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* With recent revelations in Episode 8, one has to wonder the following: Where did Charlotte's Grief Seed in episode 3 come from?
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* With recent revelations in Episode 8, one has to wonder the following: Where did Charlotte's Grief Seed in episode 3 come from?from?
** [[WildMassGuessing Charlotte lost/discarded her Soul Gem in that area, and it built up negativity over time?]]
** [[WildMassGuessing Charlotte lost/discarded her Soul Gem in that area, and it built up negativity over time?]]
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* For a long time, this troper thought that "Puella Magi" as a mistranslation, the product of someone at Shaft not brushing up on their dictionary skills enough. Given the Japanese title of the show, this troper still isn't certain that that isn't the case. But one thing that's starting to sway this troper away from that point of view is remembering that 'magus', the adjective in question, has a double-meaning - it may obviously be the root of 'magicus', whence we get our word 'magic' and all words related thereto, but it itself originally meant 'wise' i.e. the wise men of primitive tribes or of priesthoods, who naturally cultivated a certain air of mysticism around them and, thus, magic. Now to return to 'Puella Magi'. Given that 'Magi' is an adjective which doesn't agree with anything else in the title, it should be taken to mean 'of the Wise Man'. Or, alternatively, 'of Wiseman'. Now [[ShoutOut who]] [[SailorMoonVillains does that remind]] [[FridgeHorror you of...?]]
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*** [[spoiler:[[HigurashiNoNakuKoroNi Rika]]]] would be proud.
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* So after Kyuubey [[spoiler: is killed (temporarily)]] by Homura in episode 8, he suddenly seems to remember that she's done it once before. This seems a little incongruous at first, but the reality is: he didn't suddenly just remember. He always knew; he just isn't being coy any more. Why not? Because he's ''mad as '''Hell''''' (no pun intended). His voice has barely changed, his expression (of course *shudder* ) hasn't changed, but nevertheless he's furious. He just doesn't show it in was we easily recognise because he's an otherworldly creature; if he were human, he'd probably be frothing at the mouth right now. And can you blame him? He was [[spoiler: about to get Madoka to contract with him, which everything would indicate represents pretty much total victory for him - not surprising considering what Magical Girls, especially those not disposed to becoming cynical and self-interested, which almost certainly includes Madoka]]. This troper would certainly be more than a little miffed if he'd just been denied that.
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* So after Kyuubey [[spoiler: is killed (temporarily)]] by Homura in episode 8, he suddenly seems to remember that she's done it once before. This seems a little incongruous at first, but the reality is: he didn't suddenly just remember. He always knew; he just isn't being coy any more. Why not? Because he's ''mad as '''Hell''''' (no pun intended). His voice has barely changed, his expression (of course *shudder* ) hasn't changed, but nevertheless he's furious. He just doesn't show it in was we easily recognise recognize because he's an otherworldly creature; if he were human, he'd probably be frothing at the mouth right now. And can you blame him? He was [[spoiler: about to get Madoka to contract with him, which everything would indicate represents pretty much total victory for him - not surprising considering what Magical Girls, especially those not disposed to becoming cynical and self-interested, which almost certainly includes Madoka]]. This troper would certainly be more than a little miffed if he'd just been denied that.
** Alternatively, he's [[{{Troll}} trolling her]]. "You just never learn, don't you?"
** Alternatively, he's [[{{Troll}} trolling her]]. "You just never learn, don't you?"
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* With recent revelations in Episode 8, one has to wonder the following: Where did Charlotte's Grief Seed in episode 3 come from?
* With recent revelations in Episode 8, one has to wonder the following: Where did Charlotte's Grief Seed in episode 3 come from?
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* So after Kyuubey [[spoiler: is killed (temporarily)]] by Homura in episode 8, he suddenly seems to remember that she's done it once before. This seems a little incongruous at first, but the reality is: he didn't suddenly just remember. He always knew; he just isn't being coy any more. Why not? Because he's ''mad as '''Hell''''' (no pun intended). His voice has barely changed his expression (of course *shudder* ) hasn't changed, but that's because Kyuubey's an otherworldly creature. If he were human, he'd probably be frothing at the mouth right now. And can you blame him? He was [[spoiler: about to get Madoka to contract with him, which everything would indicate represents pretty much total victory for him - not surprising considering what Magical Girls, especially those not disposed to becoming cynical and self-interested, which almost certainly includes Madoka]]. This troper would certainly be more than a little miffed if he'd just been denied that.
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* So after Kyuubey [[spoiler: is killed (temporarily)]] by Homura in episode 8, he suddenly seems to remember that she's done it once before. This seems a little incongruous at first, but the reality is: he didn't suddenly just remember. He always knew; he just isn't being coy any more. Why not? Because he's ''mad as '''Hell''''' (no pun intended). His voice has barely changed changed, his expression (of course *shudder* ) hasn't changed, but that's nevertheless he's furious. He just doesn't show it in was we easily recognise because Kyuubey's he's an otherworldly creature. If creature; if he were human, he'd probably be frothing at the mouth right now. And can you blame him? He was [[spoiler: about to get Madoka to contract with him, which everything would indicate represents pretty much total victory for him - not surprising considering what Magical Girls, especially those not disposed to becoming cynical and self-interested, which almost certainly includes Madoka]]. This troper would certainly be more than a little miffed if he'd just been denied that.
