History Fridge / DragonBallZ

15th Apr '18 3:57:24 AM EDP
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* Why isn't Vegeta wearing his armour at the Tenkaichi tournaments when he otherwise wears it all the time (even claiming it counts as Saiyan formal clothing when he wears it at a party)? Because the rules of the Tenkaichi Budokai forbid the use of weapons or armour, and he couldn't figure how to justify it.

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* Why isn't Vegeta wearing his armour armor at the 25th Tenkaichi tournaments when he otherwise wears it all the time (even claiming it counts as Saiyan formal clothing when he wears it at a party)? party) until the end of Z? Because the rules of the Tenkaichi Budokai forbid the use of weapons or armour, armor, and he couldn't figure how to justify it.
3rd Apr '18 6:04:19 AM jormis29
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* When fighting Vegeta on Namek Frieza, who was supposedly terrified of the Super Saiyan, never showed any fear whenever his opponent became stronger and claimed to have become one, and later is strangely immobile when Goku actually becomes one and doesn't kill him before he can complete the transformation. This is easily explained if we take "Episode of Bardock" as canon: ''he already knows what a Super Saiyan looks like'' from his ancestor Chilled's warning (the creature that becomes blond called a Saiyan. Realizing it was actually a Super Saiyan wouldn't be a stretch for him once he heard of the legend), hence him not taking seriously Vegeta's claims, as he knows he's wrong (and not revealing what a Super Saiyan looks like because this way he'll break Vegeta that much harder when he has to face the truth he's still weaker), and [[OhCrap being too stunned to react when Goku starts transforming]].

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* When fighting Vegeta on Namek Frieza, who was supposedly terrified of the Super Saiyan, never showed any fear whenever his opponent became stronger and claimed to have become one, and later is strangely immobile when Goku actually becomes one and doesn't kill him before he can complete the transformation. This is easily explained if we take "Episode "[[Anime/DragonBallEpisodeOfBardock Episode of Bardock" Bardock]]" as canon: ''he already knows what a Super Saiyan looks like'' from his ancestor Chilled's warning (the creature that becomes blond called a Saiyan. Realizing it was actually a Super Saiyan wouldn't be a stretch for him once he heard of the legend), hence him not taking seriously Vegeta's claims, as he knows he's wrong (and not revealing what a Super Saiyan looks like because this way he'll break Vegeta that much harder when he has to face the truth he's still weaker), and [[OhCrap being too stunned to react when Goku starts transforming]].
27th Mar '18 5:50:26 AM EDP
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\n** In general, Buu showed he was far smarter than he looked since the moment he attacked Dabura: Buu was confident in his power and regeneration, and yet [[EyeScream went immediately for the eye]] to cripple him just in case. Then there's how he manhandled Vegeta (far stronger than Dabura) once he grew bored of their "fight"...

27th Mar '18 5:34:13 AM EDP
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\n* Fat Buu often made acrobatic manouvers while flying around with Babidi, but stopped after he was dead-he knew exactly how frail Babidi was and was already trying to kill him without being sealed away, he just hadn't thought of the way he ultimately used yet.

16th Mar '18 9:12:36 AM EDP
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* Why did 18 have so much trouble with Trunks and Goten at the Tenkaichi even before they went Super Saiyan when she could fight them as such? Partly because she couldn't make sense of their fighting style and was holding back to not kill "Mighty Mask"... And partly because her fighting style involves her dragging on the fight to take advantage of [[PerpetualMotionMonster her infinite energyt]].


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* Why did 18 have so much trouble with Trunks and Goten at the Tenkaichi even before they went Super Saiyan when she could fight them as such? Partly because she couldn't make sense of their fighting style and was holding back to not kill "Mighty Mask"... And partly because her fighting style involves her dragging on the fight to take advantage of [[PerpetualMotionMonster her infinite energyt]].

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* Videl as a teen often wore FingerlessGloves, but stopped after retiring from fighting. Those weren't simple gloves, they were martial arts padded gloves to protect her hands, and stopped wearing them after retiring from fighting-or realizing her ability to use ki meant she didn't need them anymore.
** Related to the above, Pan in ''Anime/DragonBallGT'' also wears fingerless gloves. Either she's taking clues from her mother in her youth, or she started wearing them at Mr. Satan's insistence and grew used to them.



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*** {{Jossed}} by ''Super'' (see below).
** ''Super'' confirms the non-interference policy: the Supreme Kais' role is to create worlds and mortal races and nudge them toward development without direct interference beyond training, with only the Gods of Destruction being allowed to destroy mortals. And with Shin being IncompletelyTrained he had no idea he was supposed to sick Beerus on Frieza-or even that he actually existed and wasn't just rumors.
11th Mar '18 6:02:13 AM EDP
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\n* Why did 18 have so much trouble with Trunks and Goten at the Tenkaichi even before they went Super Saiyan when she could fight them as such? Partly because she couldn't make sense of their fighting style and was holding back to not kill "Mighty Mask"... And partly because her fighting style involves her dragging on the fight to take advantage of [[PerpetualMotionMonster her infinite energyt]].

6th Mar '18 2:14:59 PM EDP
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\n* When the Z Warriors first meet Shin and Kibito, Krillin thinks they just look weird, while Goku and Piccolo guess they're powerful opponents. As gods, Shin and Kibito have Godly Ki that Krillin cannot feel, but Goku has spent the last seven years around other gods and Piccolo has now Kami's wisdom and knowledge, they know that some very powerful beings have ki that cannot be sensed.

25th Feb '18 11:21:27 AM EDP
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** Another change is the Junior Division. With the greater exposure the public would protest to children fighting adults-and due the lack of previous television broadcast, most people wouldn't know that the children in the 21st and 22nd tournament had been stronger than most adult fighters.
*** Apparently the Junior Division already existed in the past, as a character from the "Galactic Patrol" series won it, but wasn't there for the three tournaments seen in the original series. It's likely it had been established specifically to keep younger and less experienced fighters from fighting and getting injured against the adults, and eventually dropped as the sheer level of the tournament ([[OvershadowedByAwesome so great that the winner of two different world martial arts tournaments capable of shattering a wall with a knee strike was merely average for the tournament final phase]]).
4th Feb '18 6:19:18 AM Dephlogisticate
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*** It actually is more of a shock, as Videl, being on the weak end, gives the point of reference. Readers/Viewers take the EarthShatteringKaboom level of power for granted due to being exposed to a cast that can do that.
