History Fridge / SaintsRow2

* If you listen to the dialogue surrounding it, Johnny Gat's trial isn't to convict him. He was already convicted and sentenced to death. This was an ''appeal'' hearing to correct the number of murders he should've been executed for, using an argument that he should've known would never fly in any court, no matter how corrupt. What in the hell ''was'' Gat doing? Engineering his own rescue. Johnny knows Boss won't stay in jail, and that their escape would trigger a prison lockdown and make it more difficult for Boss to rescue Johnny before he got the chair. A little off-the-books lawyering from Legal Lee got Johnny an appeal to move him to the less-secure courthouse, and then leaked the story to the press. Now all Johnny has to do is stall long enough for Boss to see the round-the-clock news coverage and come bail him out.

* If you listen to the dialogue surrounding it, Johnny Gat's trial isn't to convict him. He was already convicted and sentenced to death. This was an ''appeal'' hearing to correct the number of murders he should've been executed for, using an argument that he should've known would never fly in any court, no matter how corrupt. What in the hell ''was'' Gat doing? Engineering his own rescue. Johnny knows Boss won't stay in jail. A little off-the-books lawyering from Legal Lee got Johnny an appeal to move him to a less-secure courthouse, and then leaked the story to the press. Now all Johnny has to do is stall long enough for Boss to see the round-the-clock news coverage and come bail him out.

* If you listen to the dialogue surrounding it, Johnny Gat's trial isn't to convict him. He was already convicted and sentenced to death. This was an ''appeal'' hearing to correct the number of murders he should've been executed for, using an argument that he should've known would never fly in any court, no matter how corrupt. What in the hell ''was'' Gat doing in that hearing? ''Running a BatmanGambit.'' Before the trial, Johnny was an inmate on death row at Stilwater Penitentiary, where Boss was being held while they were in a coma. That puts Johnny among the first to know Boss had woken up, along with Carlos (In fact, it's the first thing Johnny ribs Boss about as soon as they meet!). After Boss and Carlos escaped, Johnny had Legal Lee demand an appeal, which moved Johnny out of the now-on-lockdown prison and into the not-on-lockdown courthouse. A little off-the-books lawyering from Lee leaked the story to the press, which did what the press always does with stories about violent criminals being violent and spun it up into a full-blown breaking-news media circus with round-the-clock coverage. After that, Johnny just had to stall the court long enough for Boss to see the story on the news and come bail him out.

* Shaundi gets a bit of flak for being a poor fighter and for her incompetence during the Sons of Samedi arc that nearly gets her killed. However, if you think about it, this is because she is constantly stoned and shagged out. A lot of jokes are made about the ridiculous amount of boyfriends she's had and more about her being baked. As shown in the same arc, when the Boss is drugged, they can't fight well either.

* When you think about it, Mr. Sunshine sending the junkies to steal drugs from the Saints was a pretty clever XanatosGambit. The junkies are fully devoted to getting their drugs, and will kill or die for them. Which means the Saints will have to either kill their most dedicated customer base or lose their product and a good deal of business (as the junkies will have pretty much everything they need). Considering that they can't really earn money through the dead-beat Brotherhood, and the protected cash of the Ronin, it could have almost stopped the Saints in their tracks.

* When you think about it, Mr. Sunshine sending the junkies to steal drugs from the Saints was a pretty clever XanatosGambit. The junkies are fully devoted to getting their drugs, and will kill or die for them. Which means the Saints will have to either kill their most dedicated customer base or lose their product and a good deal of business (as the junkies will have pretty much everything they need). Considering that they can't really earn money through the dead-beat Brotherhood, and the protected cash of the Ronin, it could have almost stopped the Saints in their tracks.

* The Sons of Samedi are the only rival gang that are not directly in Ultor's pockets. Fitting, considering that the gang mostly operates through the drug industry rather than racketeering, aren't as organized as the other three gangs, are already implied to be making enough money through their own Loa Dust distribution and Veteran Child's [=DJing=], and that The General and Mr. Sunshine prefer to get their hands dirty in comparison to Shogo and Maero. They're mainly held in check by the other two gangs rather than any orders on Ultor's part, which suits Vogel's objectives just fine.

* The Sons of Samedi are the only rival gang that are not in Ultor's pockets. Fitting, considering that the gang mostly operates through the drug industry rather than racketeering, aren't as organized as the other three gangs, are already implied to be making enough money through Loa Dust distributon and Veteran Child's DJing, and that The General and Mr. Sunshine prefer to get their hands dirty in comparison to Shogo and Maero.

