History Fridge / TheHunchbackOfNotreDame

17th Nov '16 1:08:55 PM rufusluciusivan
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** Don't worry, he's fine. At the very end of the movie when Phoebus and Esmeralda emerge from the church, you can see him standing in the large crowd. He most likely retired or passed away peacefully (guy was at least in his late 70s during the film's events) between movies. I actually don't know if Archdeacons are allowed to retire, but he's definitely alive and well by the end.

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** Don't worry, he's fine. At the very end of the movie when Phoebus and Esmeralda emerge from the church, you can see him standing in the large crowd. It's a FreezeFrameBonus, but he's there. He most likely retired or passed away peacefully (guy was at least in his late 70s during the film's events) between movies. I actually don't know if Archdeacons are allowed to retire, but he's definitely alive and well by the end.
17th Nov '16 12:55:56 PM rufusluciusivan
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* Evil man or not, Frollo's title of "Minister of Justice" as well as the fact that he had guards and some authority over Paris meant that he was a high-ranking official of the King of France. King who was probably elsewhere, fighting the war that Phoebus came back from at the beginning of the movie. Now, imagine how the King will react when he will learn that the population of the city rebelled against one of his officials. Odds are that, since he doesn't know the full extent of what happened, the King will think that the town rebelled against his authority (something which happened several times with towns that had walls in the Middle Ages). Let's hope Phoebus can explain everything. If not, the citizens of Paris will have a ''nasty'' surprise when the royal armies will show up to crush the supposed rebellion.
13th Nov '16 11:01:23 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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** The [[OminousLatinChanting Ominous Latin Chanting]] during Hellfire is from the Confiteor, which is [[BilingualBonus the Catholic confessional prayer]]. The lines sung by the priests at the beginning address God, Mary, the saints, and so forth. The counterpoint lines building to the main motif confess that one has sinned in thought, word, and deed. At this point, Frollo has sinned in though, which he does admit, and is presently sinning in word. The "Mea Culpa" is where [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope the song goes completely opposite from the prayer instead of diverging as it had been]]. Frollo blames Esmeralda for his past sins instead of his humanity, denies that he has actually sinned, blames God for making it that sin could taint him, declares that his lust is not sinful, and demands that, instead of admitting that he is impure, that Esmeralda should be punished, be it damnation or him having his way with her without penalty on his soul. When you add the fact that Frollo is "praying" to Mary directly, he is not only spitting in God's face, but he's essentially saying to Mary "Everything your son taught is bull, so the rules don't apply to me."

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** The [[OminousLatinChanting Ominous Latin Chanting]] during Hellfire is from the Confiteor, which is [[BilingualBonus the Catholic confessional prayer]]. The lines sung by the priests at the beginning address God, Mary, the saints, and so forth. The counterpoint lines building to the main motif confess that one has sinned in thought, word, and deed. At this point, Frollo has sinned in though, thought, which he does admit, and is presently sinning in word. The "Mea Culpa" is where [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope the song goes completely opposite from the prayer instead of diverging as it had been]]. Frollo blames Esmeralda for his past sins instead of his humanity, denies that he has actually sinned, blames God for making it that sin could taint him, declares that his lust is not sinful, and demands that, instead of admitting that he is impure, that Esmeralda should be punished, be it damnation or him having his way with her without penalty on his soul. When you add the fact that Frollo is "praying" to Mary directly, he is not only spitting in God's face, but he's essentially saying to Mary "Everything your son taught is bull, so the rules don't apply to me."
28th Oct '16 6:48:38 PM nabu-san
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* If we buy the claim that the cathedral of Notre Dame is [[GeniusLoci genuinely sentient]], it's telling to look at both occasions where the building itself comes to live. First all the statues of Notre Dame's facade menacingly stare at Frollo when the judge is ready to throw a baby Quasimodo into a well after the mother asked for Sanctuary; secondly a gargoyle comes to life as Frollo tries to kill Quasimodo and Esmeralda on the cathedral's ground. Each time Frollo is about to cross the MoralEventHorizon: Frollo disobeys the Sanctuary rule which stipulates that all person within the cathedral shall not be harmed. The cathedral itself decides to intervene when someone is about to break the Sanctuary rule! Sanctuary is SeriousBusiness for Notre Dame!
25th Oct '16 10:23:10 PM Polaris
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* Unless I missed it, I didn't see anyone mention this. I was watching the movie on Creator/ABCFamily when the scene where Frollo is searching all of Paris for Esmeralda comes up. Here is how it's Fridge Brilliance if you didn't grow up in a religious house. Now depending on who tells it, the number can change, but Frollo offers twenty pieces of Silver for Esmeralda. Now think about it; Who else was offered Silver in exchange for the life of another innocent human?

