Follow TV Tropes

Following

History Fridge / SpaceJam

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* I never thought anything of Marvin the Martian being the referee in the movie ''Space Jam''. Until later when I realized, the game was between Looney Toons and ALIENS. Marvin is, so far as I know, the only being who's both, which made him the perfect impartial judge. -- Tropers/MystyGlyttyr
* UsefulNotes/MichaelJordan makes a bet with the Monstars in that if he loses, he'll become their slave. On one hand, it sounds like a noble move. Alternatively, you can interpret it as Jordan being so full of himself, that he knows he can beat [[Main/MyFriendsAndZoidberg four All-Stars (and Shawn Bradley)]] in a basketball game. And is willing to risk everything he has to satisfy his competitive urge. Now, in real life, who do we know is an arrogant, winning-obsessed gambling addict that plays basketball?
** But what did he demand from the Monstars as their ante? The stolen talent. He was willing to risk everything for a shot at getting the All-Stars' talent back for them.
** Also, the Monstars have talent but not practice. Talent alone does not win games against good opponents. The Monstars have the talent of All-Stars, but they are brute forcing their way through the game rather than playing strategically, and Jordan is convinced he can beat them when they're playing like that.
* Why didn't Marvin the Martian call any fouls for the whole game, despite (as the main page said) the loads and loads of UnnecessaryRoughness? Simple: he didn't call against the Monstars because he didn't want to be pounded into Martian Jelly, and he didn't call against the Tune Squad to make it fair(er) for them.
** As the HomeFieldAdvantage trope points out, the Ultimate Game is played in the cartoon universe. In Looney Tune Land, it seems there are only two enforceable rules: must have five players on the court, and the game ends when the timer reaches zero, regardless of what it's been doing in the meantime. Things like firearms, explosives, renegade livestock and squishing opponents like bugs are perfectly lawful methods in the Toon World.

to:

* I never thought anything of Marvin the Martian being the referee in the movie ''Space Jam''. Until Jam'', until I later when I realized, realized the game was being played between the Looney Toons and ALIENS. Marvin is, so far as I know, the only being who's both, who qualified for both teams, which made him the perfect impartial judge. -- Tropers/MystyGlyttyr
* UsefulNotes/MichaelJordan makes a bet with the Monstars Mon-Stars in that if he loses, he'll become their slave. On one hand, it sounds like a noble move. Alternatively, [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation Alternatively]], you can interpret it as Jordan being so full of himself, himself that he knows he can beat [[Main/MyFriendsAndZoidberg four All-Stars (and Shawn Bradley)]] in a basketball game. And game, and is willing to risk everything he has to satisfy his competitive urge. Now, in real life, who do we know is an arrogant, winning-obsessed gambling addict that plays basketball?
** But what did he demand from the Monstars Mon-Stars as their ante? The stolen talent. He was willing to risk everything for a shot at getting the All-Stars' talent back for them.
** Also, the Monstars Mon-Stars have talent talent, but not practice. Talent alone does not win games against good opponents. The Monstars opponents, so the Mon-Stars have the talent of All-Stars, but they are brute forcing their way through the game rather than playing strategically, and which has Jordan is convinced he can beat them when they're playing like that.
* Why didn't Marvin the Martian call any fouls for the whole game, despite (as the main page said) the loads and loads of UnnecessaryRoughness? Simple: he didn't call against the Monstars Mon-Stars because he didn't want to be pounded into Martian Jelly, and he didn't call against the Tune Squad to make it fair(er) for them.
** As the HomeFieldAdvantage trope points out, the Ultimate Game is played in the cartoon universe. In Looney Tune Land, it seems there are only two enforceable rules: 1) there must have be five players on the court, and 2) the game ends when the timer reaches zero, regardless of what it's has been doing going on in the meantime. Things like firearms, explosives, renegade livestock livestock, and squishing the ability to squish opponents like bugs are perfectly lawful methods in the Toon World.



