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* For someone who doesn’t seem to care much about eco (not to mention the fact that he wouldn’t have listened to any of Samos’ lectures), Daxter is curiously knowledgeable about its effects in the first game. Given the third game revealed he effectively became a Precursor, he must have gained that knowledge when he transformed.
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* Why are the Metal Heads less independent in ''Jak 3'' than in ''Jak 2''? While the Dark Makers are even worse than them, there is another reason. In the second game, their fabled leader dies, so they need new guidance, even at the cost of their autonomy.
** Also, the Metal Heads in general. They aren't just a threat to humans. They are to [[HeelFaceTurn the Lurkers]] and even the Precursors as well, and their leader praises the killing and devouring they do.
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* Kor spends a lot of time at The Power Station in Jak II, at the end of the game it's revealed by Vin that the shield wall is down and Metal Heads are invading The City. Then you realize that Kor was there figuring out how to destroy the shield wall so that his army could now attack...
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* Kor spends a lot of time at The Power Station in Jak II, at the end of the game it's revealed by Vin that the shield wall is down and Metal Heads are invading The City. Then you realize that Kor was there figuring out how to destroy the shield wall so that his army could now attack...attack...
* The Precursor Stone is [[spoiler:the last Precursor Egg. If Kor had beaten Jak, he could render the Precursors ''extinct.'']]
* The Precursor Stone is [[spoiler:the last Precursor Egg. If Kor had beaten Jak, he could render the Precursors ''extinct.'']]
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* A bit of a more scientific example, at the near end of Jak 2 where Praxis [[spoiler: gives Jak the precursor stone, he says that "the first rule in making a bomb, is to always make two". Now, how are particular bombs (especially A-bombs) created? By splitting the atom into two!]]
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* Haven City is off to a bad start by the start of the Baron's regime. The City is ruled by a dictator, there's riots and an ongoing civil war between Underground and KG soldiers, most of the city seems to live in poverty, constant metal head attacks, and the local police double as the Military. By the end of Jak 2, the Metal Heads invade the city and the remaining Underground and KG are forced to fight them off, as the streets are deserted and everybody is locked in their homes. By the start of Jak 3,Veger and his men blow up the Palace and kill 3/4th's of the remaining population, as the rest live as refugees in the port and fear constant attack from Metal Heads and Killer Robots. Jak is banished to the wasteland, and Haven is essentially a bunch of ruins, with the temporary Military fighting for the last surviving sections of the city. By the end of Jak X, It's assumed that Haven is repaired and has expanded, but anything can happen...
* In Jak II, you never get to see any children in Haven City, that is, until you escort the kid to the Power Station. In the middle of the mission, you hear a radio message stating that the baron wants every kid to be arrested... You never know what happened to them because '''the Baron killed them all.'''
** Really? Praxis would probably imprison children, then release them back to their families (or have them put into military camps to be raised as soldiers) once it is confirmed they are not the prince he is looking for. He may be an iron-fisted dictator who committed regicide to come into power, but not even he would swoop to the lows of Herod the Great.
* The Abandoned Research rig in The Lost Frontier. The level is very dark and has signs of what looks like a struggle before being abandoned, and is populated with Mutants and failed test subjects. And then there's the flashback that Jak gets halfway through the level, when he finds a chair similar to the one in Jak II. The laser lab, which comes up next, is the same idea, but with creepy elevator music at the end. The Music doesn't help as well.
* In Jak II, you never get to see any children in Haven City, that is, until you escort the kid to the Power Station. In the middle of the mission, you hear a radio message stating that the baron wants every kid to be arrested... You never know what happened to them because '''the Baron killed them all.'''
** Really? Praxis would probably imprison children, then release them back to their families (or have them put into military camps to be raised as soldiers) once it is confirmed they are not the prince he is looking for. He may be an iron-fisted dictator who committed regicide to come into power, but not even he would swoop to the lows of Herod the Great.
* The Abandoned Research rig in The Lost Frontier. The level is very dark and has signs of what looks like a struggle before being abandoned, and is populated with Mutants and failed test subjects. And then there's the flashback that Jak gets halfway through the level, when he finds a chair similar to the one in Jak II. The laser lab, which comes up next, is the same idea, but with creepy elevator music at the end. The Music doesn't help as well.
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* Haven City is off to a bad start by the start of the Baron's regime. The City is ruled by a dictator, there's riots and an ongoing civil war between Underground and KG soldiers, most of the city seems to live in poverty, constant metal head attacks, and the local police double as the Military. By the end of time Jak 2, 2 rolls around, the colorful world which was seen within the first game has been turned into a post-apocalyptic hellhole where Humans and Metal Heads invade are in perpetual war with each other, with no end in sight. Just how bad did opening the city and rift gate fuck things up?
* Errol is implied to be a commander in his mid 20s, where he attempts to sway Kiera, who is canonically 14-16 by theremaining Underground and KG are forced to fight them off, as the streets are deserted and everybody is locked in their homes. By the start time of Jak 3,Veger and his men blow up the Palace and kill 3/4th's 2. Make of the remaining population, as the rest live as refugees in the port and fear constant attack from Metal Heads and Killer Robots. Jak is banished to the wasteland, and Haven is essentially a bunch of ruins, with the temporary Military fighting for the last surviving sections of the city. By the end of Jak X, It's assumed that Haven is repaired and has expanded, but anything can happen...
* In Jak II, you never get to see any children in Haven City, that is, until you escort the kid to the Power Station. In the middle of the mission, you hear a radio message stating that the baron wants every kid to be arrested... You never knowwhat happened to them because '''the Baron killed them all.'''
** Really? Praxis would probably imprison children, then release them back to their families (or have them put into military camps to be raised as soldiers) once it is confirmed they are not the prince he is looking for. He may be an iron-fisted dictator who committed regicide to come into power, but not even he would swoop to the lows of Herod the Great.
