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** Of course he could also be saying that they're [[BackhandedCompliment collectively worth about as much as two wolves]]. And while he may refer to Fenrisian wolves, those still would only last so long against Daemons.
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** He's lasted for MILLENNIA inside the Warp, particularly in Tzeentch's labyrinth. At this point if he couldn't use the most advanced magic imaginable then he wouldn't have lasted that long. It also helps that he is a Primarch, and is siblings would probably be able to deal with them similarly, albeit with less magic and more bullets.
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** Well, if Starker counts, then it is painful, but they survive. Granted, Starker is about a quarter cybernetic and a Catachan, so normal is a bit relative...
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** Well, if Starker Straken counts, then it is painful, but they survive. Granted, Starker Straken is about a quarter cybernetic and a Catachan, so normal is a bit relative...
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* Disturbing as they may be when they get ''really'' insane, it makes sense that the Custodes are so unhinged. They were practically emotionless automatons before the Emperor was placed on the Golden Throne and they've had ''thousands of years'' for that emotionless mental conditioning to degrade, leaving them to be overwhelmed and made unstable by emotions they don't know how to process. It leans a bit into FridgeHorror when you realize that the cadre of elite [[SuperSoldier Super Soldiers]] who are only succeeded by the Primarchs themselves in advancement have been left with emotions they don't understand and due to being the only ones allowed in the Imperial Palace, ''no one to explain how to cope with said emotions to them.''
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* Disturbing as they may be when they get ''really'' insane, it makes sense that the Custodes are so unhinged. They were practically emotionless automatons before the Emperor was placed on the Golden Throne and they've had ''thousands of years'' for that emotionless mental conditioning to degrade, leaving them to be overwhelmed and made unstable by emotions they don't know how to process. It leans a bit into FridgeHorror when you realize that the cadre of elite [[SuperSoldier Super Soldiers]] who are only succeeded by the Primarchs themselves in advancement have been left with emotions they don't understand understand, and due to being the only ones allowed in the Imperial Palace, ''no no one to explain how to cope with said emotions to them.''
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** [[spoiler: As of episode 26, we see that he ''has'' survived. His judgement is ''still'' questionable, allowing his hatred of Adrielle to overwhelm him into launching an attack that catches Skarbrand in the blast radius. Not only does this show that he is in no way infallible, but it provides a pretty good reason for why Skarbrand attacked in the first place!]]
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** On a practical level, he's also stated that he genuinely doesn't mind aliens as long as they don't target humanity or they are under his control. So having LIIVI in a relationship would not only endear a powerful Farseer to humanity, which would make her group a little safer for mankind as a whole.
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The Ultramarines capturing Magnus predates that event and explicit mentions of Cato going into the Warp without Gellar Fields are made. In addition, most of the 8th edition events are considered non-canon to the TT Sverse.
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Added a point to the Taco Day argument. Attached link goes to 1d4chan instead of the Warhammer wiki as it specifically mentions the nickname Mexican Marines to help cement the connection.
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** It should be noted that Illiyan was '''never''' implanted with gene-seed or '''actually made''' into a Space Marine. The Ultramarines at the time of his fluff allowed non-Astartes to work within their ranks. Maybe Calgar considers a non-Astare Chief Librarian to be an OldShame?
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* The ease with which [[spoiler:the Ultramarines capture Magnus]] seems at first like just another example of their [[MarySue Mary-Sueishness]] until you recall that [[spoiler:in the end of Wrath of Magnus, the Thousand Sons were able to force the Planet of the Sorcerers, their base, into realspace. The Ultramarines didn't have to go into the Eye of Terror to get to Magnus at all, no wonder they survived what was supposed to be a suicide mission! Admittedly kidnapping a Daemon Primarch from a daemon world would've still been a monumental undertaking, but it's still more believable than what we had before.]]
