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* Hammer is LawfulGood, Garth is TrueNeutral, and Reaver is ChaoticEvil.

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* Hammer is LawfulGood, Garth is TrueNeutral, and Reaver is ChaoticEvil.
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** The player is given several options for getting to the Spire: they can either A) give up all their swords, guns, and gear, then board a ship full of recruits for the guard, or B) I lied. There is no option except A. Theresa never offers to use her limitless teleportation ability to whisk you there, nor can you even opt to stow away on the ship and get to keep your gear. Or hell, even just taking your own boat out. On a similar note, all of Lucien's guards are Crucible Champions, which translates to 'certified badass celebrity.' It's also common knowledge that nobody who enters the Spire has returned. So why are these highly-employable badasses signing up by the hundred to go to the island-of-no-return?
*** Theresa sends the Hero to the Spire to stall time to allow it to finish building. Also the winners of the Spire are said to be all mindless thugs.

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** The player is given several options for getting In order to go to the Spire: they can either A) Spire, the hero is forced to give up all their swords, guns, and gear, then board a ship full of recruits for the guard, or B) I lied. There is no option except A.guard. Theresa never offers to use her limitless teleportation ability to whisk you there, nor can you even opt to stow away on the ship and get to keep your gear. Or hell, even just taking your own boat out. On While Theresa likely pushed this to happen to [[spoiler:stall for time until the Spire was finished building,]] none of the other characters have a similar note, reason to do things this way.
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all of Lucien's guards are explicitly said to be Crucible Champions, which translates to 'certified badass celebrity.' It's also common knowledge that nobody and even among them they would only be the champions who enters the Spire has returned. So why are these highly-employable badasses signing up by the hundred actually elected to go to the island-of-no-return?
*** Theresa sends the Hero to the Spire to stall
an island of no return for employment. The player, an actual hero, usually has a difficult time to allow it to finish building. Also getting through the winners crucible on first run through, so there can't be many normal people who can get through it easily either. And yet Lucien's guard is an endless supply of the Spire are said to be all mindless thugs. thugs.
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"a young girl"? It's Rose.


* At the beginning of the game, a criminal agent makes a young girl an offer. Despite being cold, hungry and homeless, and having a younger sibling to look after, the girl says that she will never be desperate enough to accept. The game doesn't state outright what the offer is, but given the available facts, there's a fair chance that it's {{squick}}y.

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* At the beginning of the game, a criminal agent makes a young girl your sister Rose an offer. Despite being cold, hungry and homeless, and having a younger sibling to look after, the girl Rose says that she will never be desperate enough to accept. The game doesn't state outright what the offer is, but given the available facts, there's a fair chance that it's {{squick}}y.
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** It's honestly all but stated to be prostitution...

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** It's honestly all but stated to be prostitution...
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** The player is given several options for getting to the Spire: they can either A) give up all their swords, guns, and gear, then board a ship full of recruits for the guard, or B) I lied. There is no option except A. Theresa never offers to use her limitless teleportation ability to whisk you there, nor can you even opt to stow away on the ship and get to keep your gear. Or hell, even just taking your own boat out. On a similar note, all of Lucien's guards are Crucible Champions, which translates to 'certified badass celebrity.' It's also common knowledge that nobody who enters the Spire has returned. So why are these highly-employable badasses signing up by the hundred to go to the island-of-no-return?

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** The player is given several options for getting to the Spire: they can either A) give up all their swords, guns, and gear, then board a ship full of recruits for the guard, or B) I lied. There is no option except A. Theresa never offers to use her limitless teleportation ability to whisk you there, nor can you even opt to stow away on the ship and get to keep your gear. Or hell, even just taking your own boat out. On a similar note, all of Lucien's guards are Crucible Champions, which translates to 'certified badass celebrity.' It's also common knowledge that nobody who enters the Spire has returned. So why are these highly-employable badasses signing up by the hundred to go to the island-of-no-return? island-of-no-return?
*** Theresa sends the Hero to the Spire to stall time to allow it to finish building. Also the winners of the Spire are said to be all mindless thugs.
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* Wraithmarsh from ''VideoGame/FableII'' is one of the blatantly creepy areas of the game, filled with all kinds of demons and ghosts and gravestonens, but it also contains some very subtle horror. About halfway through, you have to pass through a little abandoned house which contains two closed iron maidens with a treasure chest by each. One treasure chest holds a teddy bear, and the other holds a wedding ring. ''Think about it.''

