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** [[@/RedWren Back.]] In "When You Believe", the phrase, ''"We were moving mountains long before we knew we could"'' is sung. What were the Hebrews doing at the beginning of the movie? Building the pyramids.
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** [[@/RedWren Back.]] In "When You Believe", the phrase, ''"We were moving mountains long before we knew we could"'' is sung. What were the Hebrews doing at the beginning of the movie? Building the pyramids.
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* ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt'': The VillainSong by the two priests (''Playing with the big boys now...'') didn't seem that amazing to me, it was more calling on their gods and doing some sleight of hand than anything particularly impressive happening. It might have just been that it was hard to make [[EvilIsCool coolness]] contrast, given [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome the soundtrack]]. Then I realized: This is a [[Literature/TheBible Bible]] story. These are priests calling on their gods in the face of a prophet. ''Of course'' it feels fake. --Tropers/RedWren
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* ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt'': The VillainSong by the two priests (''Playing with the big boys now...'') didn't seem that amazing to me, it was more calling on their gods and doing some sleight of hand than anything particularly impressive happening. It might have just been that it was hard to make [[EvilIsCool coolness]] contrast, given [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome the soundtrack]]. Then I realized: This is a [[Literature/TheBible Bible]] story. These are priests calling on their gods in the face of a prophet. ''Of course'' it feels fake. --Tropers/RedWren
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* FridgeHorror / HarsherInHindsight: The movie ends with Moses walking down Mount Sinai with the Ten Commandments in his hands. Anyone who's familiar with the story of Moses (or just watched ''TheTenCommandments'') will know that, by this time, the Israelites have been worshiping the Golden Calf...
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* FridgeHorror / HarsherInHindsight: The movie ends with Moses walking down Mount Sinai with the Ten Commandments in his hands. Anyone who's familiar with the story of Moses (or just watched ''TheTenCommandments'') ''Film/TheTenCommandments'') will know that, by this time, the Israelites have been worshiping the Golden Calf...
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*** BullyHunter or not, it was a DisproportionateRetribution, pure and simple. Even the Egyptian Gods would've just smiten the man rather than punish his entire civilisation.
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*** BullyHunter or not, it was a DisproportionateRetribution, pure and simple. Even the Egyptian Gods would've just smiten smote the man rather than punish his entire civilisation.
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** I'd say rather because he valued strength far too much. He had neither the wisdom nor the confidence in himself to realize the strength that lies in gentleness and mercy.
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* Fridge Horror: In the beginning of "All I Ever Wanted" Moses accidentally knocks over an old Hebrew man on the streets as he's running away from his sister. The man cringes in fear, as though he's expecting to be beaten.
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* ''ThePrinceOfEgypt'': The VillainSong by the two priests (''Playing with the big boys now...'') didn't seem that amazing to me, it was more calling on their gods and doing some sleight of hand than anything particularly impressive happening. It might have just been that it was hard to make [[EvilIsCool coolness]] contrast, given [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome the soundtrack]]. Then I realized: This is a [[Literature/TheBible Bible]] story. These are priests calling on their gods in the face of a prophet. ''Of course'' it feels fake. --Tropers/RedWren
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* ''ThePrinceOfEgypt'': ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt'': The VillainSong by the two priests (''Playing with the big boys now...'') didn't seem that amazing to me, it was more calling on their gods and doing some sleight of hand than anything particularly impressive happening. It might have just been that it was hard to make [[EvilIsCool coolness]] contrast, given [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome the soundtrack]]. Then I realized: This is a [[Literature/TheBible Bible]] story. These are priests calling on their gods in the face of a prophet. ''Of course'' it feels fake. --Tropers/RedWren
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* Fridge Brilliance: Rameses is against anything that will make him look like "the weak link in the chain" because he wants to [[WellDoneSonGuy live up to his father's hopes]], but his inability to bend and change was his downfall. In short, the kingdom fell, not because he was weak, but because he was strong.
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*** Not to mention that even in the original story, it's a deliberate mirroring of the crimes of the Egyptians regarding the Hebrew firstborn.
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**** Funny you should say that. Just going by the Biblical account, the Israelites were enslaved for multiple generations even if you don't count any time before Moses was born (Moses left Egypt at age 40, returned at age 80 in the Bible). I'd say Egypt was asking for trouble at that point.
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Yes it is. We\'ve outgrown the \"eye for an eye\" bullshit, you know. I\'m deleting this out of respect for humanity\'s sanity.
