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* ''Awakening'' operates on [[spoiler: the Multiple Worlds hypothesis for time travel.]] Okay, that's fine, [[spoiler: since it's one of the more consistent ways for time travel to the past to be possible without creating a TemporalParadox.]] However, there's a catch. It means that [[spoiler: for every timeline in which Grima was defeated, there are an infinite number of other timelines where, [[ForWantOfANail because of tiny, seemingly insignificant differences,]] Grima was ultimately victorious.]] Every time you [[SaveScumming Save Scummed]] to correct a tactical error or fix a bad dice roll? [[spoiler: Yeah, that timeline didn't just stop when you hit the reset button.]] And what's worse, [[spoiler: travel between timelines is possible, and Grima is one of the few beings powerful enough to do it.]] What's stopping him from [[spoiler: pulling a [[VideoGame/ChronoCross Time Devourer]] and flooding whatever timeline he likes with as many alternate versions of him as he wants?]]

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* ''Awakening'' operates on [[spoiler: the Multiple Worlds hypothesis for time travel.]] Okay, that's fine, [[spoiler: since it's one of the more consistent ways for time travel to the past to be possible without creating a TemporalParadox.]] However, there's a catch. It means that [[spoiler: for every timeline in which Grima was defeated, there are an infinite number of other timelines where, [[ForWantOfANail because of tiny, seemingly insignificant differences,]] differences, Grima was ultimately victorious.]] Every time you [[SaveScumming Save Scummed]] to correct a tactical error or fix a bad dice roll? [[spoiler: Yeah, that timeline didn't just stop when you hit the reset button.]] And what's worse, [[spoiler: travel between timelines is possible, and Grima is one of the few beings powerful enough to do it.]] What's stopping him from [[spoiler: pulling a [[VideoGame/ChronoCross Time Devourer]] and flooding whatever timeline he likes with as many alternate versions of him as he wants?]]
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*** Hardin's team contains 2 Bow Knight and 2 Paladins amongst 4 knights. They have the same class as the Wolfguards, namely Wolf, Sedgar, Vyland, and Roshe.

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*** Hardin's team contains 2 Bow Knight Knights and 2 Paladins amongst 4 knights. They have the same class as the Wolfguards, namely Wolf, Sedgar, Vyland, and Roshe.Roshea.



*** Innes comes with a lot of Pegasi. Frelia was known for them.

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*** Innes comes with a lot of Pegasi. Frelia was known for them.them, and his sister, Tana, is also a Pegasus Knight in ''The Sacred Stones''.
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*** [[spoiler:On the other hand, even such children still have potential, if you are familiar with the events of Geneology of the Holy War. Remember what the Lopt tribe acheived in having Prince Julius bred. Having Major Naga blood didn't help Dierdre one bit. Who says they won't go to such extremes to strain out the pure Grima blood?]]

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*** [[spoiler:On the other hand, even such children still have potential, if you are familiar with the events of Geneology of the Holy War. Remember what the Lopt tribe acheived Loptrian Cult achieved in having Prince Julius bred. Having Major Naga blood didn't help Dierdre one bit. Who says they won't go to such extremes to strain out the pure Grima blood?]]



*** Sigurd's team is based on the same team that he led in the first chapter of the game, 4 Palladin, one wielding Gae Bolg (Quan), two representing Noish and Alec, one wielding the Brave Lance (Finn), a Valkyrie (Ethlyn), a General (Arden), a Great Knighy (Lex) and a Dark Knight (Azel).
*** Raquesis's team is based off the three Palladins that protected her in chapter 3 of Genealogy.
*** Julius's team contains Julius himself, wielding Goetia, + a General, a Bow Knight, a Warrior, a Sniper, a Paladin, a Sage, a Swordmaster, a Valkyrie, and an Assassin, all wielding either legendary Jugdral weapons, or a Brave weapon, (Sage being the exception) and possessing stats similiar to Julius. All of these classes have been used for one each of the Awakening Deadlords (missing only Lepus, Anguilla, and Gallus, a War Cleric, a Dark Knight, and a Sorcerer respectively) who either wielded a Brave weapon, or a legendary weapon (with some exceptions, like Sage). The Fridge Brilliance comes from the fact that Julius was the first enemy seen to actually deploy the Deadlords in their debut game. Goetia could be because the Loptyr Tome doesn't exist in this game, and Goetia is the closest to it that the players can get their hands on. The fact that all of the "Deadlords" wield exactly the same weapons as the Awakening Deadlords did in Chapter 22 means this is deliberate on the developers' part.

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*** Sigurd's team is based on the same team that he led in the first chapter of the game, 4 Palladin, Paladins, one wielding Gae Bolg (Quan), two representing Noish and Alec, one wielding the Brave Lance (Finn), a Valkyrie (Ethlyn), a General (Arden), a Great Knighy Knight (Lex) and a Dark Knight (Azel).
*** Raquesis's team is based off the three Palladins Paladins that protected her in chapter 3 of Genealogy.
*** Julius's team contains Julius himself, wielding Goetia, + a General, a Bow Knight, a Warrior, a Sniper, a Paladin, a Sage, a Swordmaster, a Valkyrie, and an Assassin, all wielding either legendary Jugdral weapons, or a Brave weapon, (Sage being the exception) and possessing stats similiar similar to Julius. All of these classes have been used for one each of the Awakening Deadlords (missing only Lepus, Anguilla, and Gallus, a War Cleric, a Dark Knight, and a Sorcerer respectively) who either wielded a Brave weapon, or a legendary weapon (with some exceptions, like Sage). The Fridge Brilliance comes from the fact that Julius was the first enemy seen to actually deploy the Deadlords in their debut game. Goetia could be because the Loptyr Tome doesn't exist in this game, and Goetia is the closest to it that the players can get their hands on. The fact that all of the "Deadlords" wield exactly the same weapons as the Awakening Deadlords did in Chapter 22 means this is deliberate on the developers' part.