* The ease with which [[spoiler:the Ultramarines capture Magnus]] seems at first like just another example of their [[MarySue Mary-Sueishness]] until you recall that [[spoiler:in the end of Wrath of Magnus, the Thousand Sons were able to force the Planet of the Sorcerers, their base, into realspace. The Ultramarines didn't have to go into the Eye of Terror to get to Magnus at all, no wonder they survived what was supposed to be a suicide mission! Admittedly kidnapping a Daemon Primarch from a daemon world would've still been a monumental undertaking, but it's still more believable than what we had before.]]
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** It should be noted that Illiyan was '''never''' implanted with gene-seed or '''actually made''' into a Space Marine. The Ultramarines at the time of his fluff allowed non-Astartes to work within their ranks. Maybe Calgar considers him the chapter's a non-Astare Chief Librarian to be an OldShame?
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** It should be noted that Illiyan was '''never''' implanted with gene-seed or '''actually made''' into a Space Marine. The Ultramarines at the time of his fluff allowed non-Astartes to work within their ranks. Maybe Calgar considers him the chapter's OldShame?
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* Dorn insists on being referred to by his wall name because he is not ready to reveal to his children that he is still alive.
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* Why doesn't Calgar want Astropath Illiyan to have any screen time? Because he is most likely not canon anymore. Illiyan is most likely Chief Librarian Astropath Illiyan Nastase, who dates back to when 40k was still called ''Rogue Trader''. While he has never outright been declared non-canon, the fact that he is ''half-eldar'', and a half-eldar Space Marine at that, means that he ''probably'' not canon.
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* Dorn's wall name "Adorable" in the Podcast episodes is him trolling the Emperor who, before learning that the centurion he used as a hug toy was Dorn, referred to him as adorable.
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* The Emperor allowing LIIVI to have relations with Taldeer seems off, as the Emperor is known to spout out just how perfect humanity is and how the Eldar have problems. Then we learn that the main reason the Emperor made the Imperial webway is so he can get it on with Eldar hookers. As we all know, the Emperor is always right. By this reasoning the Emperor has to allow the relationship or else he would seem like a hypocrite.
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* The podcast's second episode (''[[NonindicativeName Episode 1]]: The Last Church'') has Rogal Dorn showing Boy a serious amount of kindness even while the Custodes act like complete jerks to him. To the Custodes, Boy's needs and position are so far below them that he shouldn't even be in the Emperor's presence. To the Emperor, while Boy hasn't had a chance to know or be any better than he is as an individual due to the myriad failings of the Imperium, he's still just one of a great mass of ignorant baseline humanity who need to be uplifted and improved in ways only the Emperor knows, by any means necessary. But think of what Rogal Dorn and the rest of the Imperial Fists value: stoic resilience in the face of overwhelming danger, determination to do one's duty, and unshakeable loyalty to the Emperor. These are the traits of the people of Inwit, the frigid Death World on which Rogal Dorn was raised. Boy did not complain when the Emperor changed his name. Boy, while obviously frightened by the creepy half-naked supermen standing over him and taunting him, still does his duty as he was commanded. Boy is no SpaceMarine, nor even a BadassNormal. He's a malnourished and terrified child standing in a room full of people who are bigger, stronger, smarter, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and]] [[GoldColoredSuperiority more golden]] than he ever will be. But despite all that, he embodies as much as he can of the very same values believed in by the people of Inwit. Rogal Dorn may see in Boy some spark of the same things that every Imperial Fist inherited from their Primarch, and it may well impress him on some level.
