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* Why does Ultimecia get very little development throughout the game? Because she's not the real villain. The real villain is time itself, and how it strips away the safety and security of childhood, how it drags people inexorably towards an uncertain future. Ultimecia's plan to freeze time is the ultimate rejection of the ravages of time, ensuring that nothing in the world will ever change again, ever. Makes you wonder if Squall had magic powers, would he have compressed time so he never left the orphanage?
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No, a surface scar isn\'t going to do anything to your nasal passages. Your nasal passages are -inside- your skull.


* When Squall is voiced, his voice tends to be slightly nasal. This wouldn't really make sense, except for one thing-the scar across his face. Getting smashed in the face by a gunblade would have damaged his nasal passages slightly, leading to a nasal voice!
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* When Squall is voiced, his voice tends to be slightly nasal. This wouldn't really make sense, except for one thing-the scar across his face. Getting smashed in the face by a gunblade would have damaged his nasal passages slightly, leading to a nasal voice!
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*** The most logical conclusion is that he had them train with GFs because that's the only way to have enough power to fight a Sorceress and have a chance of winning. Sure, we can fight and win without them but that's just game mechanics not what's actually supposed to be happening.

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*** The most logical conclusion is that he had them train with GFs because that's the only way to have enough power to fight a Sorceress and have a chance of winning. Sure, we can fight and win without them but that's just game mechanics not what's actually supposed to be happening.happening.
*There was a scene for Irvine that hit a lot harder in retrospect when I realized something. When Irvine is nervous and preparing [[spoiler: to assassinate the Sorceress Edea]] he's probably hiding the real reason he's troubled. Later in the game, you find out that [[spoiler: All of the principle characters were raised in the same orphanage, with Cid and Edea as caretakers, and everyone but Irvine forgot due to the influence GFs. So Irvine remembers the woman he's preparing to assassinate as a loving caretaker and mother figure. No wonder he's nervous]]
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*** Also at the very end of the scene, note how Squall swings his gunblade to scar Seifer. It's the Rough Divide finisher.
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*** Impossible, SeeD hasn't been around long enough for Caraway to have been a student at Garden. Remember, Garden was only built a little over a decade ago and SeeD would have started after that, Caraway would have been far too old.



** This doesn't seem to be ''precisely'' the case, given that Cid specifically encourages the [=SeeD=] trainees to think for themselves, saying he doesn't want them to be like automatons, and completely abdicates authority to Squall as soon as Garden makes the shift from military ''academy'' to active fighting force. It's more probable that he did it, at least in part, to make sure that Squall and his team would be able to fight against Edea without being conflicted by their memories of her as their childhood Matron. Which is still pretty creepy.

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** This doesn't seem to be ''precisely'' the case, given that Cid specifically encourages the [=SeeD=] trainees to think for themselves, saying he doesn't want them to be like automatons, and completely abdicates authority to Squall as soon as Garden makes the shift from military ''academy'' to active fighting force. It's more probable that he did it, at least in part, to make sure that Squall and his team would be able to fight against Edea without being conflicted by their memories of her as their childhood Matron. Which is still pretty creepy.creepy.
*** The most logical conclusion is that he had them train with GFs because that's the only way to have enough power to fight a Sorceress and have a chance of winning. Sure, we can fight and win without them but that's just game mechanics not what's actually supposed to be happening.
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** Then the waitress that handed him a drink probably had the same idea. Isn't the usual practice to take your own drink and stuff from passing waiters rather than the opposite?
*** Pretty sure it's a waiter's job to give partygoers a chance to get a drink if they want one, which includes stopping to offer one if there's an opportunity to do so.
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* Why did Headmaster Cid use Guardian Forces that can make people forget their early childhood? So he will have loyal ChildSoldier that only remember growing up under his care.