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* So after Kyuubey [[spoiler: is killed (temporarily)]] by Homura in episode 8, he suddenly seems to remember that she's done it once before. This seems a little incongruous at first, but the reality is: he didn't suddenly just remember. He always knew; he just isn't being coy any more. Why not? Because he's ''mad as Hell'' (no pun intended). His voice has barely changed his expression (of course *shudder* ) hasn't changed, but that's because Kyuubey's an otherworldly creature. If he were human, he'd probably be frothing at the mouth right now. And can you blame him? He was [[spoiler: about to get Madoka to contract with him, which everything would indicate represents pretty much total victory for him - not surprising considering what Magical Girls, especially those not disposed to becoming cynical and self-interested, which almost certainly includes Madoka]]. This troper would certainly be more than a little miffed if he'd just been denied that.
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* So after Kyuubey [[spoiler: is killed (temporarily)]] by Homura in episode 8, he suddenly seems to remember that she's done it once before. This seems a little incongruous at first, but the reality is: he didn't suddenly just remember. He always knew; he just isn't being coy any more. Why not? Because he's ''mad as Hell'' '''Hell''''' (no pun intended). His voice has barely changed his expression (of course *shudder* ) hasn't changed, but that's because Kyuubey's an otherworldly creature. If he were human, he'd probably be frothing at the mouth right now. And can you blame him? He was [[spoiler: about to get Madoka to contract with him, which everything would indicate represents pretty much total victory for him - not surprising considering what Magical Girls, especially those not disposed to becoming cynical and self-interested, which almost certainly includes Madoka]]. This troper would certainly be more than a little miffed if he'd just been denied that.
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* So after Kyuubey [[spoiler: is killed (temporarily)]] by Homura in episode 8, he suddenly seems to remember that she's done it once before. This seems a little incongruous at first, but the reality is: he didn't suddenly just remember. He always knew; he just isn't being coy any more. Why not? Because he's ''mad as Hell'' (no pun intended). His voice has barely changed his expression (of course *shudder* ) hasn't changed, but that's because Kyuubey's an otherworldly creature. If he were human, he'd probably be frothing at the mouth right now. And can you blame him? He was [[spoiler: about to get Madoka to contract with him, which everything would indicate represents pretty much total victory for him - not surprising considering what Magical Girls, especially those not disposed to becoming cynical and self-interested, which almost certainly includes Madoka]]. This troper would certainly be more than a little miffed if he'd just been denied that.
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* As of Episode 8, Homura's magic power has been confirmed as TimeStandsStill. Now consider the relevance of a wish for time to stand still in Goethe's ''{{Faust}}''... [[[spoiler: For those who don't know, Faust's bargain with Mephistopheles says that if her ever wish for time to stand still in a moment of perfect happiness, his soul would be forfeit.]]
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* As of Episode 8, Homura's magic power has been confirmed as TimeStandsStill. Now consider the relevance of a wish for time to stand still in Goethe's ''{{Faust}}''... [[[spoiler: [[spoiler: For those who don't know, Faust's bargain with Mephistopheles says that if her ever wish for time to stand still in a moment of perfect happiness, his soul would be forfeit.]]
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* Episode 8 we have the following exchange between Kyouko and Homura
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---> '''Homura:''' Statistics.
**How many time loops do you have to experience to form STATISTICS??
---> '''Homura:''' Walpurgis Night will begin here (pointing to a location on the map)
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**How many time loops do you have to experience to form STATISTICS??
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* As of Episode 8, Homura's magic power has been confirmed as TimeStandsStill. Now consider the relevance of a wish for time to stand still in Goethe's ''{{Faust}}''... [[[spoiler: For those who don't know, Faust's bargain with Mephistopheles says that if he her ever wished wish for time to stand still in a moment of perfect happiness, his soul would be forfeit.]]
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* The magical girls? [[spoiler: They're powered by Grief Seeds, the life force of the Witches they hunt. Witches that gain said life force by forcing humans to commit suicide.]] The GeniusBonus about the writing (both the symbol font from the first episode when translated, and the Faust quotes in the second), too.
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* Episode 8 we have the following exchange between Kyouko and Homura
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---> '''Kyouko:''' How doEven more vicious when you know?
---> '''Homura:''' Statistics.
** How many time loops do you have to experience to form STATISTICS??
realize that [[spoiler:Mami's death could be consider an unintentional MercyKill. Since becoming a witch is FateWorseThanDeath.]]
---> '''Homura:''' Walpurgis Night will begin here (pointing to a location on the map)
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* Episode 8 we have the following exchange between Kyouko and Homura
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---> '''Homura:''' Statistics.
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---> '''Homura:''' Walpurgis Night will begin here (pointing to a location on the map)
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* The magical girls? [[spoiler: They're powered by Grief Seeds, the life force of the Witches they hunt. Witches that gain said life force by forcing humans to suicide.]] The GeniusBonus about the writing (both the symbol font from the first episode when translated, and the Faust quotes in the second), too.
