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* Why Lucious gave Andre the LittleNo regarding the latter's candidacy for interim CEO?

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* Why does Lucious gave Andre the LittleNo regarding the latter's candidacy for interim CEO?



** In fact, Andre was cheating his way for the head chair, although knowing his father was gonna choose the successor.
* If the undercover agent killed by Frank Gathers was instead your everyday drug buyer, Agent Harlow Carter or the Feds would have no purpose associating with Cookie, who would've never gotten out of jail.

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** In fact, Andre was cheating his way for the head chair, although knowing his father was gonna choose the successor.
* If the undercover agent killed by Frank Gathers was instead your everyday drug buyer, Agent Harlow Carter or the Feds would have no purpose associating with Cookie, who would've never gotten out of jail.
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* If the undercover agent killed by Frank Gathers was instead your everyday drug buyer, Agent Harlow Carter or the Feds would have no purpose associating with Cookie, who would've never gotten out of jail.

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* {{Expy}}: Lucious is Jock Ewing, as both characters were founders of the company, patriarch of their families and strongly dislikes their middle child.
** Andre is JR Ewing, both qualifies as the WellDoneSonGuy and wants to take over the family business by any evil means necessary.
** Jamal is Gary Ewing, both suffer from MiddleChildSyndrome and are the TheUnfavourite to their fathers while the opposite to their mothers.
** Hakeem is Bobby Ewing, as both are the youngest in their families, heavily spoiled and favorited by their fathers and disliked by their eldest brothers, competing for their father's respect
** Baretti is Cliff Barnes. Both men wants to destroy their main rival companies due to past conflicts.
* Some fans have noted similarities between the Lyons and [[GameOfThrones The Lannisters]]:
** Lucious is Tywin, as both are the patriarchs that built up the family fortune, who see their families as useful tools at best and enemies at worst.
** Cookie is Joanna: both mothers whose absence from the family shaped their children's identities, for better and worse. In the books, it's said that Joanna 'ruled Tywin,' and we see that Cookie is pretty much the only person that can stand up to Lucious.
** Andre is Cersei: they're the eldest and the ones who try ''so hard'' to follow their fathers' principles, do everything they're told, and denied what they feel is their birthright for arbitrary reasons (for Cersei, she's denied Casterly Rock because of her gender. For Andre, he's not in the running for Empire Records because he's not a musician). Both are also very manipulative and have no qualms pitting one sibling against the other to further their goals.
** Hakeem is Jaime, as both are their fathers' favourites, heavily spoiled and reckless at the beginning of the series. They both also undergo CharacterDevelopment and slowly become better men.
** Jamal is Tyrion, in that both are abused and ignored by their fathers for a trait they were born with (Tywin hates Tyrion partially because he's a dwarf, Lucious hates that Jamal is gay), and yet both are the ones who are most similar to their fathers and most 'worthy' of their legacy:
-->'''Tyrion:''' Why father, I believe I am you writ small.
-->'''Jamal:''' Everyone's gonna see that I'm you, but on steroids.
** That's not even getting into the fact that both families have adopted lions as part of their creed and/or symbols.
* In "Who I Am", What Cookie means by "she knows her rights", Agent Harlow Carter or any other Fed can't force her into testifying against Lucious.

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* {{Expy}}: Lucious is Jock Ewing, as both characters were founders of the company, patriarch of their families and strongly dislikes their middle child.
** Andre is JR Ewing, both qualifies as the WellDoneSonGuy and wants to take over the family business by any evil means necessary.
** Jamal is Gary Ewing, both suffer from MiddleChildSyndrome and are the TheUnfavourite to their fathers while the opposite to their mothers.
** Hakeem is Bobby Ewing, as both are the youngest in their families, heavily spoiled and favorited by their fathers and disliked by their eldest brothers, competing for their father's respect
** Baretti is Cliff Barnes. Both men wants to destroy their main rival companies due to past conflicts.
* Some fans have noted similarities between the Lyons and [[GameOfThrones The Lannisters]]:
** Lucious is Tywin, as both are the patriarchs that built up the family fortune, who see their families as useful tools at best and enemies at worst.
** Cookie is Joanna: both mothers whose absence from the family shaped their children's identities, for better and worse. In the books, it's said that Joanna 'ruled Tywin,' and we see that Cookie is pretty much the only person that can stand up to Lucious.
** Andre is Cersei: they're the eldest and the ones who try ''so hard'' to follow their fathers' principles, do everything they're told, and denied what they feel is their birthright for arbitrary reasons (for Cersei, she's denied Casterly Rock because of her gender. For Andre, he's not in the running for Empire Records because he's not a musician). Both are also very manipulative and have no qualms pitting one sibling against the other to further their goals.
** Hakeem is Jaime, as both are their fathers' favourites, heavily spoiled and reckless at the beginning of the series. They both also undergo CharacterDevelopment and slowly become better men.
** Jamal is Tyrion, in that both are abused and ignored by their fathers for a trait they were born with (Tywin hates Tyrion partially because he's a dwarf, Lucious hates that Jamal is gay), and yet both are the ones who are most similar to their fathers and most 'worthy' of their legacy:
-->'''Tyrion:''' Why father, I believe I am you writ small.
-->'''Jamal:''' Everyone's gonna see that I'm you, but on steroids.
** That's not even getting into the fact that both families have adopted lions as part of their creed and/or symbols.
* In "Who I Am", What Cookie means by "she knows her rights", rights" is that Agent Harlow Carter or any other Fed can't force her into testifying against Lucious.