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* Why did Headmaster Cid use Guardian Forces that can make people forget their early childhood? So he will have loyal ChildSoldier that only remember growing up under his care.care.
** This doesn't seem to be ''precisely'' the case, given that Cid specifically encourages the [=SeeD=] trainees to think for themselves, saying he doesn't want them to be like automatons, and completely abdicates authority to Squall as soon as Garden makes the shift from military ''academy'' to active fighting force. It's more probable that he did it, at least in part, to make sure that Squall and his team would be able to fight against Edea without being conflicted by their memories of her as their childhood Matron. Which is still pretty creepy.
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** ... Okay, now I ''have'' to completely drain that draw point when I reach Trabia Garden. [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel Just in case]].

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*Why did Headmaster Cid use Guardian Forces that can make people forget their early childhood? So when Squall and rest of the gang fight Sorceress Edea they won't remember the woman that took care of them in the Orphanage and they can fight at their fullest.



** ... Okay, now I ''have'' to completely drain that draw point when I reach Trabia Garden. [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel Just in case]].

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** ... Okay, now I ''have'' to completely drain that draw point when I reach Trabia Garden. [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel Just in case]].case]].
*Why did Headmaster Cid use Guardian Forces that can make people forget their early childhood? So he will have loyal ChildSoldier that only remember growing up under his care.
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** Pretty sure it's a waiter's job to give partygoers a chance to get a drink if they want one, which includes stopping to offer one if there's an opportunity to do so.

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** *** Pretty sure it's a waiter's job to give partygoers a chance to get a drink if they want one, which includes stopping to offer one if there's an opportunity to do so.
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** Pretty sure it's a waiter's job to give partygoers a chance to get a drink if they want one, which includes stopping to offer one if there's an opportunity to do so.
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* After getting the Ragnarok and rotating party members for some time, you'll notice that [[OnlySaneMan Quistis]] is actually ''third'' choice for Ragnarok pilot after [[GenkiGirl Selphie]] and [[{{Keet}} Zell]]. Selphie's methods are [[DrivesLikeCrazy arguable]], but if you went for the Deepsea Research Facility sidequest though, you'll see [[GeniusDitz Zell's qualifications]] for yourself.
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* About the TrainJob in disc 1. I was wondering how the heck the uncoupled cars could somehow catch up and recouple if there's no locomotive on their end. Sure, the FMV shows the Timber Owls train deliberately slowing down to couple to the cars at the back before picking up speed to connect to the front, but that didn't explain the cars recoupling after the Timber owls train made off with the President's car. Then it occurred to me... ''the dummy President car'' probably has its own mini-locomotive built in to do that.

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* About the TrainJob in disc 1. I was wondering how the heck the uncoupled cars could somehow catch up and recouple if there's no locomotive on their end. Sure, the FMV shows the Timber Owls train deliberately slowing down to couple to the cars at the back before picking up speed to connect to the front, but that didn't explain the cars recoupling after the Timber owls train made off with the President's car. Then it occurred to me... ''the dummy President car'' probably has its own mini-locomotive built mechanism timed to put the brakes on some time after the Forest Owls train disengages, slowing the front half in order to do that.recouple.
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** The President's agitated behavior over the security also clues us in that [[spoiler:it's a ''decoy'', who hasn't quite acclimatised to his role, while a real dictator would be paranoid to the level that no amount of security is enough.]]
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** Then the waitress that handed him a drink probably had the same idea. Isn't the usual practice to take your own drink and stuff from passing waiters rather than the opposite?
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* A small one, but... what ''did'' happen to that student who went to the Tomb of the Unknown King and never returned? Sure, two girls run out in a panic, but it's specifically mentioned that only ''one'' student went to the Tomb, and that the student was male. And then you find an abandoned sword/gunblade on the floor. Nowhere in the tomb do you find a body, or anything to indicate what might have happened to the student -- which could be considered a good thing, [[NothingIsScarier or not]]. He might have escaped the Tomb, perhaps dropping his weapon in a panic on the way out, but [[EverythingTryingToKillYou considering what's waiting for him outside]], it's unlikely he would have survived the long trip back unarmed and alone. And for that matter, if the student hadn't been heard from since leaving the city, [[EpilepticTrees how did Caring know for certain that there would be anything to find at all]]...?