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* The magical girls? [[spoiler: They're powered by Grief Seeds, the life force of the Witches they hunt. Witches that gain said life force by forcing humans to commit suicide.]] The GeniusBonus about the writing (both the symbol font from the first episode when translated, and the Faust quotes in the second), too.
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* Kyouko's dad [[spoiler: claimed that she was a witch]]. As of [[WhamEpisode Episode 8]], [[spoiler: [[YouAreTheDemons turns out he's wasn't too far from the truth]]]].
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*** Don't forget, it's been stated that familiars have to kill someone (possibly consume their soul?) to become full Witches...
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*** Even better: Grief Seeds are [[spoiler: ''lost'' souls]]. This makes Kyuubee even MORE satanic.
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* The mysterious runes appear to be messages from the witch, or her familiars. Translated, they often seem to be like a MadnessMantra. [[spoiler: Considering the ultimate origins of witches from fallen Magical Girls, they probably ''are'' a MadnessMantra.]]
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** Grief Seeds are [[spoiler: souls]]. Kyuube consumes Grief Seeds. [[spoiler: AndIMustScream.]]
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* Episode 8: [[spoiler: confirms that Witches are fallen Puella Magi. Sayaka becomes one by effectively committing mahou-suicide and not purifying her soul gem, at all]]. Combine that with the implications that destroying Witches to cleanse your gem will net a profit (at any rate, this seems to work for Kyouko), that effectively means that the ''only'' way [[spoiler: for a Soul Gem to corrupt to a Grief Seed]] is for the Puella to let it happen. In other words, [[spoiler: every fallen Witch has gone through the same level of [[BreakTheCutie trauma, pain and suffering]] that Sayaka did]]. How many Witches have we seen so far? ''Yep''.
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* Episode 8: [[spoiler: confirms that Witches are fallen Puella Magi. Sayaka becomes one by effectively committing mahou-suicide and not purifying her soul gem, at all]]. Combine that with the implications that destroying Witches to cleanse your gem will net a profit (at any rate, this seems to work for Kyouko), that effectively means that the ''only'' way [[spoiler: for a Soul Gem to corrupt to a Grief Seed]] is for the Puella to let it happen. In other words, [[spoiler: every fallen Witch has gone through the same level of [[BreakTheCutie trauma, pain and suffering]] that Sayaka did]]. How many Witches have we seen so far? ''Yep''.
''Yep''.
** In fairness, [[spoiler: they could have been familiars who grew into witches...but they likely still originated from a fallen magical girl.]] CloningBlues, perhaps?
** In fairness, [[spoiler: they could have been familiars who grew into witches...but they likely still originated from a fallen magical girl.]] CloningBlues, perhaps?
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* Episode 8: [[spoiler: confirms that Witches are fallen Puella Magi. Sayaka becomes one by effectively committing mahou-suicide and not purifying her soul gem, at all]]. Combine that with the implications that destroying Witches to cleanse your gem will net a profit (at any rate, this seems to work for Kyouko), that effectively means that the ''only'' way [[spoiler: for a Soul Gem to corrupt to a Grief Seed]] is for the Puella to let it happen. In other words, [[spoiler: every fallen Witch has gone through the same level of [[BreakTheCutie trauma, pain and suffering]] that Sayaka did]]. How many Witches have we seen so far? ''Yep''.
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* Many trope pages for Puella Magi reference everyone in [[spoiler: Kyoko's]] family dying, with her as the only survivor. At first glance, this implies that she was spared from the carnage for some reason. But why would her father spare her? He didn't. Poor [[spoiler: Kyoko]] was killed by him too, and only survived because [[spoiler: he didn't destroy her soul gem in the process]]. Think about that. Killed by her own father, along with the rest of her family - including the murderer. Ouch.
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* So, Kyouko's dad [[spoiler:killed the whole family and himself, leaving only Kyouko. Why didn't he try to kill Kyouko?]] Simple: [[spoiler:even if he ''tried,'' he couldn't kill her because he'd have to destroy/take away her Soul Gem. He wouldn't have known that was what he had to aim for, so any attempt to kill Kyouko with the rest of the family would never have worked.]]
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** [[spoiler:A huge FridgeHorror moment when you realize that Madoka NEARLY became a lich for CAKE.]]
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* So, it turns out that Kyoko's father [[spoiler: killed his family, then committed suicide because he realized that people listened to him because of magic rather than because they wanted to listen to him]], meaning that Kyoko is now completely alone... Wait a minute... Mami is also alone because [[spoiler: her parents died in a car crash even before she made her contract]]... And we know nothing about Homura, but she surely looks like a loner... [[spoiler: Oh gods there is a pattern! Puella Magi's loved ones end up dying sooner or later!]] [[TheKhan SAYAAAAAKAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!]]
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* Take another look at the silhouettes in the ending-theme. Mami's silhouette is the only one sitting down [[spoiler:(likely a reference to her death in episode three)]], and Homura's can be seen turning after Madoka's and reaching for her as she walks past.
