History Fridge / PuellaMagiMadokaMagica

13th Nov '16 2:08:21 AM jeddings123
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* [[Amazing Technicolor Hair]] is something a little girl would wish for humans to have, especially other girls around her age.

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13th Nov '16 2:07:25 AM jeddings123
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*[[Amazing Technicolor Hair]] is something a little girl would wish for humans to have, especially other girls around her age.
11th Nov '16 6:12:26 PM PurpleAlert
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*** The factory farm you're describing wouldn't work for the Incubators' purposes anyway. They generate magical girls to fight witches so that they can harvest grief seeds, but in order to create a wish, they have to offer hope to one of them so that it can be converted into despair. That's what the wish does. Without the Wish, there's no magical girl, and if they created a factory farm for humanity so that they could churn out teenage girls, the first thing the girls would wish for is that the factory farm would change or be destroyed because it would be directly responsible for their despair. The way the world works in the show, they don't invest resources into the Earth, they're letting humanity build their own civilization so that they don't lose anything when it improves through magical girls' wishes.
6th Nov '16 11:58:11 AM Romzar
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** For recruitment quantity and [[spoiler: energy extraction from emotional wishes]], teenager are probably the best age group to go for. Children would be more easy to recruit since they'd be even less likely to ask questions about the deal and just go in for a wish, plus they'd have few or no reservations about trusting a RidiculouslyCuteCritter like Kyubey. However, their wishes would probably have less emotional attachment to them and more focus on physical gain so [[spoiler: so the Incubators wouldn't get that much energy out of them. Kids are also known for being resilient, meaning they'd probably be less likely to fall into the DespairEventHorizon needed for them to fall into witches.]] On a more horrifying note, children wouldn't fare too well against witches either dying quickly or becoming too frightened to fight. Adults, on the other hand would fare better in a witch fight, but they would be harder to recruit since they would be less trusting and more suspicious of Kyubey's cutesy design and more prone to asking questions Kyubey would rather not divulge answers to.

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** For recruitment quantity and [[spoiler: energy extraction from emotional wishes]], teenager are probably the best age group to go for. Children would be more easy to recruit since they'd be even less likely to ask questions about the deal and just go in for a wish, plus they'd have few or no reservations about trusting a RidiculouslyCuteCritter like Kyubey. However, their wishes would probably have less emotional attachment to them and more focus on physical gain so [[spoiler: so the Incubators wouldn't get that much energy out of them. Kids are also known for being resilient, meaning they'd probably be less likely to fall into the DespairEventHorizon needed for them to fall into witches.]] On a more horrifying note, children wouldn't fare too well against witches either dying quickly or becoming too frightened to fight. Adults, on the other hand would fare better in a witch fight, but they would be harder to recruit since they would be less trusting and more suspicious of Kyubey's cutesy design and more prone to asking questions Kyubey would rather not divulge answers to.
29th Oct '16 2:15:57 PM DoctorPretentious
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* One of the ways the series deconstructs the [[MagicalGirl Magical Girl]] genre is in the way that teamwork is not only discouraged, but extremely unlikely. The girls in this series almost certainly shouldn't team up, because the hard-to-gain and extremely important grief seeds cannot be shared between them. How does the series show this in an obvious way, but tell it to the audience almost subconciously? Through the girls' costumes. Unlike Manga/SailorMoon - esque magical girls, all of the magical girls in this series have very different costumes from one another - costumes that take from separate influences and clash with one another: Madoka's is inspired by classic MG costume; Sayaka's is influenced by both knights and superheroes; Kyouko's is based on priest vestments, in reference to her father and her past. The rest of the girls have similarly unique costumes. In this sense, without literally spelling it out to the audience, the impossibility of magical girls in PMMM working together is shown eah time two or more are on screen.