27th Jan '18 6:43:08 PM Superside
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* The romance between Vegeta and Bulma might look very unlikely from any logical standpoint at first glance, but makes sense when you consider some relevant elements of both characters. Bulma from the very first arc of the original series was shown as a very vain, flirty woman, who always swoons over handsome guys, but that a the same time, goes into jealousy rages with alarming frequency. Her on and off relationship with Yamcha precisely never seem to take off because Bulma gets jealous of any female interaction Yamcha displays. Now enter Vegeta, for most of the series the guy is just obsessed with surpassing Goku and doesn't care at all about anything else, less of all women. In practice, Vegeta could be in front of ANY earthling woman no matter how beautiful and he wouldn't care less about her, which in turn, makes him the ideal man in Bulma eyes since he will never, for any reason will look at other women. Future Trunks description about how Bulma and Yamcha broke up also fits with this, he says (because his mother told him most likely) that Yamcha was too promiscuous, but we never see the poor guy going with multiple women or anything like that, the brilliance being that in Bulma's eyes, even talking to some other woman was acting "promiscuous" something that Yamcha and every other man in the planet would do by sheer nature...but Vegeta would most likely never do. In the end, the prince of the saiyan was the only male fitting for Bulma (and perhaps well, Goku as she muses a couple of times, but he was already taken).
* When Vegeta says he's "known stronger houseplants" than Hercule Satan at first it sounds like typical Vegeta talk, but remember Vegeta was held in bondage by Frieza nearly his whole life. During that time he conquered thousands of planets and killed entire civilizations so ''maybe'' there ''was'' a planet whose populace had some form of plantlife to safeguard their homes.
** Or maybe he actually fought PlantPeople who managed to put up a decent fight.
** This is from the Bardock special so it's place in cannon is dubious, but wasn't Vegeta (the planet) known as Plant before the Saiyans came?
*** Oh, the Bardock special is ''definitely'' canon as its events are referenced several times in the anime proper. (The special where Bardock survives, time travels and turns Super Saiyan, on the other hand...)
** One word. ''Saibamen''. (And he's more than likely right; a human with standard human-level martial arts training probably tops out in the 100s somewhere. Saibamen were as strong as Raditz was upon his arrival on Earth: power level of '''1200.''')
* This troper hasn't seen DBZ in a while so please forgive any mistakes. If this troper recalls, 16 wasn't able to be wished back for whatever reason, perhaps because he was pure machine. Does this imply that he's soulless? Because if he could think, and feel, what makes his physiology any different from any of the aliens we saw in Other World? Does this mean 16 was only simulating the emotions according to glitchy programming, rather than experiencing them on the same spectrum as a human? Really makes this more Fridge Depression rather than Fridge Horror.
** It's not canon but, one of the [[GuideDangIt guidebooks]] says #16 was revived, and he went to live with #8. From a canon perspective, though, #16 wasn't revived simply because he wasn't alive to begin with. The gang specifically wished for all those ''killed'' by Cell to be revived, but #16, not being alive in the first place, was never killed by Cell. He would have been revived by a wish to restore everything destroyed by Cell, though, if they had thought to fix all the property damage Cell caused instead of removing some bombs that [[IdiotBall Bulma could have taken care of anyway.]]
* When Vegeta says that he succeeded in having becoming a Super Saiyan because [[PureIsNotGood his heart is pure evil]], he may have just been exaggerating for intimidation purposes-- and instead, what was pure was his determination to win. Which makes more sense for his character anyway, since his determination at the end of Z is so great that it manages to [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome scare Majin Buu]] because he refuses to give up or stay down, to a level that exceeds even Goku's own determinator status.
* While Supreme Kai's assertion that any of them could've killed Freezer makes them come off as dicks, consider how little it would actually solve; Freezer's the most active leader of the Planet Trade Organization, true, but he's not the only one, and as we see later, even killing the colds (King Cold, Freezer, Cooler) would only result in throwing the organization into disarray; countless people fighting for dominance over the most powerful group in the known universe. Whether an acceptable state of affairs or not, leaving an [[SpacePirates interstellar organization]] [[LawfulEvil that are the closest to universal lawmakers, and peacekeepers]] in place is better than fighting it violently, and the Supreme Kai realized this.
** {{Jossed}} in ''Manga/JacoTheGalacticPatrolman'', as it shows there ''is'' a competing government. On the other hand, given that Jaco, who is ''still'' a member of their elite Galactic Patrol (strongly implied to be the weakest, but still a member of an elite force) plainly admits he couldn't take on ''any'' adult Saiyan, it's likely that the Planet Trade Organization is the only one with the military force necessary for the job.
** Also, there's the fact Frieza destroyed Vegeta on ''Beerus''[='=] request. It was a one time thing, and Beerus was considering killing Frieza next time he woke up, but as far as Shin knew Frieza and his organization had a use in Beerus' job, and he didn't dare to wake him up and check.
* Trunks remarks that none of the stuff he predicted (apart from where Goku would land) was true; even the pair of androids who arrived at where he predicted was just a coincidence (they weren't the same androids he expected). He theorizes that it's due to time travel inherently messing with the timeline, however there are subtle hints he himself was responsible:
** Goku's disease manifesting itself much later could be because he physically trained himself in preparation for the androids; physical exercise improves your immune system. It was also Trunks who took care of King Cold and Frieza; Goku stated that he already had sensed the two and was prepared to teleport to the battle ahead of time. It's likely the exertion of going Super Saiyan again and fighting off both King Cold and Frieza that accelerated his condition, causing the heart disease to manifest earlier.
*** Except Goku is shown training as a Super Saiyan with Piccolo and Gohan, for 3 years straight. Also, physical exercise doesn't push back the onset of a disease you have already been exposed to. The only difference is that Goku was exposed later, probably because he isolated himself training, instead of going on adventures like he used to do.
** And this is possibly where Gero changed the power levels of the Androids; In Trunk's Timeline Goku would have arrived on Earth and would have fought a bloody battle with Frieza. As Cell has Frieza's cells, this means that Gero was, on some level, aware of the battle. He then must have known that the Mechanical Bodies he built for himself and 19 would be pointless, as Goku was clearly above their power level even before training and instead went to tweak on 17 and 18 more. In the main timeline, Goku never fought in it and the battle itself lasted too short for Gero to collect any meaningful data (Frieza and King Cold both got obliterated to ash, as oppose to possibly leaving behind corpses for Gero to collect and study). And the reason why 17 and 18 are weaker in Trunk's timeline? Gero always makes his androids powerful (as evident with 16 being the most powerful despite being the earliest one) and tone down from there. Gero, knowing his own #20 Mechanical body would not suffice, instead opted to tone down 17 and 18's power to manageable levels (which still predictably failed).
