History Fridge / PuellaMagiMadokaMagica

19th Nov '17 6:38:01 AM zoopyDoopy
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* Rewatch the scene where Kyoko and Sayaka first meet, and notice when Kyoko first attacks Sayaka: it's after Sayaka brings up Mami. Given Kyoko's complicated history with Mami (as shown in The Different Story) and Sayaka's reductionist attitude to the whole situation (in her head, Mami=good, Homura&Kyoko=bad), it makes more sense that Kyoko snapped at that point. Not only does Sayaka seem naïve and sticking her nose in it, she's making sweeping statements about things when she doesn't know the whole situation.
19th Nov '17 6:37:23 AM zoopyDoopy
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* Seeing episode 1 again, it kind of sticks out that Junko, a high flying business woman, says some pretty sexist things. Firstly, 'the one thing a woman can't afford to get looked down at is her appearance' and secondly telling Madoka that being confident is the secret to every pretty girl's success. But this could be seen as a mirror to the situation of the magical girl. Consider: Junko appears powerful at first glance but has to please the male CEO, often coming home burnt out/drunk from after work socials. The magical girls too look powerful at first glance, such as when Mami shows up and blows away the familiars in episode 1, but they are also ultimately exploited and laid low by a system imposed by a male character (Kyubey, who is sometimes referred to as a he by everyone else). That Junko talks to Madoka the way she does is a reflection of society: you can be powerful and a female, but not without being pretty.
12th Nov '17 2:06:11 AM zoopyDoopy
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* Mami ignoring Homura's reprimand that she is bringing innocents into a dangerous battle in Episode 2 makes more sense when you consider a fundamental fact about Mami: she's not just ignoring the potential danger to Madoka and Sayaka for her own benefit, she's fundamentally GenreBlind. She thinks she's in a show more like Sailor Moon/Cardcaptor Sakura, when she's actually in a magical girl show somewhere between Evangelion and Utena. That she ignores Homura's warning makes sense - in her mind the script is supposed to go 'maybe Sayaka and Madoka will face danger as Magical Girls but we'll get through it together!' Given Madoka's potential, her having this view makes even more sense. The same can be said of her battle with Charlotte - she's overconfident partially as a result of her joy at having someone ready to contract with her, but also partially because it hasn't really sunk in that she can die in this battle. It also makes sense given her age - children and teenagers are said to think of themselves as immortal, because they're just too young for death to have any real meaning to them. That Homura acts so much older than her age and treats the battles with the gravity they deserve shows how GenreSavvy she is and how much death she's had to deal with in multiple timelines - she's both literally and figuratively older than anyone else.


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* Much of the series when considered from the perspective of the adults is this. Teenage girls inexplicably going missing and/or turning up dead, sometimes for no seemingly no reason whatsoever. AdultFear at its best.
12th Nov '17 2:03:19 AM zoopyDoopy
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* When rewatching the series it can be confusing as to why Kyubey would take the soul out of the body to make the girls more effective fighters when he doesn't actually care whether they beat witches or not. Then it makes sense - if a magical girl just dies instead of witching out, she won't release energy for him to collect, or if she's in hospital every five minutes it will a) take too long to get to witchery and b) raise big suspicions as to what's going on with these girls. So by making them durable he can create more chance for them to end up like Sayaka rather than Mami, and pit them against one another, as he did with Kyoko and Sayaka, with greater chance they will survive these encounters and have them witch out faster from how harsh and dangerous the Magical Girl situation really is.
** And if they happen to find out about this, they'll likely despair as Sayaka did. Kyubey says straight out that he's had people react badly to the discovery in the past, so his argument that it's illogical for humans to care where their souls are is irrelevant: he knows that humans do care, and uses that knowledge to create more despair.
9th Nov '17 7:46:58 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Kyubey was the only constant companion Mami had. Considering what we learn of Kyubey's modus operandi, and the implication it would have [[ToxicFriendInfluence for their relationship]]. That, and [[EuTuBrute there is a reason]] learning the AwfulTruth about what Kyubey does [[GoMadFromTheRevelation broke her like it did]].