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* Unless I missed it, I didn't see anyone mention this. I was watching the movie on Creator/ABCFamily when the scene where Frollo is searching all of Paris for Esmeralda comes up. Here is how it's Fridge Brilliance if you didn't grow up in a religious house. Now depending on who tells it, the number can change, but Frollo offers twenty pieces of Silver for Esmeralda. Now think about it; Who it: who else was offered Silver silver in exchange for the life of another innocent human?human? Even more tellingly, the most commonly given number is 30 pieces of silver; Frollo offers ten silver to the first group, and twenty to the next.
1st Sep '16 6:30:28 PM Sithcario
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** The [[OminousLatinChanting Ominous Latin Chanting]] during Hellfire is from the Confiteor, which is [[BilingualBonus the Catholic confessional prayer]]. The lines sung by the priests at the beginning address God, Mary, the saints, and so forth. The counterpoint lines building to the main motif confess that one has sinned in thought, word, and deed. At this point, Frollo has sinned in though, which he does admit, and is presently sinning in word. The "Mea Culpa" is where the song goes completely opposite from the prayer instead of diverging as it had been. Frollo blames Esmeralda for his past sins instead of his humanity, denies that he has actually sinned, blames God for making it that sin could taint him, declares that his lust is not sinful, and demands that, instead of admitting that he is impure, that Esmeralda should be punished, be it damnation or him having his way with her without penalty on his soul. When you add the fact that Frollo is "praying" to Mary directly, he is not only spitting in God's face, but he's essentially saying to Mary "Everything your son taught is bull, so the rules don't apply to me."

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** The [[OminousLatinChanting Ominous Latin Chanting]] during Hellfire is from the Confiteor, which is [[BilingualBonus the Catholic confessional prayer]]. The lines sung by the priests at the beginning address God, Mary, the saints, and so forth. The counterpoint lines building to the main motif confess that one has sinned in thought, word, and deed. At this point, Frollo has sinned in though, which he does admit, and is presently sinning in word. The "Mea Culpa" is where [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope the song goes completely opposite from the prayer instead of diverging as it had been.been]]. Frollo blames Esmeralda for his past sins instead of his humanity, denies that he has actually sinned, blames God for making it that sin could taint him, declares that his lust is not sinful, and demands that, instead of admitting that he is impure, that Esmeralda should be punished, be it damnation or him having his way with her without penalty on his soul. When you add the fact that Frollo is "praying" to Mary directly, he is not only spitting in God's face, but he's essentially saying to Mary "Everything your son taught is bull, so the rules don't apply to me."
1st Sep '16 6:28:59 PM Sithcario
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** The [[OminousLatinChanting Ominous Latin Chanting]] during Hellfire is from the Confiteor, which is [[BilingualBonus the Catholic confessional prayer]]. The lines sung by the priests at the beginning address God, Mary, the saints, and so forth. The counterpoint lines building to the main motif confess that one has sinned in thought, word, and deed. At this point, Frollo has sinned in though, which he does admit, and is presently sinning in word. The "Mea Culpa" is where the song goes completely opposite from the prayer instead of diverging as it had been. Frollo blames Esmeralda for his past sins instead of his humanity, denies that he has actually sinned, blames God for making it that sin could taint him, declares that his lust is not sinful, and demands that, instead of admitting that he is impure, that Esmeralda should be punished, be it damnation or him having his way with her without penalty on his soul. When you add the fact that Frollo is "praying" to Mary directly, he is not only spitting in God's face, but he's essentially saying to Mary "Everything your son taught is bull, so the rules don't apply to me."
***The kicker? From here on out, the choir has no lyrics proper until the "Kyrie Eleison" at the end, leaving part of the Confiteor unsung: the lines in which one asks for forgiveness and absolution.
18th Aug '16 6:23:59 AM Vampireandthen
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** Isn't it strange how, despite growing up raised by someone as cruel and abusive as Frollo, Quasi himself is kind and gentle, instead of becoming just as cruel and abusive as Frollo? Well, perhaps those gargoyles, if they really are guardian angels, were there to protect Quasi from Frollo, and prevent him from becoming too horribly traumatised from Frollo's mistreatment. God really does work in mysterious ways.....
18th Aug '16 4:17:15 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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*** Except when Quasimodo and Pheobus try to protest, Clopin remarks "That's what ''they all'' say"...
5th Aug '16 3:42:27 PM HouseLyrander
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* A small one, but Clopin's motley seems like a standard fool's outfit with a NiceHat instead of the typical [[HappyHarlequinHat belled cap]]. Nothing particularly noteworthy about that until you find out that [[CommediaDellArte harlequins]] often wore hat's just like Clopin's and belled caps were more closely associated with [[TheJester court jesters]]. He's also the one narrating the story and harlequins are the only ones supposed to [[NoFourthWall address the audience]] and Clopin becomes a clear harlequin archetype. [[spoiler: This can be seen as foreshadowing that Clopin is TheLeader of Paris's disenfranchised and and will help the heroes out in the end just like how the classic harlequin character is TheLeader of the Zanni and helps the lovers get together in the end.]]
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