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* One of the ways the series deconstructs the [[MagicalGirl Magical Girl]] genre is in the way that teamwork is not only discouraged, but extremely unlikely. The girls in this series almost certainly shouldn't team up, because the hard-to-gain and extremely important grief seeds cannot be shared between them. How does the series show this in an obvious way, but tell it to the audience almost subconciously? Through the girls' costumes. Unlike Manga/SailorMoon - esque magical girls, all of the magical girls in this series have very different costumes from one another - costumes that take from separate influences and clash with one another: Madoka's is inspired by classic MG costume; Sayaka's is influenced by both knights and superheroes; Kyouko's is based on priest vestments, in reference to her father and her past. The rest of the girls have similarly unique costumes. In this sense, without literally spelling it out to the audience, the impossibility of magical girls in PMMM working together is shown eah time two or more are on screen.screen.
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26th Oct '16 5:15:26 AM krevan
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*** This actually was kind of explicitly stated in the original anime. [[spoiler: On multiple occasions Kyubey mentions that because Madoka's potential is so great, she could even wish for incredible things and have it come true. Then, in the last episode when Madoka is finally describing her wish to Kyubey he once again mentions "Since you're the center of so many karmic destinies, no matter how enormous the wish, you will most likely be able to make it come true".]] That directly supports the notion that everything [[spoiler: Homura]] did was what made the ending possible.

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*** This actually was kind of explicitly stated in the original anime. [[spoiler: On multiple occasions Kyubey mentions that because Madoka's potential is so great, she could even wish for incredible things and have it come true. Then, in the last episode when Madoka is finally describing her wish to Kyubey he once again mentions "Since you're the center of so many karmic destinies, no matter how enormous the wish, you will most likely be able to make it come true".]] That directly supports the notion that everything [[spoiler: Homura]] did was what made the ending possible.
26th Oct '16 5:14:45 AM krevan
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**** This actually was kind of explicitly stated in the original anime. [[spoiler: On multiple occasions Kyubey mentions that because Madoka's potential is so great, she could even wish for incredible things and have it come true. Then, in the last episode when Madoka is finally describing her wish to Kyubey he once again mentions "Since you're the center of so many karmic destinies, no matter how enormous the wish, you will most likely be able to make it come true".]] That directly supports the notion that everything [[spoiler: Homura]] did was what made the ending possible.
29th Sep '16 4:44:48 PM ronasokily
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[[/folder]]* One of the ways the series deconstructs the [[MagicalGirl Magical Girl]] genre is in the way that teamwork is not only discouraged, but extremely unlikely. The girls in this series almost certainly shouldn't team up, because the hard-to-gain and extremely important grief seeds cannot be shared between them. How does the series show this in an obvious way, but tell it to the audience almost subconciously? Through the girls' costumes. Unlike Manga/SailorMoon - esque magical girls, all of the magical girls in this series have very different costumes from one another - costumes that take from separate influences and clash with one another: Madoka's is inspired by classic MG costume; Sayaka's is influenced by both knights and superheroes; Kyouko's is based on priest vestments, in reference to her father and her past. The rest of the girls have similarly unique costumes. In this sense, without literally spelling it out to the audience, the impossibility of magical girls in PMMM working together is shown eah time two or more are on screen.
15th Sep '16 4:22:46 PM PurpleAlert
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** Homura doesn't fit that pattern. By that logic, it's selfish of a parent to stop their child from touching a hot stove. Everything she does in the series, Rebellion included, is based on the (sometimes erroneous) idea that Madoka doesn't really know as much as she thinks she does and ends up getting killed or worse. In the series, it's the truth about Soul Gems and Grief Seeds and Kyubey, and she ends the series doing just fine, if lonely and more than a little depressed. In the movie, it's that Madoka regrets becoming a goddess (which she doesn't, but Homura thinks she does because of a misunderstanding) and can't evade Kyubey forever (which the movie itself shows is true). Homura's selfishness is that she'll forsake the world for Madoka's happiness, but that's not until Rebellion.
2nd Sep '16 8:10:21 AM secretfan14
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* [[spoiler: If Madoka eventually becomes a witch herself even as a god, what would happen to her labrinth?]] She's already using it. Her labrinth is [[LotusEaterMachine her own version of heaven]]. This is another reason she [[spoiler: caused the paradox to cease her existence.]] This is also why the bodies of [[spoiler: all the magical girls disappear along with their soul gems in the end.]] She's not destroying them, [[WellIntentionedExtremist she's taking them with her]].

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* [[spoiler: If Madoka eventually becomes a witch herself even as a god, what would happen to her labrinth?]] labyrinth?]] She's already using it. Her labrinth labyrinth is [[LotusEaterMachine her own version of heaven]]. This is another reason she [[spoiler: caused the paradox to cease her existence.]] This is also why the bodies of [[spoiler: all the magical girls disappear along with their soul gems in the end.]] She's not destroying them, [[WellIntentionedExtremist she's taking them with her]].



