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** Adding on the first assassination attempt on Killbane was crippled by Matt hacking the heli they were using, forcing it to crash. It's easy to forget this detail, but given what happens it seems likely Matt was messing with the saints before Stillwater, and possibly the distance involved was the reason there was a longer delay for the vault heli than the news one.
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* The thing that prevented the Saints from getting away with the vault in the intro was Pierce losing control of the helicopter. The controls stopped responding, and at one point the helicopter started moving on its own. One of the rewards you get from completing "The Belgian Problem" is the RC Possessor, a device that, when upgraded, allows you to steal control of most vehicles in the game. Including helicopters.
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* I kinda wondered how known criminals The Saints could get sponsorship deals and reality shows and the like, then a thought occurred to me. If the world is in recession, then the Saints Row world may turn that UpToEleven be in a full blown Depression. The Great Depression being when gangsters like Al Capone were seen as Celebrities.

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* I kinda wondered how known criminals The Saints could get sponsorship deals and reality shows and the like, then a thought occurred to me. If the world is in recession, then the Saints Row world may turn that UpToEleven up to eleven be in a full blown Depression. The Great Depression being when gangsters like Al Capone were seen as Celebrities.

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* Why is Shaundi so shocked and troubled by [[spoiler: Gat's death]], despite having been present when other friends died in 2? Because back then she was constantly stoned, so the horrors of the gang warfare barely touched her mind. Likewise she hardly knew any of the other Saints members. Now she is sober and they are her friends, so unlike Boss or Pierce who are hardened against that, she is shocked.

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* Why is Shaundi so shocked and troubled by [[spoiler: Gat's death]], despite having been present when other friends died in 2? Because back then she was constantly stoned, so the horrors of the gang warfare barely touched her mind. Likewise she hardly knew any of the other Saints members. Now she is sober and they are her friends, so unlike Boss or Pierce Pierce, who are hardened against that, she is shocked.



** There's also an in-universe shade of FridgeBrilliance in regard to the anticlimatic final "fight" with [[spoiler: Killbane: He may be physically strong enough to snap Kiki's neck one handed, but he's still a showman at heart.]] Boss was playing the game when s/he [[spoiler: took him on in the ring, in order to humiliate him, which is what Angel insisted on.]] When they fight for real on the airport runway, Boss just [[spoiler: [[CombatPragmatist slams him into stuff, strikes him in the throat, and breaks his neck]]. Killbane may have been powerful and charismatic, but he wasn't as good as he thought he was, so the Boss took him out with relative ease.]] S/he's been a hardened killer for the better part of a decade, after all... maybe even longer, depending on some of the voice options.

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** There's also an in-universe shade of FridgeBrilliance in regard to the anticlimatic anti-climatic final "fight" with [[spoiler: Killbane: He may be physically strong enough to snap Kiki's neck one handed, but he's still a showman at heart.]] Boss was playing the game when s/he [[spoiler: took him on in the ring, in order to humiliate him, which is what Angel insisted on.]] When they fight for real on the airport runway, Boss just [[spoiler: [[CombatPragmatist slams him into stuff, strikes him in the throat, and breaks his neck]]. Killbane may have been powerful and charismatic, but he wasn't as good as he thought he was, so the Boss took him out with relative ease.]] S/he's been a hardened killer for the better part of a decade, after all... maybe even longer, depending on some of the voice options.