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*** IS it {{disproportionate retribution}}? The Egyptians were doing something very close to the Jews, its why Moses was sent away in the first place or did you just conveniently forget the event that sets Moses' life into motion?
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*** IS it {{disproportionate retribution}}? The Egyptians were doing the SAME thing to Jews, its why Moses was sent away in the first place or did you just conveniently forget the event that sets everything into motion?
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*** IS it {{disproportionate retribution}}? The Egyptians were doing something very close to the SAME thing to Jews, its why Moses was sent away in the first place or did you just conveniently forget the event that sets everything Moses' life into motion?
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*** IS it {{disproportionate retribution}}? The Egyptians were doing the SAME thing to Jews, its why Moses was sent away in the first place or did you just conveniently forget the event that sets everything into motion?
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*** BullyHunter or not, it was a DisproportionateRetribution, pure and simple. Even the Egyptian Gods would've just smiten the man rather than punish his entire civilisation.
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* FridgeHorror- That sequence of young Miriam watching her brother endure all that crap in the Nile, looking terrified as hell? At first glance, we may be used to it, because we've seen terrified characters before...but think about it. This is a terrified ''young girl'' who is watching helplessly as her infant brother narrowly miss getting nommed by cros and hippos, being knocked around by oars, then raised up onto a net before dropping back into the Nile.
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* FridgeHorror- That sequence of young Miriam watching her brother endure all that crap in the Nile, looking terrified as hell? At first glance, we may be used to it, because we've seen terrified characters before...but think about it. This is a terrified ''young girl'' who is watching helplessly as her infant brother narrowly miss getting nommed by cros crocs and hippos, being knocked around by oars, then raised up onto a net before dropping back into the Nile.
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** The dying gasps. It's a bit of a FreezeFrameBonus, but when the Angel of Death passes, it sucks their soul out. The dying gasp refers to the Hebrew concept of the soul leaving with the breath. And it also provides a bit of a PetTheDog moment for the Angel of Death, as the way it's killing the children is both gentle and painless.
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** The dying gasps. It's a bit of a FreezeFrameBonus, but when the Angel of Death passes, it sucks their soul out. The dying gasp refers to the Hebrew concept of the soul leaving with the breath. And it also provides a bit of a PetTheDog moment for the Angel of Death, as the way it's killing the children is both gentle and painless.painless.
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** Or if you want to put it another way... remember that, just before this final plague, Rameses declared that Egypt will experience a great cry regarding first-borns. You might want to say that '''''[[TemptingFate he was practically asking for it]]''''' and God, [[GoodIsNotNice who always deals with arrogant human rulers by smashing their hubris the most painful way possible]], was just giving Rameses his own medicine. It was not nice, of course, but God's just simply a BullyHunter in the situation.
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** Or if you want to put it another way... remember that, just before this final plague, Rameses declared that Egypt will experience a great cry regarding first-borns. You might want to say that '''''[[TemptingFate he was practically asking for it]]''''' and God, [[GoodIsNotNice who always deals with arrogant human rulers by smashing their hubris the most painful way possible]], was just giving Rameses his own medicine. It was not nice, of course, but God's just simply a BullyHunter in the situation.situation.
** The dying gasps. It's a bit of a FreezeFrameBonus, but when the Angel of Death passes, it sucks their soul out. The dying gasp refers to the Hebrew concept of the soul leaving with the breath. And it also provides a bit of a PetTheDog moment for the Angel of Death, as the way it's killing the children is both gentle and painless.
** The dying gasps. It's a bit of a FreezeFrameBonus, but when the Angel of Death passes, it sucks their soul out. The dying gasp refers to the Hebrew concept of the soul leaving with the breath. And it also provides a bit of a PetTheDog moment for the Angel of Death, as the way it's killing the children is both gentle and painless.
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* ''ThePrinceOfEgypt'': The VillainSong by the two priests (''Playing with the big boys now...'') didn't seem that amazing to me, it was more calling on their gods and doing some sleight of hand than anything particularly impressive happening. It might have just been that it was hard to make [[EvilIsCool coolness]] contrast, given [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome the soundtrack]]. Then I realized: This is a [[TheBible Bible]] story. These are priests calling on their gods in the face of a prophet. ''Of course'' it feels fake. --Tropers/RedWren
** The blinding light in the "Playing With the Big Boys" sequence was the magicians way of switching their staffs with snakes.
