History Fridge / Hogfather

* The first Tooth Fairy was something designed to scare children, but ended up protecting them because of his compassion for them. Banjo, who's the next Tooth Fairy, is on first appearances a very scary man who's actually very kind and sweet-hearted underneath.

* Given how the new Death acted in ''Reaper Man,'' Teatime has '''no idea''' how lucky he was that he didn't manage to actually pull off "the big one."

* The first Tooth Fairy was something designed to scare children, but ended up protecting them because of his compassion for them. Banjo, who's the next Tooth Fairy, is on first appearances a very scary man who's actually very kind and sweet-hearted underneath.

* When the excess belief starts to allow other gods and fairies to start existing, why is it that only the wizards wind up creating them? Back in ''Literature/ReaperMan'', it's mentioned that the words of wizards have power, which is why when there's excess life, their curse words bring things to life. It's the same principle, except with belief instead of life.

* The AnalogyBackfire when Teatime declares himself to be [[YourWorstNightmare a guard's worst nightmare]] is framed as a joke, but in hindsight it makes some sense for him to take Teatime literally: that's actually what the tower's defenses ''are''.

* Death displays specific knowledge about horses - "any horse that grins is planning something" and "it's more hygienic to have a horse in the bedroom rather than the kitchen." He's had a wide variety of steeds, so yes he knows something about dealing with horses.

* Death says at the end that children need to believe in little lies like the Hogfather, so they can believe the big lies, like justice and mercy. There's something else that children need to experience: loss of faith. Children eventually grow up and stop believing in the Hogfather, or someone says he's not real. They need to disbelieve the little lies so they can doubt the big lies. [[Literature/SmallGods Vorbis]] suffered after his death because he lived without doubt his whole life, and when he realized that he never heard Om, he was catatonic for a century. Young Vimes had his faith broken on [[Literature/NightWatchDiscworld that night]] thirty years ago, and was left a cynical bastard, but he rose from his shell and became the best copper on the Disc because--not in spite of--his broken past.

* Susan laments the creation of what Miss Tick calls Prohibitive Monsters--monsters adults make to prevent children from performing certain actions. The ones Susan encounters are largely pointless; they punish children for stepping on cracks, sucking thumbs, or writing with their left hands. But in ''Wee Free Men'', Miss Tick's example is Jenny Greenteeth, who was made to prevent children from drowning in ponds. [[spoiler:The first Boogeyman doesn't just protect children by taking their teeth. He is the first Prohibitive Monster, and he protects children by making them afraid of dangerous places--especially dark places.]]

* Death says at the end that children need to believe in little lies like the Hogfather, so they can believe the big lies, like justice and mercy. There's something else that children need to experience: loss of faith. Children eventually grow up and stop believing in the Hogfather, or someone says he's not real. They need to disbelieve the little lies so they can doubt the big lies. [[Literature/SmallGods Vorbis]] suffered after his death because he lived without doubt his whole life, and when he realized that he never heard Om, he was catatonic for a century. Young Vimes had his faith broken on that night, and was left a cynical bastard, but he rose from his shell and became the best copper on the Disc because--not in spite of--his broken past.

** Going off of above, ''Medium'' Dave [[OnlySaneMan remained levelheaded]].

* Going off of above, ''Medium'' Dave [[OnlySaneMan remained levelheaded]].

* Susan laments the creation of what Miss Tick calls Prohibitive Monsters--monsters adults make to prevent children from performing certain actions. The ones Susan encounters are largely pointless; they punish children for stepping on cracks, sucking thumbs, or writing with their left hands. But in ''Wee Free Men'', Miss Tick's example is Jenny Greenteeth, who was made to prevent children from drowning in ponds. [[spoiler:The first Boogeyman doesn't just protect children by taking their teeth. He is the first Prohibitive Monster, and he protects children by making them afraid of dangerous places--especially dark places.]]

