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** Huh, this troper always took it to be that Indy was a historian, a teacher, essentially a scientist of sorts, looking for facts to support beliefs. He doesn't immediately believe in the magic of something until he actually sees it work. Mola Ram on the other hand was just a religious hypocrite, twisting religious tales to suit his needs. My view was that, as Indy said, Mola Ram had betrayed his beliefs to benefit himself, while Indy, the objective outsider, may not be a believer but as such certainly wasn't betraying ANY beliefs, hence why the stones would work for him to smite Mola Ram with godly fury.

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** Huh, this troper always took it to be that Indy was a historian, a teacher, essentially a scientist of sorts, looking for facts to support beliefs. He doesn't immediately believe in the magic of something until he actually sees it work. Mola Ram on the other hand was just a religious hypocrite, twisting religious tales to suit his needs. My view was that, as Indy said, Mola Ram had betrayed his beliefs to benefit himself, while Indy, the objective outsider, may not be a believer but as such certainly wasn't betraying ANY beliefs, hence why the stones would work for him to smite Mola Ram with godly fury.
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* It wasn't because of plot convenience that Art Weber managed to book 3 seats on the plane even though Willie wasn't expected to be joining Indy and Short Round, her seat was supposed to be for Wu Han.
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* In the meeting between Indy and Lao Che, it's revealed that Indy had to fight off one of Lao Che's men who broke into Indy's place and tried to steal the ashes of Nurhaci. Why did Lau Che try to steal the ashes before the meeting? Because he probably thought that Indy would [[Film/IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade give them to a museum.]]

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* In the meeting between Indy and Lao Che, it's revealed that Indy had to fight off one of Lao Che's men who broke into Indy's place and tried to steal the ashes of Nurhaci. Why did Lau Lao Che try to steal the ashes before the meeting? Because he probably thought that Indy would [[Film/IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade give them to a museum.]]
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* After Indy and Lau Che exchange the remains of Nurhaci for a large diamond, Lau demands the diamond back in exchange for the antidote to the poison he just drank. The exchange does take place despite the ensuing chaos. Indy does end up with the antidote and the diamond gets lost in a pile of ice in Lau's club. All Lau has to do is wait for the ice to melt and pick up the piece that doesn't.
* In the meeting between Indy and Lau Che, it's revealed that Indy had to fight off one of Lau Che's men who broke into Indy's place and tried to steal the ashes of Nurhaci. Why did Lau Che try to steal the ashes before the meeting? Because he probably thought that Indy would [[Film/IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade give them to a museum.]]

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* After Indy and Lau Lao Che exchange the remains of Nurhaci for a large diamond, Lau Lao demands the diamond back in exchange for the antidote to the poison he just drank. The exchange does take place despite the ensuing chaos. Indy does end up with the antidote and the diamond gets lost in a pile of ice in Lau's Lao's club. All Lau has to do is wait for the ice to melt and pick up the piece that doesn't.
* In the meeting between Indy and Lau Lao Che, it's revealed that Indy had to fight off one of Lau Lao Che's men who broke into Indy's place and tried to steal the ashes of Nurhaci. Why did Lau Che try to steal the ashes before the meeting? Because he probably thought that Indy would [[Film/IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade give them to a museum.]]






* This movie chronologically takes place before ''Raiders of the Lost Ark''. Where happened to Short Round, Indy's KID sidekick, in between the two adventures?

