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** It seems strange that the nurses are all so uncooperative and downright rude when Teddy interviewed them in a group, but when you realize that [[spoiler: the nurses have had to put up with the exact same shit from Andrew for two years now]], it becomes quite brilliant story telling.
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***When that first patient is being escorted from the interview by a band of orderlies after being aroused, he is hollering/mumbling, "I don't see [[spoiler:Laeddiss]] in that. I don't see him anymore." It was presented right on the table and could still be chalked up as a madman's rambling rather than [[spoiler:a fellow patient's, maybe friend's, frustration at his futile attempt to help.]]
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*** On the other hand, it could have been an unconscious decision - as Dr. Cawley said, [[spoiler: "sanity is not a choice"]]. The "good man" statement could have just been a manifestation of subconscious turmoil.
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** His very first line is "pull yourself together, Teddy." This is quite meaningful in retrospect, as he [[spoiler: is struggling to keep the Teddy Daniels persona together while surrounded by water, which reminds him of his true nature.]]
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** One of the first patients Teddy sees out in the garden waves to him and laughs. At first this may be dismissed as the man's insanity causing inexplicable behavior. [[spoiler: But if you think about it, of course he would be amused when he sees a fellow patient walking into the hospital dressed as a U.S. Marshall.]]
** One of the first patients Teddy sees out in the garden waves to him and laughs. At first this may be dismissed as the man's insanity causing inexplicable behavior. [[spoiler: But if you think about it, of course he would be amused when he sees a fellow patient walking into the hospital dressed as a U.S. Marshall.]]
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*** Later in the interview she mentions that Dr. Sheehan is "easy on the eyes". [[spoiler: We get a shot of Chuck/Sheehan's amused reaction.]]
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** Also significant in retrospect are some of the jokes the nurses tell, which seemingly get more laughter than warranted. One of them mentions that Rachel Solondo always complained about the food there. [[spoiler: She was actually talking about Teddy/Andrew.]] Another nurse, after being asked why Dr. Sheehan gets so much vacation time, quips "Of course! He's a doctor!" [[spoiler: This is so funny to them because Dr. Sheehan, a.k.a. "Chuck", is in the room at the time.]]
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*** Teddy's [[spoiler: true identity]] also explains the disapproving and impatient look he gets from an orderly after the patient freaks out.
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** The Warden has a seemingly BigLippedAlligatorMoment while driving Teddy back to the asylum, in which he describes himself and Teddy as "men of violence", and generally just acts menacing. This is the warden's only dialogue scene. [[spoiler: It makes perfect sense when you understand his motives and Teddy's situation: the warden is subtly encouraging Andrew Laeddis to snap and attack someone, thereby ensuring a lobotomy.]]
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* When Teddy is talking to the guy in Ward C [[spoiler:they're actually talking about two completely different things. Teddy is talking about his fantasy, and the guy is talking about reality.]]
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** Everything Dr. Cawley tells Teddy about Rachel Solando and what she did to get incarcerated at the hospital [[spoiler: actually has to do with the case that landed ''him'' there. Drowning her children in the lake, shutting out reality, etc. Rachel Solando is also an anagram for Dolores Chanal, the name of Laeddis' dead wife.]]
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* The first person they meet in Ward C, a guard, tells them that, even though most inmates are back in the cells (after the power failure)... some may still be roaming, and warns them not to try and capture them alone, 'cause these guys will kill them. And then he ''friggin' leaves''. '''Cackling like a lunatic'''. It seemed weird to me that this guy would take so lightly what is clearly an emergency situation. Also, what was with the unsettling cackling? My first thought: he's just messing with the two noobies (they're dressed as orderlies). My second thought: he's actually an inmate who managed to steal a guard outfit, which is worrying to say the least. Turns out it's neither, but the explanation is even creepier: [[spoiler: he just finds the situation amusing because he's aware that this is all a set up scenario for schizophrenic "Teddy" to play detective]].
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*** And she does make sure to ask Chuck, [[spoiler: pardon, "Teddy's" psychiatrist]], for a glass of water, so he will get up and not see the note. If they were [[spoiler: both federal agents]], there would have been no reason for [[spoiler: trusting only one of them]], as she appears to do.
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** Teddy imediately knows that the fences in the place are eletrified.
** The guards who were supposed to be looking for Rachel Solando are shown sitting idly on the rocks next to the sea, smoking, and overall not doing their jobs.
** The guards who were supposed to be looking for Rachel Solando are shown sitting idly on the rocks next to the sea, smoking, and overall not doing their jobs.
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** When interviewing the nurse, she says that Dr. Sheehan was present at group therapy. [[spoiler: Almost immediately when she mentions him, she begins to glance over at Chuck a few times, because he is Dr. Sheehan.]]
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** It's hard to tell what was intentionally being implied, but I think it's definitely true that he had not forgotten but consciously chose [[spoiler:"dying as a good man" as Teddy Daniels instead of "living as a monster" as Andrew Laeddis]].
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** It's hard to tell what was intentionally being implied, but I think it's definitely true that he had not forgotten but consciously chose [[spoiler:"dying as a good man" as Teddy Daniels instead of "living as a monster" as Andrew Laeddis]].Laeddis]].