* The Abandoned Research rig in The Lost Frontier. The level is very dark and has signs of what looks like a struggle before being abandoned, and is populated with Mutants and failed test subjects. And then there's the flashback that Jak gets halfway through the level, when he finds a chair similar to the one in Jak II. The laser lab, which comes up next, is the same idea, but with creepy elevator music at the end. The Music doesn't help as well.you will...
* Errol is implied to be a commander in his mid 20s, where he attempts to sway Kiera, who is canonically 14-16 by the
* In Jak II, you never get to see any children in Haven City, that is, until you escort the kid to the Power Station. In the middle of the mission, you hear a radio message stating that the baron wants every kid to be arrested... You never know
** Really? Praxis would probably imprison children, then release them back to their families (or have them put into military camps to be raised as soldiers) once it is confirmed they are not the prince he is looking for. He may be an iron-fisted dictator who committed regicide to come into power, but not even he would swoop to the lows of Herod the Great.
* The Abandoned Research rig in The Lost Frontier. The level is very dark and has signs of what looks like a struggle before being abandoned, and is populated with Mutants and failed test subjects. And then there's the flashback that Jak gets halfway through the level, when he finds a chair similar to the one in Jak II. The laser lab, which comes up next, is the same idea, but with creepy elevator music at the end. The Music doesn't help as well.
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** Really? Praxis would probably imprison children, then release them back to their families (or have them put into military camps to be raised as soldiers) once it is confirmed they are not the prince he is looking for. He may be an iron-fisted dictator who committed regicide to come into power, but even he swoop to the lows of Herod the Great.
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** Really? Praxis would probably imprison children, then release them back to their families (or have them put into military camps to be raised as soldiers) once it is confirmed they are not the prince he is looking for. He may be an iron-fisted dictator who committed regicide to come into power, but not even he would swoop to the lows of Herod the Great.
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** Actually, the end of the second game states that Jak has learned to control the Dark Eco within him, and is no longer at risk of him dying or being driven insane from it (indicating he's immune to Dark Eco, similar to [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Riku]]). He gets Light Eco in the third game, and Jak states that the Dark Eco is now "out of reach", and he feels a lot better. But in the end, I can see that things will be bright after all: Yes, Jak loses his father and the throne, but [[EarnYourHappyEnding he still got himself a happy ending]]; the world is saved, Haven will soon be rebuilt, he and Keira eventually become official, and the worst that can happen now are attacks from freelance criminals such as Rayn. The theme of the trilogy is "hope", after all.
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** Actually, the end of the second game states that Jak has learned to control the Dark Eco within him, and is no longer at risk of him dying or being driven insane from it (indicating he's immune to Dark Eco, similar to [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Riku]]). He gets Light Eco in the third game, and Jak states that the Dark Eco is now "out of reach", and he feels a lot better. But in the end, I can see that things will be bright after all: Yes, Jak loses his father and the throne, but [[EarnYourHappyEnding he still got himself a happy ending]]; the world is saved, Haven will soon be rebuilt, he and Keira eventually become official, and the worst that can happen now are attacks from freelance criminals such as Rayn. The theme of the trilogy is "hope", after all.all.
* Kor spends a lot of time at The Power Station in Jak II, at the end of the game it's revealed by Vin that the shield wall is down and Metal Heads are invading The City. Then you realize that Kor was there figuring out how to destroy the shield wall so that his army could now attack
* Kor spends a lot of time at The Power Station in Jak II, at the end of the game it's revealed by Vin that the shield wall is down and Metal Heads are invading The City. Then you realize that Kor was there figuring out how to destroy the shield wall so that his army could now attack
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There probably isn't any kids around is cuz since you can attack and even kill the townsfolk [=NPCs=] Naughty Dog probably didn't settle well with the idea of Jak(the hero and protagonist)attacking children. The game would've ended up as M/18 rated if they actually put child abuse in it. So they just didn't make any child [=NPCs=] wandering around and Praxis having them in custody is just an excuse to why.
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* Something that always bugged me is Dark Jak missing his signature horns in ''3''. But, if one thinks about all the Light Eco Jak had been exposed to balancing out the affects of the Dark Eco, then it makes perfect sense that he would physically be less "monstrous" as well!
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* Keira doesn't recognize Jak by his voice as he talks to her through the curtain in Jak II, but recognizes Daxter's voice immediately. This is because Jak was a [[Heroic Mime]] in the first game, with Daxter being his mouthpiece.
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* Keira doesn't recognize Jak by his voice as he talks to her through the curtain in Jak II, but recognizes Daxter's voice immediately. This is because Jak was a [[Heroic Mime]] HeroicMime in the first game, with Daxter being his mouthpiece.
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* Keira doesn't recognize Jak by his voice as he talks to her through the curtain in Jak II, but recognizes Daxter's voice immediately. This is because Jak was a [[Heroic Mime]] in the first game, with Daxter being his mouthpiece.
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* In Daxter's solo game, one of the Ottsel's misadventures results in him unintentionally blowing up a very large supply of Dark Eco. Lo and behold, chronologically later in Jak 2, we find out that Baron Praxis is under pressure from the Metal Head Leader over a missed shipment. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Huh]]. For an additional horror, given the short time that this takes place between this and Jak's rescue, its possible that this may have caused the Baron to increase Jak's torture in hopes of having his weapon...
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* In [[VideoGame/{{Daxter}} Daxter's solo game, game]], one of the Ottsel's misadventures results in him unintentionally blowing up a very large supply of Dark Eco. Lo and behold, chronologically later in Jak 2, we find out that Baron Praxis is under pressure from the Metal Head Leader over a missed shipment. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Huh]]. For an additional horror, given the short time that this takes place between this and Jak's rescue, its possible that this may have caused the Baron to increase Jak's torture in hopes of having his weapon...