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* This movie chronologically takes place before ''Raiders of the Lost Ark''. Where happened to Short Round, Indy's KID sidekick, KidSidekick, in between the two adventures?
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** Except for the fact that she finds and saves the antidote, thus saving Indy's life and allowing him to go on and save the children and get back the Sankara stones. Plus, since this movie is a prequel to ''Raiders'', this also allowed him to go on to his other adventures. ''Willie'' is essentially responsible for the whole Indiana Jones series!
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*** The {{Novelization}} says as much.
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*When Indy is hanging from the rope bridge the archers are given an easy shot but all miss Indy. One could easily assume that these archers went to the Storm Trooper Marksmanship Academy, especially in a Lucas production, but in fact numerous hymns in the Vedas refer to the Gods making it so no arrow can touch a warrior. Indy isn't lucky, and the archers aren't bad, but he's literally being shielded by the Hindu Gods.
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* Regarding the execution chamber that Indy and Short Round are almost skewered by. Just how many people were executed this way back in the day? This has to be a particularly horrific way to die. Alternatively, if this really is a booby trap more than an execution chamber it's not hard to imagine the terror that goes through that person's mind as they are doomed to a painful death.
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** There's also the relatively-small matter of Mola Ram's bull-horn headdress. Not only is he invoking Satanic imagery for Christians, he's desecrating a sacred animal for Hindus. He's a blasphemer in two religious.

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** There's also the relatively-small matter of Mola Ram's bull-horn headdress. Not only is he invoking Satanic imagery for Christians, he's desecrating a sacred animal for Hindus. He's a blasphemer in two religious.religious traditions.
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** There's also the relatively-small matter of Mola Ram's bull-horn headdress. Not only is he invoking Satanic imagery for Christians, he's desecrating a sacred animal for Hindus. He's a blasphemer in two religious.
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* When the Thugee acolytes are placing the Sankara stones in the skull, there's only three stones, held by one person each, yet when they back away from the statue, we can see there's two others standing by. They were waiting for when the two missing stones were finally found in the mines
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** Personally I always viewed it that Mola Ram's arrogant claim of 'the stones are mine' is what ultimately ruined him, as the stones were never 'his' to begin with. They were a gift from the gods to humanity, but a gift similar to letting someone borrow your car. If you don't treat it right, they might just take it back. Mola Ram seemed in control of the situation, until he flat-out stated the stones were his property, leading Indy to retort with how he was betraying the gods with those words. The stones were ''never'' his. Thus, the stones burned his hand when he grabbed them, but left Indy alone
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* A small one, but why did Art Weber arrange three seats, when he would have had no idea Willie was coming? Simple: the third seat was for Wu Han
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* In the meeting between Indy and Lau Che, it's revealed that Indy had to fight off one of Lau Che's men who broke into Indy's place and tried to steal the ashes of Nurhaci. Why did Lau Che try to steal the ashes before the meeting? Because he probably thought that Indy would [[Film/IndianaJonesAndTheLastCrusade give them to a museum.]]
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** Though perhaps some joined ''willingly'' and could be MoreThanMindControl, as the cultist Shorty burned before Indy ''still'' tried to lower Willie into the lava.
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* After Indy and Lau Che exchange the remains of Nurhaci for a large diamond, Lau demands the diamond back in exchange for the antidote to the poison he just drank. The exchange does take place despite the ensuing chaos. Indy does end up with the antidote and the diamond gets lost in a pile of ice in Lau's club. All Lau has to do is wait for the ice to melt and pick up the piece that doesn't.
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* Wow, nice dance number there, but if it took place in a massive auditorium behind the club's stage, and there was no way to televise it back in 1935, who in the club was even able to ''watch'' the performance?
** It might be Willie's ImagineSpot. This is actually suggested in James Kahn's novelization.
** Or just a joke (at the fourth wall's expense) about how they used to shoot extra material (or use recycled material from earlier films) and splice it into movies to make them longer. The obvious break and different quality in video would play into that sort of meta-humor. Remember that these films are send-ups of old pulp serials.
** Or a more mundane explanation, there's a movie screen in there and they basically cut to a much bigger pre-filmed dance number that was being projected on the screen.
*** In colour in 1935?
*** Kinemacolor was invented in 1908 and Technicolor was invented in 1916. So yeah, maybe.
*** That Willie interacts with?
* Lao-Che, Lao-Che... after you brilliantly got Indy to drink poison, why tell him? If you'd just kept him talking for a few minutes you could have simply taken the diamond off his corpse.
** He would have, but he caught the VillainBall offscreen and decided that simply letting the poison do its thing wouldn't be diabolical enough.
** Also, Indy embarrassed the family by injuring and nearly killing Kao Kan the previous night, which probably left them furious. Lao doesn't just want keep the diamond, he wants to pay back Indy by beating him, making sure he knows he beat him, and gloating about it to his face. Doesn't end well for him, of course.
* As annoying as Willie's constant shrieking can get, remember that she's just an average woman who until recently was living a very pampered life caught up in what at many times is an utterly ''terrifying'' situation, and suddenly her reactions are a lot more understandable.