* When Dr. Cawley is introduced, he speaks about how he dislikes modern treatments of patients, of just giving them medication or lobotomizing them (seeing these as last resorts at best) and instead wants to cure them. First it comes off as sounding pompous, but is actually the whole reason he did everything we saw.
* When Dr. Cawley is introduced, he speaks about how he dislikes modern treatments of patients, of just giving them medication or lobotomizing them (seeing these as last resorts at best) and instead wants to cure them. First it comes off as sounding pompous, but is actually the whole reason he did everything we saw.
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** When Teddy has an episode, Crawley tries to offer him some medicine. [[spoiler: He sounds like a doctor trying to cajole an uncooperative, rather childish, patient into taking his meds, rather a newly-made professiona; acquaintance making a helpful gesture.]]
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** When Teddy has an episode, Crawley tries to offer him some medicine. [[spoiler: He sounds like a doctor trying to cajole an uncooperative, rather childish, patient into taking his meds, rather a newly-made professiona; professional acquaintance making a helpful gesture.]]
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The entire story is littered with clues that [[spoiler: Teddy is actually Andrew Laeddis, and has been a patient on the island for two years.]] Here are some of the more obvious ones:
* The very first we see of Teddy is him throwing up. He continues to suffer increasingly troubling symptoms throughout the film, including nightmares, hallucinations, and tremors, all of which seem to point to foul play on the part of the hospital staff, since they've been giving him pills. [[spoiler: Turns out the reason he's experiencing all these symptoms is because they're ''not'' giving him anything and he's been going through withdrawal.]]
* When Teddy notes that the guards seem nervous, their escort remarks: "Today, Marshal, we all are." On the first viewing, he appears to be talking about the lost patient, but is actually referring to [[spoiler: the fact that they're basically giving Andrew, ''their single most dangerous patient'', free run of the facility.]]
* When the head of security asks the Marshals to hand over their firearms, Chuck struggles to get his gun out of the holster, which seems an odd thing for a Federal Marshal to have trouble with. [[spoiler: That's because he's not a Marshal at all, but Andrew's primary psychiatrist, Dr. Sheehan.]]
* Everything Dr. Cawley tells Teddy about Rachel Solando and what she did to get incarcerated at the hospital [[spoiler: actually has to do with the case that landed ''him'' there. Drowning her children in the lake, shutting out reality, etc. Rachel Solando is also an anagram for Dolores Chanal, the name of Laeddis' dead wife.]]
* It seems strange that the nurses are all so uncooperative and downright rude when Teddy interviewed them in a group, but when you realize that [[spoiler: the nurses have had to put up with the exact same shit from Andrew for two years now]], it becomes quite brilliant story telling.
* When Teddy moves on to interviewing individual patients, he notices that they talk as though they were coached, and all of them mysteriously shut down when he asks them about Andrew Laeddis. One of them even writes him a note telling him to run. The audience is led to believe that this is because something sinister is going on at the hospital, [[spoiler: but it's actually because they don't want him to find out that he ''is'' Andrew Laeddis until much later.]]
** With one of the patients, Teddy asks her whether she'd ever heard of an Andrew Laeddis. Her reaction appears oddly emotional, which at the time we assume to be because of her nervousness of spilling the beans, [[spoiler: but she is actually upset because the real Andrew is talking to her, and he has no idea.]]
* Many of Teddy's memories of the war [[spoiler: are likely combinations of what really happened and of the event he doesn't want to remember.]]
* Slightly more subtle, but on the first viewing Chuck's character comes across as crudely written/acted hardboiled law enforcement officer, complete with cussing and a "know nothing" attitude. [[spoiler: Brilliant as we later find out that "Chuck" Lester Sheehan, who is playing the stereotypical role as much as the actor.]]
* When Teddy asks a patient about Dr. Sheehan, she becomes nervous. [[spoiler: This is because Dr. Sheehan, who is pretending to be Chuck, is sitting right next to Teddy. The patient often glances at "Chuck" when coming up with answers, and makes sure to only say good things about Sheehan.]]
* Teddy seems to trust Chuck awfully quickly, considering they only met on the ferry, even to the point where when questioned by an inmate he ''insists'' that he does. [[spoiler: When you realise that Chuck is actually Laeddis's psychiatrist who he has been seeing for 2 years, this trust becomes indicative of their relationship over that time.]]
* When confronted by the first patient he and Chuck interviewed, Teddy starts rubbing his pencil into the paper of his notebook, creating a squeaking sound, annoying him more and more until the patient cracks. [[spoiler: When it's revealed that he's actually been a patient there for 2 years, and that he would probably ''know'' the patient they interviewed, it becomes conceivable that this unique way of getting under the interviewee's skin arose from Laeddis's subconscious knowledge of the patient and what would annoy him]].
* One scene has Cawley refer to Rachel in past tense to describe her escape, and Teddy asks him why he does that. He responds with: "Why do you think?" [[spoiler: He is really referring to Dolores, the real life version of Rachel, who is dead.]]
* When one inmate Daniels is interviewing asks for a cup of water, Chuck complies. [[spoiler:In subsequent cuts the glass is there when Chuck is in frame but doesn't exist when he is not, showing Chuck isn't actually Chuck.]]
* Subtler: the first time Daniels dreams about his wife, she is burning, then bleeding from the stomach, then both.
