History Fridge / DragonBallZ

18th Apr '17 6:20:29 PM darkcloud1111
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** Another possibility is that in Trunk's original timeline, Dr. Gero spent more time programming the androids, resulting in their hatred for humanity as a whole and leading to them being more psychotic. In the main timeline, Dr. Gero turned himself into an android and worked on other projects as well, including Android 16 and 19, seeing 17 and 18 as being too unstable. This could explain why they aren't as evil in the main timeline, as their programming wasn't complete and Dr. Gero only activated them as a last resort.
5th Apr '17 12:14:16 PM Thecommander236
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** Can the Dragon Balls even GRANT immortality? The characters all seem to assume that they can, but Dragon Balls can't grant wishes that are beyond the power of their creator, and both Kami and the Grand Elder are mortal (indeed, both are slowly dying of old age). Vegeta didn't know about the limits when he came up with his plan (and the other characters heard about it from him and may have assumed he knew what he was talking about), so his plan might have been doomed from the start.

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** Can the Dragon Balls even GRANT immortality? The characters all seem to assume that they can, but Dragon Balls can't grant wishes that are beyond the power of their creator, and both Kami and the Grand Elder are mortal (indeed, both are slowly dying of old age). Vegeta didn't know about the limits when he came up with his plan (and the other characters heard about it from him and may have assumed he knew what he was talking about), so his plan might have been doomed from the start.start.
** Garlic Jr. gained immortality from the Dragon Balls. That is probably canon.
5th Apr '17 12:11:37 PM Thecommander236
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* Burter, of the Ginyu Force, has the claim to fame of being the fastest being in the universe, and is utterly shocked when Goku completely outclasses him in terms of speed. Problem being that the initial claim is complete nonsense. Ginyu himself is able to hold his own with Goku putting considerably more effort into it than he did with Burter, showing that he was faster than his subordinate. And of course, Frieza is faster by far. The fact that Burter makes the assertion could be seen as sad posturing(an explanation DBZ Abridged seems to go with), but the fact that he's so shocked by Goku's speed when by all rights he should know that being faster than him is in no way, shape, or form a physical impossibility pushes the issue onto this page.

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* Burter, of the Ginyu Force, has the claim to fame of being the fastest being in the universe, and is utterly shocked when Goku completely outclasses him in terms of speed. Problem being that the initial claim is complete nonsense. Ginyu himself is able to hold his own with Goku putting considerably more effort into it than he did with Burter, showing that he was faster than his subordinate. And of course, Frieza is faster by far. The fact that Burter makes the assertion could be seen as sad posturing(an posturing (an explanation DBZ Abridged seems to go with), but the fact that he's so shocked by Goku's speed when by all rights he should know that being faster than him is in no way, shape, or form a physical impossibility pushes the issue onto this page.


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** Besides that, no one he faces would KNOW that there are faster guys out there unless they needed to get directly involved, so it could just be an intimidation tactic. Given how childish the Ginyu Force is in general, this makes sense.
5th Apr '17 12:06:07 PM Thecommander236
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* It occurred to me recently that a major theme of the show is actually summed up when Mr. Popo tells Yamcha that he should learn "that you are weak." Humility is the key to getting stronger. People who won't admit that they're not the best and ask for help can't advance. Vegeta is the prime example of this: a prodigy who constantly lags behind Goku because he won't ask anyone to teach him, while Goku picks up knowledge and technique from everyone he meets. This actually made Mr. Satan a much more interesting character: He's probably about as strong as Krillin was when Radditz arrived, and could learn ki attacks with a few lessons from his daughter or son-in-law...but, his pride keeps him from asking, leaving him stuck where he is...

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* It occurred to me recently that a major theme of the show is actually summed up when Mr. Popo tells Yamcha that he should learn "that you are weak." Humility is the key to getting stronger. People who won't admit that they're not the best and ask for help can't advance. Vegeta is the prime example of this: a prodigy who constantly lags behind Goku because he won't ask anyone to teach him, while Goku picks up knowledge and technique from everyone he meets. This actually made Mr. Satan a much more interesting character: He's probably about as strong as Krillin was when Radditz arrived, and could learn ki attacks with a few lessons from his daughter or son-in-law... but, his pride keeps him from asking, leaving him stuck where he is...
5th Apr '17 11:37:16 AM Thecommander236
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** From what we, the audience, knows of the story, it's more likely that Piccolo had LimaSyndrome and had a legitimate HeelFaceTurn. From the Z-Fighters perspective, Piccolo's training WAS essential for Gohan's survival AND Gohan's involvement prevented Krillin from being killed (as well as the rest of the planet for that matter), so it's understandable that the Z-fighters would want to revive Piccolo as well as gratitude even if his initial intentions weren't pure. Plus, sacrificing his life for his "pawn" wasn't very out-of-character for Piccolo in the eyes of the Z-Fighters and showed them that Piccolo had changed for the better. Given that Gohan had no intention of carrying on Piccolo's "world domination" plan after the latter's death, it's also clear that he didn't taint the kid's mind. Even if Gohan was the stronger of the two, Piccolo's plan to save Gohan obviously wasn't to have Gohan finish his evil plan. Given ALL of that, their willingness to revive him makes sense especially since it's later confirmed by Grand Kai that Piccolo was deemed good enough to be allowed to train with him which is, by definition, a privilege that isn't given to those whose ultimate intentions are evil. Finally, it would be a HUGE stretch to consider the idea that Piccolo was planning to be resurrected by the Namakian Dragon Balls because of how much a GambitRoulette that would be. If that was the idea, it would have been easier to just let Gohan get killed so that Piccolo could resurrect Gohan with the Earth's Dragon Balls. All that being said, when Piccolo later claims that his plan to conquer the world in the Cell Saga instantly convinces Yamcha that he's a snake. It COULD be conceivable that people would see this claim as proof that Piccolo was only pretending to be an ally to lull them into a false sense of security, but then again, if that was true then Piccolo wouldn't have been: 1) deemed good by King Yemma, 2) he would have betrayed the group earlier, and 3) he definitely isn't stupid enough to start screaming about his true traitorous intentions. Krillin, correctly, prostrates that Piccolo is just invasive and hostile because he realizes that Piccolo just can't admit that he needs Kami's help.
5th Apr '17 11:17:55 AM Thecommander236
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** Given that everyone in that vers has access to capsule that can contain entier armory , meca able to blow up town , exoskeleton that would make a Terminator blush and can basicaly become a space marine on super space steroid just by working out and meditating , it's actualy more surprising that we don't see MORE crime , especialy since the mondial army got slaughtered by Cell