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*** Exactly, he wanted Indy to ''break'' her heart.



** Of course, Indy was too focused thinking about Willie.

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** Of course, Indy was too focused busy thinking about Willie.Willie to notice.




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** That, or it's a fictional species of bats.

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** Huh, this troper always took it to be that Indy was a historian, a teacher, essentially a scientist of sorts, looking for facts to support beliefs. He doesn't immediately believe in the magic of something until he actually sees it work. Mola Ram on the other hand was just a religious hypocrite, twisting religious tales to suit his needs. My view was that, as Indy said, Mola Ram had betrayed his beliefs to benefit himself, while Indy, the objective outsider, may not be a believer but as such certainly wasn't betraying ANY beliefs, hence why the stones would work for him to smite Mola Ram with godly fury

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** Huh, this troper always took it to be that Indy was a historian, a teacher, essentially a scientist of sorts, looking for facts to support beliefs. He doesn't immediately believe in the magic of something until he actually sees it work. Mola Ram on the other hand was just a religious hypocrite, twisting religious tales to suit his needs. My view was that, as Indy said, Mola Ram had betrayed his beliefs to benefit himself, while Indy, the objective outsider, may not be a believer but as such certainly wasn't betraying ANY beliefs, hence why the stones would work for him to smite Mola Ram with godly fury
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** There are a lot of indignant viewers who roll out the blackboard and address the film's numerous inaccuracies when it comes to Hinduism, even though it's fairly clear that whatever religion the Thuggee in the movie are practicing, it's either an extremely corrupted version of Hinduism, like what the People's Temple was to Christianity, or it's not Hinduism at all. Who says they couldn't serve eyeball soup and monkey brains if they're already not adhering to Hindu customs?



** If you look closely, he was already right there when Indy says "''I'm'' a conceded ape?".

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** If you look closely, he was already right there when Indy says "''I'm'' a conceded conceited ape?".
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** If you look closely, he was already right there when Indy says "''I'm'' a conceded ape?".
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* How long was the Thuggee assassin standing there in Indy's room, undetected and watching, until he had the opportunity to attack?
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** Huh, this troper always took it to be that Indy was a historian, a teacher, essentially a scientist of sorts, looking for facts to support beliefs. He doesn't immediately believe in the magic of something until he actually sees it work. Mola Ram on the other hand was just a religious hypocrite, twisting religious tales to suit his needs. My view was that, as Indy said, Mola Ram had betrayed his beliefs to benefit himself, while Indy, the objective outsider, may not be a believer but as such certainly wasn't betraying ANY beliefs, hence why the stones would work for him to smite Mola Ram with godly fury
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****If you look closely, he's with Blumbertt and his men when they arrived to save Indy.
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** It could also be an attempt to mess with those interfering and stupid white foreigners by feeding them literal NauseaFuel so they'd get the hint and leave.

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** It could also be an attempt to mess with those interfering and stupid white foreigners by feeding them literal NauseaFuel so they'd get the hint and leave.leave.
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* The infamous dinner scene in the palace. When I was younger, I thought it was just a typical, "Wow, foreign cultures have really weird diets". It wasn't until I was older that I thought it wasn't the regional culture that brought the menu to the palace. It's a sign that the corruption of the Thuggee cult is becoming more powerful, and that the local nobles are being corrupted by Mola Ram's efforts.