* If you listen to the dialogue surrounding it, Johnny Gat's trial isn't to convict him. He was already convicted and sentenced to death. This was an ''appeal'' hearing to correct the number of murders he should've been executed for, using an argument that he should've known would never fly in any court, no matter how corrupt. What in the hell ''was'' Gat doing in that hearing? ''Running a BatmanGambit.'' Before the trial, Johnny was an inmate on death row at Stilwater Penitentiary, where Boss was being held while they were in a coma. That puts Johnny among the first to know Boss had woken up, along with Carlos (In fact, it's the first thing Johnny ribs Boss about as soon as they meet!). After Boss and Carlos escaped, Johnny had Legal Lee demand an appeal, which moved Johnny out of the now-on-lockdown prison and into the not-on-lockdown courthouse. A little off-the-books lawyering from Lee leaked the story to the press, which did what the press always does with stories about violent criminals being violent and spun it up into a full-blown breaking-news media circus with round-the-clock coverage. After that, Johnny just had to stall the court long enough for Boss to see the story on the news and come bail him out.

* Julius' fatherly relationship to the Boss and his sudden betrayal seem like they came out of nowhere. Then I realized, Julius had been captured by the cops and they had him dead to rights. All of the stuff about cleaning up the Row was just justification for the fact that he was always in it for himself.
** It's further backed up by the fact Julius is taking over the Colombian Drug Trade when the Vice Kings consider it a MoralEventHorizon.
* Shaundi gets a bit of flak because she was a poor fighter in the second game. However, if you think about it, this is because she was constantly stoned and shagged out. A lot of jokes are made about the ridiculous amount of boyfriends she's had. Numerous references are made about her drug habits (including one phone message about being really baked), and when Boss is drugged, they can't fight well either. So you have someone firing a Kalashnikov while higher than a kite.

* In addition to using the same colors as the three Stilwater gangs, the lyrics to the song "Karma Chameleon" also reference the plot between the Ultor Corporation and Third Street Saints. "Lovin' would be easy if your colors were like my dreams: Red, gold and green". Ultor's takeover of Stilwater would've gone off without a hitch if the Saints had been as easy to control as the Brotherhood, Ronin, and Sons of Samedi.

* If you listen to the dialogue surrounding it, Johnny Gat's trial isn't to convict him. He was already convicted and sentenced to death. This was an ''appeal'' hearing to correct the number of murders he should've been executed for, using an argument that he should've known would never fly in any court, no matter how corrupt. What in the hell ''was'' Gat doing in that hearing? ''Running a BatmanGambit.'' Before the trial, Johnny was an inmate on death row Stilwater Penitentiary, where Boss was being held while they were in a coma. That puts Johnny among the first to know Boss had woken up, along with Carlos (In fact, it's the first thing Johnny ribs Boss about as soon as they meet!). After Boss and Carlos escaped, Johnny had Legal Lee demand an appeal, which moved Johnny out of the now-on-lockdown prison and into the not-on-lockdown courthouse. A little off-the-books lawyering from Lee leaked the story to the press, which did what the press always does with stories about violent criminals being violent and spun it up into a full-blown breaking-news media circus with round-the-clock coverage. After that, Johnny just had to stall the court long enough for Boss to see the story on the news and come bail him out.

* If you listen to the dialogue surrounding it, Johnny Gat's trial isn't to convict him. He was already convicted and sentenced to death. This was an ''appeal'' hearing to correct the number of murders he should've been executed for, using an argument that he should've known would never fly in any court, no matter how corrupt. What in the hell ''was'' Gat doing in that hearing? ''Running a BatmanGambit.'' Before the trial, Johnny was an inmate on death row at the same prison holding Boss while they were in a coma (which is also the only prison in Stilwater). That puts Johnny among the first to know Boss had woken up, along with Carlos (In fact, it's the first thing Johnny ribs Boss about as soon as they meet!). After Boss and Carlos escaped, Johnny had Legal Lee demand an appeal, which moved Johnny out of the now-on-lockdown prison and into the not-on-lockdown courthouse. A little off-the-books lawyering from Lee leaked the story to the press, which did what the press always does with stories about violent criminals being violent and spun it up into a full-blown breaking-news media circus with round-the-clock coverage. After that, Johnny just had to stall the court long enough for Boss to see the story on the news and come bail him out.