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* Kyubey was the only constant companion Mami had. Considering what we learn of Kyubey's modus operandi, and the implication it would have [[ToxicFriendInfluence for their relationship]]. That, and [[EuTuBrute [[EtTuBrute there is a reason]] learning the AwfulTruth about what Kyubey does [[GoMadFromTheRevelation broke her like it did]].
7th Nov '17 9:27:40 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* At the end of episode 3 after defeating Charlotte who'd just killed [[spoiler: Mami]], Homura states that 'This is the end of a MagicalGirl. Cue a shot of a teacup smashed by a Grief Seed symbolizing [[spoiler: Mami's death.]] At first, it simply seems that Homura was refering to how {{MagicalGirl}}s were bound to die horrible deaths by witches. Until [[spoiler: after episode 8 we find out that {{MagicalGirl}}s who don't purify their Soul Gems become witches.]] Looking at that scene again, this troper realized that Homura was subtly hinting at the darker nature of the Puella Magi system. -spinindiamond

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* At the end of episode 3 after defeating Charlotte who'd just killed [[spoiler: Mami]], Homura states that 'This is the end of a MagicalGirl. Cue a shot of a teacup smashed by a Grief Seed symbolizing [[spoiler: Mami's death.]] At first, it simply seems that Homura was refering to how {{MagicalGirl}}s {{Magical Girl}}s were bound to die horrible deaths by witches. Until [[spoiler: after episode 8 we find out that {{MagicalGirl}}s Magical Girls who don't purify their Soul Gems become witches.]] Looking at that scene again, this troper realized that Homura was subtly hinting at the darker nature of the Puella Magi system. -spinindiamond



** Another disturbing scene occurs when Homura is fighting against Walpurgisnacht and gets attacked by three familiars that take the shapes of Mami, Kyouko, and Sayaka. When you consider that Walpurginacht is an amalagation of the spirits of dead {{MagicalGirl}}s, its possible that those werent familiars but the three other main characters under the control of Walpurgisnacht. To add to that nightnarish scenario, remember that Madoka also fought against the same witch in other timelines and may have also been treated to the same experience.

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** Another disturbing scene occurs when Homura is fighting against Walpurgisnacht and gets attacked by three familiars that take the shapes of Mami, Kyouko, and Sayaka. When you consider that Walpurginacht is an amalagation of the spirits of dead {{MagicalGirl}}s, {{Magical Girl}}s, its possible that those werent familiars but the three other main characters under the control of Walpurgisnacht. To add to that nightnarish scenario, remember that Madoka also fought against the same witch in other timelines and may have also been treated to the same experience.


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* Kyubey was the only constant companion Mami had. Considering what we learn of Kyubey's modus operandi, and the implication it would have [[ToxicFriendInfluence for their relationship]]. That, and [[EuTuBrute there is a reason]] learning the AwfulTruth about what Kyubey does [[GoMadFromTheRevelation broke her like it did]].
** Then consider Mami was the prime magical girl recruiter, and that Kyubey likely spent as much time with her, [[PragmaticVillainy keeping her as well off as she was]], [[UnwittingPawn to that end]]. there is ''[[MyGodWhatHaveIDone another]]'' reason she broke upon learn what she was [[FateWorseThanDeath recruiting them to]].
** Also, [[spoiler:given mami's sheer despair, she likely would have become a witch not long after, making her plan to kill herself ''justified''. But would she have lasted long enough to MercyKill everyone else (all but certain to make her state worse) then herself before succumbing and witching out? Or would she succumb sooner leaving any survivors, still weakened and traumatized by dealing with witch Sayaka, to deal with her?]]
22nd Oct '17 10:54:26 PM H.N.Levian
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* Walpurgisnacht and Kriemhild Gretchen are shaped like two halves of an hourglass. In the timelines where Madoka beats Walpurgis, she becomes Gretchen. The crisis doesn't end; the hourglass just flips over.
22nd Oct '17 10:42:23 PM H.N.Levian
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** In Suzune Magica, [[spoiler: one of the main characters wished to make her own sister disappear from existence simply because she got all the attention, and Kyuubey didn't hesitate to grant it.]]
10th Oct '17 12:15:46 PM NexusLink
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** Roberta the caged Witch is perpetually angry; just as Homura, who is angry at being unable [[spoiler: save Madoka.]]
** Walpurgisnacht has a nature of helplessness, as she always wins in one way or another.

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** Roberta the caged Witch is perpetually angry; just as Homura, who is angry at being unable to [[spoiler: save Madoka.]]
** Walpurgisnacht has a nature of helplessness, as she always wins in one way any magical girl that fights her [[spoiler:either dies while fighting her, or another.witches out shortly thereafter.]]
7th Oct '17 6:12:05 AM Xavon
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* QB reveals his species is not just farming magical girls on Earth, but across the galaxy, maybe even the universe. Madoka's wish was not limited to the Earth. So she had to become a goddess, to be able to affect all of creation.
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