*** Gero stated he stopped watching Goku after the fight with Vegeta. the computer was the one handling the Cell project, not Gero. We also only have the word of a single fighter that never actually saw the androids fight at full power that there is any power difference at all. similarly, he was a baby when the androids appeared. For all we know, Vegeta handled #19 in the future, and then Gero activated #17 and #18, just like in the present.
** Finally, as to why the Androids are different; all of them have the objective of killing Goku, but as Goku is already dead by their activation, they really had no other goals; 16 (if he was activated) would have probably wandered into the woods to live a peaceful life with the animals. 16 also acted as a sort of morality chain for the two, usually advising against really heinous behavior of the two. Without him, the two went off the hook (especially 17, who even in the main timeline seemed to like carnage).
*** #16 never advised the other 2 on anything. He just refused to fight himself. The androids just (eventually) went off the deep end, because no one was there to stop them.
** Alternate interpretation: Gero in the original timeline would probably heard that Goku had died. This was six months before the androids attacked. So possibly he stopped upgrading the androids or downgraded them because their most powerful opponent was dead, and changed their programming. In the "main" timeline, the core instruction would have been something like "Kill Goku." That was all they were programmed to do, which explains their focus on finding him. But in the original timeline, with Goku dead, Gero might have changed the mission to "Kill everyone."
** Another possibility is that in Trunk's original timeline, Dr. Gero spent more time programming the androids, resulting in their hatred for humanity as a whole and leading to them being more psychotic. In the main timeline, Dr. Gero turned himself into an android and worked on other projects as well, including Android 16 and 19, seeing 17 and 18 as being too unstable. This could explain why they aren't as evil in the main timeline, as their programming wasn't complete and Dr. Gero only activated them as a last resort.
* Vegeta never really gets revenge for everything Frieza ever did to him but Frieza and his father were ultimately killed by Vegeta's son.
* At first, it seems rather odd that Majin Buu's original, primal form is so... small compared to the rest. But then you remember: Buu was created by Bibidi. And Bibidi's species are puny little shrimps compared to humans, Saiyans, and the like, with the adult Babidi being the same size - or smaller - as a 7-year-old human child. To shrimpy little Bibidi, the ~5-foot Kid Buu would be tall and imposing!
** Jossed. Buu's origins were {{Retcon}} so Bibidi didn't create him, only summoned him. Buu is as old as the universe. Him being puny just goes with the theme of the series of not judging people [[KillerRabbit by their appearance]].
* Why is Goku such a [[ParentalNeglect neglectful parent]]? It's literally InTheBlood: Saiyans (or at least low-ranking ones), from what we're shown, are basically sent off to other planets as infants, with no time to spend with their parents. It's questionable whether pure-blooded Saiyans even have a childhood phase, seeing how they're expected to start conquering the planet shortly after landing. While Prince Vegeta suggests this isn't always the case, it's possible that he got special treatment for being a prince (or at the very least, for being high-ranked). Tarble being banished for being too kind-hearted supports this. Add in the fact that Goku was RaisedByWolves, and he quite literally ''does not know how to be a parent''.
** According to ''Dragonball Minus'', Saiyan are sent out as children, but they're already grown up a fair bit by that time (Raditz's first mission came when he was already seven, right before the destruction of their homeworld, and in fact his mission mate was Vegeta himself), and Goku being sent out as a toddler was not completely the norm but [[FlingALightIntoTheFuture Bardock figuring that there was something strange in Frieza recalling all Saiyans to planet Vegeta and sending him on a planet with enough food for a growing Saiyan but nothing interesting for the Planet Trade Organization to invade]]. On the other hand, Saiyan childhood is implied to consist in combat training... And Goku was ''still'' RaisedByWolves.
** It is also [[CultureClash cultural]] in real life. Goku only really comes off as a [[ParentalNeglect neglectful parent]] to the people in the US. In Asia countries and part of Europe, Goku is seen as a good father who ''spoils'' Gohan. That is why Gohan's character development as a child was getting over his spoiled nature.
** ''Dragon Ball Minus'' stated ''Goku's mother'', a big softie by saiyan standards, was against sending infants out on planetary extermination missions, which is why Goku and Raditz were so "old". Prince Vegeta had already been on them, as Bardock had described Vegeta as a "pain" in the neck partner.
* It used to bother me that in in the Buu saga the people competing in the martial arts tournaments are all such weaklings and people in general are so disbelieving in abilities like ki and energy attacks and easily accept Mr Satan's claims that its all a trick when before those same abilities seemed much more widespread and known about. But then I realised that by the end of Piccolo saga it's pretty much just Goku and the other Z fighters who use those abilities and they basically disappear from the tournament scene until the Buu saga. All their adventures and battles take place in out of the way places or other planets and largely remain under the radar of the general public up til the Cell Saga. Also over the course of Dragonball Z nobody has sought out any of the Z fighters to train under them the way that Goku and Krillin sought out Master Roshi. So it's not surprising that by the time of the Buu knowledge about abilities like energy attacks and use of ki would have faded out of public consciousness and the techniques themselves fallen out of practice.
** Plus, Mr. Satan's claiming that it was all tricks and special effects might have helped people to further dismiss the notion of ki and supernatural martial arts abilities as being real, as they would have then looked back on any stories or recordings/accountings about such things as people falling for an old con, rather than actual evidence of its existence.
** On top of that, let's be honest here, the knowledge that there are literally multiple people standing on Earth with them that could ''destroy the goddamn planet on a whim'' would scare the shit out of the vast majority of people. Refusing to acknowledge that as a possibility is probably the only thing keeping half the population of the Earth sane.
** Ki and energy attacks are really rare in the Dragonball world (until DBO anyway) because hardly anyone actually knows how to use Ki or that it even exists. Those taught by the Turtle and Crane schools and their teachers are the only ones that are shown having the ability to access Ki at all and both of those schools hardly take on any students at all. Take a look at all the tournaments and fighters throughout Dragonball and DBZ and the number of people besides the protagonists and last round fighters that actually are shown using it is next to zero, and anytime Ki techniques are used by anybody such as the Kamehameha wave it's almost always mentioned to be legendary and mythical technique, something only people in the fighting biz and rabid fighting fans would have so much as heard of. Overall I'd say a couple dozen people on the entire planet can use Ki in any capacity at the most. Mostly the fighters besides the protagonists just use purely physical techniques based around raw power and/or speed rather than Ki. It's easy for a population of billions to dismiss something like Ki as tricks when hardly anybody knows about it, fewer have seen it firsthand, and next to nobody actually uses it. It isn't until the Cell games that Ki becomes involved in something big enough to be known to the world at large and Hercule quickly squashes much interest in it. Ki is definitely not something the average joe runs across every day and/or uses themselves.
* Pan's name - on the one hand, a pan as in 'frying pan' fits well with the series' food-related theme naming. But also, a pan pipe is a type of flute, like a piccolo. So Gohan named his kid after his mentor, too.
