History Fridge / TRONLegacy

16th Sep '17 5:30:18 PM nombretomado
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** The MCP in the original movie outright stated it was going to take over military computer systems. Of course, the MCP was also a contemporary of those military systems. Now imagine Clu and his circa-turn-of-TheNineties programs taking on military systems and military programs from... ''2011''. Programs that are already experienced in cyberwarfare [[note]]one of the RealLife missions of the [[YanksWithTanks United States]] [[DeathFromAbove Air Force]] is in fact protecting America's interests in Cyber Space[[/note]].Talk about a CurbStompBattle.

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** The MCP in the original movie outright stated it was going to take over military computer systems. Of course, the MCP was also a contemporary of those military systems. Now imagine Clu and his circa-turn-of-TheNineties programs taking on military systems and military programs from... ''2011''. Programs that are already experienced in cyberwarfare [[note]]one of the RealLife missions of the [[YanksWithTanks [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks United States]] [[DeathFromAbove Air Force]] is in fact protecting America's interests in Cyber Space[[/note]].Talk about a CurbStompBattle.
21st Jul '17 8:34:21 PM Xerit
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* In a bonus feature on the Tron: Legacy Blu-ray, a text conversation occurs between Edward Dillinger Jr. and an unnamed individual, implied to be either Edward Dillinger Sr. (as he calls it "Dad") or the Master Control Program (as it ends the conversation with "End of Line"). The conversation suggests the two have some mysterious plan. As Edward Dillinger Jr. is credited with the development of the new Encom OS which is leaked in the beginning of the film, this raises a question: what else might have been programmed into that OS?
28th May '17 6:50:25 PM Allronix
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* Flynn himself is a wonderful {{Deconstruction}} of what happens when you give the LoveableRogue protagonist actual power. He's brilliant with the ideas and big plans (half of which are probably {{Indy Ploy}}s he came up with over breakfast), but takes his more responsible and grounded friends, family, and allies for granted. While his charisma ensures their loyalty, he treats them shabbily. The Betrayal comic shows that the Encom board was already losing patience with him, his family was worried, and his friends were questioning his mental health. Even with all the brilliance, they have to run behind him with a broom and dustpan - even twenty years later! And while Clu 2.0 was never a nice guy, he turned on Flynn because he felt that Flynn was neglecting his duties, abandoning the Programs to fawn over the Isos, and letting The Grid fall apart. And when he was needed most to step up and fight for the Programs after the coup? Nope, he takes the last Iso, and goes off in the Outlands to play Zen master while his creations are left to de-rez or worse. Frankly, [[ComesGreatResponsibility with great power comes great responsibility]], and fun-loving Flynn could handle neither.

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* Flynn himself is a wonderful {{Deconstruction}} of what happens when you give the LoveableRogue protagonist actual power.power and of [[DeconstructedCharacterArchetype the archetype itself]]. He's brilliant with the ideas and big plans (half of which are probably {{Indy Ploy}}s he came up with over breakfast), but takes his more responsible and grounded friends, family, and allies for granted. While his charisma ensures their loyalty, he treats them shabbily. The Betrayal comic shows that the Encom board was already losing patience with him, his family was worried, and his friends were questioning his mental health. Even with all the brilliance, they have to run behind him with a broom and dustpan - even twenty years later! And while Clu 2.0 was never a nice guy, he turned on Flynn because he felt that Flynn was neglecting his duties, abandoning the Programs to fawn over the Isos, and letting The Grid fall apart. And when he was needed most to step up and fight for the Programs after the coup? Nope, he takes the last Iso, and goes off in the Outlands to play Zen master while his creations are left to de-rez or worse. Frankly, [[ComesGreatResponsibility with great power comes great responsibility]], and fun-loving Flynn could handle neither.
29th Apr '17 9:32:13 AM nombretomado
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* Another "cross the timelines and cringe": In [[VideoGame/TronTwoPointOh Tron 2.0's]] continuity, Tron is viewed as Encom's greatest hero, the focus of a KingInTheMountain style myth stating he will return to defend the system (and, by extension, all of {{Cyberspace}}) in its DarkestHour. It's not a stretch to think that it's probably true in this continuity as well. However, think of what would happen in a Legacy-compliant timeline; at best, Clu could manipulate that legend to his own ends by demonstrating the legendary hero's on ''his'' side. Even if he told the full truth (and this is Clu we're talking about - the guy might give [[MarvelCinematicUniverse Loki]] a run for his money), the truth would be enough to ''severely'' demoralize any opposing systems, especially if Clu invokes DarkestHour, and ''then'' reveals the KingInTheMountain as a rectified drone.