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** True. Specifically, the lyrics "Got to find a reason/ a reason things went wrong/ got to find a reason/ why my money's all gone." At this point in the game, several things have gone wrong for the Saints- they botched up their attempt at a bank robbery, due to Josh Birk's clumsiness and the SWAT team sabotaging their attempt at escaping with a helicopter, they've lost Johnny (or so they think) escaping the Syndicate's plane, and they're stranded with only a the clothes on their backs and a few weapons in a city they're new to. And as for their money? Matt Miller hacked into their bank accounts and took all of it from them.
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** Further FridgeBrilliance: the real enemy is not Loren, or Killbane or STAG, it's JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope. Gat does so in regards to gangbanging and it gets him killed. Loren does with his feud with the Saints and it gets him killed. Kiki does in antagonizing Killbane and it gets her killed. Shaundi does with Gat's death and attack on the funeral and she's kidnapped and can be killed. Monica Hughs does after the attack on Gat's funeral and makes things worse. STAG does when it imposes martial law and that makes things worse. Kia jumps off it when she goes terrorist and she's killed off. Killbane jumps off it after losing to Boss and either lose his empire or is killed. Cyrus Temple jumps off it by reacting to the terrorist attack Kia orchestrates (thinking it's the Saints) by trying to destroy Steelport, and is killed. And Boss jumps off it by going after Killbane, leading to the deaths of three friends and rather than going the more AntiHero route becomes more of a psychotic sociopath than s/he ever was in VideoGame/SaintsRow2. While the Saints does become OnlyInItForTheMoney, it's still better for everyone and less self destructive than ForTheEvulz.

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** Further FridgeBrilliance: the real enemy is not Loren, or Killbane or STAG, it's JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope. Gat does so in regards to gangbanging and it gets him killed. Loren does with his feud with the Saints and it gets him killed. Kiki does in antagonizing Killbane and it gets her killed. Shaundi does with Gat's death and attack on the funeral and she's kidnapped and can be killed. Monica Hughs Hughes does after the attack on Gat's funeral and makes things worse. STAG does when it imposes martial law and that makes things worse. Kia jumps off it when she goes terrorist and she's killed off. Killbane jumps off it after losing to Boss and either lose his empire or is killed. Cyrus Temple jumps off it by reacting to the terrorist attack Kia orchestrates (thinking it's the Saints) by trying to destroy Steelport, and is killed. And Boss jumps off it by going after Killbane, leading to the deaths of three friends and rather than going the more AntiHero route becomes more of a psychotic sociopath than s/he ever was in VideoGame/SaintsRow2. While the Saints does become OnlyInItForTheMoney, it's still better for everyone and less self destructive than ForTheEvulz.
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* Assuming that the ending of ''Saint's Row The Third: The Trouble With Clones'' DLC is canon where [[spoiler: Johnny Gat is revived/cloned to Johnny Tag]], how the hell is Boss and Pierce going to explain all this to the Saints, including [[BloodKnight Shaundi]]? Especailly after we've witnessed how she acted throughout the entire third game?

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* Assuming that the ending of ''Saint's Row The Third: The Trouble With Clones'' DLC is canon where [[spoiler: Johnny Gat is revived/cloned to Johnny Tag]], how the hell is Boss and Pierce going to explain all this to the Saints, including [[BloodKnight Shaundi]]? Especailly Especially after we've witnessed how she acted throughout the entire third game?



** The Boss is an even more violent sociopath witha history of violence comparable to Gat's, and whose worst rampages and most brutal acts of murder have been in response to people either killing their close friends or disrespecting their memory. If the Boss hadn't decided to just walk away from Jimmy in the middle of his speech, they wouldn't have thought twice about putting a bullet in his head for desecrating their best friend's memory, and then talking about it as though he were the hero of some story he was narrating.

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** The Boss is an even more violent sociopath witha with a history of violence comparable to Gat's, and whose worst rampages and most brutal acts of murder have been in response to people either killing their close friends or disrespecting their memory. If the Boss hadn't decided to just walk away from Jimmy in the middle of his speech, they wouldn't have thought twice about putting a bullet in his head for desecrating their best friend's memory, and then talking about it as though he were the hero of some story he was narrating.
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* In the story, one of Angel's training sessions to the Boss consists in making them drive a car with a tiger on the passenger seat. During the activity, one of the Boss' random lines is "where the hell Angel found a tiger, anyway!?" (paraphrased). In town, there's also billboard ads for a show named "Kitty Style - Exotic Dancer, Exotic Pussy", illustrated by the picture of a stripper riding a tiger: that's a clue there's at least one legit tiger somewhere in the city. Angel probably borrowed it from the manager of Kitty Style.