* [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Thirsty Rawlings is a would-be lawyer "guilty people hires" and who claims to have graduated from the University of Guam.]] [[Series/BetterCallSaul Sound familiar?!]]
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** Freda tells him Carol, (not kidding), told her, Lucious downplayed it with

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* * DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: Thirsty Rawlings is a would-be lawyer "guilty people hires" and who claims to have graduated from the University of Guam. [[Series/BetterCallSaul Sound familiar?!]]

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* * DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Thirsty Rawlings is a would-be lawyer "guilty people hires" and who claims to have graduated from the University of Guam. Guam.]] [[Series/BetterCallSaul Sound familiar?!]]familiar?!]]
* Why Lucious was successfully able to convince Freda that [[BlatantLies he didn't have his father killed?]]
* When told by her that a drunk Carol blurted it out at the ASAs, Lucious's response?: "Why would you listen to a crackhead?" Lucious isn't wrong about that as Carol is indeed said description and had fell off the wagon (again) and expected, Freda felt (no alliteration intended) that UnreliableNarrtator vibe towards Carol.
** Freda tells him Carol, (not kidding), told her, Lucious downplayed it with
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* When Thirsty Rawlings mentioned he went to the University of Guam School of Law, said trope buzzed in some fans who were familiar with [[BetterCallSaul another character of a different show who earned law degree online from the University of American Samoa.]] [[/folder]]

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* If his mother and son are [[spoiler: bipolar]], wouldn't that make Lucious in the same category as well. [[/folder]]

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* If his mother and son are [[spoiler: bipolar]], wouldn't that make Lucious in the same category as well. well.
* When Thirsty Rawlings mentioned he went to the University of Guam School of Law, said trope buzzed in some fans who were familiar with [[BetterCallSaul another character of a different show who earned law degree online from the University of American Samoa.]]
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* Lucious makes Vernon swear to secrecy that he never reveals that he was the one that [[spoiler:murdered Bunkie]]. Vernon breaks that promise when he tells Cookie (who knows, but needed confirmation), and figured that if Lucious is the the sort of guy who would [[spoiler:murder even his closest friends for turning on him]], likely sold him out to the Feds before Lucious finds out (in his mind Cookie knows, since the cat was out of the bag anyway. That Lucious (initially) blames Cookie makes the whole thing better.

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** Andre is Cersei: they're the eldest children and the ones who try ''so hard'' to follow their fathers' principles, do everything they're told, and denied what they feel is their birthright for arbitrary reasons (for Cersei, she's denied Casterly Rock because of her gender. For Andre, he's not in the running for Empire Records because he's not a musician). Both are also very manipulative and have no qualms pitting one sibling against the other to further their goals.

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** Andre is Cersei: they're the eldest children and the ones who try ''so hard'' to follow their fathers' principles, do everything they're told, and denied what they feel is their birthright for arbitrary reasons (for Cersei, she's denied Casterly Rock because of her gender. For Andre, he's not in the running for Empire Records because he's not a musician). Both are also very manipulative and have no qualms pitting one sibling against the other to further their goals.



** Jamal is Tyrion, in that both are abused and ignored by their fathers for a trait they were born with (Tywin hates Tyrion partially because he's a dawrf, Lucious hates that Jamal is gay), and yet both are the ones who are most similar to their fathers and most 'worthy' of their legacy:

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** Jamal is Tyrion, in that both are abused and ignored by their fathers for a trait they were born with (Tywin hates Tyrion partially because he's a dawrf, dwarf, Lucious hates that Jamal is gay), and yet both are the ones who are most similar to their fathers and most 'worthy' of their legacy:


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** That's not even getting into the fact that both families have adopted lions as part of their creed and/or symbols.