* All the other affected players were both popular and had great statistics. The lone exception being Shawn Bradley. So why is he in the movie? The Nerdluck who stole his talent had the least going on upstairs, so naturally he would go for one of the tallest out of his league players rather than, say, Shaq or David Robinson.
** This is also satirized in an [[http://www.wired.com/playbook/2011/03/space-jam-box-scores/ article]] where a sports writer compiled all of the box scores from the game. He points out that the blue Nerdluck did nothing of worth, and said that it was [[TakeThat the most realistic aspect of the movie.]]
* It seems kind of weird that they didn't play the national anthem prior to the game, but the game doesn't take place in the same universe as us. They might not even have a national anthem for Looney Tune Land.

to:

* All of the other affected players were both popular and had great statistics. The statistics, but the lone exception being is Shawn Bradley. So why is he in the movie? The Nerdluck who stole his talent had the least going on upstairs, so naturally he would go for one of the tallest out of his league players rather than, say, Shaq or David Robinson.
** This is also satirized in an [[http://www.wired.com/playbook/2011/03/space-jam-box-scores/ article]] where a sports writer compiled all of the box scores from the game. He points out that the blue Nerdluck did nothing of worth, worth and said that it was [[TakeThat the most realistic aspect of the movie.]]
* It seems kind of weird that they didn't play the national anthem prior to the game, but the game doesn't take place in the same universe as us. They There might not even have be a national anthem for Looney Tune Land.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Besides the above-mentioned reasons, Jordan (like many NBA wing superstars after him) was vilified during his time for being unselfish and refusing to pass up the last shot despite having open teammates (this was largely fallacious, but he's the consensus most clutch offensive player of all time as well, so he was often very aggressive with final shots). Plus, Jordan was known as arrogant with a huge chip on his shoulder as an athlete-- considering he's the one that made the challenge in the first place, it's only natural that he'd want to stick the nail in the Monstars' coffin.

to:

** Besides the above-mentioned reasons, Jordan (like many NBA wing superstars after him) was vilified during his time for being unselfish selfish and refusing to pass up the last shot despite having open teammates (this was largely fallacious, but he's the consensus most clutch offensive player of all time as well, so he was often very aggressive with final shots). Plus, Jordan was known as arrogant with a huge chip on his shoulder as an athlete-- considering he's the one that made the challenge in the first place, it's only natural that he'd want to stick the nail in the Monstars' coffin.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Besides the above-mentioned reasons, Jordan (like many NBA wing superstars after him) was vilified during his time for being unselfish and refusing to pass up the last shot despite having open teammates (this was largely fallacious, but he's the consensus most clutch offensive player of all time as well, so he was often very aggressive with final shots). Plus, Jordan was known as arrogant with a huge chip on his shoulder as an athlete-- considering he's the one that made the challenge in the first place, it's only natural that he'd want to stick the nail in the Monstars' coffin.
** On top of all that, Jordan isn't playing with NBA players as teammates. He has freakin' Looney Tunes on his team. Who knows what catastrophe could occur if the only talented basketball player on the Toon Squad were to give up the last shot and trust a goofball bunny or an overweight hillbilly with the game? It's likely that in Jordan's mind, the stakes were simply too high, much like his attitude when taking over crucial post-season games in the NBA... except now it's much bigger than "I need to win because I hate to lose." It's "I need to win because I'll be a slave for the rest of my life if I don't." Of course the best player on the court isn't gonna give up the last shot to a cartoon character.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* UsefulNotes/MichaelJordan makes a bet with the Monstars in that if he loses, he'll become their slave. On one hand, it sounds like a noble move. Alternatively, you can interpret it as Jordan being so full of himself, that he knows he can beat four All-Stars (and Shawn Bradley) in a basketball game. And is willing to risk everything he has to satisfy his competitive urge. Now, in real life, who do we know is an arrogant, winning-obsessed gambling addict that plays basketball?

to:

* UsefulNotes/MichaelJordan makes a bet with the Monstars in that if he loses, he'll become their slave. On one hand, it sounds like a noble move. Alternatively, you can interpret it as Jordan being so full of himself, that he knows he can beat [[Main/MyFriendsAndZoidberg four All-Stars (and Shawn Bradley) Bradley)]] in a basketball game. And is willing to risk everything he has to satisfy his competitive urge. Now, in real life, who do we know is an arrogant, winning-obsessed gambling addict that plays basketball?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Jordan makes a bet with the Monstars in that if he loses, he'll become their slave. On one hand, it sounds like a noble move. Alternatively, you can interpret it as Jordan being so full of himself, that he knows he can beat four All-Stars (and Shawn Bradley) in a basketball game. And is willing to risk everything he has to satisfy his competitive urge. Now, in real life, who do we know is an arrogant, winning-obsessed gambling addict that plays basketball?