* If you listen to the dialogue surrounding it, Johnny Gat's trial isn't to convict him. He was already convicted and sentenced to death. This was an ''appeal'' hearing to correct the number of murders he should've been executed for, using an argument that he should've known would never fly in any court, no matter how corrupt. What in the hell ''was'' Gat doing in that hearing? ''Running a BatmanGambit.'' Before the trial, Johnny was an inmate on death row at the same prison holding Boss while they were in a coma (which is also the only prison in Stilwater). That puts Johnny among the first to know Boss had woken up, along with Carlos (In fact, it's the first thing Johnny ribs Boss about as soon as they meet!). After Boss and Carlos escaped, Johnny had Legal Lee demand an appeal, which moves Johnny out of the now-on-lockdown prison and into the not-on-lockdown courthouse. The story gets leaked to the press, which does what the press always does with stories about violent criminals being violent and spins it into a full-blown breaking-news media circus with round-the-clock coverage. After that, Johnny just has to stall the court long enough for Boss to see the story on the news and come running to bail him out.

* If you listen to the dialogue surrounding it, Johnny Gat's trial isn't to convict him. He was already convicted and sentenced to death. This was an ''appeal'' hearing to correct the number of murders he should've been executed for, using an argument that he should've known would never fly in any court, no matter how corrupt. What in the hell ''was'' Gat doing in that hearing? ''Running a BatmanGambit.'' He'd just been in the only prison in Stilwater, which Boss and Carlos had just escaped from. That puts Johnny among the first to know Boss had woken up, along with Carlos (In fact, it's the first thing Johnny ribs Boss about as soon as they meet!). However, the prison was locked down too tightly for him to escape with them. So Johnny had Legal Lee demand an appeal, which moves Johnny out of the prison and into the not-on-lockdown courthouse. The story gets leaked to the press, which does what the press always does with stories about violent criminals being violent and spins it into a full-blown breaking-news media circus with round-the-clock coverage. After that, Johnny just has to stall the court long enough for Boss to see the story on the news and come running to bail him out.

* If you listen to the dialogue surrounding it, Johnny Gat's trial isn't to convict him. He was already convicted and sentenced to death. This was an ''appeal'' hearing to correct the number of murders he should've been executed for, using an argument that he should've known would never fly in any court, no matter how corrupt. What in the hell ''was'' Gat doing in that hearing? ''Running a BatmanGambit.'' He'd just been in the only prison in Stilwater, which Boss and Carlos had just escaped from. That puts Johnny among the first to know Boss had woken up, along with Carlos. However, the prison was locked down too tightly for him to escape with them. So Johnny had Legal Lee demand an appeal, which moves Johnny out of the prison and into the not-on-lockdown courthouse. The story gets leaked to the press, which does what the press always does with stories about violent criminals being violent and spins it into a full-blown breaking-news media circus with round-the-clock coverage. After that, Johnny just has to stall the court long enough for Boss to see the story on the news and come running to bail him out.

* If you listen to the dialogue surrounding it, Johnny Gat's trial isn't to convict him. He was already convicted and sentenced to death. This was an ''appeal'' hearing to correct the number of murders he should've been executed for, using an argument that he should've known would never fly in any court, no matter how corrupt. In fact, Legal Lee even seemed more than a little confused about what the hell Gat was doing there. Gat was running a BatmanGambit. Just like Carlos, Johnny Gat was an inmate at Stilwater Penitentiary, and among the first people to know Boss had woken up. But after Boss breaks out, the prison goes on lockdown while the guards restore order. So Johnny has Lee demand an appeal, which moves Johnny out of the prison and into the not-on-lockdown courthouse. The story gets leaked to the press, which does what the press always does with stories about violent criminals being violent and spins it into a full-blown breaking-news media circus with round-the-clock coverage. After that, Johnny just has to stall the court long enough for Boss to see the story on the news and come running to bail him out. Proof that Johnny Gat can be quite the MagnificentBastard when he's not busy killing and blowing shit up.