*** Eliwood's Team is two Paladins (Marcus and Lowen), two Warriors (Dorcas-with counter same as Lyn's- and Bartre with Zeal), two Generals (Hector and Oswin with the same abilities and items from Hector's team), a Cleric (Serra), a Trickster (Matthew), and a Swordsmaster (Guy). Recruitment order in his story mode for the strange exception of Rebecca who could've been represented by a Sniper.
*** Nergal's team are the members of the Black Fang. A Bow Knight (Uhai) a Sage (Ephidel) a Warrior (Brendan Reed) a General (Darin) and then the Four Fangs, a Valkyrie (Ursula), an Assassin (Jaffar) a Swordsmaster (Lloyd) and a Hero (Linus), Alternatively, the Sage and Assassin could be Kenneth (despite normally being a Bishop) and Jerme, representing the first part of that game's final chapter.

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*** Eliwood's Team is two Paladins (Marcus and Lowen), two Warriors (Dorcas-with counter same as Lyn's- and Bartre with Zeal), two Generals (Hector and Oswin with the same abilities and items from Hector's team), a Cleric (Serra), a Trickster (Matthew), and a Swordsmaster Swordmaster (Guy). Recruitment order in his story mode for the strange exception of Rebecca who could've been represented by a Sniper.
*** Nergal's team are the members of the Black Fang. A Bow Knight (Uhai) (Uhai), a Sage (Ephidel) (Ephidel), a Warrior (Brendan Reed) a General (Darin) (Darin), and then the Four Fangs, a Valkyrie (Ursula), an Assassin (Jaffar) (Jaffar), a Swordsmaster Swordmaster (Lloyd) and a Hero (Linus), (Linus). Alternatively, the Sage and Assassin could be Kenneth (despite normally being a Bishop) and Jerme, representing the first part of that game's final chapter.



** Roy being a Mercenary? Sword using Lord that never got promoted to something with Armor or Horses and possibly the fact his promotion was highly ineffectual. Hence why he's a unpromoted class. His Spotpast class is Hero, a promoted version. Male sword Lords also tend to have balanced stats like Mercenaries.
** Eirika being a Bride? Perhaps referencing all the shared supports she had in her game, several of them ending in marriage. (Seth, Forde, Innes and Saleh in the romantic way; Tana and Ephraim in the platonic/ {{ship tease}}y one). It could also show her status at the end of the game (skilled at combat as well as royality stuff) as the Bride class despite its looks, can hold its own in a fight. Her spotpass class, Myrmidon, references both her growths in the game and how Myrmidon is the class that fits the closest to Eirika's unpromoted Lord one.

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** Roy being a Mercenary? Sword using Lord that never got promoted to something with Armor or Horses and possibly the fact his promotion was highly ineffectual. Hence why he's a unpromoted class. His Spotpast Spotpass class is Hero, a promoted version. Male sword Lords also tend to have balanced stats like Mercenaries.
** Eirika being a Bride? Perhaps referencing all the shared supports she had in her game, several of them ending in marriage. (Seth, Forde, Innes and Saleh in the romantic way; Tana and Ephraim in the platonic/ {{ship tease}}y one). It could also show her status at the end of the game (skilled at combat as well as royality stuff) as the Bride class despite its looks, can hold its own in a fight. Her spotpass Spotpass class, Myrmidon, references both her growths in the game and how Myrmidon is the class that fits the closest to Eirika's unpromoted Lord one.



*** Interestingly enough, [[spoiler: Lon'qu is revealed to be able to suppress his fear of women during battle. However, it is entirely possible that he lost not just because his opponent was a ''woman'', but because he was ''fighting'' a woman. He apparently reveals that he is afraid of getting close to women because he's afraid of ''them getting hurt'' like it happened to Ke'ri, who died in an HeroicSacrifice to protect him - so once he realised his opponent was female, the effect was a sort-of LogicBomb in his mind.]] So, it's not for the reason that you'd expect.

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*** Interestingly enough, [[spoiler: Lon'qu is revealed to be able to suppress his fear of women during battle. However, it is entirely possible that he lost not just because his opponent was a ''woman'', but because he was ''fighting'' a woman. He apparently reveals that he is afraid of getting close to women because he's afraid of ''them getting hurt'' like it happened to Ke'ri, who died in an HeroicSacrifice to protect him - so once he realised realized his opponent was female, the effect was a sort-of LogicBomb in his mind.]] So, it's not for the reason that you'd expect.
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** Why does Henry, a magic user, have Barbarian/Berserker as a reclass option? Because he's AxCrazy, [[JustForPun geddit?]] (And the bad pun fits his character)

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** Why does Henry, a magic user, have Barbarian/Berserker as a reclass option? Because he's AxCrazy, [[JustForPun geddit?]] geddit? (And the bad pun fits his character)
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** Inigo, like Owain, plays up his Casanova tendencies to keep morale and good cheer up among the group. Like his mother, he tries to revitalize his friends and keep them going. He wants to prevent everyone he's with from just lying down and dying from despair.

