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4th May '16 6:29:28 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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** What the magic is doing is ''healing'' the universe; the inevitable increase in entropy is ''rotting'' it. Energy ''is'' changing form without overall increasing or decreasing, as outlined by the First Law of Thermodynamics (EquivalentExchange); according the ''Second'' Law of Thermodynamics (Entropy), it will never be a 100% perfect conversion into work, with some energy changing from being localized to randomly dispersed (mostly as heat). It might make more sense if you replace "the universe is losing energy" with "the universe is ageing/decaying/degenerating until it becomes too old and inefficient to sustain life" (which is pretty much what the Heat Death is about), and "adding more energy" with "the souls of magical girls (who can of course symbolize youth and fertility) reverse the process of energy decay, returning energy to a better, less entropic form, and provide some sort of ''Philosopher's Stone'' for this universe in order to rejuvenate itself". Finally, the laws of Thermodynamics don't matter too much, because Magic could break whatever natural laws it wanted, which is why it's so valuable. It's basically [[GurrenLagann Spiral Power]].
*** It may be a bit of Fridge Horror, but isn't the Kyubeians' {{plan}} eventually leading up to the [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann Spiral Nemesis]]? That was the first thing I thought of with the whole entropy speech.

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** What the magic is doing is ''healing'' the universe; the inevitable increase in entropy is ''rotting'' it. Energy ''is'' changing form without overall increasing or decreasing, as outlined by the First Law of Thermodynamics (EquivalentExchange); according the ''Second'' Law of Thermodynamics (Entropy), it will never be a 100% perfect conversion into work, with some energy changing from being localized to randomly dispersed (mostly as heat). It might make more sense if you replace "the universe is losing energy" with "the universe is ageing/decaying/degenerating until it becomes too old and inefficient to sustain life" (which is pretty much what the Heat Death is about), and "adding more energy" with "the souls of magical girls (who can of course symbolize youth and fertility) reverse the process of energy decay, returning energy to a better, less entropic form, and provide some sort of ''Philosopher's Stone'' for this universe in order to rejuvenate itself". Finally, the laws of Thermodynamics don't matter too much, because Magic could break whatever natural laws it wanted, which is why it's so valuable. It's basically [[GurrenLagann [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Spiral Power]].
*** It may be a bit of Fridge Horror, but isn't the Kyubeians' {{plan}} eventually leading up to the [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Spiral Nemesis]]? That was the first thing I thought of with the whole entropy speech.
1st May '16 10:34:21 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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*** [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII A time-]][[VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry traveling]] [[UminekoNoNakuKoroNi witch?]]

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*** [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII A time-]][[VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry traveling]] [[UminekoNoNakuKoroNi [[VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry witch?]]
24th Apr '16 2:06:19 AM aye_amber
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* [[http://mangafigures.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/review-mahou-shoujo-madoka-magica-akemi-homura-good-smile-company-figure-00c.jpg Homura's magical girl uniform]] and [[http://images.puella-magi.net/5/51/Madoka_Chara_Sheet.jpg?20110119210900 the Mitakihara uniform]] look very similar. Makes sense that [[spoiler: since Homura's wish was for Madoka, her magical girl outfit would be something that she'd associate with her.]]