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* Another "cross the timelines and cringe": In [[VideoGame/TronTwoPointOh Tron 2.0's]] continuity, Tron is viewed as Encom's greatest hero, the focus of a KingInTheMountain style myth stating he will return to defend the system (and, by extension, all of {{Cyberspace}}) in its DarkestHour. It's not a stretch to think that it's probably true in this continuity as well. However, think of what would happen in a Legacy-compliant timeline; at best, Clu could manipulate that legend to his own ends by demonstrating the legendary hero's on ''his'' side. Even if he told the full truth (and this is Clu we're talking about - the guy might give [[MarvelCinematicUniverse [[Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse Loki]] a run for his money), the truth would be enough to ''severely'' demoralize any opposing systems, especially if Clu invokes DarkestHour, and ''then'' reveals the KingInTheMountain as a rectified drone.
18th Apr '17 11:13:47 AM Allronix
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** Likewise, Clu being unable to comprehend why Flynn was content to hide for 20 years, but was happy to spring into action once Sam got involved. Think about it - Programs do not self-replicate. They have no concept of family in the sense a human would. The closest he might be able to understand what Sam is would be an "upgraded version" - one that makes Clu ''obsolete.'' Little wonder Clu is pissed.
17th Apr '17 11:59:49 AM Allronix
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* Per the ARG, one of the reasons Flynn was so enamored with the Isos, and all but cast the Programs aside as a dead end was that he believed Isos and humans had true free will, where the Programs still had directives that they had to follow (see Ram's inappropriate insurance sales pitch in the Gaming cells and Tron's inability to act against Users). The horror? How much actual choice do Sam and Quorra get in their destiny? Sam resisted as much as he could, but he was always "fated" to take the proverbial throne at Encom as a proxy for his "earlier version," and Quorra was supposed to "change the world" (a world that isn't her own, and a species she doesn't belong to). Their fates and their functions were just as pre-programmed as any "Basic's," with just as much say in the matter.
17th Apr '17 7:42:28 AM Allronix
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** It also seems to be a neutral ground, in effect: a place where negotiations could be made, and programs of all colors (which sounds a bit worse than I'd intended... ah well) could hang out without being at each others' throats. Kevin may not have intended it that way (since when he was building, everyone was on the same side), but Zuse or perhaps even Clu helped repurpose it for their own gain.

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** It also seems to be a neutral ground, in effect: a place where negotiations could be made, and programs of all colors (which sounds a bit worse than I'd intended... ah well) could hang out without being at each others' throats. Kevin may not have intended it that way (since when he was building, everyone was on the same side), but Zuse or perhaps even Clu helped repurpose re-purpose it for their own gain.



* Alan is, by all accounts, a very mild and humble guy - very harmless looking. But there is a moment in the flashback part of the film where he looks about ready to clobber a reporter trying to harass a young Sam. But then remember that the Programs reflect what's in their User's psyche for good or ill. We saw Flynn's dark side manifest with Clu. And then remember that ''Alan'' was the one who built Tron in the first place. [[spoiler: Which means, deep down, he's got one seriously ''scary'' Rinzler-flavored dark side if you ever pushed your luck far enough.]]