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* Though the scene still bothers me, I can take better comfort with the reveal of the Precursors in ''VideoGame/Jak3Wastelander'' [[spoiler: as Ottsels]] now. Their justification: it was foreshadowed few times throughout the game, explains why Daxter is the way he is, is an entirely funny scene, and importantly, remained unpredictable and surprising. I'll never fully accept it, but I can appreciate the creators wanting to do something different and succeeding admirably. - @/NeoYi
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* Though the scene still bothers me, I can take better comfort with the reveal of the Precursors in ''VideoGame/Jak3Wastelander'' [[spoiler: as Ottsels]] Ottsels now. Their justification: it was foreshadowed few times throughout the game, explains why Daxter is the way he is, is an entirely funny scene, and importantly, remained unpredictable and surprising. I'll never fully accept it, but I can appreciate the creators wanting to do something different and succeeding admirably. - @/NeoYi
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* In the first exploreable area of Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy, upon visiting an ancient Precursor Oracle statue the human-turned ottsel Daxter verbally wonders if the precursors were as "UUUUUUUUUGGGGLYYYY, in person." [[spoiler: Two games later, we find that the precursors are all otsells and look nothing like their robots or statues; the form Daxter had taken was in fact a precursor!]]
* At the end of 3, [[spoiler: Jak chooses to stay behind with Daxter instead of going off to save the universe]]. What's not to say that he did all that and then went back in time to look like he stayed behind?
* At the end of 3, [[spoiler: Jak chooses to stay behind with Daxter instead of going off to save the universe]]. What's not to say that he did all that and then went back in time to look like he stayed behind?
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* In the first exploreable explorable area of Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy, upon visiting an ancient Precursor Oracle statue the human-turned ottsel Daxter verbally wonders if the precursors were as "UUUUUUUUUGGGGLYYYY, in person." [[spoiler: Two games later, we find that the precursors are all otsells ottsels and look nothing like their robots or statues; the form Daxter had taken was in fact a precursor!]]
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* At the end of 3,[[spoiler: Jak chooses to stay behind with Daxter instead of going off to save the universe]].universe. What's not to say that he did all that and then went back in time to look like he stayed behind?
* At the end of 3,
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* At first, one might questions how zoomers become so common place in the second game, considering Keira was working on one of the few in existence in the first game. Then, when it is revealed the city is actually [[spoiler: in the future]], it may be possible that Keira's work with the zoomer may have paved the way to them becoming more readily available, and even may have been the inspiration to make different variations, such as the car model. She wouldn't have invented them, but her work could have been the ground from which the others came from.
* So, ottsels are half-otter, half-weasel, right? But both those animals have short ears, so why does Daxter have (comparatively) long ears? (Hint: Look at the humans' ears). [[spoiler: Those humans have longer ears than Earth humans, so ottsels would have longer ears than Earth otters/weasels too!]]
* More of a Fridge Funny moment regarding [[spoiler: the true nature of ottsels]]. After Jak and Daxter save Seem from Erol and the Dark Makers he hints that he's aware of the fact that [[spoiler: Daxter, and other ottsels, are in fact Precursors]]. Seeing as he was allied with [[KnightTemplar Veger]] who was ''not'' aware of this either suggests a few things - Seem only found out before he was rescued, he always knew and refused to reveal this information... or he actually told Veger [[SarcasticConfession who didn't believe him]].
* In Daxter's solo game, one of the Ottsel's misadventures results in him unintentionally blowing up a very large supply of Dark Eco. Lo and behold, chronologically later in Jak 2, we find out that Baron Praxis is under pressure from the Metal Head Leader over a missed shipment. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Huh]]. For an additional horror, given the short time that this takes place between this and Jak's rescue, its possinble that this may have caused the Baron to increase Jak's torture in hopes of having his weapon...
* So, ottsels are half-otter, half-weasel, right? But both those animals have short ears, so why does Daxter have (comparatively) long ears? (Hint: Look at the humans' ears). [[spoiler: Those humans have longer ears than Earth humans, so ottsels would have longer ears than Earth otters/weasels too!]]
* More of a Fridge Funny moment regarding [[spoiler: the true nature of ottsels]]. After Jak and Daxter save Seem from Erol and the Dark Makers he hints that he's aware of the fact that [[spoiler: Daxter, and other ottsels, are in fact Precursors]]. Seeing as he was allied with [[KnightTemplar Veger]] who was ''not'' aware of this either suggests a few things - Seem only found out before he was rescued, he always knew and refused to reveal this information... or he actually told Veger [[SarcasticConfession who didn't believe him]].
* In Daxter's solo game, one of the Ottsel's misadventures results in him unintentionally blowing up a very large supply of Dark Eco. Lo and behold, chronologically later in Jak 2, we find out that Baron Praxis is under pressure from the Metal Head Leader over a missed shipment. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Huh]]. For an additional horror, given the short time that this takes place between this and Jak's rescue, its possinble that this may have caused the Baron to increase Jak's torture in hopes of having his weapon...
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* At first, one might questions how zoomers become so common place in the second game, considering Keira was working on one of the few in existence in the first game. Then, when it is revealed the city is actually [[spoiler: in the future]], future, it may be possible that Keira's work with the zoomer may have paved the way to them becoming more readily available, and even may have been the inspiration to make different variations, such as the car model. She wouldn't have invented them, but her work could have been the ground from which the others came from.
* So, ottsels are half-otter, half-weasel, right? But both those animals have short ears, so why does Daxter have (comparatively) long ears? (Hint: Look at the humans' ears).[[spoiler: Those humans have longer ears than Earth humans, so ottsels would have longer ears than Earth otters/weasels too!]]