** Pan is also a religious figure often associated with the devil. As in Mark "Hercule Satan", and [[SignificantAnagram Videl]].
** Most importantly "Pan" is Japanese for "Bread"
** So in short, her name is a crossroads of all of the naming conventions of the prior generation.
** Also {{foreshadowing}}. One of the works most cemented in PopCultureOsmosis as far as comparing Pan to The Devil is ''Literature/TheGreatGodPan''. Now, what was the super saiyan transformation that came after 3, not counting GT? How was that transformation achieved?
* Gohan and Piccolo were both people who initially just wanted to be like their fathers, only to realise that the life their fathers had wasn't the life they wanted to live.
* It's been pointed out that despite the fact that Vegeta trains even harder than Goku, he can't quite catch up. This is contrasted with the irony that Vegeta was considered the natural prodigy as a child. However, when Goku first emerges from the Time Chamber during the Cell Saga, he explains that he was able to surpass Vegeta in less time because he trains ''better'' than Vegeta does; Vegeta tortures himself through rigorous but inefficient training methods because he doesn't know any better. He never needed to train very hard because of his natural aptitude, where as Goku was taught very effective training methods by Roshi, Korin, Kami, and King Kai.
* Cell, who who has [[AllYourPowersCombined the cells of all the Z-Fighters and Frieza within him]], attempted to [[EarthShatteringKaboom blow up the Eath]] when he realized he couldn't win... which is also what Frieza did on Namek in similar circumstances. LikeFatherLikeSon, eh?
* This took me a while to realize, but every time a new villain appears, they [[TheWorfBarrage worf]] the ultimate technique used against the previous villain.
** Raditz, Nappa, and Vegeta, for example, made many techniques and weapons from ''Manga/DragonBall'' useless: Nimbus (not fast enough), the Power Pole (never used), the Multi Form technique (rendered useless by Nappa), and even the Kamehameha wave (only had effect when used in tandem with the kaioken). In other words, earthly martial arts just wouldn't cut it. So what did? Martial arts made by the gods, namely the Kaioken and the Spirit Bomb.
** Then Frieza came along, [[NoSell tank]][[MadeOfIron ing]] both a Kaioken x20 Kamehameha and Universal Spirit Bomb. Then comes along the ultimate, legendary technique, usable only by a saiyan of pure heart: the Super Saiyan form...
** Which the androids immediately proved to be [[NoSell immune]] to. Instead, the form had to be reformed and perfected until we got Super Saiyan II.
** A few years pass, and Buu comes along, and not even a Super Saiyan II Vegeta can stop this monster. Instead, it takes Super Saiyan III, a form that technically shouldn't exist.
** And many years after that, [[Anime/DragonBallZBattleOfGods Beerus]] comes along and takes out Super Saiyan III Goku with ''one finger'', prompting our heroes to discover a form even beyond that: the Super Saiyan God.
** Super Saiyan God and even the form beyond that proves to be ineffective against [[spoiler:Goku Black]], who achieved a Super Saiyan God form of his own, [[spoiler:Super Saiyan Rose]]. Judging from the next episode, [[spoiler:Goku and Vegeta will revisit Potara fusion, last seen in the Buu Saga]].
** Comes the Tournament of Power, and [[spoiler:Jiren]] easily overpowers Goku throws at him, with only [[spoiler:Ultra Instinct]] allowing him to match the warrior stronger than even the Gods of Destruction.
* Despite the World Tournament going into shambles after Gohan's energy is stolen, the fights actually continue on. The next two matches scheduled after Gohan vs Kibito are Android #18 vs Mr. Satan, and Goku vs Vegeta, both of which end up happening, although under very different circumstances.
* Mr. Satan manages to get away with taking the credit for killing Cell and not a single character calls him out on it. That's because they'd been reminded by Goku of how all of Earth's most recent threats (Piccolo Jr., the Saiyans, Freeza, the androids and Cell) were all drawn to him either through vengeance or for the chance to challenge Earth's greatest warrior. They've learned that in order to protect the Earth, they'll need to keep a low profile.
** Though this doesn't stop Babidi from noticing their huge ki levels...
* The fusion of Goku and Vegeta into Vegetto (Vegito, Vegerot, what have you...) is brilliantly designed. The more powerful warrior (Goku) serves as the base of the body and clothing, and the more dominant personality (Vegeta) provides the color scheme plus miscellaneous items like gloves and boots. Now, what this has to do in relation to the Elder Kai and Kibito Kai...?
* If Frieza feared the Saiyan so much, then why did it take [[spoiler:a request from Beerus]] for him to destroy their homeworld, and ''still'' kept three of them around? Well, [[Manga/JacoTheGalacticPatrolman Jaco]] explains that the Galactic Patrol, enemy of Frieza's Planet Trade Organization, has virus bombs that can quickly extinguish all life on a planet but the Saiyans are immune to that. The Saiyans were the only members of his army that could take on the Galactic Patrol without worrying about the virus bomb.
** This is a mistranslation. Beerus never ordered Frieza to destroy the Saiyans, he only approved of it.
** Specifically, Freeza doing it meant Beerus didn't have to travel the thirty minutes via Whis to do it himself. The point about the Galactic Patrol virus still stands.
* Why isn't Vegeta wearing his armour at the Tenkaichi tournaments when he otherwise wears it all the time (even claiming it counts as Saiyan formal clothing when he wears it at a party)? Because the rules of the Tenkaichi Budokai forbid the use of weapons or armour, and he couldn't figure how to justify it.
* How did, during the Saiyan Saga, the Z Fighters go from weaker that Kami to stronger than Raditz by training under Kami, when three years of the same training didn't make Goku so strong? Because when they started they were already stronger than Goku was when he started, and because most of Goku's training there was aimed to ''calm him down'' so he wouldn't just use violence as his solution to everything as he used before.
** In a similar way, that's how the defunct Z Fighters benefitted more from training under King Kai: by being faster they didn't waste six months in just arriving there, and by being stronger than Goku was when he arrived they got more advanced training early on.
** As for Piccolo becoming strong during the Saiyan Saga... He was inflicting TrainingFromHell on a half-Saiyan who replied with equal violence as he demanded, and who became much stronger every time he recovered from the Piccolo-inflicted injuries. He (unwittingly?) inflicted himself an extremely sadistic TrainingFromHell, [[HadToBeSharp either he became stronger too or he died]].
** Kami is never shown training them in the sense of sparring with them or even teaching them much at all. They seem to mostly train independently, although a filler episode has them being given a taste of what they're up against, so they train harder.