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* Jamal & Hakim's rendition of "Money For Nothing" serves as this perfect statement of where Jamal is by the beginning of the second season. His musicianship is the thing that got him success ("My talent's worth a fortune"), but he can't perform because he has to run the company ("I'm all about my business"). And it's all set to a song which originally included the lyric "That little faggot, he's a millonaire".[[/folder]]

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* Jamal & Hakim's rendition of "Money For Nothing" serves as this perfect statement of where Jamal is by the beginning of the second season. His musicianship is the thing that got him success ("My talent's worth a fortune"), but he can't perform because he has to run the company ("I'm all about my business"). And it's all set to a song which originally included the lyric "That little faggot, he's a millonaire".millonaire".
* If his mother and son are [[spoiler: bipolar]], wouldn't that make Lucious in the same category as well.
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** Lucious is Tywin, as both are the patriarchs that built up the family fortune, who see their families as useful tools at best and hindrances at worst.

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** Lucious is Tywin, as both are the patriarchs that built up the family fortune, who see their families as useful tools at best and hindrances enemies at worst.



** Andre is Cersei: they're eldest child and the ones who try ''so hard'' to follow their fathers' principles, does everything they're told, and denied what they feel is their birthright because of arbitrary reasons (for Cersei, she's denied Casterly Rock because of her gender. For Andre, he's not in the running for Empire Records because he's not a musician).
** Hakeem is Jaime, as both are their fathers' favourites, heavily spoiled and reckless at the beginning of the series.
** Jamal is Tyrion, in that both are abused and ignored by their fathers for a trait they were born with (Tywin hates Tyrion partially because he's a dawrf, Lucious hates that Jamal is gay), and yet both are the ones who are most similar like their fathers and most 'worthy' of their legacy.

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** Andre is Cersei: they're the eldest child children and the ones who try ''so hard'' to follow their fathers' principles, does do everything they're told, and denied what they feel is their birthright because of for arbitrary reasons (for Cersei, she's denied Casterly Rock because of her gender. For Andre, he's not in the running for Empire Records because he's not a musician).
musician). Both are also very manipulative and have no qualms pitting one sibling against the other to further their goals.
** Hakeem is Jaime, as both are their fathers' favourites, heavily spoiled and reckless at the beginning of the series.
series. They both also undergo CharacterDevelopment and slowly become better men.
** Jamal is Tyrion, in that both are abused and ignored by their fathers for a trait they were born with (Tywin hates Tyrion partially because he's a dawrf, Lucious hates that Jamal is gay), and yet both are the ones who are most similar like to their fathers and most 'worthy' of their legacy.legacy:
-->'''Tyrion:''' Why father, I believe I am you writ small.
-->'''Jamal:''' Everyone's gonna see that I'm you, but on steroids.

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* In "Who I Am", What Cookie means by "she knows her rights", Agent Harlow Carter or any other Fed can't force her into testifying against Lucious.[[/folder]]

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* In "Who I Am", What Cookie means by "she knows her rights", Agent Harlow Carter or any other Fed can't force her into testifying against Lucious.Lucious.
* Jamal & Hakim's rendition of "Money For Nothing" serves as this perfect statement of where Jamal is by the beginning of the second season. His musicianship is the thing that got him success ("My talent's worth a fortune"), but he can't perform because he has to run the company ("I'm all about my business"). And it's all set to a song which originally included the lyric "That little faggot, he's a millonaire".
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* Some fans have noted similarities between the Lyons and [[GameOfThrones The Lannisters]]:
** Lucious is Tywin, as both are the patriarchs that built up the family fortune, who see their families as useful tools at best and hindrances at worst.
** Cookie is Joanna: both mothers whose absence from the family shaped their children's identities, for better and worse. In the books, it's said that Joanna 'ruled Tywin,' and we see that Cookie is pretty much the only person that can stand up to Lucious.
** Andre is Cersei: they're eldest child and the ones who try ''so hard'' to follow their fathers' principles, does everything they're told, and denied what they feel is their birthright because of arbitrary reasons (for Cersei, she's denied Casterly Rock because of her gender. For Andre, he's not in the running for Empire Records because he's not a musician).
** Hakeem is Jaime, as both are their fathers' favourites, heavily spoiled and reckless at the beginning of the series.
** Jamal is Tyrion, in that both are abused and ignored by their fathers for a trait they were born with (Tywin hates Tyrion partially because he's a dawrf, Lucious hates that Jamal is gay), and yet both are the ones who are most similar like their fathers and most 'worthy' of their legacy.

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** Why? With the exception of Egypt, every place Golgoth has left is an island with a small population: Madagascar, Greenland, New Zealand. And NZ in particular is tiny and has little in the way of military forces - not to mention a largely pacifistic outlook (geopolitically speaking). Why not leave it?