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** Inigo, like Owain, plays up his Casanova [[CasanovaWannabe Casanova]] tendencies to keep morale and good cheer up among the group. Like his mother, he tries to revitalize his friends and keep them going. He wants to prevent everyone he's with from just lying down and dying from despair.
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** Considering how Validar's grandfather and father were also failed attempts to breed Grima vessels, how holy blood works, and how Loptyr's vessel was bred in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral'', there's a high chance that both of the Avatar's parents were both Grima Blood carriers and thus related.

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** Considering how Validar's grandfather and father were also failed attempts to breed Grima vessels, how holy blood works, and how Loptyr's vessel was bred in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral'', ''VideoGame/FireEmblemGenealogyOfTheHolyWar'', there's a high chance that both of the Avatar's parents were both Grima Blood carriers and thus related.
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* The marriage and inheritance system at work: Chrom is a descendant of the Exalted One and carries a special mark of Naga. Emmeryn also has one, [[spoiler:Lissa does not have one, but her son Owain does, to her delight.]] On the other side of the fence, Validar, the evil wizard attempting to resurrect Grima, carries Grima's blood. [[spoiler:The Avatar is the son/daughter of Validar and as it turns out, the perfect host for Grima because of centuries of genetic manipulation by Grima's followers. By extension, the Avatar also has Grima's blood. A Female Avatar marrying Chrom, or a Male Avatar marrying Lucina will wind up producing a Morgan (and Lucina, if you married Chrom) with blood from both Naga AND Grima. But despite that fact, there is little mention of Morgan's role in the story in the event you do marry one of them.]]
** If you're wondering why [[spoiler:Morgan]] or any one of the Avatar's children is incapable of becoming [[spoiler:Grima's vessel,]] the simple answer is [[spoiler:Grima's blood]] in them is no longer pure. Remember, the Grimleal spent generations just to breed the perfect person to become Grima where they most likely only pair up the purebloods together to conceive a child in each generation until a perfect [[PureIsNotGood pureblood]] is born. The Avatar marrying Chrom or [[spoiler:Lucina]] for example would only produce a child that's no longer pure of Grima's blood, but also is tainted with the blood of the Exalted One making him or her incapable of becoming [[spoiler:Grima.]]
** Also: [[spoiler:Morgan's amnesia is suspiciously similar to the Avatar's, with the only difference being that the former remembers all the time they spent with the latter (i.e. all the time they spent with Grima's human form). It's [[WildMassGuessing possible]] that Grima ''did'' try to possess Morgan in some other timeline, but failed because of Morgan's mixed heritage, leaving them with only memories connected to Grima, or by proxy, the Avatar.]]
** This brings up another bit of FridgeLogic. Characters inherit hair color from their fathers. Emmeryn and Lissa are blonde. Chrom...isn't. Are we sure it's ''Lissa'' who has to worry about legitimacy?
*** Except for female Morgan, who inherits her ''mother'''s hairstyle instead. Chrom's mother could have always had blue hair.
*** Chalk it up to GameplayAndStorySegregation. Technically, unless you want to get into genetics, there should be nothing stopping any of the children from inheriting either of their parent's hair colors; it's just that all of them besides Lucina and female!Morgan are tied to their mothers, and the hair color thing is just a token means of differentiating them based on their fathers without altering more important parts of their character (personality, build, class, etc.). Lucina always looks the same regardless of her mother because of plot reasons [[spoiler:(it would be much harder to pass as Marth with pink hair, for instance, and you see her several times before determining her mother)]], and female!Morgan gets her mother's hair color because male!Avatar will ''always'' be her father, so the differentiation has to come from her mother instead. Chrom's parents, however, are set in stone and never show on screen, so whether he looks like Emmeryn and Lissa or not doesn't really matter.
*** Actually, consider this - Chrom and Lissa's parents are not seen in the story. For all we know, one of them has blonde hair, and one has blue hair. It could have been either one - maybe their father.
*** Or maybe Chrom just has recessive Fire Emblem Protagonist genes (which more often than not come with blue hair), and both his parents have blond hair.
*** I'm calling this one. It also would explain why Chrom's side of the family can wield Falchion while Lissa's (and presumably Emmeryn's) can't. Though if it's recessive, [[VoodooShark why does it tend to override everyone else's hair color?]]
*** [[WildMassGuessing Because you need blue hair and have your default class be Lord in order to use Falchion]].
* {{Shipping}} [[UptownGirl Lissa x Donnel]] is possible. The S Support has Donnel worrying about bringing Lissa down in the world, being a peasant farmer-turned-soldier. In most historical societies where this was allowed, he wouldn't be bringing her position ''down'', she'd bring his ''up'', being the husband of the Ylissean princess (the closest RealLife equivalent is the Chinese ''fùmÇŽ'', which roughly translates as ''Prince Consort''). It would be funny to see his reaction to this knowledge.
** Their paired epilogue [[spoiler: has them going back to Donnel's village together. Either things are different in Ylisse when it comes to royalty marrying peasants, or she wanted to go with him. Considering that Chrom can marry the female Avatar or Olivia and apparently bring them up, it may be closer to the latter.]]
*** On Lissa's endings [[spoiler:all of Lissa's possible endings save those where she marries someone connected to Ylisse's military has her either traveling the world or going off with her husband to wherever they originate from so it is likely she could choose to bring them up to royal status but chose to live on the same status as her spouse. ]]
*** Yeah, but consider that Lissa has a lot more freedom of choice now that she's no longer directly in line for the throne with [[spoiler:Lucina's birth, and probably other children of Chrom, displacing her in the line of succession.]] If she had still been next in line like she had been in Chapters 10 and 11 when she married she probably would have stayed in the palace. Hell, that's more or less implied to have happened if you marry Lissa off before the timeskip.
* More Fridge TearJerker, but: What happens to the child characters ''after'' the end of the game, when the BadFuture is prevented? Assume that this version of time travel preserves proximate causes, namely the presence of Lucina and the other children of the cast, and everything they did with their parents, so they ''aren't'' simply RetGone. That seems like a happy ending, but it becomes a BittersweetEnding when you realize that the children must ''stay away'' from their families to prevent interfering with their own lives or even ''births''. The best Lucina's troupe can hope for in such a case is the knowledge that their families are safe and hopefully happy.
