History Fridge / TheHunchbackOfNotreDame

18th Oct '17 4:31:55 AM annieholmes
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* Frollo's last word here is "DAMNATION!!!" as he falls (well, technically hoisted up by the choir) in the shape of a crucifix. Is he referring to his ''own'' damnation, or is he cursing Quasimodo for [[spoiler: committing an act of murder and kinslaying?]]
2nd Oct '17 5:30:43 AM rufusluciusivan
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* During his big speech to rally the crowd during the final battle, Phoebus uses as a final argument that Frollo is declaring war "on Notre-Dame itself", therefore considering it more important than the "ransacked our City" and "persecuted our people" arguments. Outside of the fact that he probably used it last because that's the last crime Frollo did, there may be another reason. In that time period, declaring war on Notre-Dame would have been interpreted as declaring war on God Himself, which would be seen as an even worse crime than mass murder at that time period.

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* During his big speech to rally the crowd during the final battle, Phoebus uses as a final argument that Frollo is declaring war "on Notre-Dame itself", therefore considering it more important than the "ransacked our City" and "persecuted our people" arguments. Outside of the fact that he probably used it last because that's the last crime Frollo did, there may be another reason. In that time period, declaring war on Notre-Dame would have been interpreted as declaring war on God Himself, which would be seen as an even worse crime than mass murder at that time period.
murder.
2nd Oct '17 5:29:07 AM rufusluciusivan
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* During his big speech to rally the crowd during the final battle, Phoebus uses as a final argument that Frollo is declaring war "on Notre-Dame itself", therefore considering it more important than the "ransacked our City" and "persecuted our people" arguments. Outside of the fact that he probably used it last because that's the last crime Frollo did, there may be another reason. In that time period, declaring war on Notre-Dame would have been interpreted as declaring war on God Himself, which would be seen as an even worse crime than mass murder at that time period.
22nd Aug '17 9:19:48 PM ElizaAnne
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***And she wasn't wearing that chemise before, because it covers the shoulders; it would be visible under her dress if she was wearing it. It also obviously doesn't fit her right and is only being held around the waist by a rope when normally they're tighter, indicating it wasn't her own. One of the common tests they used to determine if a woman was a witch during the time was to strip her naked and search for witch's marks or anything that might indicate connection to Satan - the fact that she seems to have lost all her original clothing and was forced to wear someone else's undergarments, as well as simply the fact that she was an attractive woman during this time period, makes it extremely likely Esmeralda went through this (and probably a whole battery of other useless, humiliating tests.) Regardless of whether it actually happened, though, the fact alone that they took her clothes and then tied her up ''publicly'' only wearing what was considered lingerie is beyond messed up anyway.
21st Aug '17 8:57:25 PM ElizaAnne
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**Not to mention, she's completely defenseless and half-dead from CO poisoning from the fire.


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**^^Right. At the time, no one considered germs or corpses the source of sickness, they associated illness with miasmas (or bad smells) or witchcraft. If everyone suddenly got sick, Frollo absolutely could have blame dit on the Roma-germ theory wasn't popularized by John Snow (not the GoT character, the epidemiologist) for centuries in New York.
16th Aug '17 5:25:31 AM ElizaAnne
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** Actually, it wasn't even a dress. It looked like a chemise, which was basically underwear for the time period. People who were about to be executed would be stripped of their garments and they would be sold, because the excecutioner could make a profit from selling someone's possessions. However, Esmeralda didn't appear to be wearing anything of value, which makes it both stupid and unnecessary to take her clothes and leave her in a chemise, which just adds to the messed-up subtext there.
22nd Jul '17 7:21:15 AM littlebeeper
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** At the beginning he was just a Judge, twenty years later he is Minister of Justice. He got promoted by the King of France for doing such a stand-up-job of Romani Murder and now he is basically Dicator of Paris.

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** At the beginning he was just a Judge, twenty years later he is Minister of Justice. He got promoted by the King of France for doing such a stand-up-job of Romani Murder and now he is basically Dicator Dictator of Paris.
14th Jul '17 9:04:43 AM ShadowDJ
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** Given how comfortable Quasimodo's apartment in the Belltower looks (It has a bed, a table for his arts and crafts, likely has storage for food when Frollo isn't around, etc), it's likely the Archdeacon took care of Quasimodo when Frollo wasn't around and likely the reason why Quasimodo was even able to become a decent person in the Disney movie. He likely acted as an equalizer to Frollo when it came to Quasimodo. We just never saw them interact.
14th Jul '17 9:00:33 AM ShadowDJ
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** Not nessicarily true. People seem to know about the Bell Ringer, so perhaps the other people of the Church visit him in secret? Say to supply him with supplies for his arts and crafts for example. It's not outside the realm of possiblity that the Archdeacon tried his best to make Quasimodo at home in the Church.
5th Jul '17 12:51:22 PM creader
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* Quasi and Phoebus fall in love with and marry a [[NiceGuy Nice Girl]], who have GreenEyes, and in one way or another are very similar to them (Quasi and Madellaine are {{Adorkable}}, [[ExtremeDoormat start off as very passive]], and are genuinely good people who were raised by [[AbusiveParents an abusive father figure]]; Phoebus and Esmeralda are [[DeadpanSnarker full of snark]], good at hand-to-hand combat, and do not like the bullying of the weak)






** I'd guess the garment was supplied to her. After that trick with the smoke powder in her hanky, they're taking ''no'' chances.

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** I'd guess the The garment was possibly supplied to her. After that trick with the smoke powder in her hanky, they're taking ''no'' chances.



* From the sequel: Madellaine tells Quasimodo that Sarousch WouldHurtAChild. How did she find that out, exactly?
** Also, Sarousch has shown to have some sort of attraction with Madellaine, the woman he raised since she was a little girl. And with the guy also being a sociopath....
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