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* A small one, but... what ''did'' happen to that student who went to the Tomb of the Unknown King and never returned? Sure, two girls run out in a panic, but it's specifically mentioned that only ''one'' student went to the Tomb, and that the student was male. And then you find an abandoned sword/gunblade on the floor. Nowhere in the tomb do you find a body, or anything to indicate what might have happened to the student -- which could be considered a good thing, [[NothingIsScarier or not]]. He might have escaped the Tomb, perhaps dropping his weapon in a panic on the way out, but [[EverythingTryingToKillYou considering what's waiting for him outside]], it's unlikely he would have survived the long trip back unarmed and alone. And for that matter, if the student hadn't been heard from since leaving the city, [[EpilepticTrees how did Caring Caraway know for certain that there would be anything to find at all]]...?
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**That's perfect. You should write fanfic!
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** Rinoa actually irritated me in the scene, because I know ''I'd'' be confused and annoyed if some random girl came up to me, tried fake hypnotism, and then forcibly dragged me onto the dance floor... but now I'm looking at it completely differently. Hats off to you, good sir/madam. I was pretty indifferent to Rinoa before, but you've just made me like her. [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation Looks like I'll be replaying the game with that in mind]].



* There is a Zombie draw point in Trabia Garden's graveyard. I repeat, [[CameBackWrong zombie magic]] is flowing through the place where Garden students are buried.

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* There is a Zombie draw point in Trabia Garden's graveyard. I repeat, [[CameBackWrong zombie magic]] is flowing through the place where Garden students are buried.buried.
** ... Okay, now I ''have'' to completely drain that draw point when I reach Trabia Garden. [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel Just in case]].

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* Squall's dialog with Rinoa after freeing her from Esthar: "Even if you become the world's enemy, I will be your knight." Was anyone else reminded of Seifer's schtick throughout the entire game that he is the Sorceress' Knight? Squall and Seifer are more alike than either of them care to admit, and had things gone differently, Squall could have been in exactly the same position.
** The parallels between Squall and Seifer are pretty obvious and certainly intentional. It's more of a contrast than a direct similarity, though, since their approaches are very different - Seifer aspires to knighthood for its own sake (his "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_(heroic_literature) romantic]] dream") so Ultimecia is able to use his aspirations to manipulate him. Squall, meanwhile, has no such aspirations and assumes the role purely for love of and in order to protect Rinoa without caring about the imagery or trappings of the role.



* There is a Zombie draw point in Trabia Garden's graveyard. I repeat, [[CameBackWrong zombie magic]] is flowing through the place where Garden students are buried.
* Squall's dialog with Rinoa after freeing her from Esthar: "Even if you become the world's enemy, I will be your knight." Was anyone else reminded of Seifer's schtick throughout the entire game that he is the Sorceress' Knight? Squall and Seifer are more alike than either of them care to admit, and had things gone differently, Squall could have been in exactly the same position.
** The parallels between Squall and Seifer are pretty obvious and certainly intentional. It's more of a contrast than a direct similarity, though, since their approaches are very different - Seifer aspires to knighthood for its own sake (his "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_(heroic_literature) romantic]] dream") so Ultimecia is able to use his aspirations to manipulate him. Squall, meanwhile, has no such aspirations and assumes the role purely for love of and in order to protect Rinoa without caring about the imagery or trappings of the role.

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* There is a Zombie draw point in Trabia Garden's graveyard. I repeat, [[CameBackWrong zombie magic]] is flowing through the place where Garden students are buried.
* Squall's dialog with Rinoa after freeing her from Esthar: "Even if you become the world's enemy, I will be your knight." Was anyone else reminded of Seifer's schtick throughout the entire game that he is the Sorceress' Knight? Squall and Seifer are more alike than either of them care to admit, and had things gone differently, Squall could have been in exactly the same position.
** The parallels between Squall and Seifer are pretty obvious and certainly intentional. It's more of a contrast than a direct similarity, though, since their approaches are very different - Seifer aspires to knighthood for its own sake (his "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_(heroic_literature) romantic]] dream") so Ultimecia is able to use his aspirations to manipulate him. Squall, meanwhile, has no such aspirations and assumes the role purely for love of and in order to protect Rinoa without caring about the imagery or trappings of the role.
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** Along the same lines, observe that immediately before Seifer pulls the abovementioned move in the opening FMV, he is on the losing end of the duel because Squall is hammering him with fast, repeated blows from his gunblade... just as he does in his own LimitBreak.

