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* The Shieldwing is explicitly broken, given we see it functioning as a shield before Aloy kills the guy who had it originally, and after she picks it up she notices it can't do that anymore. It occasionally flickers and sparks while being used. This suggests the possibility that it might suddenly shut off at any time, possibly while Aloy is hundreds of feet in the air.
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* Sylens learned about Nemesis and how to defeat the Zeniths' shields from HADES. But why would HADES know about those things, which are completely outside of its experience? Because the extinction signal wasn't intended to simply exterminate life on Earth, but specifically to exterminate the Zeniths if they tried to flee to Earth. So naturally Nemesis would give HADES information about the Zeniths' weak points and how to exploit them. HADES probably deduced the existence and nature of Nemesis based on this information.
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* At the end of the story, in order to get past an army of Spectres, Aloy makes Beta release HEPHESTUS into the Zenith (more powerful than Zero Dawns) printing controls, so it can build an army of machines to fight them, then it goes back to the cauldron network, except now, it has the knowledge on how to print machines much faster and probably more powerful than ever, the only glimmer of hope is that when they captured it, the code Aloy and Beta were removing made it slightly more amenable to humanity.

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* At the end of the story, in order to get past an army of Spectres, Aloy makes Beta release HEPHESTUS HEPHAESTUS into the Zenith (more powerful than Zero Dawns) printing controls, so it can build an army of machines to fight them, then it goes back to the cauldron network, except now, it has the knowledge on how to print machines much faster and probably more powerful than ever, the only glimmer of hope is that when they captured it, the code Aloy and Beta were removing made it slightly more amenable to humanity.
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* During Beta's early life, her only connection was with Tilda, who went out of her to build a data channel where the two would regularly interact. However, considering that Tilda was in a relationship with Elisabet Sobeck, Beta's genetic blueprint , desperately wants a ReplacementGoldfish (to the point of trying to kidnap and pontentially kill Aloy during the final battle) and the [[{{Narcissist}} type of person she is generally]], what guarantee do we have that Tilda wasn't trying to sexually groom Beta ? [[KickTheDog It also makes Tilda rejecting Beta as a inferior copy of Sobeck and Aloy even more revolting]].

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* During Beta's early life, her only connection was with Tilda, who went out of her to build a data channel where the two would regularly interact. However, considering that Tilda was in a relationship with Elisabet Sobeck, Beta's genetic blueprint , blueprint, desperately wants a ReplacementGoldfish (to the point of trying to kidnap and pontentially kill Aloy during the final battle) and the [[{{Narcissist}} type of person she is generally]], what guarantee do we have that Tilda wasn't trying to sexually groom Beta ? Beta? [[KickTheDog It also makes Tilda rejecting Beta as a inferior copy of Sobeck and Aloy even more revolting]].
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* After GEMINI, when Tilda is selling the "Zeniths want to reboot the Earth using GAIA" story to Aloy, she claims that Gerard calls the plan a "clean install". Think about it: Gerard is a financial magnate, in charge of large corporations, no way he would call the plan something like that. On the other hand, it is the ''exact'' terminology a software engineer would use, which Tilda is, that's how she made her fortune - subtly foreshadowing that the story she is selling is bullshit, she made it up.
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* The [[DeflectorShields]] Far Zenith equip themselves with were not only foreshadowed in the previous game (Aloy's [[GameBreaker]] Shieldweaver armor, which was explicitly described as a prototype if you read the data points), but their weakness was also equally telegraphed as something that could be replicated even with the relatively "primitive" technology on Earth -- HEPHAESTUS created towers in the ''Frozen Wilds'' DLC that emitted a frequency which negated the advantage the Shieldweaver armor gave Aloy, forcing her to either fight sans protection or take out the source of the signal.

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* The [[DeflectorShields]] DeflectorShields Far Zenith equip themselves with were not only foreshadowed in the previous game (Aloy's [[GameBreaker]] GameBreaker Shieldweaver armor, which was explicitly described as a prototype if you read the data points), but their weakness was also equally telegraphed as something that could be replicated even with the relatively "primitive" technology on Earth -- HEPHAESTUS created towers in the ''Frozen Wilds'' DLC that emitted a frequency which negated the advantage the Shieldweaver armor gave Aloy, forcing her to either fight sans protection or take out the source of the signal.



* The Cauldron KAPPA has a quite clever [[DoubleMeaningTitle]] in its name. Kappa is both the name of a Greek alphabet ''and'' the name of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kappa_(folklore) a Japanese mythical water turtle-like creature]], fitting for a Cauldron that has water as a primary theme and has what's basically a mechanical SeaMonster as the boss at the very end.