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* The podcast's second episode (''[[NonindicativeName Episode 1]]: The Last Church'') has Rogal Dorn showing Boy a serious amount of kindness even while the Custodes act like complete jerks to him. To the Custodes, Boy's needs and position are so far below them that he shouldn't even be in the Emperor's presence. To the Emperor, while Boy hasn't had a chance to know or be any better than he is as an individual due to the myriad failings of the Imperium, he's still just one of a great mass of ignorant baseline humanity who need to be uplifted and improved in ways only the Emperor knows, by any means necessary. But think of what Rogal Dorn and the rest of the Imperial Fists value: stoic resilience in the face of overwhelming danger, determination to do one's duty, and unshakeable loyalty to the Emperor. These are the traits of the people of Inwit, the frigid Death World on which Rogal Dorn was raised. Boy did not complain when the Emperor changed his name. Boy, while obviously failing in the stoic department, being frightened by the creepy half-naked supermen standing over him and taunting him, still does his duty as he was commanded. Boy is no SpaceMarine, nor even a BadassNormal. He's a malnourished and terrified child standing in a room full of people who are bigger, stronger, smarter, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and]] [[GoldColoredSuperiority more golden]] than he ever will be. But despite all that, he embodies as much as he can of the very same values believed in by the people of Inwit. Rogal Dorn may see in Boy some spark of the same things that every Imperial Fist inherited from their Primarch, and it may well impress him on some level.
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* In the ''Black Templars'' Podcast episode, Custodisi gets upset about the Emperor's hypocrisy and specifically brings up the Council of Nikea- which he refers to by the nickname "The Trial of Magnus." Remember during Episode 23 and 24, Custodisi showed sexual interest in Magnus? Mayhaps these two things are related...
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* In the ''Black Templars'' Podcast episode, Custodisi gets upset about the Emperor's hypocrisy and specifically brings up the Council of Nikea- which he refers to by the nickname "The Trial of Magnus." Remember during Episode 23 and 24, when Custodisi showed sexual interest in Magnus? Magnus during Episodes 23 and 24? Mayhaps these two things are related...
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* In the ''Black Templars'' Podcast episode, Custodisi gets upset about the Emperor's hypocrisy, hypocrisy and specifically brings up the Council of Nikea- which he refers to by the nickname "The Trial of Magnus." Remember during Episode 23 and 24, Custodisi showed some intense sexual interest in Magnus? Mayhaps these two things are related...
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* In the ''Black Templars'' Podcast episode, Custodisi gets upset about the Emperor's hypocrisy, specifically the Council of Nikea- which he refers to by the nickname "The Trial of Magnus." Remember during Episode 23, Custodisi showed sexual interest in Magnus specifically? Mayhaps these two things are related...
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* In the ''Black Templars'' Podcast episode, Custodisi gets upset about the Emperor's hypocrisy, specifically the Council of Nikea- which he refers to by the nickname "The Trial of Magnus." Remember during Episode 23, 23 and 24, Custodisi showed some intense sexual interest in Magnus specifically? Magnus? Mayhaps these two things are related...
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* In the ''Black Templars'' Podcast episode, Custodisi gets upset about the Emperor's hypocrisy, specifically the Council of Nikea- which he refers to by the nickname "The Trial of Magnus." Remember when during Episode 23, Custodisi showed sexual interest in Magnus specifically during episode 23? specifically? Mayhaps these two things are related...
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* In the ''Black Templars'' Podcast episode, Custodisi gets upset about the Emperor's hypocrisy, specifically the Council of Nikea- which he refers to by the nickname "The Trial of Magnus." Remember when Custodisi showed sexual interest in Magnus specifically during episode 23? Mayhaps these two are related...
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* Why is Vulkan so prone to dumb decisions that tend to get him killed? He's got resurrective immortality, he literally can't die no matter what, couple with being infected with Ork logic, it becomes clear he simply doesn't see a reason to get concerned over his own death if he's just gonna come back fine a few minutes later.
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* In BRO TRIP 40,000: A Tale of Two Primarchs, Vulkan cheerfully tells the Catachan Barking Toad that they "shall be friends for a lifetime". Considering that Vulkan's boop caused the toad to explode and kill Vulkan [[RunningGag again]] he was technically right.