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* In the story, one of Angel's training sessions to the Boss consists in making them drive a car with a tiger on the passenger seat. During the activity, one of the Boss' random lines is "where the hell Angel found a tiger, anyway!?" (paraphrased). In town, there's also billboard ads for a show named "Kitty Style - Exotic Dancer, Dancers, Exotic Pussy", illustrated by the picture of a stripper riding a tiger: that's a clue there's at least one legit tiger somewhere in the city. Angel probably borrowed it from the manager of Kitty Style.
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* In the story, one of Angel's training sessions to the Boss consists in making them drive a car with a tiger on the passenger seat. During the activity, one of the Boss' random lines is "where the hell Angel found a tiger, anyway!?" (paraphrased). In town, there's also billboard ads for a show named "Kitty Style - Exotic Dancer, Exotic Pussy", illustrated by the picture of a stripper riding a tiger: that's a clue there's at least one legit tiger somewhere in the city. Angel probably borrowed it from the manager of Kitty Style.
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* Shaundi refers to the Luchadores ambush right after "The Belgian Problem" as "what Killbane did to Johnny's funeral", which may confuse the player: he didn't attack "a funeral" but a convoy of Saints driving to Stillwater. But then, paying closer attention to the scene shows the Boss, Shaundi, and Pierce are inside a (Saints-colored) ''hearse''. They were going back to Stillwater to perform Gat's funeral. Killbane crashed a funeral procession, and since the hearse has been wrecked in the attack, the planned funeral has indeed been aborted. While Shaundi's line is probably a left-over from a previous version of the storyline (it was initially supposed to be a shoot-out in a church during a proper funeral), it still makes sense.

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* Shaundi refers to the Luchadores ambush right after "The Belgian Problem" as "what Killbane did to Johnny's funeral", which may confuse the player: he didn't attack "a funeral" but a convoy of Saints driving to Stillwater. Stilwater. But then, paying closer attention to the scene shows the Boss, Shaundi, Boss and Pierce are inside a (Saints-colored) ''hearse''. ''hearse''; Shaundi witnessed the event from another vehicle in the same convoy. They were going back to Stillwater Stilwater to perform Gat's funeral. Killbane crashed a funeral procession, and since the hearse has been wrecked in the attack, the planned funeral has indeed been aborted. While Shaundi's line is probably a left-over from a previous version of the storyline (it was initially supposed to be a shoot-out in a church during a proper funeral), it still makes sense.
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* Shaundi refers to the Luchadores ambush right after "The Belgian Problem" as "what Killbane did to Johnny's funeral", which may confuse the player: he didn't attack "a funeral" but a convoy of Saints driving to Stillwater. But then, paying closer attention to the scene shows the Boss, Shaundi, and Pierce are inside a (Saints-colored) ''hearse''. They were going back to Stillwater to perform Gat's funeral. Killbane crashed a funeral procession, and since the hearse has been wrecked in the attack, the planned funeral has indeed been aborted. While Shaundi's line is probably a left-over from a previous version of the storyline (it was initially supposed to be a shoot-out in a church during a proper funeral), it still makes sense.
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* Why do the Morningstars suddenly disappear from the story after "The Ho Boat"? Because, by this point, they have lost their initial leader (Phillipe Loren, killed during "The Belgian Problem"), one of their main headquarter (Loren's skyscraper, either taken by the Saints or blown up at completion of "The Belgian Problem"), the other major base of operation (the Safeword brothel, taken by the Saints at completion of "Pimps Up, Hos Down"), one of their new leaders (Kiki [=DeWynter=]) has been murdered by Killbane while the other one (Viola [=DeWynter=]) defects to the Saints right after "The Ho Boat". In "The Ho Boat", the prostitutes' cargo seized by the Saints represents another problem to the Syndicate, as the Morningstars either lose ''another'' source of income or the Syndicate apys an important sum of money to get them back. In other words, once you completed "The Ho Boat", the Morningstars have lost all their leaders, their main bases of operation and headquarters, their major income sources, and that's not counting the territories the Saints may have taken in free-roam mode. The Morningstars no longer appear in story missions because they have been crippled enough to no longer be relevant to the Syndicate.
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* One would wonder why HulkHogan would voice Angel rather then Killbane, then it hits you when you realized that Hogan is basically playing the character he has been playing for the past decade: the aging pro-wreslter who loves the spotlight and would do anything to get back into the ring.