* The 25th Tenkaichi Budokai shows some differences from the previous tournaments we've seen (21st, 22nd and 23rd), namely a 30 minutes time limit, the preliminaries disputed via the Punching Machine to prevent injuries, and a greater commercialization (shown by the larger stadium and the previously absent television broadcast), all of them apparently coming out of nowhere. Thing is, those very three tournaments are the reason for the new rules: the superhuman fighters of those tournaments proved themselves capable of fighting for hours, with the final match of the 21st tournament taking ''four hours'', hence the time limit due the fighting being scheduled to happen in a single day; the 23rd Tenkaichi saw [[{{Sadist}} Tao Pai Pai]] almost killing Chiaotzu and, [[{{Jerkass}} considering his character]], he likely did the same to anyone who fought him in the preliminaries (in fact the anime ''shows'' him beating a preliminary opponent so bad he needed hospitalization. Even Piccolo at his most evil was showing more restraint), hence the Punching Machine made specifically to prevent injuries in the preliminaries; the greater commercialization was made necessary by the heavy damage caused in those three tournaments, where, aside from contestants randomly breaking the walls by sending others flying into it (and Panput doing it on purpose because [[UnderestimatingBadassery he thought Goku was too weak to face him]] and [[PetTheDog didn't want to beat up a child]]), Goku in Great Ape form caused heavy damage to one of the buildings, Tien disintegrated the ring, and Piccolo ''annihilated the whole place'', necessitating the commercialization to raise the money and rebuild the whole place for the 24th Tenkaichi .
** Piccolo takes exception at the great commercialization, and makes a point of blowing up any recording or broadcasting equipment he sees. [[{{Irony}} His destruction of the original temple is the main reason for it]].
* Amongst many, many, ''many'' other titles, Biblical {{Satan}} is referred to as "The Father of Lies". In Dragon Ball Z, Mr. Satan justifies his title by being the biggest liar of them all, claiming the credit for killing both Cell and later Majin Buu, along with many other lies such as defeating Android 18 and claiming Buu is his apprentice.
* Vegeta's characterization in the Freeza Saga is TOTALLY different than that of the Cell saga. In the former, he's a borderline magnificent bastard, while in the latter, he's a trigger happy idiot who makes numerous mistakes that ultimately end up giving the villains the upper hand on more than one occasion. And then his characterization mysteriously changes back after Cell Saga, and while he's still a prideful idiot, he's got a much better head on his shoulders? What happened in the Cell Saga? He became a Super Saiyan, which is noted to emphasize the traits of recklessness and arrogance natural in Saiyans, especially if you're not used to the form. Remember, Vegeta didn't train to lose the negative aspects like Goku and Gohan did, and as a result, he kept the negative side effects of SSJ throughtout the Cell Saga. By the time of the Buu saga, he's got more of a handle on the form.
* Vegeta wanted immortality to fight Frieza, but what use would have it been if Frieza was still stronger than him? Easy: [[CameBackStrong every time Frieza hit him in such a way that should have killed him Vegeta's immortality would make him regenerate, and the Zenkai would boost his strength]] until he either became strong enough to win or Frieza exhausted himself and became too weak, whichever came first.
* When fighting Vegeta on Namek Frieza, who was supposedly terrified of the Super Saiyan, never showed any fear whenever his opponent became stronger and claimed to have become one, and later is strangely immobile when Goku actually becomes one and doesn't kill him before he can complete the transformation. This is easily explained if we take "Episode of Bardock" as canon: ''he already knows what a Super Saiyan looks like'' from his ancestor Chilled's warning (the creature that becomes blond called a Saiyan. Realizing it was actually a Super Saiyan wouldn't be a stretch for him once he heard of the legend), hence him not taking seriously Vegeta's claims, as he knows he's wrong (and not revealing what a Super Saiyan looks like because this way he'll break Vegeta that much harder when he has to face the truth he's still weaker), and [[OhCrap being too stunned to react when Goku starts transforming]].
** Even without considering ''Episode Of Bardock'', not only is Freeza a creature who transforms, but all of the saiyans and at least three of his non saiyan employees also transform. Even without the ability to sense ki, he can probably recognize a legit transformation, and even though Freeza and Zarbon do it to contain (power and hideousness, respectively), Abo, Kado and all the saiyans do so to increase. Seeing a noticeable, visible change in a saiyan, no matter how subtle, would be likely to freak him out if he can't think of a way to explain it with something like tails or full moons.
* King Kai originally told Goku that planet Vegeta had been destroyed by its Guardian, or God in the original Japanese, had summoned a meteor to crush into it when the wicked ways of the Saiyans went too far. We later learned that it had actually been Frieza to destroy it... And even later, we learned that Beerus sped up his plans due king Vegeta keeping the most comfortable cushion in the universe for himself. A God ''[[FromACertainPointOfView did]]'' summon what destroyed planet Vegeta due the Saiyan doing something evil, just it wasn't the planet's god, it wasn't a meteor, and the evil was suicidally stupid pettiness.
* At the start of the series Bulma is shown actually scared of ''Goku'' when Raditz reveals they're both Saiyan. As ''Manga/JacoTheGalacticPatrolman'' establishes she had known of the Saiyan for years, she has just realized that her best friend had come to Earth to wipe everyone out.
* In the "Buu Saga", Majin Buu displays the ability of healing very early on, which starkly contrasts from Buu's nature as we were told up to that point - a merciless, destructive force of nature. The brilliance comes in when you realize later on that Buu's healing ability was {{Foreshadowing}} of the fact that he had absorbed two Supreme Kai in the past, with Kibito demonstrating healing abilities in the same arc.
* Raditz said that Nappa and Vegeta would take a year to arrive, yet they show up a month early. Was he wrong? No, he was just measuring time in either the old Saiyan way or by the PTO count, and in whatever system he was using a year is shorter than Earth's by about an Earth month.
* At first, Uub seems like a retread of Gohan. He's an unimpressive fighter with a lot of potential that only becomes apparent when he is enraged. But that was the entire point. Goku wasn't just given an opponent who mirrored his son, but unlike Gohan, who had all the resources and conditions necessary to become a great fighter but kept throwing it away to focus on more worldly pursuits, Uub doesn't have the opportunities to develop his talents because of harsh worldly realities until Goku give him relief. Goku loves his biological sons the way they are, but Uub is the son he mistakenly believed Gohan to be during the Cell saga. Gohan doesn't lose his head until someone he cares about gets hurt, Uub got into fight mode simply by being in front of an opponent he didn't like.
* Scouters being broken so easily on certain mooks. For low-level mooks, the scouters are probably not built as well, and don't have the range of power levels as ones higher tiered leadership hold, as low level mooks would only really need to deal with civilians and low tier warriors. High power levels would overload these scouters really quickly and cause them to explode easily.