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* Alan is, by all accounts, a very mild and humble guy - very harmless looking. But there is a moment in the flashback part of the film where he looks about ready to clobber a reporter trying to harass a young Sam. But then remember that the Programs reflect what's in their User's psyche for good or ill. We saw Flynn's dark side manifest with Clu. And then remember that ''Alan'' was the one who built Tron in the first place. [[spoiler: Which means, deep down, he's got one seriously ''scary'' Rinzler-flavored dark side if you ever pushed your luck far enough.]]]]
* Another Alan-related bit of brilliance. In "The Next Day," he's gone over to Roy's place, and it's clear he understands that Kevin is well and truly dead now, and Sam is still...well, young and a Flynn. In other words, a very flashy ''figurehead.'' Alan's the one who is calling the shots over how thing are going to be run ("We have ''our'' company back," he tells Roy), going over a list of what's going to happen. When Roy expresses his concern about Dillinger Junior, Alan says ''"Junior earned his place, he stays."'' But notice that Alan is very indirect about almost everything he tells Sam and Roy in the film, and that Dillinger Junior is clearly up to no good, both in the boardroom scene and his communication with the resurrected Master Control. It's probably less "Junior's earned his place" and more [[KeepingTheEnemyClose "I'm making damn sure I don't let Junior out of my sight."]]
15th Apr '17 2:00:33 PM nombretomado
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** The franchise has gone here, but not in this timeline. The ''Ghost in the Machine'' comic based on ''[[{{Tron20}} Tron 2.0]]'' opens with the game's protagonist having a massive HeroicBSOD once he realized what being a User ''means'' in that universe, and explicitly mentions deleting software and reformatting hard drives as akin to the actions of a cruel or incompetent god.

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** The franchise has gone here, but not in this timeline. The ''Ghost in the Machine'' comic based on ''[[{{Tron20}} Tron 2.0]]'' ''VideoGame/TronTwoPointOh'' opens with the game's protagonist having a massive HeroicBSOD once he realized what being a User ''means'' in that universe, and explicitly mentions deleting software and reformatting hard drives as akin to the actions of a cruel or incompetent god.
15th Apr '17 1:59:04 PM nombretomado
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** Yet another piece of brilliance if you're inclined to import certain aspects of the discredited [[{{Tron20}} Tron 2.0]]. A standard disc in 2.0 doesn't carry an energy cost. A Sequencer upgrade, which will allow splitting a disc into multiple copies like Rinzler, uses a small amount of energy with every shot...small, that is, for a User like Jet. For a Program, the energy cost would be much more adverse, but it would still be en effective weapon for short skirmishes. Clu saddling his brainwashed {{Dragon}} with an energy-draining weapon would both make Rinzler a deadlier combatant, ''and'' further Rinzler's dependence on him.

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** Yet another piece of brilliance if you're inclined to import certain aspects of the discredited [[{{Tron20}} Tron 2.0]].''VideoGame/TronTwoPointOh''. A standard disc in 2.0 doesn't carry an energy cost. A Sequencer upgrade, which will allow splitting a disc into multiple copies like Rinzler, uses a small amount of energy with every shot...small, that is, for a User like Jet. For a Program, the energy cost would be much more adverse, but it would still be en effective weapon for short skirmishes. Clu saddling his brainwashed {{Dragon}} with an energy-draining weapon would both make Rinzler a deadlier combatant, ''and'' further Rinzler's dependence on him.
30th Mar '17 11:40:05 AM Allronix
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* A related bit of Fridge Horror to above. Okay, Clu succeeds in invading. But he has next to no idea about how nasty humans are capable of being. [[PuttingOnTheReich We've seen dozens like him in the past]] and we'll no doubt see dozens like him in the future. [[RobotWar So he comes out of cyberspace with an army]], proving AIIsACrapshoot. Even if we have to go back to slide rules and pre-World War 2 tech to nail his butt we will do so with extreme prejudice. Maybe a lot of humans die in the process, but we're still likely to win...even if there's two of us and none of them, we'll still call it a win. And after that, [[GuiltFreeExterminationWar humans will systematically destroy our computers and every Program on them down to Ada Lovelace's punch cards without losing a wink of sleep]].

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* A related bit of Fridge Horror to above. Okay, Clu succeeds in invading. But he has next to no idea about how nasty humans are capable of being. [[PuttingOnTheReich We've seen dozens like him in the past]] and we'll no doubt see dozens like him in the future. [[RobotWar So he comes out of cyberspace with an army]], proving AIIsACrapshoot. Even if we have to go back to slide rules and pre-World War 2 tech to nail his butt we will do so with extreme prejudice. Maybe a lot of humans die in the process, but we're still likely to win...even if there's two of us and none of them, we'll still call it a win. [[WhatMeasureIsANonhuman And after that, [[GuiltFreeExterminationWar that,]] [[JustAMachine humans will systematically destroy our computers computers]] [[GuiltFreeExterminationWar and every Program on them down to Ada Lovelace's punch cards without losing a wink of sleep]].
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