* The very first we see of Teddy is him throwing up. He continues to suffer increasingly troubling symptoms throughout the film, including nightmares, hallucinations, and tremors, all of which seem to point to foul play on the part of the hospital staff, since they've been giving him pills. [[spoiler: Turns out the reason he's experiencing all these symptoms is because they're ''not'' giving him anything and he's been going through withdrawal.]]
* When Teddy notes that the guards seem nervous, their escort remarks: "Today, Marshal, we all are." On the first viewing, he appears to be talking about the lost patient, but is actually referring to [[spoiler: the fact that they're basically giving Andrew, ''their single most dangerous patient'', free run of the facility.]]
* When the head of security asks the Marshals to hand over their firearms, Chuck struggles to get his gun out of the holster, which seems an odd thing for a Federal Marshal to have trouble with. [[spoiler: That's because he's not a Marshal at all, but Andrew's primary psychiatrist, Dr. Sheehan.]]
* Everything Dr. Cawley tells Teddy about Rachel Solando and what she did to get incarcerated at the hospital [[spoiler: actually has to do with the case that landed ''him'' there. Drowning her children in the lake, shutting out reality, etc. Rachel Solando is also an anagram for Dolores Chanal, the name of Laeddis' dead wife.]]
* It seems strange that the nurses are all so uncooperative and downright rude when Teddy interviewed them in a group, but when you realize that [[spoiler: the nurses have had to put up with the exact same shit from Andrew for two years now]], it becomes quite brilliant story telling.
* When Teddy moves on to interviewing individual patients, he notices that they talk as though they were coached, and all of them mysteriously shut down when he asks them about Andrew Laeddis. One of them even writes him a note telling him to run. The audience is led to believe that this is because something sinister is going on at the hospital, [[spoiler: but it's actually because they don't want him to find out that he ''is'' Andrew Laeddis until much later.]]
** With one of the patients, Teddy asks her whether she'd ever heard of an Andrew Laeddis. Her reaction appears oddly emotional, which at the time we assume to be because of her nervousness of spilling the beans, [[spoiler: but she is actually upset because the real Andrew is talking to her, and he has no idea.]]
* Many of Teddy's memories of the war [[spoiler: are likely combinations of what really happened and of the event he doesn't want to remember.]]
* Slightly more subtle, but on the first viewing Chuck's character comes across as crudely written/acted hardboiled law enforcement officer, complete with cussing and a "know nothing" attitude. [[spoiler: Brilliant as we later find out that "Chuck" Lester Sheehan, who is playing the stereotypical role as much as the actor.]]
* When Teddy asks a patient about Dr. Sheehan, she becomes nervous. [[spoiler: This is because Dr. Sheehan, who is pretending to be Chuck, is sitting right next to Teddy. The patient often glances at "Chuck" when coming up with answers, and makes sure to only say good things about Sheehan.]]
* Teddy seems to trust Chuck awfully quickly, considering they only met on the ferry, even to the point where when questioned by an inmate he ''insists'' that he does. [[spoiler: When you realise that Chuck is actually Laeddis's psychiatrist who he has been seeing for 2 years, this trust becomes indicative of their relationship over that time.]]
* When confronted by the first patient he and Chuck interviewed, Teddy starts rubbing his pencil into the paper of his notebook, creating a squeaking sound, annoying him more and more until the patient cracks. [[spoiler: When it's revealed that he's actually been a patient there for 2 years, and that he would probably ''know'' the patient they interviewed, it becomes conceivable that this unique way of getting under the interviewee's skin arose from Laeddis's subconscious knowledge of the patient and what would annoy him]].
* One scene has Cawley refer to Rachel in past tense to describe her escape, and Teddy asks him why he does that. He responds with: "Why do you think?" [[spoiler: He is really referring to Dolores, the real life version of Rachel, who is dead.]]
* When one inmate Daniels is interviewing asks for a cup of water, Chuck complies. [[spoiler:In subsequent cuts the glass is there when Chuck is in frame but doesn't exist when he is not, showing Chuck isn't actually Chuck.]]
* Subtler: the first time Daniels dreams about his wife, she is burning, then bleeding from the stomach, then both.
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* The entire story is littered with clues that [[spoiler: Teddy is actually Andrew Laeddis, and has been a patient on the island for two years.]] Here are some of the more obvious ones:
* ** The very first we see of Teddy is him throwing up.up on the ferry. He continues to suffer increasingly troubling symptoms throughout the film, including nightmares, hallucinations, and tremors, all of which seem to point to foul play on the part of the hospital staff, since they've been giving him pills. [[spoiler: Turns out the reason he's experiencing all these symptoms is because they're ''not'' giving him anything and he's been going through withdrawal.]]
* ** When Teddy notes that the guards seem nervous, their escort remarks: "Today, Marshal, we all are." On the first viewing, he appears to be talking about the lost patient, but is actually referring to [[spoiler: the fact that they're basically giving Andrew, ''their single most dangerous patient'', free run of the facility.]]
* ** When the head of security asks the Marshals to hand over their firearms, Chuck struggles to get his gun out of the holster, which seems an odd thing for a Federal Marshal to have trouble with. [[spoiler: That's because he's not a Marshal at all, but Andrew's primary psychiatrist, Dr. Sheehan.]]
