 AM GentlemanMummy
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* Before sending him back in time again, the scientist played by actor Simon Jones tells Cole that his idea of preserving the spider was a good one, and to try it again. Jones would know; as Arthur Dent, in the original radio series of ''TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy'', he and Ford Prefect pulled off a pretty similar trick with a fossilised towel...
27th Mar '13 5:08:07 AM GentlemanMummy
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* At numerous times, James Cole seems to be familiar to lost homeless people, including the wheezy toothless man and the street preacher who interrupts his own recitation of ''The Revelation of John'' to cry "Why, you're one of us!" as James passes. This takes on an awful meaning when you recall that James ''wasn't the first'' to be sent back in time for information, and that he was singled out for his excellent memory. Who knows how many poor souls they tried before? How many of them wandered the streets of 1990s-era San Francisco, only able to communicate what was coming through an alcoholic haze and ineffectual Bible recitations?
27th Mar '13 5:03:13 AM GentlemanMummy
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* When James tells Dr. Railly she's the woman in his dream, she tells him, quite logically, that she's ''become'' the woman in the dream now that he's fixated on her. He insists that it was always her, but he didn't have a name to call her before. This is all well and good until you realise - maybe she's right. Did James only started dreaming of her because he fixated on her, the same way the man who knocked him over became Jeffrey Goines? '''Or''', did she become the woman in the dream ''because'' he altered the course of time by kidnapping her, and prevent Goines from being the spreader of the virus through his own blind, Butterfly-Effect actions? '''Or''', was it both at the same time?
** Furthermore, did Kathryn only start to feel attracted to James because his presence was altering history so that she could be that woman? Does that explain why she whispers "I feel I've always known you" to him in the cinema?
15th Jan '13 8:19:47 PM nombretomado
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* When I finally watched ''LaJetee'', I noticed that film includes a near replication of the scene with the tree trunk in ''{{Vertigo}}'': Thus, the scene in ''TwelveMonkeys'' where James Cole and Kathryn Railly are in a theater watching that same part of ''Vertigo'' is referencing both ''Vertigo'' itself and ''La Jetee''.

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* When I finally watched ''LaJetee'', I noticed that film includes a near replication of the scene with the tree trunk in ''{{Vertigo}}'': ''Film/{{Vertigo}}'': Thus, the scene in ''TwelveMonkeys'' where James Cole and Kathryn Railly are in a theater watching that same part of ''Vertigo'' is referencing both ''Vertigo'' itself and ''La Jetee''.
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