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** Given that everyone in that vers verse has access to capsule that can contain entier armory , an entire armory, a meca able to blow up town , town, and an exoskeleton that would make a Terminator blush and can basicaly become a space marine on super space steroid steroids just by working out and meditating , meditating, it's actualy more surprising that we don't see MORE crime , crime, especialy since the mondial army got slaughtered by CellCell.
*** The soldiers were brought back to life. Their equipment however... Well, let's just hope they had spares laying around or could manufacture replacements quickly.
5th Apr '17 11:15:00 AM Thecommander236
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* Dogs don't have a very lifespan, so what will Good Buu do when Bee dies? How will he react?

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* Dogs don't have a very long lifespan, so what will Good Buu do when Bee dies? How will he react?
5th Apr '17 11:14:22 AM Thecommander236
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** He's not evil, but remember, Babidi can take the slightest drop of darkness within someone's heart and make that person a slave. Although perhaps Gohan would've been more difficult to control than Vegeta (or even Piccolo) a Majin Gohan would certainly be a much more major threat given that- as stated above- he's mentally unstable. Spopovitch and Yamu weren't technically "evil" when they were controlled, Babidi just chose to exploit that one dark aspect of their hearts (Spopovitch's jealousy of Mr Satan for example) and if he can take something as petty as ''jealousy'' and make a murderous servant out of it, then I'm pretty sure Gohan had potential to be a villain as well.

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** He's not evil, but remember, Babidi can take the slightest drop of darkness within someone's heart and make that person a slave. Although perhaps Gohan would've been more difficult to control than Vegeta (or even Piccolo) a Majin Gohan would certainly be a much more major threat given that- as stated above- he's mentally unstable. Spopovitch and Yamu weren't technically "evil" when they were controlled, Babidi just chose to exploit that one dark aspect of their hearts (Spopovitch's jealousy of Mr Mr. Satan for example) and if he can take something as petty as ''jealousy'' and make a murderous servant out of it, then I'm pretty sure Gohan had potential to be a villain as well.
5th Apr '17 11:12:37 AM Thecommander236
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* Gohan. No, seriously, Gohan is fridge horror embodied. It had been made extremely clear from the get go that he had this deep, untapped power hidden within him that is unleashed when he's in a fit of pure, unadulterated rage. When he finally became a [=SS2=], he becomes cold and borderline psychotic, wanting to torture Cell for TheEvulz instead of just finishing him off. Ask yourself this, what would happen had Babadi found this in Gohan and decided to extract that out along with a power-up? An evil Majin Gohan with all his untapped rage hidden with him would have been absolutely terrifying. We're lucky it was Vegeta that became Majin...

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* Gohan. No, seriously, Gohan is fridge horror embodied. It had been made extremely clear from the get go that he had this deep, untapped power hidden within him that is unleashed when he's in a fit of pure, unadulterated rage. When he finally became a [=SS2=], he becomes cold and borderline psychotic, wanting to torture Cell for TheEvulz ForTheEvulz instead of just finishing him off. Ask yourself this, what would happen had Babadi found this in Gohan and decided to extract that out along with a power-up? An evil Majin Gohan with all his untapped rage hidden with him would have been absolutely terrifying. We're lucky it was Vegeta that became Majin...
5th Apr '17 11:11:33 AM Thecommander236
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** On the topic of Gohan's traumatic childhood, Frieza's 2nd Form was about to kill Gohan in a similar way to how Spopovich was about to kill Videl (crushing their skull), so Gohan must have remembered that and wondered how that was like ...
* Also on the topic of Spopovich, what would've happened if the Z-Fighters decided to take a break from the World Tournament (or if Videl never told Gohan)? Spopovich and Yamu would've murdered at least a few people (unless if they were up against the Supreme Kai or Kibito). What if the tournament pairings were different? Imagine if Hercule/Mr. Satan was up against Spopovich ... not only would he have been exposed as a fraud ... he probably wouldn't have lived to feel the humiliation.

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** On the topic of Gohan's traumatic childhood, Frieza's 2nd Form was about to kill Gohan in a similar way to how Spopovich was about to kill Videl (crushing their skull), so Gohan must have remembered that and wondered how that was like ...
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* Also on the topic of Spopovich, what would've happened if the Z-Fighters decided to take a break from the World Tournament (or if Videl never told Gohan)? Spopovich and Yamu would've murdered at least a few people (unless if they were up against the Supreme Kai or Kibito). What if the tournament pairings were different? Imagine if Hercule/Mr. Satan was up against Spopovich ... Spopovich... not only would he have been exposed as a fraud ...fraud... he probably wouldn't have lived to feel the humiliation.
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