** Well, as is seen in the endings, the children characters do just that, and go on to live their own lives in the epilogue if they survive the game, no RetGone happening. However, supports with their parents show that [[spoiler:they love them just as much as their yet-to-be-born selves, and there's always a place for them if they want to stay. In fact, Noire's solo ending involves staying with her family half to develop a ''real'' relationship with Tharja, half to make sure the cycle won't start again.]]
** [[spoiler: In Severa's solo ending she apparently visits her family once every year to yell at them. It's ''[[{{Tsundere}} Severa]]'', though, so whatever...]]
** Lucina definitely doesn't have to worry about preventing her own birth, given that Chrom identifies Future!Lucina as definitely his daughter by comparing to her Mark of Naga to baby Present!Lucina's. Any of the kids born after the future!kid met the parents is gonna be a different person mentally if not genetically, if only because seeing how your parenting turned out will change things. The only way around that would be some sort of destiny bullshit, unlikely given the ScrewDestiny themes of the game.
*** Arguably, not having to deal with the trauma of watching your parents die would also be a big game changer mentally. Remember, the kids got issues.
*** Cynthia only became a Tomboy obsessed with being a hero after Sumia's death - she was more of a girly-girl before. Since Sumia never died (in battle, that is) after the game's end, Parallel!Cynthia is different from Current!Cynthia.
** I'd like to imagine they'd become cool aunties and uncles to their younger selves.
** Well we do know in at least ''one'' timeline [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Owain, Inigo, and Severa go to Nohr]].]]
* A Severa fathered by the male Avatar is angry with Cordelia for [[spoiler:abandoning her "only" daughter]], a Yarne fathered by the male Avatar is [[spoiler:terrified of being the LastOfHisKind]], and a Nah fathered by the male Avatar [[spoiler:mentions having been lonely due to her foster family never accepting her]]. What, is Morgan chopped liver now?
** [[spoiler:Morgan's solo ending raises the possibility they come from a different future than the others, so it's possible there is no Morgan in the bad future.]]
*** [[spoiler:But Morgan still has sibling supports and her sibling clearly remembers her.]]
*** [[spoiler:Except we don't know what happened to Morgan in the future. If she was, in fact, from a different future, (and this is the Fridge Horror here) then she died in one future, abandoned, alone, as the last human alive against her own father, the Fell Dragon. So the her/him from the different timeline survived instead.]]
*** [[spoiler:There's always the possibility that Morgan died in that specific timeline.]]
** [[spoiler:Morgan is the boss of the first two Future of Despair chapters. Clearly, the Morgan in the bad future is TrappedInVillainy and left their sibling behind.]]
*** [[spoiler: The Future Past chapters are supposed to be yet ''another'' BadFuture, though. That version of the Morgans may not apply to the Morgan you recruit.]]
* Owain's support with his father reveals that said father sacrificed himself to protect his son. Which kind of doesn't work if said father is [[spoiler:[[ApocalypseMaiden the Avatar]], for [[DemonicPossession obvious]] [[BigBad reasons]]]].
** [[spoiler:Owain [[NeverFoundTheBody didn't actually see him die]], so it's possible that in Owain's timeline, the Avatar came to his senses after being forced to kill Chrom, and then was captured later by the Grimleal and turned into Grima. Still contradicts what Grima himself says later on, but not by as much.]]
*** Furthermore, [[spoiler:in his supports with a Male Avatar as his father, he actually says that he was "gravely injured" rather than killed, and that he never saw him again.]]
** Of course, Lissa could have just simply lied to Owain. [[spoiler: Would YOU tell your son his father is now evil?]]
* The Shepherds must have a very loose policy on fraternization in the barracks. Think about it: female units don't die to prevent a child-related TimeParadox, but the male counterpart who fathers their children can. Conception has to happen at some point, but if they did didn't survive to a time of peace...
** Well, in the bad future no one survived to a time of peace. Grima was awakened and the war went on until all of the parents were dead, so even in the bad timeline conception occurred in the middle of the war. Even if that were not the case, what would you expect? That married couples live in the same camp and just not get any for the months or even years that the war might last? I seriously doubt that a few thousand Risen are enough to overshadow humans' (and Taguels' and Maneketes') most basic animal instincts.
** Plus, the Shepherds [[MildlyMilitary aren't exactly very formal]] in the first place, so I doubt they'd forbid the couples from being together.
* Who is the rightful heir to Ylisse's throne? After all, The time traveling Lucina is undeniably the oldest descendant in direct line from the Exalt, and her A support with her mother makes it clear that she is considered a true child of them, even if she is from an alternate timeline. It would be unfair to deny her the right to a kingdom that is not only hers by birthright, but also is saved as a direct consequence of her actions (No adult Lucina, no advice from the future, Basilio dies, the emblem is stolen and apocalypse all around) yet it would also be unfair to deny it to baby Lucina, which has as much of a birthright and is the descendant of the Exalt of this timeline.
** Lucina's solo ending had her disappear, so presumably she gives up her stake to the throne. Her sibling and Owain probably do this also, considering all the kids go do their own thing after the war.
*** It's been speculated that if one considers Validar as a proper King of Plegia (even if he was a PuppetKing to the Grimleal), then the Avatar can be potentially become an heir to the Plegian throne. Following that logic, the Avatar's only or oldest kid ''may'' be able to become Queen or King of Plegia; this would include a Lucina mothered by the Female Avatar, since her mother is already the Queen of Ylisse...
** Adult Lucina is 20 years younger (by birth date) than her father Chrom.
* How is Lucina always the first born child out of everyone in the second generation? If one married Chrom later in the game (or paired him with Olivia) but previously had married a pair of characters earlier on and killed the father, wouldn't Lucina at the least be the second born? Since the father would be dead before Chrom married (or possibly even met) his wife, that would mean that the first child would have ''had'' to be born before Lucina to exist. It's not like the child's father could've come from the future either, since all first-generation characters were killed in it.