* ** Everything Dr. Cawley tells Teddy about Rachel Solando and what she did to get incarcerated at the hospital [[spoiler: actually has to do with the case that landed ''him'' there. Drowning her children in the lake, shutting out reality, etc. Rachel Solando is also an anagram for Dolores Chanal, the name of Laeddis' dead wife.]]
* ** It seems strange that the nurses are all so uncooperative and downright rude when Teddy interviewed them in a group, but when you realize that [[spoiler: the nurses have had to put up with the exact same shit from Andrew for two years now]], it becomes quite brilliant story telling.
* ** When Teddy moves on to interviewing individual patients, he notices that they talk as though they were coached, and all of them mysteriously shut down when he asks them about Andrew Laeddis. One of them even writes him a note telling him to run. The audience is led to believe that this is because something sinister is going on at the hospital, [[spoiler: but it's actually because they don't want him to find out that he ''is'' Andrew Laeddis until much later.]]
** *** With one of the patients, Teddy asks her whether she'd ever heard of an Andrew Laeddis. Her reaction appears oddly emotional, which at the time we assume to be because of her nervousness of spilling the beans, [[spoiler: but she is actually upset because the real Andrew is talking to her, and he has no idea.]]
* ** Many of Teddy's memories of the war [[spoiler: are likely combinations of what really happened and of the event he doesn't want to remember.]]
* ** Slightly more subtle, but on the first viewing Chuck's character comes across as crudely written/acted hardboiled law enforcement officer, complete with cussing and a "know nothing" attitude. [[spoiler: Brilliant as we later find out that "Chuck" Lester Sheehan, who is playing the stereotypical role as much as the actor.]]
* ** When Teddy asks a patient about Dr. Sheehan, she becomes nervous. [[spoiler: This is because Dr. Sheehan, who is pretending to be Chuck, is sitting right next to Teddy. The patient often glances at "Chuck" when coming up with answers, and makes sure to only say good things about Sheehan.]]
* ** Teddy seems to trust Chuck awfully quickly, considering they only met on the ferry, even to the point where when questioned by an inmate he ''insists'' that he does. [[spoiler: When you realise that Chuck is actually Laeddis's psychiatrist who he has been seeing for 2 years, this trust becomes indicative of their relationship over that time.]]
* ** When confronted by the first patient he and Chuck interviewed, Teddy starts rubbing his pencil into the paper of his notebook, creating a squeaking sound, annoying him more and more until the patient cracks. [[spoiler: When it's revealed that he's actually been a patient there for 2 years, and that he would probably ''know'' the patient they interviewed, it becomes conceivable that this unique way of getting under the interviewee's skin arose from Laeddis's subconscious knowledge of the patient and what would annoy him]].
* ** One scene has Cawley refer to Rachel in past tense to describe her escape, and Teddy asks him why he does that. He responds with: "Why do you think?" [[spoiler: He is really referring to Dolores, the real life version of Rachel, who is dead.]]
* ** When one inmate Daniels is interviewing asks for a cup of water, Chuck complies. [[spoiler:In subsequent cuts the glass is there when Chuck is in frame but doesn't exist when he is not, showing Chuck isn't actually Chuck.]]
* ** Subtler: the first time Daniels dreams about his wife, she is burning, then bleeding from the stomach, then both.both.
** Even more subtle: Teddy meets, or thinks he meets, the real Rachel Solando in the cave. [[spoiler:If she's not a hallucination or a fake, she would have had no way of knowing that the U.S. Marshals had been called in to look for her, so why does she call him "Marshal" before he says anything about what he's doing there?]]
** Even more subtle: Teddy meets, or thinks he meets, the real Rachel Solando in the cave. [[spoiler:If she's not a hallucination or a fake, she would have had no way of knowing that the U.S. Marshals had been called in to look for her, so why does she call him "Marshal" before he says anything about what he's doing there?]]
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* When Teddy notes that the guards seem nervous, their escort remarks: "Today, Marshal, we all are." On the first viewing, he appears to be talking about the lost patient, but is actually referring to [[spoiler: the fact that they're basically letting a mental patient have free rein.]]
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* When Teddy notes that the guards seem nervous, their escort remarks: "Today, Marshal, we all are." On the first viewing, he appears to be talking about the lost patient, but is actually referring to [[spoiler: the fact that they're basically letting a mental patient have giving Andrew, ''their single most dangerous patient'', free rein.run of the facility.]]
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* It seems strange that the nurses are all so uncooperative and downright rude when Teddy interviewed them in a group, but when you realise that [[spoiler: Teddy is actually mental patient, the nurses all know it and are tired of playing pretend with a crazy guy]], it becomes quite brilliant story telling.
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* It seems strange that the nurses are all so uncooperative and downright rude when Teddy interviewed them in a group, but when you realise realize that [[spoiler: Teddy is actually mental patient, the nurses all know it and are tired of playing pretend have had to put up with a crazy guy]], the exact same shit from Andrew for two years now]], it becomes quite brilliant story telling.
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* Slightly more subtle, but on the first viewing Chuck's character comes across as crudely written/acted hardboiled law enforcement officer, complete with cussing and a "know nothing" attitude. [[spoiler: Brilliant as we later find out that the Character of Chuck is really Teddy's psychiatrist Dr. Sheenan, and that the Character is playing the stereotypical role as much as the actor.]]