* On Namek, Recoome taunts Vegeta on not having any attack capable of dealing with their huge difference in power. Years later, Vegeta finds himself in the same situation against Perfect Cell... And suddenly he has the Final Flash, that would have disintegrated Cell had he not dodged at the last moment (and still caused him what should have been crippling damage [[FromASingleCell had he not been capable of regenerating from much worse]]). Sounds like Vegeta conceded that [[VillainHasAPoint Recoome had a point]]...




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* The romance between Vegeta and Bulma might look very unlikely from any logical standpoint at first glance, but makes sense when you consider some relevant elements of both characters. Bulma from the very first arc of the original series was shown as a very vain, flirty woman, who always swoons over handsome guys, but that a the same time, goes into jealousy rages with alarming frequency. Her on and off relationship with Yamcha precisely never seem to take off because Bulma gets jealous of any female interaction Yamcha displays. Now enter Vegeta, for most of the series the guy is just obsessed with surpassing Goku and doesn't care at all about anything else, less of all women. In practice, Vegeta could be in front of ANY earthling woman no matter how beautiful and he wouldn't care less about her, which in turn, makes him the ideal man in Bulma eyes since he will never, for any reason will look at other women. Future Trunks description about how Bulma and Yamcha broke up also fits with this, he says (because his mother told him most likely) that Yamcha was too promiscuous, but we never see the poor guy going with multiple women or anything like that, the brilliance being that in Bulma's eyes, even talking to some other woman was acting "promiscuous" something that Yamcha and every other man in the planet would do by sheer nature...but Vegeta would most likely never do. In the end, the prince of the saiyan was the only male fitting for Bulma (and perhaps well, Goku as she muses a couple of times, but he was already taken).
* When Vegeta says he's "known stronger houseplants" than Hercule Satan at first it sounds like typical Vegeta talk, but remember Vegeta was held in bondage by Frieza nearly his whole life. During that time he conquered thousands of planets and killed entire civilizations so ''maybe'' there ''was'' a planet whose populace had some form of plantlife to safeguard their homes.
** Or maybe he actually fought PlantPeople who managed to put up a decent fight.
** This is from the Bardock special so it's place in cannon is dubious, but wasn't Vegeta (the planet) known as Plant before the Saiyans came?
*** Oh, the Bardock special is ''definitely'' canon as its events are referenced several times in the anime proper. (The special where Bardock survives, time travels and turns Super Saiyan, on the other hand...)
** One word. ''Saibamen''. (And he's more than likely right; a human with standard human-level martial arts training probably tops out in the 100s somewhere. Saibamen were as strong as Raditz was upon his arrival on Earth: power level of '''1200.''')
* This troper hasn't seen DBZ in a while so please forgive any mistakes. If this troper recalls, 16 wasn't able to be wished back for whatever reason, perhaps because he was pure machine. Does this imply that he's soulless? Because if he could think, and feel, what makes his physiology any different from any of the aliens we saw in Other World? Does this mean 16 was only simulating the emotions according to glitchy programming, rather than experiencing them on the same spectrum as a human? Really makes this more Fridge Depression rather than Fridge Horror.
** It's not canon but, one of the [[GuideDangIt guidebooks]] says #16 was revived, and he went to live with #8. From a canon perspective, though, #16 wasn't revived simply because he wasn't alive to begin with. The gang specifically wished for all those ''killed'' by Cell to be revived, but #16, not being alive in the first place, was never killed by Cell. He would have been revived by a wish to restore everything destroyed by Cell, though, if they had thought to fix all the property damage Cell caused instead of removing some bombs that [[IdiotBall Bulma could have taken care of anyway.]]
* When Vegeta says that he succeeded in having becoming a Super Saiyan because [[PureIsNotGood his heart is pure evil]], he may have just been exaggerating for intimidation purposes-- and instead, what was pure was his determination to win. Which makes more sense for his character anyway, since his determination at the end of Z is so great that it manages to [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome scare Majin Buu]] because he refuses to give up or stay down, to a level that exceeds even Goku's own determinator status.
* While Supreme Kai's assertion that any of them could've killed Freezer makes them come off as dicks, consider how little it would actually solve; Freezer's the most active leader of the Planet Trade Organization, true, but he's not the only one, and as we see later, even killing the colds (King Cold, Freezer, Cooler) would only result in throwing the organization into disarray; countless people fighting for dominance over the most powerful group in the known universe. Whether an acceptable state of affairs or not, leaving an [[SpacePirates interstellar organization]] [[LawfulEvil that are the closest to universal lawmakers, and peacekeepers]] in place is better than fighting it violently, and the Supreme Kai realized this.
** {{Jossed}} in ''Manga/JacoTheGalacticPatrolman'', as it shows there ''is'' a competing government. On the other hand, given that Jaco, who is ''still'' a member of their elite Galactic Patrol (strongly implied to be the weakest, but still a member of an elite force) plainly admits he couldn't take on ''any'' adult Saiyan, it's likely that the Planet Trade Organization is the only one with the military force necessary for the job.
** Also, there's the fact Frieza destroyed Vegeta on ''Beerus''[='=] request. It was a one time thing, and Beerus was considering killing Frieza next time he woke up, but as far as Shin knew Frieza and his organization had a use in Beerus' job, and he didn't dare to wake him up and check.
* Trunks remarks that none of the stuff he predicted (apart from where Goku would land) was true; even the pair of androids who arrived at where he predicted was just a coincidence (they weren't the same androids he expected). He theorizes that it's due to time travel inherently messing with the timeline, however there are subtle hints he himself was responsible:
** Goku's disease manifesting itself much later could be because he physically trained himself in preparation for the androids; physical exercise improves your immune system. It was also Trunks who took care of King Cold and Frieza; Goku stated that he already had sensed the two and was prepared to teleport to the battle ahead of time. It's likely the exertion of going Super Saiyan again and fighting off both King Cold and Frieza that accelerated his condition, causing the heart disease to manifest earlier.
*** Except Goku is shown training as a Super Saiyan with Piccolo and Gohan, for 3 years straight. Also, physical exercise doesn't push back the onset of a disease you have already been exposed to. The only difference is that Goku was exposed later, probably because he isolated himself training, instead of going on adventures like he used to do.