** This is better suited for Headscratchers, but this is an easy one. Couples that married before the time skip simply refrained from having a baby for 2 years. It's not at all uncommon for couples to wait several years before deciding they are prepared and ready to bring a child into the world. I do not believe it is possible for a child to be made recruitable should the father die ''before'' the point the children become available. If they ''are'' available regardless, it is simply a developer oversight.
** Also, you kind of have to be trying for this to happen, since this would have to be fairly early. Chrom has to be married by Chapter 11 - a bit less than half way through the game, and ''before'' the two-year TimeSkip, even if things are getting a bit harder at this point. Given that Lucina is the only one we actually see as a baby, and the other parents imply / straight up say their kids haven't been born yet, it's pretty safe to say that any of the dads dying is just non-canon.
** Remember, this is an alternate timeline. The war went differently, and people died during different times. All the game needs is for two people to be married, and killing off the father would only mean that he's dead in this timeline, not the one where the kids are from.
*** Also justified by the fact that it's impossible to kill off any fathers before the point in time when Lucina arrives to alter history.
** Isn't there dialogue between some of the Future Children talking about how some of their age differences post-time travel aren't the same as when they left? Lucina is the oldest in their timeline but when they all come together in the past Laurent is older than her now.
*** That's because through some mishap, Laurent was shunted back three years earlier than the rest of the future children.
* If [[spoiler:the Avatar]] is close enough to being Grima for [[spoiler:them killing Grima to count as Grima being killed by it's own power]] to meet the conditions for Grima to die permanently, why isn't the opposite true? [[spoiler:Shouldn't Grima killing another part of itself kill it?]]
** [[spoiler:Simple answer: Grima never kills the Avatar, he simply sends them back to the pocket dimension seen in the final chapter and absorbs them. Thus, game over.]]
** That, or the explanation is similar to [[spoiler:how Voldemort is defeated. The mark of Grima disappears from Robin's hand, so the Grima-related parts of Robin's heritage were killed off, but not technically Robin themself]].
** No. The [[spoiler:bond between them]] is sort of a one way street in that regard. Grima doesn't need [[spoiler:the Avatar]] to survive. He's already been resurrected. [[spoiler:The Avatar simply has a pure enough concentration of fell dragon blood in his veins that]] he's able to replicate Grima's dark power, which is the only thing capable of permanently killing him. It's kind of like the difference between cutting off your hand or using your hand to commit suicide.
* Why is 'Marth's' Falchion stronger than Chrom's? It can heal, has higher might, etc.
** When you get further in the game Chrom's Falchion has its power awoken and it becomes even stronger than "Marth's" Parallel Falchion. So obviously "Marth's" was simply awoken by a weaker divine being before they returned to the past.
** Actually, it's simpler than that. [[spoiler:In the Future Past DLC, Lucina says that in her timeline (the original one), at least one of the gemstones that make up the Fire Emblem was destroyed, making it impossible to complete the Awakening. That may not have stopped her from at least trying to perform the Awakening before going back in time, which may have given her some (but not all) of the Falchion's latent power.]]
* How did Plegia fund the war against Ylisse and Ferox? After all, Chrom's father led a war against it about fifteen years before the game, and by that time both Ylisse and Plegia were in ruins. It's explicitly stated that Plegia is rich and Chrom [[spoiler:even asks them for ships, aid, fund, etc. before going to war with Valm.]]
** Despite the horrible image Plegia gives off, it's very possible for Plegia to be a well-off country. It borders the sea, so naturally it must be the hub of foreign exchange with Valm. With the right resources and WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief on the player's part, it's not impossible for Plegia to get back on its feet in 15 years. Plus Validar's priorities was funding the end of the world, not being stingy with money. They may have given Ylisse EVERYTHING they had left.
*** It's also highly likely that ''some'' parts are rich and others aren't. As said above, zones that border the sea often tend to be atop of the economic chain due to being easier to trade with -- take a look at Hong Kong or Shanghai, i.e. Validar likely focused on building/getting resources from these better-off zones and didn't super care about the rest.
*** Plegia is also a Theocracy. Because religious institution are usually exempt from taxes, Validar could have been keeping whatever money the Grimleal received from its followers and using it to further their goals. The money isn't coming from kingdom itself, but rather the massive wealth the Grimleal have been amassing.
*** Plegia is apparently the primary naval power on the continent of Ylisse, and since they control most of the coast that shares a sea with Valm, that means quite a bit of oversea trading would have to go through Plegia. And where there's trade, there's tarrifs.
* How does anyone know Kellam in his Supports ([=DLC=]s, etc.)? The Shepherds know him, but what about people recruited afterwards? They can't see him, but they recognize him.
** Well, it's not so much that Kellam is a ghost or something, he's just difficult to notice. I'm sure Chrom at least had the new recruit formally introduced to everyone, and Kellam eagerly introduced himself hoping they won't forget him.
* If [[spoiler:Priam]]'s philosophy is that weapons should only be wielded by the one who forged it (he says this in his supports with a Male Avatar among other things), then why is he carrying the [[spoiler:Ragnell]] when you fight and recruit him? It was originally used by [[spoiler:Ike]] before it was passed on to him, and it's never even said who originally forged it. While it's possible that he reforged it considering the in-game model of the [[spoiler:Ragnell]] is obviously very damaged and battered, this detail is never brought up in his supports.
** Would ''you'' give up an ancestral weapon that's incredibly powerful, and has its own story? That'd be like Myth/KingArthur tossing away Caliburn (the Sword in the Stone) immediately upon pulling it out, or getting rid of Excalibur.
* When the group first learns about [[spoiler: the gems on the Fire Emblem and how to perform an Awakening,]] why do they immediately decide to do it? It couldn't be as a way to win the war in Valm, except [[spoiler:they continue to seek out the gems for the Awakening]] even after it's over, to the point where they risk walking into a trap in Plegia over it! [[spoiler:The Awakening]] was necessary after [[spoiler:Validar stole the Emblem and Grima was summoned]], but there was no reason before that to do it.
** They decided to do it as a precautionary measure against [[spoiler:Grima.]] Remember, [[spoiler:Lucina]] already told them that in the BadFuture, [[spoiler:Grima]] was resurrected and the world went to hell, and unless something is done, it will happen again. They fought the war with Valm while being fully aware that another one was likely waiting for them back home, and were taking the steps to prepare for it just in case.
* HilariousInHindsight: Laurent is often criticised for being a male version of his mother, Miriel. And what doesn't help is the fact, that ALL of his Critical/Skill Activation quotes in the Japanese version are the exact same lines as hers.
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** Owain's [[Large Ham]] tendencies are mostly an act to keep the others and himself motivated. He's obsessed with weaponry because that's how he keeps himself alive. He's never forgiven himself for his father's death.