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* [[http://mangafigures.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/review-mahou-shoujo-madoka-magica-akemi-homura-good-smile-company-figure-00c.jpg Homura's magical girl uniform]] and [[http://images.puella-magi.net/5/51/Madoka_Chara_Sheet.jpg?20110119210900 [[http://i.imgur.com/QsQtLfO.jpg the Mitakihara uniform]] look very similar. Makes sense that [[spoiler: since Homura's wish was for Madoka, her magical girl outfit would be something that she'd associate with her.]]
16th Apr '16 1:27:03 PM fumine
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** The symbolism is also present in Madoka's [[spoiler:final attack against Walpurgis Night, where her arrow of light splits into countless ones that descend like shooting stars]]. Bonus points that when Madoka [[spoiler: appears out of said arrows, she does grant the magical girls' wishes to not end as a witch]].
10th Apr '16 1:48:02 AM PurpleAlert
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**** On top of ''that'', that wish doesn't create the time paradox that Madoka's did. Madoka's wish only recreates the universe because her wish was retroactive: since Madoka was able to defeat her own witch, placing her in a state of dual existence (as both a witch in the physical world and a magical girl outside of time), the universe had to be restructured to resolve that paradox. The wish to avert a future event doesn't have that, which means the magical girl who wishes for it would become an EldritchAbomination the size of ''multiple galaxies''. Gretchen was able to use celestial bodies for her ''eyeballs'', imagine something ''two hundred billion times'' that size. That's reason enough for the Incubators to never want that to happen.
10th Apr '16 12:12:28 AM PurpleAlert
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*** Because that's actually the only wish it would be literally impossible for the Incubator's wish-granting system to grant. Leaving aside that there's no way to predict what a universe would look like if no energy was ever truly lost, that's the goal of the system in the first place. Madoka is the most powerful magical girl to ever exist, but even she couldn't change the system beyond adding a law of physics to the pre-existing system, one that required an entire restructuring of the universe but only accounts a change that can only be applied under extremely specific circumstances. The reason for this is the concept of karmic destiny: a wish can only be as significant as the magical girl who makes the wish, and even Madoka could only make one very small (if far-reaching) change. The magical girl who could successfully wish to avert the heat death of the universe would have to be more significant to the progress of the universe than every Incubator in the Hive ''and'' every life affected by Incubator technology (which is ''at least'' everything that has ever happened on Earth since the first human magical girl made the first wish) in the entire universe; we know extraterrestrial life is a thing in this setting and we know that Kyubey has made a contract with at least one of them. The only reason Madoka comes within spitting distance of that level of power is because she was getting a power boost on an unprecedented scale, and even that only went up to 30 days' worth of the entire universe's energy; in order to avert heat death, she would need literal hundreds of billions of times that amount of energy before she even makes the wish ''and'' be the most important creature to ever exist. And even then, she'd have to come up with that wish on her own (something that a little girl is astronomically unlikely to even realize is a thing, let alone consider it something she personally wants, since if she knows about it, she probably knows it won't happen until long after the human race is extinct) since Kyubey can't suggest it.
3rd Apr '16 1:45:51 AM jeddings123
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*[[spoiler: If Madoka eventually becomes a witch herself even as a god, what would happen to her labrinth?]] She's already using it. Her labrinth is her own version of heaven. This is another reason she [[spoiler: caused the paradox to cease her existence.]] This is also why the bodies of [[spoiler: all the magical girls disappear along with their soul gems in the end.]] She's not destroying them, she's taking them with her.
3rd Apr '16 1:36:51 AM jeddings123
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* [[Spoiler: Walpurgisnacht is confirmed to be made]] of multiple magical girls. Since magical girls have innate abilities based on their wishes, this means only a purely powerful wish that is stronger than not one, or two, but many witches' curses at once can counter this. [[Spoiler: Madoka]] is fated to be the only one to fix this.

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* [[Spoiler: [[spoiler: Walpurgisnacht is confirmed to be made]] of multiple magical girls. Since magical girls have innate abilities based on their wishes, this means only a purely powerful wish that is stronger than not one, or two, but many witches' curses at once can counter this. [[Spoiler: [[spoiler: Madoka]] is fated to be the only one to fix this.
3rd Apr '16 1:36:07 AM jeddings123
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*[[Spoiler: Walpurgisnacht is confirmed to be made]] of multiple magical girls. Since magical girls have innate abilities based on their wishes, this means only a purely powerful wish that is stronger than not one, or two, but many witches' curses at once can counter this. [[Spoiler: Madoka]] is fated to be the only one to fix this.
29th Mar '16 9:52:01 AM RookEncounte
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** Actually, given how adjective can work in Latin, the title correctly translates as either as "Magical Girl Madoka of the Wise Man", showing how Madoka becoming a magical girl makes her a possession or instrument of Kyubey, or "The Wise Ones, Magical Girl Madoka" establishing a contrast; there are "The Wise Ones" separately from "Magical Girl Madoka", that is those who are wise are not magical girls.
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