to:

* Jordan UsefulNotes/MichaelJordan makes a bet with the Monstars in that if he loses, he'll become their slave. On one hand, it sounds like a noble move. Alternatively, you can interpret it as Jordan being so full of himself, that he knows he can beat four All-Stars (and Shawn Bradley) in a basketball game. And is willing to risk everything he has to satisfy his competitive urge. Now, in real life, who do we know is an arrogant, winning-obsessed gambling addict that plays basketball?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Are you 'from outer space' because you live on Earth? Well, he's not 'from outer space' because he lives on Mars.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:



!FridgeHorror:

* Is anyone disturbed by Jordan's willingness to risk being stuck on Moron Mountain, despite having a family to live for?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:


!FridgeHorror:

* Is anyone disturbed by Jordan's willingness to risk being stuck on Moron Mountain, despite having a family to live for?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* It seems kind of weird that they didn't play the national anthem prior to the game, but the game doesn't take place in the same universe as us. They might not even have a national anthem for Looney Tune Land.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** He knew a toon could manipulate him using Cartoon Physics. But he had no reason to believe he could manipulate himself with said physics.

Added: 1336

Removed: 1336

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


!FridgeLogic:
* The Looney Tunes live under the Earth and the alien invaders are from outer space. Wait, so where is Marvin the Martian from? Is he an alien traitor?
* Better example: the climactic dunk, with Jordan under all five villains. Which ... means that he has FOUR open teammates. I'm sure Jordan's heard of this thing called the 'assist' ...
** The real issue with this dunk is that at the end of the game, the Toons are only credited with two points. Jordan's feet are both behind the three point line, thusly the shot should count for one more point.
** There were only seconds on the clock. If he passed the ball to Lola, the clock would expire before she could finish the fast-break, and he could trust any of them to sink a jump-shot buzzer-beater.
** There were only two Monstars holding Jordan back. He had just launched himself off of the orange one, but that still left two in coverage. Also, he was the closest one on his team to the basket, with only seconds to go.
* Early in the movie, the Monstars grab Jordan, ball him up, and show off their new talents, including throwing Jordan so fast that he burns a hole in Yosemite Sam's hat. During this, he ends up with no broken bones, no burns, and no physical sign that this happened. So how did he NOT know that cartoon physics applied to him while he was in Toon-land?!


Added DiffLines:


!FridgeLogic:
* The Looney Tunes live under the Earth and the alien invaders are from outer space. Wait, so where is Marvin the Martian from? Is he an alien traitor?
* Better example: the climactic dunk, with Jordan under all five villains. Which ... means that he has FOUR open teammates. I'm sure Jordan's heard of this thing called the 'assist' ...
** The real issue with this dunk is that at the end of the game, the Toons are only credited with two points. Jordan's feet are both behind the three point line, thusly the shot should count for one more point.
** There were only seconds on the clock. If he passed the ball to Lola, the clock would expire before she could finish the fast-break, and he could trust any of them to sink a jump-shot buzzer-beater.
** There were only two Monstars holding Jordan back. He had just launched himself off of the orange one, but that still left two in coverage. Also, he was the closest one on his team to the basket, with only seconds to go.
* Early in the movie, the Monstars grab Jordan, ball him up, and show off their new talents, including throwing Jordan so fast that he burns a hole in Yosemite Sam's hat. During this, he ends up with no broken bones, no burns, and no physical sign that this happened. So how did he NOT know that cartoon physics applied to him while he was in Toon-land?!
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* All the other affected players were both popular and had great statistics. The lone exception being Shawn Bradley. So why is he in the movie? The Nerdluck who stole his talent had the least going on upstairs, so naturally he would go for one of the tallest out of his league players rather than, say, Shaq or David Robinson.
** This is also satirized in an [[http://www.wired.com/playbook/2011/03/space-jam-box-scores/ article]] where a sports writer compiled all of the box scores from the game. He points out that the blue Nerdluck did nothing of worth, and said that it was [[TakeThat the most realistic aspect of the movie.]]