* When Teddy asks a patient about Dr. Sheehan, she becomes nervous. [[spoiler: This is because Dr. Sheehan, who is pretending to be Chuck, is sitting right next to Teddy. The patient often glances at Sheehan when coming up with answers, and makes sure to only say good things about him.]]
* Teddy seems to trust 'Chuck' awfully quickly, considering they only met on the ferry, even to the point where when questioned by an inmate he ''insists'' that he does. [[spoiler: When you realise that Chuck is actually Laeddis's psychiatrist who he has been seeing for 2 years, this trust becomes indicative of their relationship over that time.]]
* When Teddy asks a patient about Dr. Sheehan, she becomes nervous. [[spoiler: This is because Dr. Sheehan, who is pretending to be Chuck, is sitting right next to Teddy. The patient often glances at Sheehan when coming up with answers, and makes sure to only say good things about him.]]
* Teddy seems to trust 'Chuck' awfully quickly, considering they only met on the ferry, even to the point where when questioned by an inmate he ''insists'' that he does. [[spoiler: When you realise that Chuck is actually Laeddis's psychiatrist who he has been seeing for 2 years, this trust becomes indicative of their relationship over that time.]]
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* Slightly more subtle, but on the first viewing Chuck's character comes across as crudely written/acted hardboiled law enforcement officer, complete with cussing and a "know nothing" attitude. [[spoiler: Brilliant as we later find out that the Character of Chuck is really Teddy's psychiatrist Dr. Sheenan, and that the Character "Chuck" Lester Sheehan, who is playing the stereotypical role as much as the actor.]]
* When Teddy asks a patient about Dr. Sheehan, she becomes nervous. [[spoiler: This is because Dr. Sheehan, who is pretending to be Chuck, is sitting right next to Teddy. The patient often glances atSheehan "Chuck" when coming up with answers, and makes sure to only say good things about him.Sheehan.]]
* Teddy seems to trust'Chuck' Chuck awfully quickly, considering they only met on the ferry, even to the point where when questioned by an inmate he ''insists'' that he does. [[spoiler: When you realise that Chuck is actually Laeddis's psychiatrist who he has been seeing for 2 years, this trust becomes indicative of their relationship over that time.]]
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* One scene has Crawley Cawley refer to Rachel in past tense to describe her escape, and Teddy asks him why he does that. He responds with: "Why do you think?" [[spoiler: He is really referring to Dolores, the real life version of Rachel, who is dead.]]
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* This troper had a moment of {{fridgebrilliance}} at the end of the movie it's implied that he has forgotten everything again and has to go through with the operation. But what if HE IS JUST PRETENDING, and wants the operation to forget everything forever.
** It's hard to tell what was intentionally being implied, but I think it's definitely true that he had not forgotten everything again, but that he consciously chose [[spoiler:"dying as a good man" as Teddy Daniels instead of "living as a monster" as Andrew Laeddis]].
* In the final scene of ''ShutterIsland'', Teddy/Andrew actually remembers the proceedings of the past days, but chooses to let himself be lobotomized in order to forget once and for all. Realizing this completely changed the feel of the movie for me! -- Nonpareil
** It's hard to tell what was intentionally being implied, but I think it's definitely true that he had not forgotten everything again, but that he consciously chose [[spoiler:"dying as a good man" as Teddy Daniels instead of "living as a monster" as Andrew Laeddis]].
* In the final scene of ''ShutterIsland'', Teddy/Andrew actually remembers the proceedings of the past days, but chooses to let himself be lobotomized in order to forget once and for all. Realizing this completely changed the feel of the movie for me! -- Nonpareil
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* This troper had a moment of {{fridgebrilliance}} at At the end of the movie it's implied that he [[spoiler:Andrew has forgotten everything regressed to his "Teddy Daniels" persona again and has to go through with the operation. But what if HE IS JUST PRETENDING, and wants the operation operation, but it's equally possible that he's intentionally ''pretending'' to have regressed in order to force them to lobotomize him -- once that's done, he can forget everything forever.
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** It's hard to tell what was intentionally being implied, but I think it's definitely true that he had not forgotteneverything again, but that he consciously chose [[spoiler:"dying as a good man" as Teddy Daniels instead of "living as a monster" as Andrew Laeddis]].
* In the final scene of ''ShutterIsland'', Teddy/Andrew actually remembers the proceedings of the past days, but chooses to let himself be lobotomized in order to forget once and for all. Realizing this completely changed the feel of the movie for me! -- NonpareilLaeddis]].
** It's hard to tell what was intentionally being implied, but I think it's definitely true that he had not forgotten
* In the final scene of ''ShutterIsland'', Teddy/Andrew actually remembers the proceedings of the past days, but chooses to let himself be lobotomized in order to forget once and for all. Realizing this completely changed the feel of the movie for me! -- Nonpareil
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** It's hard to tell what was intentionally being implied, but I think it's definitely true that he had not forgotten everything again, but that he consciously chose [[spoiler:"dying as a good man" as Teddy Daniels instead of "living as a monster" as Andrew Laeddis]].
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** It's hard to tell what was intentionally being implied, but I think it's definitely true that he had not forgotten everything again, but that he consciously chose [[spoiler:"dying as a good man" as Teddy Daniels instead of "living as a monster" as Andrew Laeddis]].Laeddis]].