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* More of a Fridge Funny moment regarding[[spoiler: the true nature of ottsels]]. ottsels. After Jak and Daxter save Seem from Erol and the Dark Makers he hints that he's aware of the fact that [[spoiler: Daxter, and other ottsels, are in fact Precursors]].Precursors. Seeing as he was allied with [[KnightTemplar Veger]] who was ''not'' aware of this either suggests a few things - Seem only found out before he was rescued, he always knew and refused to reveal this information... or he actually told Veger [[SarcasticConfession who didn't believe him]].
* In Daxter's solo game, one of the Ottsel's misadventures results in him unintentionally blowing up a very large supply of Dark Eco. Lo and behold, chronologically later in Jak 2, we find out that Baron Praxis is under pressure from the Metal Head Leader over a missed shipment. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Huh]]. For an additional horror, given the short time that this takes place between this and Jak's rescue, itspossinble possible that this may have caused the Baron to increase Jak's torture in hopes of having his weapon...
* So, ottsels are half-otter, half-weasel, right? But both those animals have short ears, so why does Daxter have (comparatively) long ears? (Hint: Look at the humans' ears).
* More of a Fridge Funny moment regarding
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* Haven City is off to a bad start by the start of the Baron's regime. The City is ruled by a dictator, there's riots and an ongoing civil war between Underground and KG soldiers, most of the city seems to live in poverty, constant metal head attacks, and the local police double as the Military. By the end of Jak 2, the [[spoiler: Metal Heads invade the city and the remaining Underground and KG are forced to fight them off,]] as the streets are deserted and everybody is locked in their homes. By the start of Jak 3,[[spoiler: Veger and his men]] blow up the Palace and kill 3/4th's of the remaining population, as the rest live as refugees in the port and fear constant attack from Metal Heads and Killer Robots. Jak is banished to the wasteland, and Haven is essentially a bunch of ruins, with the temporary Military fighting for the last surviving sections of the city. By the end of Jak X, It's assumed that Haven is repaired and has expanded, but anything can happen...
* In Jak II, you never get to see any children in Haven City, that is, until you escort the kid to the Power Station. In the middle of the mission, you hear a radio message stating that the baron wants every kid to be arrested... You never know what happened to them because[[spoiler: THE BARON KILLED THEM ALL.]]
** Really? [[spoiler:Praxis would probably imprison children, then release them back to their families (or have them put into military camps to be raised as soldiers) once it is confirmed they are not the prince he is looking for. He may be an iron-fisted dictator who committed regicide to come into power, but even he swoop to the lows of Herod the Great.]]
* In Jak II, you never get to see any children in Haven City, that is, until you escort the kid to the Power Station. In the middle of the mission, you hear a radio message stating that the baron wants every kid to be arrested... You never know what happened to them because[[spoiler: THE BARON KILLED THEM ALL.]]
** Really? [[spoiler:Praxis would probably imprison children, then release them back to their families (or have them put into military camps to be raised as soldiers) once it is confirmed they are not the prince he is looking for. He may be an iron-fisted dictator who committed regicide to come into power, but even he swoop to the lows of Herod the Great.]]
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* Haven City is off to a bad start by the start of the Baron's regime. The City is ruled by a dictator, there's riots and an ongoing civil war between Underground and KG soldiers, most of the city seems to live in poverty, constant metal head attacks, and the local police double as the Military. By the end of Jak 2, the [[spoiler: Metal Heads invade the city and the remaining Underground and KG are forced to fight them off,]] off, as the streets are deserted and everybody is locked in their homes. By the start of Jak 3,[[spoiler: Veger 3,Veger and his men]] men blow up the Palace and kill 3/4th's of the remaining population, as the rest live as refugees in the port and fear constant attack from Metal Heads and Killer Robots. Jak is banished to the wasteland, and Haven is essentially a bunch of ruins, with the temporary Military fighting for the last surviving sections of the city. By the end of Jak X, It's assumed that Haven is repaired and has expanded, but anything can happen...
* In Jak II, you never get to see any children in Haven City, that is, until you escort the kid to the Power Station. In the middle of the mission, you hear a radio message stating that the baron wants every kid to be arrested... You never know what happened to thembecause[[spoiler: THE BARON KILLED THEM ALL.]]
because '''the Baron killed them all.'''
** Really?[[spoiler:Praxis Praxis would probably imprison children, then release them back to their families (or have them put into military camps to be raised as soldiers) once it is confirmed they are not the prince he is looking for. He may be an iron-fisted dictator who committed regicide to come into power, but even he swoop to the lows of Herod the Great.]]
* In Jak II, you never get to see any children in Haven City, that is, until you escort the kid to the Power Station. In the middle of the mission, you hear a radio message stating that the baron wants every kid to be arrested... You never know what happened to them
** Really?
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* The Abandoned Research rig in The Lost Frontier. The level is very dark and has signs of what looks like a struggle before being abandoned, and is populated with Mutants and failed test subjects. And then there's the flashback that Jak gets halfway through the level, when [[spoiler: he finds a chair similar to the one in Jak II]]. The laser lab, which comes up next, is the same idea, but with creepy elevator music at the end. The Music doesn't help as well.