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* One would wonder why HulkHogan Wrestling/HulkHogan would voice Angel rather then Killbane, then it hits you when you realized that Hogan is basically playing the character he has been playing for the past decade: the aging pro-wreslter who loves the spotlight and would do anything to get back into the ring.
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** Well, that and Boss saw what happened to the previous attempt in the DLC of the same name. The director was an abusive moron that flat-out ignored his movie's source material, resulting in a project that had nothing to do with ''Gangstas In Space'' apart from the name and Boss's involvement. By the end Boss had developed a clear dislike to both the director and the movie because of that lack of respect for the property Gat was involved in. After that, the Boss would want to scrap everything to do with Andy Zhen's production and make his own movie that's actually based on the comic book out of respect for Johnny.

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** Well, that and Boss saw what happened to the previous attempt in the DLC of the same name. The director was an abusive moron that flat-out ignored threw away whole reams of his movie's source material, material without a second thought, resulting in a project that had nothing to do with ''Gangstas In Space'' apart from the name and Boss's involvement. By the end Boss had developed a clear dislike to both the director and the movie because of that lack of respect for the property Gat was involved in. After that, the Boss would want to scrap everything to do with Andy Zhen's production and make his own movie that's actually based on the comic book out of respect for Johnny.
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* Why is the Powder gunshop only a story-related place and unusable as an actual gunshop in free roam mode? Because it belongs to the Morningstars, so the Boss probably assumed that, after antagonizing Loren when the Saints arrived in Steelport, they would be PersonaNonGrata in the Syndicate's own stores.
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** There's also MissingWhiteWomanSyndrome with the fact Jessica Temple is the daughter of two upper-class suburbanites.

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** There's also MissingWhiteWomanSyndrome with the fact Jessica Temple Parish is the daughter of two upper-class suburbanites.
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Just got inspired by the above entry and had a eureka moment.

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** During this scene, Killbane is in the one place where he's both totally in control and surrounded by people who respect and fear him. It's the center of his criminal empire and also where his celebrity status is most evident (asides from Murderbrawl). Matt also didn't repeatedly mouth off to Killbane and didn't keep calling him Eddie like Kiki did. It's just as much about Matt being in a public place as it is about Killbane being surrounded by his success, while Matt is being obviously terrified and avoiding Killbane's BerserkButton. It satisfies his ego enough that he's totally fine with Matt walking out on him.
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* Every Decker outfit has a strange set of tiles across the back of the jacket. They're *solar panels*, letting them keep the lines on their suits glowing and whatever gizmos they carry with them charged.

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* Every Decker outfit has a strange set of tiles across the back of the jacket. They're *solar panels*, ''solar panels'', letting them keep the lines on their suits glowing and whatever gizmos they carry with them charged.
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* Every Decker outfit has a strange set of tiles across the back of the jacket. They're *solar panels*, letting them keep the lines on their suits glowing and whatever gizmos they carry with them charged.
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* "This is a rescue, right? This isn't some elaborate setup for a gangbang?" Zimos' first line and FunnyMoment is actually not that far off the mark; his rescue is part of an elaborate setup mission for the four-on-one clusterfuck that's about to ensue between the Saints, the Syndicate gangs, and STAG.

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* "This is a rescue, right? This isn't some elaborate setup for a gangbang?" Zimos' first line and FunnyMoment SugarWiki/{{Funny Moment|s}} is actually not that far off the mark; his rescue is part of an elaborate setup mission for the four-on-one clusterfuck that's about to ensue between the Saints, the Syndicate gangs, and STAG.
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** They might also approve the cold pragmatism of the Boss. Killbane is still the head of the Syndicate and while the once ruling force of Steelport's criminal world is merely a shadow of its former self, they ''know'' Killbane might become an even bigger problem if he had escaped.
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--> Shaundi: ...''what the'' '''''fuck'''''?