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* The infamous dinner scene in the palace. When I was younger, I thought it was just a typical, "Wow, foreign cultures have really weird diets". It wasn't until I was older that I thought it wasn't the regional culture that brought the menu to the palace. It's a sign that the corruption of the Thuggee cult is becoming more powerful, and that the local nobles are being corrupted by Mola Ram's efforts.efforts.
** It could also be an attempt to mess with those interfering and stupid white foreigners by feeding them literal NauseaFuel so they'd get the hint and leave.
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*** Seeing how he was able to give Short Round precise directions to escape the mine off the top of his head, dollars to donuts the Maharajah was able to get himself to safety just fine.
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** Also, it was the brainwashed kid Maharaja whipping Shorty; he could probably just swing it hard enough to sting, but not do any real damage unlike the Taskmaster, who whips Indy hard enough to leave bloody gashes all over his back.
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* Short Round barely cries out when being whipped. Indy says he been on the street since the age of ''four''. It's not hard to imagine he had endured ''worse''.

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* Short Round barely cries out when being whipped. Indy says he been on the street since the age of ''four''. It's not hard to imagine he had endured ''worse''.''worse''.
* The infamous dinner scene in the palace. When I was younger, I thought it was just a typical, "Wow, foreign cultures have really weird diets". It wasn't until I was older that I thought it wasn't the regional culture that brought the menu to the palace. It's a sign that the corruption of the Thuggee cult is becoming more powerful, and that the local nobles are being corrupted by Mola Ram's efforts.
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** Just what exactly happened to the prince ''after'' being brainwashed? Short Round snapped him out of it, then skedaddled with Willie and Indie. ''They left a child in the mine.''
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* Why the stones worked in Indy's favor even though he didn't worship Shiva. The Shaman prayed to Shiva prior to their departure to Pankot to help guide them. So Shiva was on his side, whether he worshiped Shiva or not. As well as the fact that because Indy spoke Hindi, he knew how to invoke Shiva through the stones just by knowing the language. Whilst Mola Ram who was aware of both Shiva and Kali pretty much tarnished the former. Gods get more pissed off at believers tarnishing their truths than those that don't believe in them at all. In addition, Shiva specifically has been known to acknowledge worship even when it's inadvertent and the worshiper doesn't know or realize what he's doing: there is a Hindu story of a thief who receives Shiva's blessing after the thief spends the night hiding in a tree. The tree is a kind sacred to Shiva, and the thief spends the night idly pulling leaves from the tree and dropping them, where they land on a Shivalingam together with milk dripping from the thief's sack of food. If Shiva will acknowledge that, Indy's heartfelt denunciation of Mola Ram in Shiva's name would likely qualify as well.

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* Why the stones worked in Indy's favor even though he didn't worship Shiva. The Shaman prayed to Shiva prior to their departure to Pankot to help guide them. So Shiva was on his side, whether he worshiped worshipped Shiva or not. As well as the fact that because Indy spoke Hindi, he knew how to invoke Shiva through the stones just by knowing the language. Whilst Mola Ram who was aware of both Shiva and Kali pretty much tarnished the former. Gods get more pissed off at believers tarnishing their truths than those that don't believe in them at all. In addition, Shiva specifically has been known to acknowledge worship even when it's inadvertent and the worshiper worshipper doesn't know or realize what he's doing: there is a Hindu story of a thief who receives Shiva's blessing after the thief spends the night hiding in a tree. The tree is a kind sacred to Shiva, and the thief spends the night idly pulling leaves from the tree and dropping them, where they land on a Shivalingam together with milk dripping from the thief's sack of food. If Shiva will acknowledge that, Indy's heartfelt denunciation of Mola Ram in Shiva's name would likely qualify as well.



** That and the possibility that he doesn't truly believe in the god he claims to worship and that he's simply using his self proclaimed belief to control the other Thugees. [[TruthInTelevision Like a real cult.]]

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** That and the possibility that he doesn't truly believe in the god he claims to worship and that he's simply using his self proclaimed belief to control the other Thugees.Thuggees. [[TruthInTelevision Like a real cult.]]




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* In typical ''Indiana Jones'' ArtisticLicenceBiology fashion, we get the line, "Those aren't big birds, sweetheart, they're giant vampire bats." They're actually fruit bats; vampires are small, nocturnal, and South American, all of which the well-travelled Indy should know. But this is ''Indy'' telling ''Willie'', and she's been getting on his nerves for the last day and a half. He's winding her up.

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