* More Fridge Tragedy if anything, but [[spoiler: Jak himself.]] (big spoilers for the whole trilogy) [[spoiler: He's never really had much of a choice in how he lives his life - he's basically a tool for other people, being ordered to do things, some of which involves risking his life (one of the people being Keira, his main love interest). ''Jak II'' reveals that a) he is royalty and b) he was only sent to the past in order to prepare to defeat Kor, and it also sees him being tortured for two years with Dark Eco which creates this monster inside of him. Erol - the very man who tortured him - seems to also have something going on with Keira, who refuses to listen to anything Jak says. ''Jak 3'' is even WORSE, starting off with him being kicked out of the city due to circumstances that were always beyond his control, Erol comes back to attempt to destroy him, finding out that his best friend is a god and having to accept that these three other ottsels are the all-powerful Precursors, thereby kicking his religion entirely in the face. Jak is also reunited with his father, Damas, who dies without ever knowing that his son is not only alive, but ''holding him in his arms as he dies'', and Jak also figures out that Damas is his father mere seconds after he dies. All his friends are spies or withholding information from him, which probably does nothing for his trust issues. Also, the Dark Eco in his veins is basically a ticking time bomb - it could kill him any second, or at the very least, drive him insane, with potentially disastrous consequences. On the bright side, he FINALLY gets a kiss! ...only it's with the daughter of the man who not only gave the order to torture Jak, but essentially demolished his family in the first place.]] This tropette would be surprised if [[spoiler: Jak lived to see much of his twenties.]]
** Actually, [[spoiler:the end of the second game states that Jak has learned to control the Dark Eco within him, and is no longer at risk of him dying or being driven insane from it (indicating he's immune to Dark Eco, similar to [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Riku]]). He gets Light Eco in the third game, and Jak states that the Dark Eco is now "out of reach", and he feels a lot better]]. But in the end, I can see that things will be bright after all: [[spoiler:Yes, Jak loses his father and the throne, but [[EarnYourHappyEnding he still got himself a happy ending]]; the world is saved, Haven will soon be rebuilt, he and Keira eventually become official, and the worst that can happen now are attacks from freelance criminals such as Rayn. The theme of the trilogy is "hope", after all]].
* More Fridge Tragedy if anything, but [[spoiler: Jak himself.]] (big spoilers for the whole trilogy) [[spoiler: He's never really had much of a choice in how he lives his life - he's basically a tool for other people, being ordered to do things, some of which involves risking his life (one of the people being Keira, his main love interest). ''Jak II'' reveals that a) he is royalty and b) he was only sent to the past in order to prepare to defeat Kor, and it also sees him being tortured for two years with Dark Eco which creates this monster inside of him. Erol - the very man who tortured him - seems to also have something going on with Keira, who refuses to listen to anything Jak says. ''Jak 3'' is even WORSE, starting off with him being kicked out of the city due to circumstances that were always beyond his control, Erol comes back to attempt to destroy him, finding out that his best friend is a god and having to accept that these three other ottsels are the all-powerful Precursors, thereby kicking his religion entirely in the face. Jak is also reunited with his father, Damas, who dies without ever knowing that his son is not only alive, but ''holding him in his arms as he dies'', and Jak also figures out that Damas is his father mere seconds after he dies. All his friends are spies or withholding information from him, which probably does nothing for his trust issues. Also, the Dark Eco in his veins is basically a ticking time bomb - it could kill him any second, or at the very least, drive him insane, with potentially disastrous consequences. On the bright side, he FINALLY gets a kiss! ...only it's with the daughter of the man who not only gave the order to torture Jak, but essentially demolished his family in the first place.]] This tropette would be surprised if [[spoiler: Jak lived to see much of his twenties.]]
** Actually, [[spoiler:the end of the second game states that Jak has learned to control the Dark Eco within him, and is no longer at risk of him dying or being driven insane from it (indicating he's immune to Dark Eco, similar to [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Riku]]). He gets Light Eco in the third game, and Jak states that the Dark Eco is now "out of reach", and he feels a lot better]]. But in the end, I can see that things will be bright after all: [[spoiler:Yes, Jak loses his father and the throne, but [[EarnYourHappyEnding he still got himself a happy ending]]; the world is saved, Haven will soon be rebuilt, he and Keira eventually become official, and the worst that can happen now are attacks from freelance criminals such as Rayn. The theme of the trilogy is "hope", after all]].
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* The Abandoned Research rig in The Lost Frontier. The level is very dark and has signs of what looks like a struggle before being abandoned, and is populated with Mutants and failed test subjects. And then there's the flashback that Jak gets halfway through the level, when [[spoiler: he finds a chair similar to the one in Jak II]].II. The laser lab, which comes up next, is the same idea, but with creepy elevator music at the end. The Music doesn't help as well.
* More Fridge Tragedy if anything, but[[spoiler: Jak himself.]] (big spoilers for the whole trilogy) [[spoiler: himself. He's never really had much of a choice in how he lives his life - he's basically a tool for other people, being ordered to do things, some of which involves risking his life (one of the people being Keira, his main love interest). ''Jak II'' reveals that a) he is royalty and b) he was only sent to the past in order to prepare to defeat Kor, and it also sees him being tortured for two years with Dark Eco which creates this monster inside of him. Erol - the very man who tortured him - seems to also have something going on with Keira, who refuses to listen to anything Jak says. ''Jak 3'' is even WORSE, starting off with him being kicked out of the city due to circumstances that were always beyond his control, Erol comes back to attempt to destroy him, finding out that his best friend is a god and having to accept that these three other ottsels are the all-powerful Precursors, thereby kicking his religion entirely in the face. Jak is also reunited with his father, Damas, who dies without ever knowing that his son is not only alive, but ''holding him in his arms as he dies'', and Jak also figures out that Damas is his father mere seconds after he dies. All his friends are spies or withholding information from him, which probably does nothing for his trust issues. Also, the Dark Eco in his veins is basically a ticking time bomb - it could kill him any second, or at the very least, drive him insane, with potentially disastrous consequences. On the bright side, he FINALLY gets a kiss! ...only it's with the daughter of the man who not only gave the order to torture Jak, but essentially demolished his family in the first place.]] This tropette would be surprised if [[spoiler: Jak lived to see much of his twenties.]]