* Susan laments the creation of what Miss Tick calls Prohibitive Monsters--monsters adults make to prevent them from performing certain actions. The ones Susan encounters are largely pointless; they punish children for stepping on cracks, sucking thumbs, or writing with their left hands. But in ''Wee Free Men'', Miss Tick's example is Jenny Greenteeth, who was made to prevent children from drowning in ponds. [[spoiler:The first Boogeyman doesn't just protect children by taking their teeth. He is the first Prohibitive Monster, and he protects children by making them afraid of dangerous places--especially dark places.]]

* The not-so-Good King Wencelas whom Death-as-Hogfather confronts is seen forcing a profoundly embarrassed and ashamed woodcutter to accept some Hogswatch charity in the form of the leftovers from his feast. In other words, by "giving" something in a way that causes such distress in the recepient, the king is committing [[Discworld/ReaperMan an anti-crime]].

* The boogeyman at the start of the book asks Susan if she's a witch. Susan doesn't give it a name, but she uses textbook Headology to protect her charges. One of the witch books says that if a man thinks that monsters are after him, a psychologist would persuade him that monsters don't exist, and a headologist would give him a large stick and a chair to stand on. Susan knows there's no point in persuading children that monsters don't exist because they know they do, so she taught them that monsters can be defeated.

* The AnalogyBackfire when Teatime declares himself to be [[YourWorstNightmare a guard's worst nightmare]] is framed as a joke, but in hindsight it makes some sense for him to take Teatime literally: that's actually what the tower's defenses ''are''.

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* The AnalogyBackfire when Teatime declares himself to be [[YourWorstNightmare a guard's worst nightmare]] is framed as a joke, but in hindsight it makes some sense for him to take Teatime literally: that's actually what the tower's defenses ''are''.

!!FridgeHorror
* So you know how The Little Match Girl was about a little girl who was forced into child labor by her abusive fathe and her happy ending was that she died and didn't have to sell matches n the freezing cold or get beating by her father anymore? Well now she's got a nice future full of more child abuse and labor to look forward too.

* So you know how The Little Match Girl was about a little girl who was forced into child labor and her happy ending was that she died and didn't have to sell matches n the freezing cold anymore? Well now she's got a nice future full of more child labor to look forward too.

* So you know how The Little Match Girl was about a little girl who was forced into child labor and her happy ending was that she died and didn't have to sell matches n the freezing cold anymore? Yeah about that...

!! FridgeHorror

* The AnalogyBackfire when Teatime declares himself to be [[YourWorstNightmare a guard's worst nightmare]] is framed as a joke, but in hindsight it makes some sense for him to take Teatime literally: that's actually what the tower's defenses ''are''.

[[AC:FridgeBrilliance]]

* The AnalogyBackfire when Teatime declares himself to be [[YourWorstNightmare a guard's worst nightmare]] is framed as a joke, but in hindsight it makes some sense for him to take Teatime literally: that's actually what the tower's defenses ''are''.
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* The AnalogyBackfire when Teatime declares himself to be [[YourWorstNightmare a guard's worst nightmare]] is framed as a joke, but in hindsight it makes some sense for him to take Teatime literally: that's actually what the tower's defenses ''are''.

* The not-so-Good King Wencelas whom Death-as-Hogfather confronts is seen forcing a profoundly embarrassed and ashamed woodcutter to accept some Hogswatch charity in the form of the leftovers from his feast. In other words, by "giving" something in a way that causes such distress in the recepient, the king is committing [[Discworld/ReaperMan an anti-crime]].

* When Violent tells Bilious she's a member of Offler's League of Temperence, Susan reasons that it makes sense that Offler's followers would forego alcohol, as crocodiles don't go into bars often. There ''is'' a fairly well-known joke about a man walking into a bar with a crocodile under one arm, but considering how it's not a drink that's put in the reptile's mouth, it makes sense that it wouldn't want to go there voluntarily...

* Teatime's first appearance hints that he's the perfect person to take out Not-Santa. The very first thing he does on the page? Sneak into someplace undetected ''through the chimney''.