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* Wraithmarsh from ''VideoGame/FableII'' is one of the blatantly creepy areas of the game, filled with all kinds of demons and ghosts and gravestonens, gravestones, but it also contains some very subtle horror. About halfway through, you have to pass through a little abandoned house which contains two closed iron maidens with a treasure chest by each. One treasure chest holds a teddy bear, and the other holds a wedding ring. ''Think about it.''




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* At the beginning of the game, a criminal agent makes a young girl an offer. Despite being cold, hungry and homeless, and having a younger sibling to look after, the girl says that she will never be desperate enough to accept. The game doesn't state outright what the offer is, but given the available facts, there's a fair chance that it's {{squick}}y.
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* One mission you get has you helping a man find his son in a dark cave that's filled with Hobbes. You arrive at a door, and he hears his son on the other side, but you can't get through the door. He tries to break through the door, while you go around. When you arrive, he's broken open the door, and [[spoiler: found that his son has been turned into a hobbe. A hobbe that you might've just killed on reflex. He dies. This is mentioned on the loading screen, stating that a theory as to Hobbes is that they were children who were turned into Hobbes. And you kill them by the dozens.]]

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* One mission you get has you helping a man find his son in a dark cave that's filled with Hobbes. You arrive at a door, and he hears his son on the other side, but you can't get through the door. He tries to break through the door, while you go around. When you arrive, he's broken open the door, and [[spoiler: found that his son has been turned into a hobbe. A hobbe that you might've just killed on reflex. He dies. This is mentioned on the loading screen, stating that a theory as to Hobbes is that they were children who were turned into Hobbes. And you kill them by the dozens.]]]]

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* Lucien's Spire is rather filled with it, unfortunately.
** The player is given several options for getting to the Spire: they can either A) give up all their swords, guns, and gear, then board a ship full of recruits for the guard, or B) I lied. There is no option except A. Theresa never offers to use her limitless teleportation ability to whisk you there, nor can you even opt to stow away on the ship and get to keep your gear. Or hell, even just taking your own boat out. On a similar note, all of Lucien's guards are Crucible Champions, which translates to 'certified badass celebrity.' It's also common knowledge that nobody who enters the Spire has returned. So why are these highly-employable badasses signing up by the hundred to go to the island-of-no-return?
** During one of several 'be evil or lose XP' moments, the player is called upon by one of their fellow guards to monitor a group of prisoners who are being left in cells to starve to death. The choice? Pull a lever and give them food, netting you a rather large XP loss, or sit there for an unreasonably long period of time and get piles of evil points. The problem? Those prisoners are ''being left there to starve to death''. The guards aren't just going to let them go after tomorrow (when they're expected to die). The 'good' option is just prolonging their suffering.
** Lucien's master plan: enslave large numbers of workers, feed them little, then work them to death. Also hire large numbers of guards, feed them well, and force them to wear shock-collars that can be triggered if they defy your will. ''What?'' The benefits of being a guard is apparently enough for super-employable badasses to travel to an island no one has ever returned from and then ''stay there working for you'', so why do they need electric obedience collars? Feeding the slaves well and outfitting them with the collars (which Lucien seems to have no shortage of) would probably get the construction done a lot faster. And there's no shortage of food. After all, there are levers dedicated to releasing trapdoors laden with the stuff.
** When first arriving at the Spire, the player is not twenty feet away from Lucien, who is giving some fancy speech about his plans. Now, during the endgame, [[spoiler: Lucien dies to a single bullet or spell]]. While the player ''has'' been disarmed, they still have access to a wide range of spells. Inexplicably, the player is forced to sit back quietly on their nuclear arsenal of magical warheads while the man who murdered your sister and tried to kill you rambles about his latest evil scheme.
*** And after breaking Garth out of his prison, you kill the single most powerful man on the Spire (the Commandant) along with dozens of guards...and then leave. Never once does Garth, the genius wizard, think that killing Lucien while they're effortlessly wreaking havoc through his doom fortress would be a good idea.
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* One mission you get has you helping a man find his son in a dark cave that's filled with Hobbes. You arrive at a door, and he hears his son on the other side, but you can't get through the door. He tries to break through the door, while you go around. When you arrive, he's broken open the door, and [[spoiler: found that his son has been turned into a hobbe. A hobbe that you might've just killed on reflex. He dies. This is mentioned on the loading screen, stating that a theory as to Hobbes is that they were children who were turned into Hobbes. And you kill them by the dozens.]]

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