** The blinding light in the "Playing With the Big Boys" sequence was the magicians way of switching their staffs with snakes.
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* ''ThePrinceOfEgypt'': The VillainSong by the two priests (''Playing with the big boys now...'') didn't seem that amazing to me, it was more calling on their gods and doing some sleight of hand than anything particularly impressive happening. It might have just been that it was hard to make [[EvilIsCool coolness]] contrast, given [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome the soundtrack]]. Then I realized: This is a [[TheBible [[Literature/TheBible Bible]] story. These are priests calling on their gods in the face of a prophet. ''Of course'' it feels fake. --Tropers/RedWren
** The blinding light in the "Playing With the Big Boys" sequence was the magicians way of switching their staffs with snakes.
** The blinding light in the "Playing With the Big Boys" sequence was the magicians way of switching their staffs with snakes.
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* FridgeHorror: The scene with the Angel of Death. ''All'' of the Egyptian first-born children [[WouldHurtAChild get killed off]] ([[NothingIsScarier and all we hear of it are their dying gasps]]). In other words, ''[[MoralEventHorizon God commits genocide]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist to free his people from being enslaved by the Egyptians]]''. No wonder Moses breaks down sobbing after he sees [[spoiler: his nephew's]] dead body- ''anyone'' who wasn't [[TheFundamentalist an insane fundamentalist]] would.
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* FridgeHorror: The scene with the Angel of Death. ''All'' of the Egyptian first-born children [[WouldHurtAChild get killed off]] ([[NothingIsScarier and all we hear of it are their dying gasps]]). In other words, ''[[MoralEventHorizon God commits genocide]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist to free his people from being enslaved by the Egyptians]]''. No wonder Moses breaks down sobbing after he sees [[spoiler: his nephew's]] dead body- ''anyone'' who wasn't [[TheFundamentalist an insane fundamentalist]] would.would.
** Or if you want to put it another way... remember that, just before this final plague, Rameses declared that Egypt will experience a great cry regarding first-borns. You might want to say that '''''[[TemptingFate he was practically asking for it]]''''' and God, [[GoodIsNotNice who always deals with arrogant human rulers by smashing their hubris the most painful way possible]], was just giving Rameses his own medicine. It was not nice, of course, but God's just simply a BullyHunter in the situation.
** Or if you want to put it another way... remember that, just before this final plague, Rameses declared that Egypt will experience a great cry regarding first-borns. You might want to say that '''''[[TemptingFate he was practically asking for it]]''''' and God, [[GoodIsNotNice who always deals with arrogant human rulers by smashing their hubris the most painful way possible]], was just giving Rameses his own medicine. It was not nice, of course, but God's just simply a BullyHunter in the situation.
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* FridgeHorror- That sequence of young Miriam watching her brother endure all that crap in the Nile, looking terrified as hell? At first glance, we may be used to it, because we've seen terrified characters before...but think about it. This is a terrified ''young girl'' who is watching helplessly as her infant brother narrowly miss getting nommed by cros and hippos, being knocked around by oars, then raised up onto a net before dropping back into the Nile.
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* FridgeHorror- That sequence of young Miriam watching her brother endure all that crap in the Nile, looking terrified as hell? At first glance, we may be used to it, because we've seen terrified characters before...but think about it. This is a terrified ''young girl'' who is watching helplessly as her infant brother narrowly miss getting nommed by cros and hippos, being knocked around by oars, then raised up onto a net before dropping back into the Nile.Nile.
* FridgeHorror: The scene with the Angel of Death. ''All'' of the Egyptian first-born children [[WouldHurtAChild get killed off]] ([[NothingIsScarier and all we hear of it are their dying gasps]]). In other words, ''[[MoralEventHorizon God commits genocide]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist to free his people from being enslaved by the Egyptians]]''. No wonder Moses breaks down sobbing after he sees [[spoiler: his nephew's]] dead body- ''anyone'' who wasn't [[TheFundamentalist an insane fundamentalist]] would.
* FridgeHorror: The scene with the Angel of Death. ''All'' of the Egyptian first-born children [[WouldHurtAChild get killed off]] ([[NothingIsScarier and all we hear of it are their dying gasps]]). In other words, ''[[MoralEventHorizon God commits genocide]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist to free his people from being enslaved by the Egyptians]]''. No wonder Moses breaks down sobbing after he sees [[spoiler: his nephew's]] dead body- ''anyone'' who wasn't [[TheFundamentalist an insane fundamentalist]] would.