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** Actually,[[spoiler:the the end of the second game states that Jak has learned to control the Dark Eco within him, and is no longer at risk of him dying or being driven insane from it (indicating he's immune to Dark Eco, similar to [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Riku]]). He gets Light Eco in the third game, and Jak states that the Dark Eco is now "out of reach", and he feels a lot better]]. better. But in the end, I can see that things will be bright after all: [[spoiler:Yes, Yes, Jak loses his father and the throne, but [[EarnYourHappyEnding he still got himself a happy ending]]; the world is saved, Haven will soon be rebuilt, he and Keira eventually become official, and the worst that can happen now are attacks from freelance criminals such as Rayn. The theme of the trilogy is "hope", after all]].all.
* More Fridge Tragedy if anything, but
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There probably isn't any kids around is cuz since you can attack and even kill the townsfolk NPCs Naughty Dog probably didn't settle well with the idea of Jak(the hero and protagonist)attacking children. The game would've ended up as M/18 rated if they actually put child abuse in it. So they just didn't make any child NPCs wandering around and Praxis having them in custody is just an excuse to why.
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There probably isn't any kids around is cuz since you can attack and even kill the townsfolk NPCs [=NPCs=] Naughty Dog probably didn't settle well with the idea of Jak(the hero and protagonist)attacking children. The game would've ended up as M/18 rated if they actually put child abuse in it. So they just didn't make any child NPCs [=NPCs=] wandering around and Praxis having them in custody is just an excuse to why.
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There probably isn't any kids around is cuz since you can attack and even kill the townsfolk NPCs Naughty Dog probably didn't settle well with the idea of Jak(the hero and protagonist)attacking children. The game would've ended up as M/18 rated if they actually put child abuse in it. So they just didn't make any child NPCs wandering around and Praxis having them in custody is just an excuse to why.
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* All those times where Daxter brags about his encounters with the Metal Heads and stating how he defeated them are actually true. In the interquel, his quest to save Jak involves taking a job as an exterminator to hunt the variant known as Metal Bugs.
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* In the first game, Jak is 15, and he does look to be a young teenager. Cut to him as a 17-year-old in ''II'', where he now looks about 25. Stress and the Dark Eco project accelerated his ageing.
* The separation of the quartet at the beginning of ''II'' only shows Jak and Daxter landing, at two years before Praxis' fall. It is implied that Samos and Keira were sent to different time periods in Haven City
** Keira could've been sent four years before the fall, making her being Samos' biological child more believable if she was 12 in the first game, and the time portal made her one year younger instead of three.
** Samos mentioned adding six rings to his log while waiting for Jak, implying he also entered Haven in a different time than his daughter and foster son.
* The separation of the quartet at the beginning of ''II'' only shows Jak and Daxter landing, at two years before Praxis' fall. It is implied that Samos and Keira were sent to different time periods in Haven City
** Keira could've been sent four years before the fall, making her being Samos' biological child more believable if she was 12 in the first game, and the time portal made her one year younger instead of three.
** Samos mentioned adding six rings to his log while waiting for Jak, implying he also entered Haven in a different time than his daughter and foster son.
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* A bit of an obvious one, but look at Dark Jak's appearance, pale blue skin, white hair, etc. Then remember the appearance of some ''other'' characters from the first game that were ''also'' "touched by dark eco."
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* Though the scene still bothers me, I can take better comfort with the reveal of the Precursors in ''[[JakAndDaxter Jak 3]]'' [[spoiler: as Ottsels]] now. Their justification: it was foreshadowed few times throughout the game, explains why Daxter is the way he is, is an entirely funny scene, and importantly, remained unpredictable and surprising. I'll never fully accept it, but I can appreciate the creators wanting to do something different and succeeding admirably. - @/NeoYi
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* Though the scene still bothers me, I can take better comfort with the reveal of the Precursors in ''[[JakAndDaxter Jak 3]]'' ''VideoGame/Jak3Wastelander'' [[spoiler: as Ottsels]] now. Their justification: it was foreshadowed few times throughout the game, explains why Daxter is the way he is, is an entirely funny scene, and importantly, remained unpredictable and surprising. I'll never fully accept it, but I can appreciate the creators wanting to do something different and succeeding admirably. - @/NeoYi
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* In Jak 2, you never get to see any children in Haven city, that is, until you escort the kid to the Power Station. In the middle of the mission, you hear a radio message stating that the baron wants every kid to be arrested... You never know what happened to them because[[spoiler: THE BARON KILLED THEM ALL.]]
* The Abandoned Research rig in The Lost Frontier. The level is very dark and has signs of what looks like a struggle before being abandoned, and is populated with Mutants and failed test subjects. And then there's the flashback that Jak gets halfway through the level, when [[spoiler: he finds a chair similar to the one in Jak 2]]. The laser lab, which comes up next, is the same idea, but with creepy elevator music at the end. The Music doesn't help as well.
* More Fridge Tragedy if anything, but [[spoiler: Jak himself.]] (big spoilers for the whole trilogy) [[spoiler: He's never really had much of a choice in how he lives his life - he's basically a tool for other people, being ordered to do things, some of which involves risking his life (one of the people being Keira, his main love interest). ''Jak II'' reveals that a) he is royalty and b) he was only sent to the past in order to prepare to defeat Kor, and it also sees him being tortured for two years with Dark Eco which creates this monster inside of him. Erol - the very man who tortured him - seems to also have something going on with Keira, who refuses to listen to anything Jak says. ''Jak 3'' is even WORSE, starting off with him being kicked out of the city due to circumstances that were always beyond his control, Erol comes back to attempt to destroy him, finding out that his best friend is a god and having to accept that these three other ottsels are the all-powerful Precursors, thereby kicking his religion entirely in the face. Jak is also reunited with his father, Damas, who dies without ever knowing that his son is not only alive, but ''holding him in his arms as he dies'', and Jak also figures out that Damas is his father mere seconds after he dies. All his friends are spies or withholding information from him, which probably does nothing for his trust issues. Also, the Dark Eco in his veins is basically a ticking time bomb - it could kill him any second, or at the very least, drive him insane, with potentially disastrous consequences. On the bright side, he FINALLY gets a kiss! ...only it's with the daughter of the man who not only gave the order to torture Jak, but essentially demolished his family in the first place.]] This tropette would be surprised if [[spoiler: Jak lived to see much of his twenties.]]