* In the final scene of ''ShutterIsland'', Teddy/Andrew actually remembers the proceedings of the past days, but chooses to let himself be lobotomized in order to forget once and for all. Realizing this completely changed the feel of the movie for me! -- Nonpareil
* In the final scene of ''ShutterIsland'', Teddy/Andrew actually remembers the proceedings of the past days, but chooses to let himself be lobotomized in order to forget once and for all. Realizing this completely changed the feel of the movie for me! -- Nonpareil
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** It's hard to tell what was intentionally being implied, but I think it's definitely true that he had not forgotten everything again, but that he consciously chose [["dying [[spoiler:"dying as a good man" as Teddy Daniels instead of "living as a monster" as Andrew Laeddis]].
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** It's hard to tell what was intentionally being implied, but I think it's definitely true that he had not forgotten everything again, but that he consciously chose "dying as a good man" as Teddy Daniels instead of "living as a monster" as Andrew Laeddis.
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** It's hard to tell what was intentionally being implied, but I think it's definitely true that he had not forgotten everything again, but that he consciously chose "dying [["dying as a good man" as Teddy Daniels instead of "living as a monster" as Andrew Laeddis.Laeddis]].
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* This troper had a moment of {{fridgebrilliance}} at the end of the movie it's implied that he has forgotten everything again and has to go through with the operation. But what if HE IS JUST PRETENDING, and wants the operation to forget everything forever.
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* This troper had a moment of {{fridgebrilliance}} at the end of the movie it's implied that he has forgotten everything again and has to go through with the operation. But what if HE IS JUST PRETENDING, and wants the operation to forget everything forever.forever.
** It's hard to tell what was intentionally being implied, but I think it's definitely true that he had not forgotten everything again, but that he consciously chose "dying as a good man" as Teddy Daniels instead of "living as a monster" as Andrew Laeddis.
** It's hard to tell what was intentionally being implied, but I think it's definitely true that he had not forgotten everything again, but that he consciously chose "dying as a good man" as Teddy Daniels instead of "living as a monster" as Andrew Laeddis.
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* Subtler: the first time Daniels dreams about his wife, she is burning, then bleeding from the stomach, then both.
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* Subtler: the first time Daniels dreams about his wife, she is burning, then bleeding from the stomach, then both.both.
* This troper had a moment of {{fridgebrilliance}} at the end of the movie it's implied that he has forgotten everything again and has to go through with the operation. But what if HE IS JUST PRETENDING, and wants the operation to forget everything forever.
* This troper had a moment of {{fridgebrilliance}} at the end of the movie it's implied that he has forgotten everything again and has to go through with the operation. But what if HE IS JUST PRETENDING, and wants the operation to forget everything forever.
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* However, one of the greatest aspects of FridgeBrilliance in this movie is when you watch it a second time and you see all the actions, narrations and dialogue of the characters in light of the truth that [[spoiler: Teddy is the mental patient and the entirety of the movie is a role-playing attempt to bring him back to reality.]] As a result, all subtext becomes text, and the emotional responses of the people around Teddy become instantly interpreted in a different way.
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* When Teddy is talking to the guy in Ward C [[spoiler:they're actually talking about two completely different things. Teddy is talking about his fantasy, and the guy is talking about reality.]]
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* When Teddy is talking to the guy in Ward C [[spoiler:they're actually talking about two completely different things. Teddy is talking about his fantasy, and the guy is talking about reality.]]]]
The entire story is littered with clues that [[spoiler: Teddy is actually Andrew Laeddis, and has been a patient on the island for two years.]] Here are some of the more obvious ones:
* The very first we see of Teddy is him throwing up. He continues to suffer increasingly troubling symptoms throughout the film, including nightmares, hallucinations, and tremors, all of which seem to point to foul play on the part of the hospital staff, since they've been giving him pills. [[spoiler: Turns out the reason he's experiencing all these symptoms is because they're ''not'' giving him anything and he's been going through withdrawal.]]
* When Teddy notes that the guards seem nervous, their escort remarks: "Today, Marshal, we all are." On the first viewing, he appears to be talking about the lost patient, but is actually referring to [[spoiler: the fact that they're basically letting a mental patient have free rein.]]
* When the head of security asks the Marshals to hand over their firearms, Chuck struggles to get his gun out of the holster, which seems an odd thing for a Federal Marshal to have trouble with. [[spoiler: That's because he's not a Marshal at all, but Andrew's primary psychiatrist, Dr. Sheehan.]]
* Everything Dr. Cawley tells Teddy about Rachel Solando and what she did to get incarcerated at the hospital [[spoiler: actually has to do with the case that landed ''him'' there. Drowning her children in the lake, shutting out reality, etc. Rachel Solando is also an anagram for Dolores Chanal, the name of Laeddis' dead wife.]]
* It seems strange that the nurses are all so uncooperative and downright rude when Teddy interviewed them in a group, but when you realise that [[spoiler: Teddy is actually mental patient, the nurses all know it and are tired of playing pretend with a crazy guy]], it becomes quite brilliant story telling.
* When Teddy moves on to interviewing individual patients, he notices that they talk as though they were coached, and all of them mysteriously shut down when he asks them about Andrew Laeddis. One of them even writes him a note telling him to run. The audience is led to believe that this is because something sinister is going on at the hospital, [[spoiler: but it's actually because they don't want him to find out that he ''is'' Andrew Laeddis until much later.]]