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** Owain's [[Large [[LargeHam Large Ham]] tendencies are mostly an act to keep the others and himself motivated. He's obsessed with weaponry because that's how he keeps himself alive. He's never forgiven himself for his father's death.
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** Owain's [[Large Ham Large Ham]] tendencies are mostly an act to keep the others and himself motivated. He's obsessed with weaponry because that's how he keeps himself alive. He's never forgiven himself for his father's death.

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** Owain's [[Large Ham Large Ham]] tendencies are mostly an act to keep the others and himself motivated. He's obsessed with weaponry because that's how he keeps himself alive. He's never forgiven himself for his father's death.
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** Owain's Large Ham [[Large Ham Large Ham]] tendencies are mostly an act to keep the others and himself motivated. He's obsessed with weaponry because that's how he keeps himself alive. He's never forgiven himself for his father's death.

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** Owain's Large Ham [[Large Ham Large Ham]] tendencies are mostly an act to keep the others and himself motivated. He's obsessed with weaponry because that's how he keeps himself alive. He's never forgiven himself for his father's death.
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** Owain's Large Ham tendencies are mostly an act to keep the others and himself motivated. He's obsessed with weaponry because that's how he keeps himself alive. He's never forgiven himself for his father's death.

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** Owain's Large Ham [[Large Ham Large Ham]] tendencies are mostly an act to keep the others and himself motivated. He's obsessed with weaponry because that's how he keeps himself alive. He's never forgiven himself for his father's death.
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*** Legion's team is him and 9 additional berserkers with the exact same stats, equipment, and skills. In the boss fight against him in New Mystery, he creates endless clones of himself until he is defeated.

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*** Legion's team is him and 9 additional berserkers with the exact same stats, equipment, and skills. In the boss fight against him in New Mystery, ''New Mystery'', he creates endless clones of himself until he is defeated.



*** Sigurd's team is based on the same team that he led in the first chapter of the game, 4 Palladin, one wielding Gae Bolg(Quan), two representing Noish and Alec, one wielding the Brave Lance(Finn), a Valkyrie(Ethlyn), a General(Arden), a Great Knighy(Lex) and a Dark Knight(Azel).

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*** Sigurd's team is based on the same team that he led in the first chapter of the game, 4 Palladin, one wielding Gae Bolg(Quan), Bolg (Quan), two representing Noish and Alec, one wielding the Brave Lance(Finn), Lance (Finn), a Valkyrie(Ethlyn), Valkyrie (Ethlyn), a General(Arden), General (Arden), a Great Knighy(Lex) Knighy (Lex) and a Dark Knight(Azel).Knight (Azel).