* The Abandoned Research rig in The Lost Frontier. The level is very dark and has signs of what looks like a struggle before being abandoned, and is populated with Mutants and failed test subjects. And then there's the flashback that Jak gets halfway through the level, when [[spoiler: he finds a chair similar to the one in Jak 2]]. The laser lab, which comes up next, is the same idea, but with creepy elevator music at the end. The Music doesn't help as well.
* More Fridge Tragedy if anything, but [[spoiler: Jak himself.]] (big spoilers for the whole trilogy) [[spoiler: He's never really had much of a choice in how he lives his life - he's basically a tool for other people, being ordered to do things, some of which involves risking his life (one of the people being Keira, his main love interest). ''Jak II'' reveals that a) he is royalty and b) he was only sent to the past in order to prepare to defeat Kor, and it also sees him being tortured for two years with Dark Eco which creates this monster inside of him. Erol - the very man who tortured him - seems to also have something going on with Keira, who refuses to listen to anything Jak says. ''Jak 3'' is even WORSE, starting off with him being kicked out of the city due to circumstances that were always beyond his control, Erol comes back to attempt to destroy him, finding out that his best friend is a god and having to accept that these three other ottsels are the all-powerful Precursors, thereby kicking his religion entirely in the face. Jak is also reunited with his father, Damas, who dies without ever knowing that his son is not only alive, but ''holding him in his arms as he dies'', and Jak also figures out that Damas is his father mere seconds after he dies. All his friends are spies or withholding information from him, which probably does nothing for his trust issues. Also, the Dark Eco in his veins is basically a ticking time bomb - it could kill him any second, or at the very least, drive him insane, with potentially disastrous consequences. On the bright side, he FINALLY gets a kiss! ...only it's with the daughter of the man who not only gave the order to torture Jak, but essentially demolished his family in the first place.]] This tropette would be surprised if [[spoiler: Jak lived to see much of his twenties.]]
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* In Jak 2, II, you never get to see any children in Haven city, City, that is, until you escort the kid to the Power Station. In the middle of the mission, you hear a radio message stating that the baron wants every kid to be arrested... You never know what happened to them because[[spoiler: THE BARON KILLED THEM ALL.]]
** Really? [[spoiler:Praxis would probably imprison children, then release them back to their families (or have them put into military camps to be raised as soldiers) once it is confirmed they are not the prince he is looking for. He may be an iron-fisted dictator who committed regicide to come into power, but even he swoop to the lows of Herod the Great.]]
* The Abandoned Research rig in The Lost Frontier. The level is very dark and has signs of what looks like a struggle before being abandoned, and is populated with Mutants and failed test subjects. And then there's the flashback that Jak gets halfway through the level, when [[spoiler: he finds a chair similar to the one in Jak2]].II]]. The laser lab, which comes up next, is the same idea, but with creepy elevator music at the end. The Music doesn't help as well.
* More Fridge Tragedy if anything, but [[spoiler: Jak himself.]] (big spoilers for the whole trilogy) [[spoiler: He's never really had much of a choice in how he lives his life - he's basically a tool for other people, being ordered to do things, some of which involves risking his life (one of the people being Keira, his main love interest). ''Jak II'' reveals that a) he is royalty and b) he was only sent to the past in order to prepare to defeat Kor, and it also sees him being tortured for two years with Dark Eco which creates this monster inside of him. Erol - the very man who tortured him - seems to also have something going on with Keira, who refuses to listen to anything Jak says. ''Jak 3'' is even WORSE, starting off with him being kicked out of the city due to circumstances that were always beyond his control, Erol comes back to attempt to destroy him, finding out that his best friend is a god and having to accept that these three other ottsels are the all-powerful Precursors, thereby kicking his religion entirely in the face. Jak is also reunited with his father, Damas, who dies without ever knowing that his son is not only alive, but ''holding him in his arms as he dies'', and Jak also figures out that Damas is his father mere seconds after he dies. All his friends are spies or withholding information from him, which probably does nothing for his trust issues. Also, the Dark Eco in his veins is basically a ticking time bomb - it could kill him any second, or at the very least, drive him insane, with potentially disastrous consequences. On the bright side, he FINALLY gets a kiss! ...only it's with the daughter of the man who not only gave the order to torture Jak, but essentially demolished his family in the first place.]] This tropette would be surprised if [[spoiler: Jak lived to see much of his twenties.]]]]
** Actually, [[spoiler:the end of the second game states that Jak has learned to control the Dark Eco within him, and is no longer at risk of him dying or being driven insane from it (indicating he's immune to Dark Eco, similar to [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Riku]]). He gets Light Eco in the third game, and Jak states that the Dark Eco is now "out of reach", and he feels a lot better]]. But in the end, I can see that things will be bright after all: [[spoiler:Yes, Jak loses his father and the throne, but [[EarnYourHappyEnding he still got himself a happy ending]]; the world is saved, Haven will soon be rebuilt, he and Keira eventually become official, and the worst that can happen now are attacks from freelance criminals such as Rayn. The theme of the trilogy is "hope", after all]].
** Really? [[spoiler:Praxis would probably imprison children, then release them back to their families (or have them put into military camps to be raised as soldiers) once it is confirmed they are not the prince he is looking for. He may be an iron-fisted dictator who committed regicide to come into power, but even he swoop to the lows of Herod the Great.]]