** For recruitment quantity and [[spoiler: energy extraction from emotional wishes]], teenager are probably the best age group to go for. Children would be more easy to recruit since they'd be even less likely to ask questions about the deal and just go in for a wish, plus they'd have few or no reservations about trusting a RidiculouslyCuteCritter like Kyubey. However, their wishes would probably have less emotional attachment to them and more focus on physical gain so [[spoiler: so the Incubators wouldnt get that much energy out of them. Kids are also known for being resilient, meaning they'd probably be less likely to fall into the DespairEventHorizon needed for them to fall into witches.]] On a more horrifying note, children wouldnt fare too well against witches either dying quickly or becoming too frightened to fight. Adults, on the other hand would fare better in a witch fight, but they would be harder to recruit since they would be less trusting and more suspicious of Kyubey's cutesy design and more prone to asking questions Kyubey would rather not divulge answers to.

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** For recruitment quantity and [[spoiler: energy extraction from emotional wishes]], teenager are probably the best age group to go for. Children would be more easy to recruit since they'd be even less likely to ask questions about the deal and just go in for a wish, plus they'd have few or no reservations about trusting a RidiculouslyCuteCritter like Kyubey. However, their wishes would probably have less emotional attachment to them and more focus on physical gain so [[spoiler: so the Incubators wouldnt wouldn't get that much energy out of them. Kids are also known for being resilient, meaning they'd probably be less likely to fall into the DespairEventHorizon needed for them to fall into witches.]] On a more horrifying note, children wouldnt wouldn't fare too well against witches either dying quickly or becoming too frightened to fight. Adults, on the other hand would fare better in a witch fight, but they would be harder to recruit since they would be less trusting and more suspicious of Kyubey's cutesy design and more prone to asking questions Kyubey would rather not divulge answers to.



** It bugged this troper that [[spoiler: Homura would go for intimidation rather than just telling Sayaka ''why'' she needed to clean her soul gem, namely that she would turn into a witch. After the [[SoulJar soul gem revelation]] and finding out Kyubey's untrustworthiness it wouldnt be that hard to believe and given Sayaka's saving people thing there's no way she'd allow herself to become a monster that kills people. However,this troper realized telling her the truth wouldn't have mattered. Even if she believed Homura, given Sayaka's [[DespairEventHorizon state]] she would've reacted by either killing herself to prevent herself becoming a witch or worse she wouldnt have cared and allowed herself to turn to escape the pain. In either case, Madoka would respond by making a contract to bring her friend back. Homura scaring Sayaka into cleaning her gem by threatening to kill her thus reaffirming her will to live was the safer option and it might have worked if Kyoko hadnt interrupted which led to Sayaka overhearing the train conversation which brought her down further.]]

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** It bugged this troper that [[spoiler: Homura would go for intimidation rather than just telling Sayaka ''why'' she needed to clean her soul gem, namely that she would turn into a witch. After the [[SoulJar soul gem revelation]] and finding out Kyubey's untrustworthiness it wouldnt wouldn't be that hard to believe and given Sayaka's saving people thing there's no way she'd allow herself to become a monster that kills people. However,this troper realized telling her the truth wouldn't have mattered. Even if she believed Homura, given Sayaka's [[DespairEventHorizon state]] she would've reacted by either killing herself to prevent herself becoming a witch or worse she wouldnt wouldn't have cared and allowed herself to turn to escape the pain. In either case, Madoka would respond by making a contract to bring her friend back. Homura scaring Sayaka into cleaning her gem by threatening to kill her thus reaffirming her will to live was the safer option and it might have worked if Kyoko hadnt hadn't interrupted which led to Sayaka overhearing the train conversation which brought her down further.]]



** Kyubey implies that [[spoiler: without the incubators human society and civilisation would never have happened - we'd still be living in caves -]] so it's not impossible that girls being socialised to be more emotive was a tactic to try and increase the power of their emotions and thus [[spoiler: the amount of energy they would produce]]. To use his own example [[spoiler: this is kind of like how we have selectively bred livestock to maximise yield and/or quality.]]

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** Kyubey implies that [[spoiler: without the incubators human society and civilisation would never have happened - we'd still be living in caves -]] so it's not impossible that girls being socialised to be more emotive was a tactic to try and increase the power of their emotions and thus [[spoiler: the amount of energy they would produce]]. To use his own example [[spoiler: this is kind of like how we have selectively bred livestock to maximise maximize yield and/or quality.]]