** And this is possibly where Gero changed the power levels of the Androids; In Trunk's Timeline Goku would have arrived on Earth and would have fought a bloody battle with Frieza. As Cell has Frieza's cells, this means that Gero was, on some level, aware of the battle. He then must have known that the Mechanical Bodies he built for himself and 19 would be pointless, as Goku was clearly above their power level even before training and instead went to tweak on 17 and 18 more. In the main timeline, Goku never fought in it and the battle itself lasted too short for Gero to collect any meaningful data (Frieza and King Cold both got obliterated to ash, as oppose to possibly leaving behind corpses for Gero to collect and study). And the reason why 17 and 18 are weaker in Trunk's timeline? Gero always makes his androids powerful (as evident with 16 being the most powerful despite being the earliest one) and tone down from there. Gero, knowing his own #20 Mechanical body would not suffice, instead opted to tone down 17 and 18's power to manageable levels (which still predictably failed).
*** Gero stated he stopped watching Goku after the fight with Vegeta. the computer was the one handling the Cell project, not Gero. We also only have the word of a single fighter that never actually saw the androids fight at full power that there is any power difference at all. similarly, he was a baby when the androids appeared. For all we know, Vegeta handled #19 in the future, and then Gero activated #17 and #18, just like in the present.
** Finally, as to why the Androids are different; all of them have the objective of killing Goku, but as Goku is already dead by their activation, they really had no other goals; 16 (if he was activated) would have probably wandered into the woods to live a peaceful life with the animals. 16 also acted as a sort of morality chain for the two, usually advising against really heinous behavior of the two. Without him, the two went off the hook (especially 17, who even in the main timeline seemed to like carnage).
*** #16 never advised the other 2 on anything. He just refused to fight himself. The androids just (eventually) went off the deep end, because no one was there to stop them.
** Alternate interpretation: Gero in the original timeline would probably heard that Goku had died. This was six months before the androids attacked. So possibly he stopped upgrading the androids or downgraded them because their most powerful opponent was dead, and changed their programming. In the "main" timeline, the core instruction would have been something like "Kill Goku." That was all they were programmed to do, which explains their focus on finding him. But in the original timeline, with Goku dead, Gero might have changed the mission to "Kill everyone."
** Another possibility is that in Trunk's original timeline, Dr. Gero spent more time programming the androids, resulting in their hatred for humanity as a whole and leading to them being more psychotic. In the main timeline, Dr. Gero turned himself into an android and worked on other projects as well, including Android 16 and 19, seeing 17 and 18 as being too unstable. This could explain why they aren't as evil in the main timeline, as their programming wasn't complete and Dr. Gero only activated them as a last resort.
* Vegeta never really gets revenge for everything Frieza ever did to him but Frieza and his father were ultimately killed by Vegeta's son.
* At first, it seems rather odd that Majin Buu's original, primal form is so... small compared to the rest. But then you remember: Buu was created by Bibidi. And Bibidi's species are puny little shrimps compared to humans, Saiyans, and the like, with the adult Babidi being the same size - or smaller - as a 7-year-old human child. To shrimpy little Bibidi, the ~5-foot Kid Buu would be tall and imposing!
** Jossed. Buu's origins were {{Retcon}} so Bibidi didn't create him, only summoned him. Buu is as old as the universe. Him being puny just goes with the theme of the series of not judging people [[KillerRabbit by their appearance]].
* Why is Goku such a [[ParentalNeglect neglectful parent]]? It's literally InTheBlood: Saiyans (or at least low-ranking ones), from what we're shown, are basically sent off to other planets as infants, with no time to spend with their parents. It's questionable whether pure-blooded Saiyans even have a childhood phase, seeing how they're expected to start conquering the planet shortly after landing. While Prince Vegeta suggests this isn't always the case, it's possible that he got special treatment for being a prince (or at the very least, for being high-ranked). Tarble being banished for being too kind-hearted supports this. Add in the fact that Goku was RaisedByWolves, and he quite literally ''does not know how to be a parent''.
** According to ''Dragonball Minus'', Saiyan are sent out as children, but they're already grown up a fair bit by that time (Raditz's first mission came when he was already seven, right before the destruction of their homeworld, and in fact his mission mate was Vegeta himself), and Goku being sent out as a toddler was not completely the norm but [[FlingALightIntoTheFuture Bardock figuring that there was something strange in Frieza recalling all Saiyans to planet Vegeta and sending him on a planet with enough food for a growing Saiyan but nothing interesting for the Planet Trade Organization to invade]]. On the other hand, Saiyan childhood is implied to consist in combat training... And Goku was ''still'' RaisedByWolves.
** It is also [[CultureClash cultural]] in real life. Goku only really comes off as a [[ParentalNeglect neglectful parent]] to the people in the US. In Asia countries and part of Europe, Goku is seen as a good father who ''spoils'' Gohan. That is why Gohan's character development as a child was getting over his spoiled nature.
** ''Dragon Ball Minus'' stated ''Goku's mother'', a big softie by saiyan standards, was against sending infants out on planetary extermination missions, which is why Goku and Raditz were so "old". Prince Vegeta had already been on them, as Bardock had described Vegeta as a "pain" in the neck partner.
* It used to bother me that in in the Buu saga the people competing in the martial arts tournaments are all such weaklings and people in general are so disbelieving in abilities like ki and energy attacks and easily accept Mr Satan's claims that its all a trick when before those same abilities seemed much more widespread and known about. But then I realised that by the end of Piccolo saga it's pretty much just Goku and the other Z fighters who use those abilities and they basically disappear from the tournament scene until the Buu saga. All their adventures and battles take place in out of the way places or other planets and largely remain under the radar of the general public up til the Cell Saga. Also over the course of Dragonball Z nobody has sought out any of the Z fighters to train under them the way that Goku and Krillin sought out Master Roshi. So it's not surprising that by the time of the Buu knowledge about abilities like energy attacks and use of ki would have faded out of public consciousness and the techniques themselves fallen out of practice.
** Plus, Mr. Satan's claiming that it was all tricks and special effects might have helped people to further dismiss the notion of ki and supernatural martial arts abilities as being real, as they would have then looked back on any stories or recordings/accountings about such things as people falling for an old con, rather than actual evidence of its existence.
** On top of that, let's be honest here, the knowledge that there are literally multiple people standing on Earth with them that could ''destroy the goddamn planet on a whim'' would scare the shit out of the vast majority of people. Refusing to acknowledge that as a possibility is probably the only thing keeping half the population of the Earth sane.
** Ki and energy attacks are really rare in the Dragonball world (until DBO anyway) because hardly anyone actually knows how to use Ki or that it even exists. Those taught by the Turtle and Crane schools and their teachers are the only ones that are shown having the ability to access Ki at all and both of those schools hardly take on any students at all. Take a look at all the tournaments and fighters throughout Dragonball and DBZ and the number of people besides the protagonists and last round fighters that actually are shown using it is next to zero, and anytime Ki techniques are used by anybody such as the Kamehameha wave it's almost always mentioned to be legendary and mythical technique, something only people in the fighting biz and rabid fighting fans would have so much as heard of. Overall I'd say a couple dozen people on the entire planet can use Ki in any capacity at the most. Mostly the fighters besides the protagonists just use purely physical techniques based around raw power and/or speed rather than Ki. It's easy for a population of billions to dismiss something like Ki as tricks when hardly anybody knows about it, fewer have seen it firsthand, and next to nobody actually uses it. It isn't until the Cell games that Ki becomes involved in something big enough to be known to the world at large and Hercule quickly squashes much interest in it. Ki is definitely not something the average joe runs across every day and/or uses themselves.