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** Why? With the exception of Egypt, every place Golgoth has left is an island with a small population: Madagascar, Greenland, New Zealand. And NZ in particular is tiny and has little in the way of military forces - not to mention a largely pacifistic outlook (geopolitically speaking). Why not leave it?

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* In "Who I Am", What Cookie means by "she knows her rights", Agent Harlow Carter or any other Fed can't force her into testifying against Lucious.

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* Expy: Lucious is Jock Ewing, as both characters were founders of the company, patriarch of their families and strongly dislikes their middle child.

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** It is not unheard of of a child being a different shade of skin tone than their parents being that it is possible of inheriting genes that make one a different shade from an earlier generation. This troper here comes from fair skinned and dark skinned parents yet still came out darker!

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* Expy: Lucious is [[Dallas Jock Ewing]]
** Andre is JR Ewing
** Jamal is Gary Ewing
** Hakeem

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Ewing, as both characters were founders of the company, patriarch of their families and strongly dislikes their middle child.
** Andre is JR Ewing
Ewing, both qualifies as the WellDoneSonGuy and wants to take over the family business by any evil means necessary.
** Jamal is Gary Ewing
Ewing, both suffer from MiddleChildSyndrome and are the TheUnfavourite to their fathers while the opposite to their mothers.
** Hakeem is Bobby Ewing, as both are the youngest in their families, heavily spoiled and favorited by their fathers and disliked by their eldest brothers, competing for their father's respect
** Baretti is Cliff Barnes. Both men wants to destroy their main rival companies due to past conflicts.
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** In fact, Andre was cheating his way for the head chair, although knowing his father was gonna choose the successor.

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** In fact, Andre was cheating his way for the head chair, although knowing his father was gonna choose the successor.successor.
* If the undercover agent killed by Frank Gathers was instead your everyday drug buyer, Agent Harlow Carter or the Feds would have no purpose associating with Cookie, who would've never gotten out of jail.
* Lucious and Olivia have the same skin complexion and Lola, [[spoiler: their daughter]], is darker?
* Expy: Lucious is [[Dallas Jock Ewing]]
** Andre is JR Ewing
** Jamal is Gary Ewing
** Hakeem

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** Andre was cheating! Knowing that he's dying of ALS and revealed to Andre and the rest of the family about his dianosigis an episode prior, Lucious was obviously aware that an interim CEO would be installed just in case the CEO becomes temporarily incapacitated.

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** Andre was cheating! Knowing that he's dying of He knew his diagnosis with ALS will eventually leave him temporarily incapacitated as he is the CEO of Empire Records and revealed to Andre and the rest of the family about his dianosigis an episode prior, Lucious was obviously aware that an interim CEO would be installed just in case case. Having revealed his diagnosis to Andre and the CEO becomes temporarily incapacitated.rest of the family about his diagnosis an episode prior, he gambled that Andre would've tried that. He was right.
** In fact, Andre was cheating his way for the head chair, although knowing his father was gonna choose the successor.
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* Why Lucious gave Andre the LittleNo regarding the latter's candidacy for interim CEO?
**Andre was cheating! Knowing that he's dying of ALS and revealed to Andre and the rest of the family about his dianosigis an episode prior, Lucious was obviously aware that an interim CEO would be installed just in case the CEO becomes temporarily incapacitated.
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** Why? With the exception of Egypt, every place Golgoth has left is an island with a small population: Madagascar, Greenland, New Zealand. And NZ in particular is tiny and has little in the way of military forces - not to mention a largely pacifistic outlook (geopolitically speaking). Why not leave it?

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** Why? With the exception of Egypt, every place Golgoth has left is an island with a small population: Madagascar, Greenland, New Zealand. And NZ in particular is tiny and has little in the way of military forces - not to mention a largely pacifistic outlook (geopolitically speaking). Why not leave it?it?

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* FridgeLogic: A series of flashbacks show Golgoth began his world conquest in Australia, and then taking Japan, Russia, Europe and even the United States. Why then after all that, does the book begin with Golgoth conquering New Zealand? Why leave it for last? Shouldn't that have have been much higher on the list?

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* FridgeLogic: A series of flashbacks show Golgoth began his world conquest in Australia, and then taking Japan, Russia, Europe and even the United States. Why then after all that, does the book begin with Golgoth conquering New Zealand? Why leave it for last? Shouldn't that have have been much higher on the list?list?
** Why? With the exception of Egypt, every place Golgoth has left is an island with a small population: Madagascar, Greenland, New Zealand. And NZ in particular is tiny and has little in the way of military forces - not to mention a largely pacifistic outlook (geopolitically speaking). Why not leave it?

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