** Further, Kyoko never gets fat! [[spoiler: 1) It would be harder for a fat magical girl to fight. 2) A soul gem is a magical girl's power source. Maybe they don't need to eat at all since Kyuby has removed their souls from their bodies and changed the structure of their bodies. Sell your soul, get a wish, and weight loss!]]

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** Further, Kyoko never gets fat! [[spoiler: 1) It would be harder for a fat magical girl to fight. 2) A soul gem is a magical girl's power source. Maybe they don't need to eat at all since Kyuby Kyubey has removed their souls from their bodies and changed the structure of their bodies. Sell your soul, get a wish, and weight loss!]]



*** Actually [[spoiler: in ''[[Manga/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaTheDifferentStory The Different Story]]'' which explores Mami and Kyoko's past, showing that they used to work together and Kyoko considered the latter a sister figure, Kyoko mentions that she didnt fully go into Despair since Mami and thus someone she considered family was still alive. That said, this puts Kyoko's TakingYouWithMe in episode 9 in a different light. Family gone, sister/mentor figure dead and the girl she had formed a connection with ads good as dead, she didnt have anything tying her to this world and knew shed become a witch soon so she decided to go out on her own terms before that happened.]]

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*** Actually [[spoiler: in ''[[Manga/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaTheDifferentStory The Different Story]]'' which explores Mami and Kyoko's past, showing that they used to work together and Kyoko considered the latter a sister figure, Kyoko mentions that she didnt didn't fully go into Despair since Mami - and thus someone she considered family - was still alive. That said, this puts Kyoko's TakingYouWithMe in episode 9 in a different light. Family With her family gone, sister/mentor figure dead and the girl she had formed a connection with ads as good as dead, she didnt Kyoko didn't have anything tying her to this world and knew shed she'd become a witch soon soon, so she decided to go out on her own terms before that happened.]]



** When talking about her past [[spoiler: before the PaterFamilicide]], Kyoko talks about her father who she describes as an honest man and way too nice and the kind of guy who'd read the papers and start tearing up cause he couldn't figure out how to make things better. So, an honest, kind person with a desire to be a hero and help other who then [[spoiler: GoMadFromTheRevelation goes on a self destructive and eventually suicidal streak after finding out the AwfulTruth]] Gee, who does that sound like? Perhaps Kyoko wasnt just comparing Sayaka to herself when narrating her backstory. The reason Kyoko may taken Sayaka to her father's church wasnt just to cheer her up but [[spoiler: prevent her becoming despressed enough to commit suicide or worse take someone else with her.]] It also explains why she sounded so horrified when Sayaka mentioned hurting her best friend (Madoka) when Kyoko found Sayaka moping in the subway; she may had been having flashes of deja vu.

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** When talking about her past [[spoiler: before the PaterFamilicide]], Kyoko talks about her father who she describes as an honest man and way too nice and the kind of guy who'd read the papers and start tearing up cause he couldn't figure out how to make things better. So, an honest, kind person with a desire to be a hero and help other who then [[spoiler: GoMadFromTheRevelation goes on a self destructive and eventually suicidal streak after finding out the AwfulTruth]] Gee, who does that sound like? Perhaps Kyoko wasnt wasn't just comparing Sayaka to herself when narrating her backstory. The reason Kyoko may taken Sayaka to her father's church wasnt wasn't just to cheer her up but [[spoiler: prevent her becoming despressed enough to commit suicide or worse take someone else with her.]] It also explains why she sounded so horrified when Sayaka mentioned hurting her best friend (Madoka) when Kyoko found Sayaka moping in the subway; she may had been having flashes of deja vu.



* At the end of episode 3 after defeating Charlotte who'd just killed [[spoiler: Mami]], Homura states that 'This is the end of a MagicalGirl. Cue a shot of a teacup smashed by a Grief Seed symbolizing [[spoiler: Mami's death.]] At first, it simply seems that Homura was refering to how {{MagicalGirl}}s were bound to die horrible deaths by witches. Until [[spoiler: after episode 8 we find out that {{MagicalGirl}}s who dont purify their Soul Gems become witches.]] Looking at that scene again, this troper realized that Homura was subtly hinting at the darker nature of the Puella Magi system. -spinindiamond