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* The Cauldron KAPPA has a quite clever [[DoubleMeaningTitle]] DoubleMeaningTitle in its name. Kappa is both the name of a Greek alphabet ''and'' the name of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kappa_(folklore) a Japanese mythical water turtle-like creature]], fitting for a Cauldron that has water as a primary theme and has what's basically a mechanical SeaMonster as the boss at the very end.

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** Aloy has apparently figured out how to update Quen devices by the time the Burning Shores DLC takes place in the post-game, as she sends Seyka’s Focus an update instead of providing her a new one.



* The DeflectorShields Far Zenith equip themselves with were not only foreshadowed in the previous game (Aloy's GameBreaker Shieldweaver armor, which was explicitly described as a prototype if you read the data points), but their weakness was also equally telegraphed as something that could be replicated even with the relatively "primitive" technology on Earth -- HEPHAESTUS created towers in the ''Frozen Wilds'' DLC that emitted a frequency which negated the advantage the Shieldweaver armor gave Aloy, forcing her to either fight sans protection or take out the source of the signal.

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* The DeflectorShields [[DeflectorShields]] Far Zenith equip themselves with were not only foreshadowed in the previous game (Aloy's GameBreaker [[GameBreaker]] Shieldweaver armor, which was explicitly described as a prototype if you read the data points), but their weakness was also equally telegraphed as something that could be replicated even with the relatively "primitive" technology on Earth -- HEPHAESTUS created towers in the ''Frozen Wilds'' DLC that emitted a frequency which negated the advantage the Shieldweaver armor gave Aloy, forcing her to either fight sans protection or take out the source of the signal.



* The Cauldron KAPPA has a quite clever DoubleMeaningTitle in its name. Kappa is both the name of a Greek alphabet ''and'' the name of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kappa_(folklore) a Japanese mythical water turtle-like creature]], fitting for a Cauldron that has water as a primary theme and has what's basically a mechanical SeaMonster as the boss at the very end.

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* The Cauldron KAPPA has a quite clever DoubleMeaningTitle [[DoubleMeaningTitle]] in its name. Kappa is both the name of a Greek alphabet ''and'' the name of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kappa_(folklore) a Japanese mythical water turtle-like creature]], fitting for a Cauldron that has water as a primary theme and has what's basically a mechanical SeaMonster as the boss at the very end.
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* The Cauldron KAPPA has a quite clever DoubleMeaningTitle in its name. Kappa is both the name of a Greek alphabet ''and'' the name of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kappa_(folklore) a Japanese water turtle-like creature]], fitting for a Cauldron that has water as a primary theme and has what's basically a mechanical SeaMonster as the boss at the very end.

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* The Cauldron KAPPA has a quite clever DoubleMeaningTitle in its name. Kappa is both the name of a Greek alphabet ''and'' the name of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kappa_(folklore) a Japanese mythical water turtle-like creature]], fitting for a Cauldron that has water as a primary theme and has what's basically a mechanical SeaMonster as the boss at the very end.

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* The Cauldron KAPPA has a quite clever DoubleMeaningTitle in its name. Kappa is both the name of a Greek alphabet ''and'' the name of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kappa_(folklore) a Japanese water turtle-like creature]], fitting for a Cauldron that has water as a primary theme and has what's basically a mechanical SeaMonster as the boss at the very end.
* Similarily, the Cauldron GEMINI is an odd name out among other Cauldrons, which so far are all named after Greek alphabets. It's the only Cauldron that the previous GAIA created that has two cores. In Latin, the word 'Gemini' famously translates to 'twins'. The symbolism gets even better when Aloy and Beta, who are both clones of Elisabet Sobeck and are basically twin sisters, have to work together in the Cauldron to trap HEPHEASTUS.
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\n* At the end of the story, in order to get past an army of Spectres, Aloy makes Beta release HEPHESTUS into the Zenith (more powerful than Zero Dawns) printing controls, so it can build an army of machines to fight them, then it goes back to the cauldron network, except now, it has the knowledge on how to print machines much faster and probably more powerful than ever, the only glimmer of hope is that when they captured it, the code Aloy and Beta were removing made it slightly more amenable to humanity.
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* Its pretty obvious most of the shout outs and allusions to ancient mythology. Greek/roman for the AI's, Horus and Anubis from Egypt. However 2 I just realized recently while watching a Super Bears Bros play through. Sobek is the crocodile god and tied to fertility. What does Elizabeth Sobek do, she saves humanity be making it be reborn. Pharaohs were the leaders of Egypt believed to be the center of the world that could do no wrong. What is Ted Pharaohs biggest weakness/failing, he believes he is the center of the world and can do no wrong.