** With one of the patients, Teddy asks her whether she'd ever heard of an Andrew Laeddis. Her reaction appears oddly emotional, which at the time we assume to be because of her nervousness of spilling the beans, [[spoiler: but she is actually upset because the real Andrew is talking to her, and he has no idea.]]
* Many of Teddy's memories of the war [[spoiler: are likely combinations of what really happened and of the event he doesn't want to remember.]]
* Slightly more subtle, but on the first viewing Chuck's character comes across as crudely written/acted hardboiled law enforcement officer, complete with cussing and a "know nothing" attitude. [[spoiler: Brilliant as we later find out that the Character of Chuck is really Teddy's psychiatrist Dr. Sheenan, and that the Character is playing the stereotypical role as much as the actor.]]
* When Teddy asks a patient about Dr. Sheehan, she becomes nervous. [[spoiler: This is because Dr. Sheehan, who is pretending to be Chuck, is sitting right next to Teddy. The patient often glances at Sheehan when coming up with answers, and makes sure to only say good things about him.]]
* Teddy seems to trust 'Chuck' awfully quickly, considering they only met on the ferry, even to the point where when questioned by an inmate he ''insists'' that he does. [[spoiler: When you realise that Chuck is actually Laeddis's psychiatrist who he has been seeing for 2 years, this trust becomes indicative of their relationship over that time.]]
* When confronted by the first patient he and Chuck interviewed, Teddy starts rubbing his pencil into the paper of his notebook, creating a squeaking sound, annoying him more and more until the patient cracks. [[spoiler: When it's revealed that he's actually been a patient there for 2 years, and that he would probably ''know'' the patient they interviewed, it becomes conceivable that this unique way of getting under the interviewee's skin arose from Laeddis's subconscious knowledge of the patient and what would annoy him]].
* However, one of the greatest aspects of FridgeBrilliance in this movie is when you watch it a second time and you see all the actions, narrations and dialogue of the characters in light of the truth that [[spoiler: Teddy is the mental patient and the entirety of the movie is a role-playing attempt to bring him back to reality.]] As a result, all subtext becomes text, and the emotional responses of the people around Teddy become instantly interpreted in a different way.
* One scene has Crawley refer to Rachel in past tense to describe her escape, and Teddy asks him why he does that. He responds with: "Why do you think?" [[spoiler: He is really referring to Dolores, the real life version of Rachel, who is dead.]]
* When one inmate Daniels is interviewing asks for a cup of water, Chuck complies. [[spoiler:In subsequent cuts the glass is there when Chuck is in frame but doesn't exist when he is not, showing Chuck isn't actually Chuck.]]
* Subtler: the first time Daniels dreams about his wife, she is burning, then bleeding from the stomach, then both.
The entire story is littered with clues that [[spoiler: Teddy is actually Andrew Laeddis, and has been a patient on the island for two years.]] Here are some of the more obvious ones:
* The very first we see of Teddy is him throwing up. He continues to suffer increasingly troubling symptoms throughout the film, including nightmares, hallucinations, and tremors, all of which seem to point to foul play on the part of the hospital staff, since they've been giving him pills. [[spoiler: Turns out the reason he's experiencing all these symptoms is because they're ''not'' giving him anything and he's been going through withdrawal.]]
* When Teddy notes that the guards seem nervous, their escort remarks: "Today, Marshal, we all are." On the first viewing, he appears to be talking about the lost patient, but is actually referring to [[spoiler: the fact that they're basically letting a mental patient have free rein.]]
* When the head of security asks the Marshals to hand over their firearms, Chuck struggles to get his gun out of the holster, which seems an odd thing for a Federal Marshal to have trouble with. [[spoiler: That's because he's not a Marshal at all, but Andrew's primary psychiatrist, Dr. Sheehan.]]
* Everything Dr. Cawley tells Teddy about Rachel Solando and what she did to get incarcerated at the hospital [[spoiler: actually has to do with the case that landed ''him'' there. Drowning her children in the lake, shutting out reality, etc. Rachel Solando is also an anagram for Dolores Chanal, the name of Laeddis' dead wife.]]
* It seems strange that the nurses are all so uncooperative and downright rude when Teddy interviewed them in a group, but when you realise that [[spoiler: Teddy is actually mental patient, the nurses all know it and are tired of playing pretend with a crazy guy]], it becomes quite brilliant story telling.
* When Teddy moves on to interviewing individual patients, he notices that they talk as though they were coached, and all of them mysteriously shut down when he asks them about Andrew Laeddis. One of them even writes him a note telling him to run. The audience is led to believe that this is because something sinister is going on at the hospital, [[spoiler: but it's actually because they don't want him to find out that he ''is'' Andrew Laeddis until much later.]]
** With one of the patients, Teddy asks her whether she'd ever heard of an Andrew Laeddis. Her reaction appears oddly emotional, which at the time we assume to be because of her nervousness of spilling the beans, [[spoiler: but she is actually upset because the real Andrew is talking to her, and he has no idea.]]
* Many of Teddy's memories of the war [[spoiler: are likely combinations of what really happened and of the event he doesn't want to remember.]]