* Why does Anna have less support conversations than the other characters? The only characters she can support with are the Avatar and Tiki. The Avatar system was previously used in ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemMysterOfTheEmblem New Mystery of the Emblem]]'', while Tiki appeared in the [[VideoGame/FireEmblemShadowDragonAndTheBladeOfLight first/eleventh]] and [[VideoGame/FireEmblemMysteryOfTheEmblem third/twelfth]] games. In other words, the only characters Anna can support with, are characters who have appeared multiple times throughout the series like her.

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* Why does Anna have less support conversations than the other characters? The only characters she can support with are the Avatar and Tiki. The Avatar system was previously used in ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemMysterOfTheEmblem ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemMysteryOfTheEmblem New Mystery of the Emblem]]'', while Tiki appeared in the [[VideoGame/FireEmblemShadowDragonAndTheBladeOfLight first/eleventh]] and [[VideoGame/FireEmblemMysteryOfTheEmblem third/twelfth]] games. In other words, the only characters Anna can support with, are characters who have appeared multiple times throughout the series like her.



** Katarina being a Grandmaster is a reference to what she said at the beginning of FE12 (New Mystery): that she'd be a tactician of the group. If she's recruited as Spot-Pass character, she's a Sage instead - [[spoiler: the same Class she has when she's re-recruited into Marth's group!]]

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** Katarina being a Grandmaster is a reference to what she said at the beginning of FE12 [=FE12=] (New Mystery): that she'd be a tactician of the group. If she's recruited as Spot-Pass character, she's a Sage instead - [[spoiler: the same Class she has when she's re-recruited into Marth's group!]]



* In regards to how Grima comes off as such a GenericDoomsdayVillain even compared to Medeus, what about that? Well think about it, it was established in the Archaneia games that the Earth Dragons besides Medeus degenerated and attacked humanity. Later in Mystery of the Emblem and it's remake, Medeus claims in his death speech that if the Binding Shield is broken, the Earth Dragons would return. Now let's look at Grima, the dragon has dozens of eyes on his body, was said in the Knights of Iris book to be descended from the Earth Dragons, and the shield and altar where the Earth Dragons were sealed have different functions in Awakening. Perhaps some point before Awakening, the Earth Dragons fused together into the dragon that is known as Grima, who went and terrorized humanity until being defeated by the efforts of the First Exalt, Naga, and others. However this raises the question of how the Earth Dragons would gain the ability to fuse, or why it would be capable of sentience.
** The Awakening based DLC in the Gaiden remake has an explanation: [[spoiler:It was an artificially made "dragon" from the mix of human blood/etc and dragon bits by a mad alchemist who also made the predecessors to the Risen. He did realize Grima was too horrible but by then it was too late.]]

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* In regards to how Grima comes off as such a GenericDoomsdayVillain even compared to Medeus, what about that? Well think about it, it was established in the Archaneia games that the Earth Dragons besides Medeus degenerated and attacked humanity. Later in Mystery ''Mystery of the Emblem Emblem'' and it's its remake, Medeus claims in his death speech that if the Binding Shield is broken, the Earth Dragons would return. Now let's look at Grima, the dragon has dozens of eyes on his body, was said in the Knights of Iris book to be descended from the Earth Dragons, and the shield and altar where the Earth Dragons were sealed have different functions in Awakening. Perhaps some point before Awakening, the Earth Dragons fused together into the dragon that is known as Grima, who went and terrorized humanity until being defeated by the efforts of the First Exalt, Naga, and others. However this raises the question of how the Earth Dragons would gain the ability to fuse, or why it would be capable of sentience.
** The Awakening based ''Awakening''-based DLC in the Gaiden ''Gaiden'' remake has an explanation: [[spoiler:It was an artificially made "dragon" from the mix of human blood/etc and dragon bits by a mad alchemist who also made the predecessors to the Risen. He did realize Grima was too horrible but by then it was too late.]]
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* Also, Sumia's BaseBreakingCharacter nature is easy to put on perspective... Remember, many of the people who play this game are teenagers/young adults, [[OldShame who either are or used to be pretty awkward themselves]]. Seeing a character who is very clumsy and self-loathing [[ThisLoserIsYou might hit a bit TOO close to home for comfort]], and it's even worse with the huge {{double standard}}s in society about women: fictional and/or real women must be flawless, always self-reliant and adhering to "traditionally masculine" attitudes, [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass otherwise they aren't "good and worthy enough"]]. It can potentially explain why more self-assured female characters like Sully, Cordelia or female!Avatar are held up as "strong female charas" in the West AND are also used to bash Sumia herself, despite how in-story they're very kind to her (and girl!Avatar actually tries to help Sumia with her issues, just like boy!Avatar does): the members of that specific fandom fringe may attempt to cover up ''how they see Sumia as a reminder of the kind of persons they either used to be or still are'' and bash the crap out of her to hide how they see their old insecurities in her, while latching on "strong female characters" that are the opposite -- also in an attempt to forget about their own issues on women as a whole.