* The Abandoned Research rig in The Lost Frontier. The level is very dark and has signs of what looks like a struggle before being abandoned, and is populated with Mutants and failed test subjects. And then there's the flashback that Jak gets halfway through the level, when [[spoiler: he finds a chair similar to the one in Jak
* More Fridge Tragedy if anything, but [[spoiler: Jak himself.]] (big spoilers for the whole trilogy) [[spoiler: He's never really had much of a choice in how he lives his life - he's basically a tool for other people, being ordered to do things, some of which involves risking his life (one of the people being Keira, his main love interest). ''Jak II'' reveals that a) he is royalty and b) he was only sent to the past in order to prepare to defeat Kor, and it also sees him being tortured for two years with Dark Eco which creates this monster inside of him. Erol - the very man who tortured him - seems to also have something going on with Keira, who refuses to listen to anything Jak says. ''Jak 3'' is even WORSE, starting off with him being kicked out of the city due to circumstances that were always beyond his control, Erol comes back to attempt to destroy him, finding out that his best friend is a god and having to accept that these three other ottsels are the all-powerful Precursors, thereby kicking his religion entirely in the face. Jak is also reunited with his father, Damas, who dies without ever knowing that his son is not only alive, but ''holding him in his arms as he dies'', and Jak also figures out that Damas is his father mere seconds after he dies. All his friends are spies or withholding information from him, which probably does nothing for his trust issues. Also, the Dark Eco in his veins is basically a ticking time bomb - it could kill him any second, or at the very least, drive him insane, with potentially disastrous consequences. On the bright side, he FINALLY gets a kiss! ...only it's with the daughter of the man who not only gave the order to torture Jak, but essentially demolished his family in the first place.]] This tropette would be surprised if [[spoiler: Jak lived to see much of his twenties.
** Actually, [[spoiler:the end of the second game states that Jak has learned to control the Dark Eco within him, and is no longer at risk of him dying or being driven insane from it (indicating he's immune to Dark Eco, similar to [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Riku]]). He gets Light Eco in the third game, and Jak states that the Dark Eco is now "out of reach", and he feels a lot better]]. But in the end, I can see that things will be bright after all: [[spoiler:Yes, Jak loses his father and the throne, but [[EarnYourHappyEnding he still got himself a happy ending]]; the world is saved, Haven will soon be rebuilt, he and Keira eventually become official, and the worst that can happen now are attacks from freelance criminals such as Rayn. The theme of the trilogy is "hope", after all]].
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* More Fridge Tragedy if anything, but [[spoiler: Jak himself.]] (big spoilers for the whole trilogy) [[spoiler: He's never really had much of a choice in how he lives his life - he's basically a tool for other people, being ordered to do things, some of which involves risking his life (one of the people being Keira, his main love interest). ''Jak II'' reveals that a) he is royalty and b) he was only sent to the past in order to prepare to defeat Kor, and it also sees him being tortured for two years with Dark Eco which creates this monster inside of him. Erol - the very man who tortured him - seems to also have something going on with Keira, who refuses to listen to anything Jak says. ''Jak 3'' is even WORSE, starting off with him being kicked out of the city due to circumstances that were always beyond his control, Erol comes back to attempt to destroy him, finding out that his best friend is a god and having to accept that these three other ottsels are the all-powerful Precursors, thereby kicking his religion entirely in the face. Jak is also reunited with his father, Damas, who dies without ever knowing that his son is not only alive, but ''holding him in his arms as he dies'', and Jak also figures out that Damas is his father mere seconds after he dies. All his friends are spies or withholding information from him, which probably does nothing for his trust issues. Also, the Dark Eco in his veins is basically a ticking time bomb - it could kill him any second, or at the very least, drive him insane, with potentially disastrous consequences. On the bright side, he FINALLY gets a kiss! ...only it's with the daughter of the man who not only gave the order to torture Jak, but essentially demolished his family in the first place.]] This tropette would be surprised if [[spoiler: Jak lived to see his twenties.]]
** He lives to be 19 in TPL. So he's fine.
** He lives to be 19 in TPL. So he's fine.
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* More Fridge Tragedy if anything, but [[spoiler: Jak himself.]] (big spoilers for the whole trilogy) [[spoiler: He's never really had much of a choice in how he lives his life - he's basically a tool for other people, being ordered to do things, some of which involves risking his life (one of the people being Keira, his main love interest). ''Jak II'' reveals that a) he is royalty and b) he was only sent to the past in order to prepare to defeat Kor, and it also sees him being tortured for two years with Dark Eco which creates this monster inside of him. Erol - the very man who tortured him - seems to also have something going on with Keira, who refuses to listen to anything Jak says. ''Jak 3'' is even WORSE, starting off with him being kicked out of the city due to circumstances that were always beyond his control, Erol comes back to attempt to destroy him, finding out that his best friend is a god and having to accept that these three other ottsels are the all-powerful Precursors, thereby kicking his religion entirely in the face. Jak is also reunited with his father, Damas, who dies without ever knowing that his son is not only alive, but ''holding him in his arms as he dies'', and Jak also figures out that Damas is his father mere seconds after he dies. All his friends are spies or withholding information from him, which probably does nothing for his trust issues. Also, the Dark Eco in his veins is basically a ticking time bomb - it could kill him any second, or at the very least, drive him insane, with potentially disastrous consequences. On the bright side, he FINALLY gets a kiss! ...only it's with the daughter of the man who not only gave the order to torture Jak, but essentially demolished his family in the first place.]] This tropette would be surprised if [[spoiler: Jak lived to see much of his twenties.]]
** He lives to be 19 in TPL. So he's fine.]]
** He lives to be 19 in TPL. So he's fine.