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* Squall's dialog with Rinoa after freeing her from Esthar.
-->'''Squall:''' Even if you become the world's enemy, I will be your knight.
Was anyone else reminded of Seifer's schtick throughout the entire game that he is the Sorceress' Knight? Squall and Seifer are more alike than either of them care to admit, and had things gone differently, Squall could have been in exactly the same position.

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* Squall's dialog with Rinoa after freeing her from Esthar.
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Esthar: "Even if you become the world's enemy, I will be your knight.
knight." Was anyone else reminded of Seifer's schtick throughout the entire game that he is the Sorceress' Knight? Squall and Seifer are more alike than either of them care to admit, and had things gone differently, Squall could have been in exactly the same position.position.
** The parallels between Squall and Seifer are pretty obvious and certainly intentional. It's more of a contrast than a direct similarity, though, since their approaches are very different - Seifer aspires to knighthood for its own sake (his "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_(heroic_literature) romantic]] dream") so Ultimecia is able to use his aspirations to manipulate him. Squall, meanwhile, has no such aspirations and assumes the role purely for love of and in order to protect Rinoa without caring about the imagery or trappings of the role.
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* About the TrainJob in disc 1. I was wondering how the heck the uncoupled cars could somehow catch up and recouple if there's no locomotive on their end. Sure, the FMV shows the Timber Owls train deliberately slowing down to couple to the cars at the back before picking up speed to connect to the front, but that didn't explain the cars recoupling after the Timber owls train made off with the President's car. Then it occurred to me... ''the dummy President car'' probably has its own mini-locomotive built in to do that.
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* Squall's dialog with Rinoa after freeing her from Esthar.
-->'''Squall:''' Even if you become the world's enemy, I will be your knight.
Was anyone else reminded of Seifer's schtick throughout the entire game that he is the Sorceress' Knight? Squall and Seifer are more alike than either of them care to admit, and had things gone differently, Squall could have been in exactly the same position.
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* Extremely minor case (don't know where to put this in). You know, when I checked the names of the main player characters (both first and last), I saw this minor difference. Here's their names for reference: Squall Leonhart, Quistis Trepe, Zell Dincht, Selphie Tilmitt, Rinoa Heartilly, Irvine Kinneas. Check the last one. His first name's first letter is not only in the first half of the alphabet (A-M), but it's also a vowel. Don't any of you think this is a subtle hint of his (initial) 'outcast' status (and his ranged fighting style)?
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Or it could just be an animation not to be taken literally.


* In ''FinalFantasyVIII'', you can summon Eden, which delivers a blast so powerful it sent your enemies to a nearby galaxy and destroys said galaxy in a sort of EarthShatteringKaboom fashion. If you happen to use this summon often, or even sometimes, it means that there's a strong possibily that the [[DesignatedHero heroes are inadvertently mass murderers]].
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** [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming I will now take that to be]] {{Canon}} CharacterDevelopment on Rinoa's part. [[ManlyTears Makin' me cry]], [[{{Tsundere}} damnit]].

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* There is a Zombie draw point in Trabia Garden's graveyard. I repeat, [[CameBackWrong zombie magic]] is flowing through the place where Garden students are buried.

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* There is a Zombie draw point in Trabia Garden's graveyard. I repeat, [[CameBackWrong zombie magic]] is flowing through the place where Garden students are buried.buried.
* In ''FinalFantasyVIII'', you can summon Eden, which delivers a blast so powerful it sent your enemies to a nearby galaxy and destroys said galaxy in a sort of EarthShatteringKaboom fashion. If you happen to use this summon often, or even sometimes, it means that there's a strong possibily that the [[DesignatedHero heroes are inadvertently mass murderers]].
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** Caraway was a general before Squall was even born. Garden didn't get started until Squall was about five years old.
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** Maybe Caraway was the student. SeeD is a special forces organization, so when Caraway realizes he's not cut out for SeeD, he quits and joins the Army, eventually working his way up to General.

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