* Slightly more subtle, but on the first viewing Chuck's character comes across as crudely written/acted hardboiled law enforcement officer, complete with cussing and a "know nothing" attitude. [[spoiler: Brilliant as we later find out that the Character of Chuck is really Teddy's psychiatrist Dr. Sheenan, and that the Character is playing the stereotypical role as much as the actor.]]
* When Teddy asks a patient about Dr. Sheehan, she becomes nervous. [[spoiler: This is because Dr. Sheehan, who is pretending to be Chuck, is sitting right next to Teddy. The patient often glances at Sheehan when coming up with answers, and makes sure to only say good things about him.]]
* Teddy seems to trust 'Chuck' awfully quickly, considering they only met on the ferry, even to the point where when questioned by an inmate he ''insists'' that he does. [[spoiler: When you realise that Chuck is actually Laeddis's psychiatrist who he has been seeing for 2 years, this trust becomes indicative of their relationship over that time.]]
* When confronted by the first patient he and Chuck interviewed, Teddy starts rubbing his pencil into the paper of his notebook, creating a squeaking sound, annoying him more and more until the patient cracks. [[spoiler: When it's revealed that he's actually been a patient there for 2 years, and that he would probably ''know'' the patient they interviewed, it becomes conceivable that this unique way of getting under the interviewee's skin arose from Laeddis's subconscious knowledge of the patient and what would annoy him]].
* However, one of the greatest aspects of FridgeBrilliance in this movie is when you watch it a second time and you see all the actions, narrations and dialogue of the characters in light of the truth that [[spoiler: Teddy is the mental patient and the entirety of the movie is a role-playing attempt to bring him back to reality.]] As a result, all subtext becomes text, and the emotional responses of the people around Teddy become instantly interpreted in a different way.
* One scene has Crawley refer to Rachel in past tense to describe her escape, and Teddy asks him why he does that. He responds with: "Why do you think?" [[spoiler: He is really referring to Dolores, the real life version of Rachel, who is dead.]]
* When one inmate Daniels is interviewing asks for a cup of water, Chuck complies. [[spoiler:In subsequent cuts the glass is there when Chuck is in frame but doesn't exist when he is not, showing Chuck isn't actually Chuck.]]
* Subtler: the first time Daniels dreams about his wife, she is burning, then bleeding from the stomach, then both.
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* When Teddy[[spoiler:/Andrew]] goes in for [[spoiler:his lobotomy]], he is actually [[spoiler:consciously aware and WANTS to be lobotomised. Hence his "I'd rather die a good man than live a monster" line]].
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* When Teddy is talking to the guy in Ward C [[spoiler:they're actually talking about two completely different things. Teddy is talking about his fantasy, and the guy is talking about reality.]]
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* After spending most of the movie thinking to myself 'not another shaggy dog tale' I realised the movie was well aware of the shaggy dog nature of 'protagonist is dreaming/insane' stories, and contains at least one reference to it in the 'tag, you're it!' line.=={{Pistolero}}
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* After spending most of the movie thinking to myself 'not another shaggy dog tale' I realised the movie was well aware of the shaggy dog nature of 'protagonist is dreaming/insane' stories, and contains at least one reference to it in the 'tag, you're it!' line.=={{Pistolero}}=={{Pistolero}}
* The reason the nurses are so rude to Teddy is because [spoiler]they know he's crazy, and have heard this all before[/spoiler].
* [spoiler]When Teddy/Andrew goes in for his lobotomy, he is actually consciously aware and WANTS to be lobotomised. Hence his "I'd rather die a good man than live a monster" line[/spoiler].
* The reason the nurses are so rude to Teddy is because [spoiler]they know he's crazy, and have heard this all before[/spoiler].
* [spoiler]When Teddy/Andrew goes in for his lobotomy, he is actually consciously aware and WANTS to be lobotomised. Hence his "I'd rather die a good man than live a monster" line[/spoiler].
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** As a migraine sufferer, that bit of the movie ended up being the single most accurate portrayal of a mental phenomenon I've ever seen in any movie. The only significant difference between what is shown in the movie and what I experience, along with a portion of other migraine sufferers, is the lack of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aura_(symptom) "auras"]]. But migraines often present without them.
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* I was confused by the disorienting camera work, sudden jump-cuts and odd lighting choices. Such amateur things from Scorsese of all people? Halfway through I realized our perspective character was suffering from migraines. How do those manifest? Disorientation, noise and light sensitivity. When they were bad, the picture was bad. Realizing that really let me enjoy the movie, and it's about the only thing I'll forewarn about when I recommend the movie.
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* I was confused by the disorienting camera work, sudden jump-cuts and odd lighting choices. Such amateur things from Scorsese of all people? Halfway through I realized our perspective character was suffering from migraines. How do those manifest? Disorientation, noise and light sensitivity. When they were bad, the picture was bad. Realizing that really let me enjoy the movie, and it's about the only thing I'll forewarn about when I recommend the movie.movie.
* After spending most of the movie thinking to myself 'not another shaggy dog tale' I realised the movie was well aware of the shaggy dog nature of 'protagonist is dreaming/insane' stories, and contains at least one reference to it in the 'tag, you're it!' line.=={{Pistolero}}
* After spending most of the movie thinking to myself 'not another shaggy dog tale' I realised the movie was well aware of the shaggy dog nature of 'protagonist is dreaming/insane' stories, and contains at least one reference to it in the 'tag, you're it!' line.=={{Pistolero}}