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--> Shaundi: ...''what the'' '''''fuck'''''?'''''fuck'''''?
* Jimmy is very, ''very'' lucky that his stupidity didn't get him killed in ''The Trouble With Clones''.
** Under all the glitz and glamour of the Saints' media empire, Johnny Gat is still an ultra-violent sociopath with a body count to compete with most historical warlords. Jimmy's plan was to make a clone of this man in his bedroom using inexact science and a cloning machine he very likely built himself, with no safeguards at all to keep the Gat clone from murdering his ass on the spot.
** The Boss is an even more violent sociopath witha history of violence comparable to Gat's, and whose worst rampages and most brutal acts of murder have been in response to people either killing their close friends or disrespecting their memory. If the Boss hadn't decided to just walk away from Jimmy in the middle of his speech, they wouldn't have thought twice about putting a bullet in his head for desecrating their best friend's memory, and then talking about it as though he were the hero of some story he was narrating.
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* Boss telling Jenny to break script rather than attempt Zhen's dumbass jump makes sense when you realize s/he's been the protagonist of two other ''Saints Row'' games before ''The Third''. Boss has been pursued enough times in the past to know how to shake a tail. Andy Zhen has not. When Boss has five-star Notoriety and the only forces in pursuit are aircraft, jumping the vehicle into a river does nothing but make Boss an easy target for the aircraft. Driving into a tunnel and waiting for the Notoriety to clear is a much more viable strategy.

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* Boss telling Jenny to break script rather than attempt Zhen's dumbass jump makes sense when you realize s/he's that Boss has been the protagonist of two other ''Saints Row'' games before ''The Third''. Boss has been pursued enough times in the past to know how to shake a tail. experience with Notoriety pursuits that Andy Zhen has does not. When Boss has They know what it takes to make a vehicle jump over water[[note]]A ramp and Nitro. There is no ramp, the Bulldog doesn't have Nitro, and Jenny doesn't have Boss's Upgrade to give Nitro to every vehicle she drives[[/note]], and what to do when they have five-star Notoriety and the only forces in pursuit are aircraft, jumping the vehicle into a river does nothing but make Boss an easy target for the aircraft. Driving aircraft chasing them.[[note]]Drive into a tunnel where said aircraft can't reach you and waiting wait for the Notoriety to clear is a much more viable strategy.
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* Boss telling Jenny to break script rather than attempt Zhen's dumbass jump makes sense when you realize s/he's been the protagonist of two other ''Saints Row'' games before ''The Third''. Boss has been pursued enough times in the past to know how to shake a tail. Andy Zhen has not. When Boss has five-star Notoriety and the only forces in pursuit are aircraft, jumping the vehicle into a river does nothing but make Boss an easy target for the aircraft. Driving into a tunnel and waiting for the Notoriety to clear is a much more viable strategy.
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* The song "Lovin' Is What I Got" is actually quite apropos to this game, if you look at the lyrics and compare them to what's just happened and where the Saints are in the story at the time Boss and Pierce sing along to it.
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** Further FridgeBrilliance: the real enemy is not Loren, or Killbane or STAG, it's JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope. Gat does so in regards to gangbanging and it gets him killed. Loren does with his feud with the Saints and it gets him killed. Kiki does in antagonizing Killbane and it gets her killed. Shaundi does with Gat's death and attack on the funeral and she's kidnapped and can be killed. Monica Hughs does after the attack on Gat's funeral and makes things worse. STAG does when it imposes martial law and that makes things worse. Kia jumps off it when she goes terrorist and she's killed off. Killbane jumps off it after losing to Boss and either lose his empire or is killed. Cyrus Temple jumps off it by reacting to the terrorist attack Kia orchestrates (thinking it's the Saints) by trying to destroy Steelport, and is killed. And Boss jumps off it by going after Killbane, leading to the deaths of three friends and rather than going the more AntiHero route becomes more of a psychotic sociopath than s/he ever was in VideoGame/SaintsRow2. While the Saints does become OnlyInitForTheMoney, it's still better for everyone and less self destructive than ForTheEvulz.