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* At the end of episode 3 after defeating Charlotte who'd just killed [[spoiler: Mami]], Homura states that 'This is the end of a MagicalGirl. Cue a shot of a teacup smashed by a Grief Seed symbolizing [[spoiler: Mami's death.]] At first, it simply seems that Homura was refering to how {{MagicalGirl}}s were bound to die horrible deaths by witches. Until [[spoiler: after episode 8 we find out that {{MagicalGirl}}s who dont don't purify their Soul Gems become witches.]] Looking at that scene again, this troper realized that Homura was subtly hinting at the darker nature of the Puella Magi system. -spinindiamond



*** [[spoiler: Word of God has said that Charlotte's wish was '"To eat a cheesecake with her mother before she died"'. Her mother being a cancer patient who cant eat cheese due to chemotherapy. This results in almost instant despair and witchdom when she realizes she ''could have just wished for her mother to be cured''. Now, think about all the opportunities Madoka would have after the hypothetical cake with Mami to ''really regret eating that cake'' in lieu of a better wish, the ending for example.]]

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*** [[spoiler: Word of God has said that Charlotte's wish was '"To eat a cheesecake with her mother before she died"'. Her mother being a cancer patient who cant can't eat cheese due to chemotherapy. This results in almost instant despair and witchdom when she realizes she ''could have just wished for her mother to be cured''. Now, think about all the opportunities Madoka would have after the hypothetical cake with Mami to ''really regret eating that cake'' in lieu of a better wish, the ending for example.]]



** Mami's victory against Gertrude and loss to [[spoiler: Charlotte]] despite showing off in both fights are simple to explain if you think that Mami had faced another Gertrude before while [[spoiler: Charlotte]] was a witch she hadnt faced. Against Gertrude, Mami gets Gertrude's attention by [[BerserkButton stepping on her flowers]] and aiming her shots to capture the witch at the right time, indicating past experience with the witch. The likely reason Mami didnt tell Madoka and Sayaka about this would be because it looked more impressive that way and she may had been thinking about [[spoiler: Kyoko]]

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** Mami's victory against Gertrude and loss to [[spoiler: Charlotte]] despite showing off in both fights are simple to explain if you think that Mami had faced another Gertrude before while [[spoiler: Charlotte]] was a witch she hadnt faced. Against Gertrude, Mami gets Gertrude's attention by [[BerserkButton stepping on her flowers]] and aiming her shots to capture the witch at the right time, indicating past experience with the witch. The likely reason Mami didnt didn't tell Madoka and Sayaka about this would be because it looked more impressive that way and she may had been thinking about [[spoiler: Kyoko]]



** [[spoiler:''Worse.'' The PaterFamilicide incident could be ''why'' Mami targeted Kyouko first -- so she wouldn't have to witness a similar event again and why she didnt go after [[TimeMaster Homura]] first or the other long range fighter Madoka. Considering the third Drama CD, which reveals Mami and Kyouko's common past and tells things that happen quite a while ''before'' Homura starts the time jumps and time changing... it's ''very'' likely.]]

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** [[spoiler:''Worse.'' The PaterFamilicide incident could be ''why'' Mami targeted Kyouko first -- so she wouldn't have to witness a similar event again and why she didnt didn't go after [[TimeMaster Homura]] first or the other long range fighter Madoka. Considering the third Drama CD, which reveals Mami and Kyouko's common past and tells things that happen quite a while ''before'' Homura starts the time jumps and time changing... it's ''very'' likely.]]



* On a similar note, Mami binding Homura with her ribbons in the third episode after the latter warned her not to go after Charlotte. In episode 10, its revealed [[spoiler: in a previous timeline after Sayaka turned into a witch and was killed, Mami promptly went crazy and attempted to perform MurderSuicide on the cast by starting with tying up Homura so that she couldnt use her TimeStop powers and killing Kyoko.]] so Homura probably thought for a moment that Mami intended to shoot her dead especially in light of their last conversation. [[spoiler: And even if she didnt, being bound again would still conjure up some unpleasant memories.]]

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* On a similar note, Mami binding Homura with her ribbons in the third episode after the latter warned her not to go after Charlotte. In episode 10, its revealed [[spoiler: in a previous timeline after Sayaka turned into a witch and was killed, Mami promptly went crazy and attempted to perform MurderSuicide on the cast by starting with tying up Homura so that she couldnt use her TimeStop powers and killing Kyoko.]] so Homura probably thought for a moment that Mami intended to shoot her dead especially in light of their last conversation. [[spoiler: And even if she didnt, didn't, being bound again would still conjure up some unpleasant memories.]]
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