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* Its pretty obvious most Most of the shout outs and allusions to ancient mythology. Greek/roman for Greek mythology are pretty on the AI's, Horus nose: GAIA is the Titan of earth and Anubis from Egypt. However 2 I just realized recently while watching fertility, HEPHAESTUS is a Super Bears Bros play through. blacksmith, etc. But there are subtler ones to Egyptian mythology; Sobek is the crocodile god and tied to fertility. What does Elizabeth Sobek do, she Elizabet Sobeck do? She saves humanity be making it be reborn. by being the architect of a reborn world. Pharaohs were the leaders of Egypt and believed to be the center of the world that could do no wrong. What is Ted Pharaohs Faro's biggest weakness/failing, he believes he is the center of the world and can do no wrong.weakness/failing? He's an egotistical tyrant.
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* Its pretty obvious most of the shout outs and allusions to ancient mythology. Greek/roman for the AI's, Horus and Anubis from Egypt. However 2 I just realized recently while watching a Super Bears Bros play through. Sobek is the crocodile god and tied to fertility. What does Elizabeth Sobek do, she saves humanity be making it be reborn. Pharaohs were the leaders of Egypt believed to be the center of the world that could do no wrong. What is Ted Pharaohs biggest weakness/failing, he believes he is the center of the world and can do no wrong.


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* During Beta's early life, her only connection was with Tilda, who went out of her to build a data channel where the two would regularly interact. However, considering that Tilda was in a relationship with Elisabet Sobeck, Beta's genetic blueprint , desperately wants a ReplacementGoldfish (to the point of trying to kidnap and pontentially kill Aloy during the final battle) and the [[{{Narcissit}} type of person she is generally]], what guarantee do we have that Tilda wasn't trying to sexually groom Beta ? [[KickTheDog It also makes Tilda rejecting Beta as a inferior copy of Sobeck and Aloy even more revolting]].

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* During Beta's early life, her only connection was with Tilda, who went out of her to build a data channel where the two would regularly interact. However, considering that Tilda was in a relationship with Elisabet Sobeck, Beta's genetic blueprint , desperately wants a ReplacementGoldfish (to the point of trying to kidnap and pontentially kill Aloy during the final battle) and the [[{{Narcissit}} [[{{Narcissist}} type of person she is generally]], what guarantee do we have that Tilda wasn't trying to sexually groom Beta ? [[KickTheDog It also makes Tilda rejecting Beta as a inferior copy of Sobeck and Aloy even more revolting]].
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* During Beta's early life, her only connection was with Tilda, who went out of her to build a data channel where the two would regularly interact. However, considering that Tilda was in a relationship with Elisabet Sobeck, Beta's genetic blueprint ,wants a ReplacementGoldfish and the type of person she is generally, what guarantee do we have that Tilda wasn't tryin to sexually groom Beta ? It also makes Tilda rejecting Beta as a inferior copy of Sobeck and Aloy even more revolting.

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* During Beta's early life, her only connection was with Tilda, who went out of her to build a data channel where the two would regularly interact. However, considering that Tilda was in a relationship with Elisabet Sobeck, Beta's genetic blueprint ,wants , desperately wants a ReplacementGoldfish (to the point of trying to kidnap and pontentially kill Aloy during the final battle) and the [[{{Narcissit}} type of person she is generally, generally]], what guarantee do we have that Tilda wasn't tryin trying to sexually groom Beta ? [[KickTheDog It also makes Tilda rejecting Beta as a inferior copy of Sobeck and Aloy even more revolting.
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* During Beta's early life, her only connection was with Tilda, who went out of her to build a data channel where the two would regularly interact. However, considering that Tilda was in a relationship with Elisabet Sobeck, Beta's genetic blueprint ,wants a ReplacementGoldfish and the type of person she is generally, what guarantee do we have that Tilda wasn't tryin to sexually groom Beta ? It also makes Tilda rejecting Beta as a inferior copy of Sobeck and Aloy even more revolting.
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** Audio files in these games aren't generally audible to anyone except the person accessing them with their Focus, but Aloy does speak out loud a few times while listening to Ted - he might have heard that, and ''she sounds like Elisabet'', who he'd at least once before addressed after her death. Whether or not he heard himself, he doubtless heard her.
* The Quen's Ceo, walking confidently into the reactor room, doesn't ask "What's that" and assume he's found some weird science project, he says "Is that-", which certainly suggests that as horrible as Ted looks at this point, something about him is recognizable as having been the Renewer.

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