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* Vulkan's LoveFreak tendencies cause him to give big hugs to those around him. He's [[TheBigGuy the biggest]] [[SuperStrength and strongest of]] the Primarchs. His hugs can be "merely" painful to other Primarchs, WordOfGod says they can cause a degree of injury to [[SuperSoldier his sons]] [[SpaceMarine the Salamanders]], it's probably somewhere in between for the Adeptus Custodes like Kitten who are to a Space Marine as a Space Marine is to a normal human but who are still less than the only-technically-not-gods Primarchs... [[DoesNotKnowHisOwnStrength What happens when Vulkan]] [[AndCallHimGeorge tries to share his friendship with]] ''[[KilledOffForReal normal humans]]''?humans]]''?
* In BRO TRIP 40,000: A Tale of Two Primarchs, Vulkan cheerfully tells the Catachan Barking Toad that they "shall be friends for a lifetime". Considering that Vulkan's boop caused the toad to explode and kill Vulkan [[RunningGag again]], he was technically right.
* In BRO TRIP 40,000: A Tale of Two Primarchs, Vulkan cheerfully tells the Catachan Barking Toad that they "shall be friends for a lifetime". Considering that Vulkan's boop caused the toad to explode and kill Vulkan [[RunningGag again]], he was technically right.
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* In BRO TRIP 40,000: A Tale of Two Primarchs, Vulkan cheerfully tells the Catachan Barking Toad that they "shall be friends for a lifetime". Considering that Vulkan's boop caused the toad to explode and kill Vulkan [[RunningGag again]] he was technically right.
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** Furthermore, Dorn's actions towards Boy are somewhat grandfather-like, such as letting the kid sit on his lap for story time. Unlike most of the other Primarchs, Dorn was [[RaisedByGrandparents raised by an adoptive grandfather]], meaning this is him caring for Boy the same way Dorn's caretaker cared for him.
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* The revelation that the three custodes are Tribunes makes their holding back Daemon!Magnus hilariously appropriate given the insanely broken rules attached to Custodian Tribunes.
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* The podcast's second episode (''[[NonindicativeName Episode 1]]: The Last Church'') has Rogal Dorn showing Boy a serious amount of kindness even while the Custodes act like complete jerks to him. To the Custodes, Boy's needs and position are so far below them that he shouldn't even be in the Emperor's presence. To the Emperor, while Boy hasn't had a chance to know or be any better than he is as an individual due to the myriad failings of the Imperium, he's still just one of a great mass of ignorant baseline humanity who need to be uplifted and improved in ways only the Emperor knows, by any means necessary. But think of what Rogal Dorn and the rest of the Imperial Fists value: stoic resilience in the face of overwhelming danger, determination to do one's duty, and unshakeable loyalty to the Emperor. These are the traits of the people of Inwit, the frigid Death World on which Rogal Dorn was raised. Boy did not complain when the Emperor changed his name. Boy, while obviously frightened by the creepy half-naked supermen standing over him and taunting him, still does his duty as he was commanded. Boy is no SpaceMarine, nor even a BadassNormal. He's a malnourished and terrified child standing in a room full of people who are bigger, stronger, smarter, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and]] [[GoldColoredSuperiority more golden]] than he ever will be. But despite all that, he embodies as much as he can of the very same values believed in by the people of Inwit. Rogal Dorn may see in Boy some spark of the same things that every Imperial Fist inherited from their Primarch, and it may well impress him on some level.
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** Vulkan's LoveFreak tendencies cause him to give big hugs to those around him. He's [[TheBigGuy the biggest]] [[SuperStrength and strongest of]] the Primarchs. His hugs can be "merely" painful to other Primarchs, WordOfGod says they can cause a degree of injury to [[SuperSoldier his sons]] [[SpaceMarine the Salamanders]], it's probably somewhere in between for the Adeptus Custodes like Kitten who are to a Space Marine as a Space Marine is to a normal human but who are still less than the only-technically-not-gods Primarchs... [[DoesNotKnowHisOwnStrength What happens when Vulkan]] [[AndCallHimGeorge tries to share his friendship with]] ''[[KilledOffForReal normal humans]]''?
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