* If you listen to the dialogue surrounding it, Johnny Gat's trial isn't to convict him. He was already convicted and sentenced to death. This was an ''appeal'' hearing to correct the number of murders he should've been executed for, using an argument that he should've known would never fly in any court, no matter how corrupt. In fact, Legal Lee even seemed more than a little confused about what the hell Gat was doing there. Gat was running a BatmanGambit. Just like Carlos, Johnny Gat was among the first people to know Boss had woken up. But after Boss breaks out, the Stilwater Penitentiary goes on lockdown while the guards restore order. So Gat has Lee demand an appeal, which moves Johnny out of the prison and into the less-secure courthouse. The story gets leaked to the media, which does what the media always does with stories about violent criminals being violent and spins it into a full-blown breaking-news circus with round-the-clock coverage. After that, Johnny just has to stall the court long enough for Boss to see the story on the news and come running to bail him out. Proof that Johnny Gat can be quite the MagnificentBastard when he's not busy killing and blowing shit up.

* If you listen to the dialogue surrounding it, Johnny Gat's trial isn't to convict him. He was already convicted and sentenced. This was an ''appeal'' hearing to correct the number of murders he should've been convicted for, using an argument that he should've known would never fly in court. In fact, Legal Lee even seemed more than a little confused about what the hell Gat was doing there. But wait a minute, though...where's Gat been before this hearing? On death row, which would be in the only prison in Stilwater, where Boss has also been. If Carlos was among the first to hear that the Boss had woken up from their coma, so was Gat. But after Boss breaks out, the Stilwater Penitentiary is going to be on lockdown while the guards restore order. So Gat set up a BatmanGambit; he'd have Lee demand an appeal, which would take Johnny out of the prison and move him to the less-secure courthouse. Leak news of the appeal to the news media, and they'll do what the news media always does with stories about violent criminals: spin it into a full-on breaking-news media circus with round-the-clock coverage. Then Johnny just has to stall the court long enough for the Boss to see the news reports and come running to the courthouse to bail him out.

* If you listen to the dialogue surrounding it, Johnny Gat's trial isn't to convict him. He was already convicted and sentenced. This was an ''appeal'' hearing. What was Johnny appealing? To correct the number of murders he should've been convicted for, using an argument that he should've known would never fly in court. In fact, Legal Lee even seemed more than a little confused about what the hell Gat was doing there. But wait a minute, though...where's Gat been before this hearing? On death row, which would be in the only prison in Stilwater, where Boss has also been. If Carlos was among the first to hear that the Boss had woken up from their coma, so was Gat. But after Boss breaks out, the Stilwater Penitentiary is going to be on lockdown while the guards restore order. So Gat set up a BatmanGambit; he'd demand an appeal, which would take him out of the prison and move him to the less-secure courthouse, giving the news media something juicy and high-profile to report on in the process. The Boss would see the report and come running to the courthouse to save Johnny; he would just need to stall the court long enough for Boss to get there.

* In addition to using the same colors as the three Stilwater gangs, the lyrics to the song "Karma Chameleon" also reference the plot between the Ultor Corporation and Third Street Saints. "Lovin' would be easy if your colors were like my dreams: Red, gold and green". Ultor's takeover of Stilwater would've gone off without a hitch if the Saints had been as easy to control as the Brotherhood, Ronin, and Sons of Samedi.

* When speaking to Jane Valderamma before starting a Mayhem, she claims that one Zach Johnson is stealing her spotlight, being a "nut-job lawyer who gets hard at the idea of a lawsuit". She goes on to state that he's "[[MoralGuardians been crusading against media he deems to be offensive]]" and that he "makes a big enough ass out of himself that whenever he pulls some stunt, people listen". When the Protagonist asks her if he has a lot of support, she responds "Not really". Now let's stop and think: Who does this sound like? Need a hint? The name rhymes with someone... The question is... who? [[spoiler: [[DontExplainTheJoke It's]] [[StealthInsult Jack Thompson.]]]]

* Julius's fatherly relationship to the Boss and his sudden betrayal seem like they came out of nowhere. Then I realized, Julius had been captured by the cops and they had him dead to rights. All of the stuff about cleaning up the Row was just justification for the fact that he was always in it for himself.
** It's further backed up by the fact Julius is taking over the Columbian Drug Trade when the Vice Kings consider it a MoralEventHorizon.
* Shaundi gets a bit of flak because she was a poor fighter in the second game. However, if you think about it, this is because she was constantly stoned and shagged out. A lot of jokes are made about the ridiculous amount of boyfriends she's had. Numerous references are made about her drug habits (including one phone message about being really baked) and when Boss is drugged, he/she can't fight well either. So you have someone firing a Kalashnikov while higher than a kite.