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*** A lot of what came ''after'' that sequence (yes, it was probably the second time after all the blasphemous revelry and outright revolt had been put down with extreme prejudice) would have been rather depressing to portray as well. Things did end well for Israel on the whole, but only after all the first generation's constant complainers died out, leaving their children to claim their promised inheritance. Getting to that EsotericHappyEnding would have required at least another feature-length movie, so one can hardly blame the writers for having pared things down to just that one last snapshot from the long journey ahead of them before rolling the credits.
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*** By "chastised" you mean slaughtered. If they are sticking as much as possible to the original story, the cutoff ending has some UnfortunateImplications....
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*** By "chastised" you mean slaughtered. If they are sticking as much as possible to the original story, the cutoff ending has some UnfortunateImplications....UnfortunateImplications....
* FridgeHorror- That sequence of young Miriam watching her brother endure all that crap in the Nile, looking terrified as hell? At first glance, we may be used to it, because we've seen terrified characters before...but think about it. This is a terrified ''young girl'' who is watching helplessly as her infant brother narrowly miss getting nommed by cros and hippos, being knocked around by oars, then raised up onto a net before dropping back into the Nile.
* FridgeHorror- That sequence of young Miriam watching her brother endure all that crap in the Nile, looking terrified as hell? At first glance, we may be used to it, because we've seen terrified characters before...but think about it. This is a terrified ''young girl'' who is watching helplessly as her infant brother narrowly miss getting nommed by cros and hippos, being knocked around by oars, then raised up onto a net before dropping back into the Nile.
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myth suggests being false
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*** By "chastised" you mean slaughtered. If they are sticking as much as possible to the original myth, the cutoff ending has some UnfortunateImplications....
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*** By "chastised" you mean slaughtered. If they are sticking as much as possible to the original myth, story, the cutoff ending has some UnfortunateImplications....
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*** I'm not sure those were pyramids. I did see plenty of building construction, but no pyramids under construction. The Bible itself says they built, or refurbished (blame the Egyptian leaders for credit claiming) two cities.
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** Or it could be the second time he came down, after the Israelites had been chastised for what they had done and held a greater reverence for God.
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** Or it could be the second time he came down, after the Israelites had been chastised for what they had done and held a greater reverence for God.God.
***By "chastised" you mean slaughtered. If they are sticking as much as possible to the original myth, the cutoff ending has some UnfortunateImplications....
***By "chastised" you mean slaughtered. If they are sticking as much as possible to the original myth, the cutoff ending has some UnfortunateImplications....
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** Or it could be the second time he came down, after the Israelites had been chastised for what they had done and held a greater reverence for God.
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* FridgeHorror / HarsherInHindsight: The movie ends with Moses walking down Mount Sinai with the Ten Commandments in his hands. Anyone who's familiar with the story of Moses (or just watched ''TheTenCommandments'') will know that, by this time, the Israelites have been worshiping the Golden Calf...
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shoehorning.
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** What was pointed out (by the NostalgiaCritic), is that the blinding light in the "Playing With the Big Boys" sequence was the magicians way of switching their staffs with snakes.
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** What was pointed out (by the NostalgiaCritic), is that the blinding light in the "Playing With the Big Boys" sequence was the magicians way of switching their staffs with snakes.
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* ''ThePrinceOfEgypt'': The VillainSong by the two priests (''Playing with the big boys now...'') didn't seem that amazing to me, it was more calling on their gods and doing some sleight of hand than anything particularly impressive happening. It might have just been that it was hard to make [[EvilIsCool coolness]] contrast, given [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome the soundtrack]]. Then I realized: This is a [[TheBible Bible]] story. These are priests calling on their gods in the face of a prophet. ''Of course'' is feels fake. --Tropers/RedWren
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* ''ThePrinceOfEgypt'': The VillainSong by the two priests (''Playing with the big boys now...'') didn't seem that amazing to me, it was more calling on their gods and doing some sleight of hand than anything particularly impressive happening. It might have just been that it was hard to make [[EvilIsCool coolness]] contrast, given [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome the soundtrack]]. Then I realized: This is a [[TheBible Bible]] story. These are priests calling on their gods in the face of a prophet. ''Of course'' is it feels fake. --Tropers/RedWren