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* Also, Sumia's BaseBreakingCharacter nature is easy to put on perspective... Remember, many of the people who play this game are teenagers/young adults, [[OldShame who either are or used to be pretty awkward themselves]]. Seeing a character who is very clumsy and self-loathing [[ThisLoserIsYou might hit a bit TOO close to home for comfort]], and it's even worse with the huge {{double standard}}s in society about women: fictional and/or real women must be flawless, always self-reliant and adhering to "traditionally masculine" attitudes, [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass [[NotBadassEnoughForFans otherwise they aren't "good and worthy enough"]]. It can potentially explain why more self-assured female characters like Sully, Cordelia or female!Avatar are held up as "strong female charas" in the West AND are also used to bash Sumia herself, despite how in-story they're very kind to her (and girl!Avatar actually tries to help Sumia with her issues, just like boy!Avatar does): the members of that specific fandom fringe may attempt to cover up ''how they see Sumia as a reminder of the kind of persons they either used to be or still are'' and bash the crap out of her to hide how they see their old insecurities in her, while latching on "strong female characters" that are the opposite -- also in an attempt to forget about their own issues on women as a whole.
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*** Chrom has ''so many traits'' that are anti-friend making: he can be [[BrutalHonesty scathingly blunt]] [[NotGoodWithPeople when talking to people]] which is not always a good thing (especially present [[ItsPersonal when]] [[RestrainedRevenge recruiting]] [[spoiler:[[TheCaligula Ga]][[HeelRealization ng]][[TheAtoner rel]]]]), [[CannotTellAJoke absolutely terrible with jokes]] (which is the opposite of [[KidFromTheFuture his future daughter]] [[spoiler:[[LadyOfWar Lucina]]]] [[NoSenseOfHumor who hardly gets them]]), [[DoesNotKnowHisOwnStrength his nasty tendency to break stuff]] (to which Lissa states got ''[[BigGood Emmeryn]]'' of all people ''[[BewareTheNiceOnes furious]]''[[spoiler: and another trait Lucina apparently inherits]]) and ''[[CannotTalkToWomen he is also a complete idiot towards some women]]'' (with Olivia, Sumia, [[ThatCameOutWrong and]] ''[[DiggingYourselfDeeper especially]]'' [[AccidentalPervert the]] [[CannotSpitItOut Female]] [[ComicalOverreacting Avatar]]). It's also likely that these characteristics drive people away from him, resulting in his limited support and marriage options. And considering that he actively tries to make bonds with people as seen with Olivia, and looking at the combination of these traits, [[StepfordSmiler this has to be cutting him up inside]]. [[IronicEcho And we all thought he had absolutely nothing to hide.]]

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*** Chrom has ''so many traits'' that are anti-friend making: he can be [[BrutalHonesty scathingly blunt]] [[NotGoodWithPeople blunt when talking to people]] which is not always a good thing (especially present [[ItsPersonal when]] [[RestrainedRevenge recruiting]] [[spoiler:[[TheCaligula Ga]][[HeelRealization ng]][[TheAtoner rel]]]]), [[CannotTellAJoke absolutely terrible with jokes]] (which is the opposite of [[KidFromTheFuture his future daughter]] [[spoiler:[[LadyOfWar Lucina]]]] [[NoSenseOfHumor who hardly gets them]]), [[DoesNotKnowHisOwnStrength his nasty tendency to break stuff]] (to which Lissa states got ''[[BigGood Emmeryn]]'' of all people ''[[BewareTheNiceOnes furious]]''[[spoiler: and another trait Lucina apparently inherits]]) and ''[[CannotTalkToWomen he is also a complete idiot towards some women]]'' (with Olivia, Sumia, [[ThatCameOutWrong and]] ''[[DiggingYourselfDeeper especially]]'' [[AccidentalPervert the]] [[CannotSpitItOut Female]] [[ComicalOverreacting Avatar]]). It's also likely that these characteristics drive people away from him, resulting in his limited support and marriage options. And considering that he actively tries to make bonds with people as seen with Olivia, and looking at the combination of these traits, [[StepfordSmiler this has to be cutting him up inside]]. [[IronicEcho And we all thought he had absolutely nothing to hide.]]
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** Looked at from another angle, it's possible that, because her opinion of herself is so low, [[NotGoodWithPeople she can't muster up the confidence]] [[ShrinkingViolet to approach many people]], always wondering if they saw her as [[TheLoad a load to be carried]]. [[InsecureLoveInterest Add any prospect romantic feelings to the mix...]].

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** Looked at from another angle, it's possible that, because her opinion of herself is so low, [[NotGoodWithPeople she can't muster up the confidence]] confidence [[ShrinkingViolet to approach many people]], always wondering if they saw her as [[TheLoad a load to be carried]]. [[InsecureLoveInterest Add any prospect romantic feelings to the mix...]].
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** Why does Henry, a magic user, have [[AnAxeToGrind Barbarian/Berserker]] as a reclass option? Because he's AxCrazy, [[JustForPun geddit?]] (And the bad pun fits his character)

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** Why does Henry, a magic user, have [[AnAxeToGrind Barbarian/Berserker]] Barbarian/Berserker as a reclass option? Because he's AxCrazy, [[JustForPun geddit?]] (And the bad pun fits his character)
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*** Gregor [[spoiler:was willing to take up his older brother name to honor him after his death. Perhaps he began as a Barbarian and became a Mercenary to better emulate his brother.

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*** Gregor [[spoiler:was willing to take up his older brother name to honor him after his death. Perhaps he began as a Barbarian and then became a Mercenary to better emulate match his brother. brother's fighting style.]]

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