Changed: 96

Removed: 1023

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
<Sigh> Please don\'t reply to question-like material on Fridge pages. It\'s still Natter. Best not to write stuff like questions, either.


** This is why he is the referee.
** Or if you avoid the portal, you'll go into the Looney Tunes equivalent of space.



** He did. He just didn't realize he could use it to his advantage up until the climactic dunk.
*** WrongGenreSavvy? Jordan thought he was the PluckyComicRelief, not TheHero?
** [[HowDoIShotWeb Perhaps he just didn't know how to use it?]]
*** Jordan didn't know how to ''actively manipulate 'toon physics to his advantage'' until literally the last minute of the game. They applied the second he entered Toon-Land, but he'd spent all his life with "3D-Land" physics. He knew Toons can do things he can't - ''but he thought the old rules still applied to him''. It's somewhat like Superman not noticing that he never got injured, merely taking it for granted, but not knowing he could fly until someone told him "you know you can do this, right?"

to:

** He did. He just didn't realize he could use it to his advantage up until the climactic dunk.
*** WrongGenreSavvy? Jordan thought he was the PluckyComicRelief, not TheHero?
** [[HowDoIShotWeb Perhaps he just didn't know how to use it?]]
*** Jordan didn't know how to ''actively manipulate 'toon physics to his advantage'' until literally the last minute of the game. They applied the second he entered Toon-Land, but he'd spent all his life with "3D-Land" physics. He knew Toons can do things he can't - ''but he thought the old rules still applied to him''. It's somewhat like Superman not noticing that he never got injured, merely taking it for granted, but not knowing he could fly until someone told him "you know you can do this, right?"



** This isn't Fridge Brilliance so much as either WMG or ruining a perfectly good movie.



*** In a world where disintegrating into a pile of dust isn't lethal and there isn't even such a thing as a permanent injury, personal fouls almost become superfluous.

to:

*** ** In a world where disintegrating into a pile of dust isn't lethal and there isn't even such a thing as a permanent injury, personal fouls almost become superfluous.



** Then why did she literally run circles around Bugs on the court?
*** Bugs was so distracted by the hot lady bunny at their first meeting he could've been beat by Granny.

Added: 272

Changed: 506

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

*** Jordan didn't know how to ''actively manipulate 'toon physics to his advantage'' until literally the last minute of the game. They applied the second he entered Toon-Land, but he'd spent all his life with "3D-Land" physics. He knew Toons can do things he can't - ''but he thought the old rules still applied to him''. It's somewhat like Superman not noticing that he never got injured, merely taking it for granted, but not knowing he could fly until someone told him "you know you can do this, right?"


Added DiffLines:

*** In a world where disintegrating into a pile of dust isn't lethal and there isn't even such a thing as a permanent injury, personal fouls almost become superfluous.


Added DiffLines:

*** Bugs was so distracted by the hot lady bunny at their first meeting he could've been beat by Granny.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

** Then why did she literally run circles around Bugs on the court?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Why no fouls? No rules.

Added DiffLines:

** As the HomeFieldAdvantage trope points out, the Ultimate Game is played in the cartoon universe. In Looney Tune Land, it seems there are only two enforceable rules: must have five players on the court, and the game ends when the timer reaches zero, regardless of what it's been doing in the meantime. Things like firearms, explosives, renegade livestock and squishing opponents like bugs are perfectly lawful methods in the Toon World.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* Of course Lola would be good at basketball - rabbits are very good jumpers.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

** [[HowDoIShotWeb Perhaps he just didn't know how to use it?]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** There were only two Monstars holding Jordan back. He had just launched himself off of the orange one, but that still left two in coverage. Also, he was the closest one on his team to the basket, with only seconds to go.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* Why didn't Marvin the Martian call any fouls for the whole game, despite (as the main page said) the loads and loads of UnnecessaryRoughness? Simple: he didn't call against the Monstars because he didn't want to be pounded into Martian Jelly, and he didn't call against the Tune Squad to make it fair(er) for them.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** WrongGenreSavvy? Jordan thought he was the ComicRelief, not TheHero?

to:

*** WrongGenreSavvy? Jordan thought he was the ComicRelief, PluckyComicRelief, not TheHero?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** There were only seconds on the clock. If he passed the ball to Lola, the clock would expire before she could finish the fast-break, and he could trust any of them to sink a jump-shot buzzer-beater.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