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** Further FridgeBrilliance: the real enemy is not Loren, or Killbane or STAG, it's JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope. Gat does so in regards to gangbanging and it gets him killed. Loren does with his feud with the Saints and it gets him killed. Kiki does in antagonizing Killbane and it gets her killed. Shaundi does with Gat's death and attack on the funeral and she's kidnapped and can be killed. Monica Hughs does after the attack on Gat's funeral and makes things worse. STAG does when it imposes martial law and that makes things worse. Kia jumps off it when she goes terrorist and she's killed off. Killbane jumps off it after losing to Boss and either lose his empire or is killed. Cyrus Temple jumps off it by reacting to the terrorist attack Kia orchestrates (thinking it's the Saints) by trying to destroy Steelport, and is killed. And Boss jumps off it by going after Killbane, leading to the deaths of three friends and rather than going the more AntiHero route becomes more of a psychotic sociopath than s/he ever was in VideoGame/SaintsRow2. While the Saints does become OnlyInitForTheMoney, OnlyInItForTheMoney, it's still better for everyone and less self destructive than ForTheEvulz.
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* Why is Shaundi so shocked and troubled by [[spoiler: Gat's death]], despite having been present when other friends died in 2? Because back than she was constantly stoned, so the horrors of the gang warfare barely touched her mind. Likewise she hardly knew any of the other Saints members. Now she is sober and they are her friends, so unlike Boss or Pierce who are hardened against that, she is shocked.

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* Why is Shaundi so shocked and troubled by [[spoiler: Gat's death]], despite having been present when other friends died in 2? Because back than then she was constantly stoned, so the horrors of the gang warfare barely touched her mind. Likewise she hardly knew any of the other Saints members. Now she is sober and they are her friends, so unlike Boss or Pierce who are hardened against that, she is shocked.
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* Later in the story when Matt Miller quits the Syndicate, Killbane just lets him go. Why? Matt had the good sense to talk to Killbane in the Three Count Casino, a public place blanketed with security cameras, so there's no practical way Killbane could have killed Matt even though he was clearly thinking about it. Even though Killbane owns the place there would have been too much covering-up to do to make killing Matt worth it, so he had to let him go.
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* "This is a rescue, right? This isn't some elaborate setup for a gangbang?" Zimos' first line and FunnyMoment is actually not that far off the mark; his rescue is part of an elaborate setup mission the four-on-one clusterfuck that's about to ensue, with STAG and the three Syndicate gangs on one side and the Saints on the other.

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* "This is a rescue, right? This isn't some elaborate setup for a gangbang?" Zimos' first line and FunnyMoment is actually not that far off the mark; his rescue is part of an elaborate setup mission for the four-on-one clusterfuck that's about to ensue, with STAG and ensue between the three Saints, the Syndicate gangs on one side gangs, and the Saints on the other.
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* "This is a rescue, right? This isn't some elaborate setup for a gangbang?" Zimos' first line and FunnyMoment is actually not that far off the mark; his rescue is part of an elaborate setup mission for what will soon become a four-on-one clusterfuck with STAG and the three Syndicate gangs on one side and the Saints on the other.

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* "This is a rescue, right? This isn't some elaborate setup for a gangbang?" Zimos' first line and FunnyMoment is actually not that far off the mark; his rescue is part of an elaborate setup mission for what will soon become a the four-on-one clusterfuck that's about to ensue, with STAG and the three Syndicate gangs on one side and the Saints on the other.

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** How was that managed, though? [[spoiler: It's deep in Morningstar territory, and it's decorated using Morningstar red instead of Decker cyan. Nobody's going to suspect the Gothedral of being the base of operations for a gang of cybercriminals if they think it's just another Morningstar whorehouse.]]

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** How was that managed, though? [[spoiler: It's deep decorated in red and close enough to Morningstar territory, and it's decorated using turf to look like a Morningstar red instead of Decker cyan. property. Nobody's going to suspect the Gothedral of being the base of operations for a gang of teenage punk cybercriminals if they think it's just another Morningstar whorehouse.]]

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