** Also, the Monstars have talent but not practice. Talent alone does not win games against good opponents. The Monstars have the talent of All-Stars, but they are brute forcing their way through the game rather than playing strategically, and Jordan is convinced he can beat them when they're playing like that.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

** But what did he demand from the Monstars as their ante? The stolen talent. He was willing to risk everything for a shot at getting the All-Stars' talent back for them.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

**The real issue with this dunk is that at the end of the game, the Toons are only credited with two points. Jordan's feet are both behind the three point line, thusly the shot should count for one more point.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* I never thought anything of Marvin the Martian being the referee in the movie ''Space Jam''. Until later when I realized, the game was between Looney Toons and ALIENS. Marvin is, so far as I know, the only being who's both, which made him the perfect impartial judge. -- MystyGlyttyr

to:

* I never thought anything of Marvin the Martian being the referee in the movie ''Space Jam''. Until later when I realized, the game was between Looney Toons and ALIENS. Marvin is, so far as I know, the only being who's both, which made him the perfect impartial judge. -- MystyGlyttyrTropers/MystyGlyttyr
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Move from main


!FridgeLogic:
*The Looney Tunes live under the Earth and the alien invaders are from outer space. Wait, so where is Marvin the Martian from? Is he an alien traitor?
** This is why he is the referee.
** Or if you avoid the portal, you'll go into the Looney Tunes equivalent of space.
* Better example: the climactic dunk, with Jordan under all five villains. Which ... means that he has FOUR open teammates. I'm sure Jordan's heard of this thing called the 'assist' ...
* Early in the movie, the Monstars grab Jordan, ball him up, and show off their new talents, including throwing Jordan so fast that he burns a hole in Yosemite Sam's hat. During this, he ends up with no broken bones, no burns, and no physical sign that this happened. So how did he NOT know that cartoon physics applied to him while he was in Toon-land?!
** He did. He just didn't realize he could use it to his advantage up until the climactic dunk.
*** WrongGenreSavvy? Jordan thought he was the ComicRelief, not TheHero?

!FridgeBrilliance:



** This isn't Fridge Brilliance so much as either WMG or ruining a perfectly good movie.

to:

** This isn't Fridge Brilliance so much as either WMG or ruining a perfectly good movie.movie.

----
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Jordan makes a bet with the Monstars in that if he loses, he'll become their slave. On one hand, it sounds like a noble move. Alternatively, you can interpret it as Jordan being so full of himself, that he knows he can beat four All-Stars (and Shawn Bradley) in a basketball game. And is willing to risk everything he has to satisfy his competitive urge. Now, in real life, who do we know is an arrogant, winning-obsessed gambling addict that plays basketball?

to:

* Jordan makes a bet with the Monstars in that if he loses, he'll become their slave. On one hand, it sounds like a noble move. Alternatively, you can interpret it as Jordan being so full of himself, that he knows he can beat four All-Stars (and Shawn Bradley) in a basketball game. And is willing to risk everything he has to satisfy his competitive urge. Now, in real life, who do we know is an arrogant, winning-obsessed gambling addict that plays basketball?basketball?
** This isn't Fridge Brilliance so much as either WMG or ruining a perfectly good movie.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* I never thought anything of Marvin the Martian being the referee in the movie ''Space Jam''. Until later when I realized, the game was between Looney Toons and ALIENS. Marvin is, so far as I know, the only being who's both, which made him the perfect impartial judge. -- MystyGlyttyr

to:

* I never thought anything of Marvin the Martian being the referee in the movie ''Space Jam''. Until later when I realized, the game was between Looney Toons and ALIENS. Marvin is, so far as I know, the only being who's both, which made him the perfect impartial judge. -- MystyGlyttyrMystyGlyttyr
* Jordan makes a bet with the Monstars in that if he loses, he'll become their slave. On one hand, it sounds like a noble move. Alternatively, you can interpret it as Jordan being so full of himself, that he knows he can beat four All-Stars (and Shawn Bradley) in a basketball game. And is willing to risk everything he has to satisfy his competitive urge. Now, in real life, who do we know is an arrogant, winning-obsessed gambling addict that plays basketball?

Top