* Pan's name - on the one hand, a pan as in 'frying pan' fits well with the series' food-related theme naming. But also, a pan pipe is a type of flute, like a piccolo. So Gohan named his kid after his mentor, too.
** Pan is also a religious figure often associated with the devil. As in Mark "Hercule Satan", and [[SignificantAnagram Videl]].
** Most importantly "Pan" is Japanese for "Bread"
** So in short, her name is a crossroads of all of the naming conventions of the prior generation.
** Also {{foreshadowing}}. One of the works most cemented in PopCultureOsmosis as far as comparing Pan to The Devil is ''Literature/TheGreatGodPan''. Now, what was the super saiyan transformation that came after 3, not counting GT? How was that transformation achieved?
* Gohan and Piccolo were both people who initially just wanted to be like their fathers, only to realise that the life their fathers had wasn't the life they wanted to live.
* It's been pointed out that despite the fact that Vegeta trains even harder than Goku, he can't quite catch up. This is contrasted with the irony that Vegeta was considered the natural prodigy as a child. However, when Goku first emerges from the Time Chamber during the Cell Saga, he explains that he was able to surpass Vegeta in less time because he trains ''better'' than Vegeta does; Vegeta tortures himself through rigorous but inefficient training methods because he doesn't know any better. He never needed to train very hard because of his natural aptitude, where as Goku was taught very effective training methods by Roshi, Korin, Kami, and King Kai.
* Cell, who who has [[AllYourPowersCombined the cells of all the Z-Fighters and Frieza within him]], attempted to [[EarthShatteringKaboom blow up the Eath]] when he realized he couldn't win... which is also what Frieza did on Namek in similar circumstances. LikeFatherLikeSon, eh?
* This took me a while to realize, but every time a new villain appears, they [[TheWorfBarrage worf]] the ultimate technique used against the previous villain.
** Raditz, Nappa, and Vegeta, for example, made many techniques and weapons from ''Manga/DragonBall'' useless: Nimbus (not fast enough), the Power Pole (never used), the Multi Form technique (rendered useless by Nappa), and even the Kamehameha wave (only had effect when used in tandem with the kaioken). In other words, earthly martial arts just wouldn't cut it. So what did? Martial arts made by the gods, namely the Kaioken and the Spirit Bomb.
** Then Frieza came along, [[NoSell tank]][[MadeOfIron ing]] both a Kaioken x20 Kamehameha and Universal Spirit Bomb. Then comes along the ultimate, legendary technique, usable only by a saiyan of pure heart: the Super Saiyan form...
** Which the androids immediately proved to be [[NoSell immune]] to. Instead, the form had to be reformed and perfected until we got Super Saiyan II.
** A few years pass, and Buu comes along, and not even a Super Saiyan II Vegeta can stop this monster. Instead, it takes Super Saiyan III, a form that technically shouldn't exist.
** And many years after that, [[Anime/DragonBallZBattleOfGods Beerus]] comes along and takes out Super Saiyan III Goku with ''one finger'', prompting our heroes to discover a form even beyond that: the Super Saiyan God.
** Super Saiyan God and even the form beyond that proves to be ineffective against [[spoiler:Goku Black]], who achieved a Super Saiyan God form of his own, [[spoiler:Super Saiyan Rose]]. Judging from the next episode, [[spoiler:Goku and Vegeta will revisit Potara fusion, last seen in the Buu Saga]].
** Comes the Tournament of Power, and [[spoiler:Jiren]] easily overpowers Goku throws at him, with only [[spoiler:Ultra Instinct]] allowing him to match the warrior stronger than even the Gods of Destruction.
* Despite the World Tournament going into shambles after Gohan's energy is stolen, the fights actually continue on. The next two matches scheduled after Gohan vs Kibito are Android #18 vs Mr. Satan, and Goku vs Vegeta, both of which end up happening, although under very different circumstances.
* Mr. Satan manages to get away with taking the credit for killing Cell and not a single character calls him out on it. That's because they'd been reminded by Goku of how all of Earth's most recent threats (Piccolo Jr., the Saiyans, Freeza, the androids and Cell) were all drawn to him either through vengeance or for the chance to challenge Earth's greatest warrior. They've learned that in order to protect the Earth, they'll need to keep a low profile.
** Though this doesn't stop Babidi from noticing their huge ki levels...
* The fusion of Goku and Vegeta into Vegetto (Vegito, Vegerot, what have you...) is brilliantly designed. The more powerful warrior (Goku) serves as the base of the body and clothing, and the more dominant personality (Vegeta) provides the color scheme plus miscellaneous items like gloves and boots. Now, what this has to do in relation to the Elder Kai and Kibito Kai...?
* If Frieza feared the Saiyan so much, then why did it take [[spoiler:a request from Beerus]] for him to destroy their homeworld, and ''still'' kept three of them around? Well, [[Manga/JacoTheGalacticPatrolman Jaco]] explains that the Galactic Patrol, enemy of Frieza's Planet Trade Organization, has virus bombs that can quickly extinguish all life on a planet but the Saiyans are immune to that. The Saiyans were the only members of his army that could take on the Galactic Patrol without worrying about the virus bomb.
** This is a mistranslation. Beerus never ordered Frieza to destroy the Saiyans, he only approved of it.
** Specifically, Freeza doing it meant Beerus didn't have to travel the thirty minutes via Whis to do it himself. The point about the Galactic Patrol virus still stands.
* Why isn't Vegeta wearing his armour at the Tenkaichi tournaments when he otherwise wears it all the time (even claiming it counts as Saiyan formal clothing when he wears it at a party)? Because the rules of the Tenkaichi Budokai forbid the use of weapons or armour, and he couldn't figure how to justify it.
* How did, during the Saiyan Saga, the Z Fighters go from weaker that Kami to stronger than Raditz by training under Kami, when three years of the same training didn't make Goku so strong? Because when they started they were already stronger than Goku was when he started, and because most of Goku's training there was aimed to ''calm him down'' so he wouldn't just use violence as his solution to everything as he used before.
** In a similar way, that's how the defunct Z Fighters benefitted more from training under King Kai: by being faster they didn't waste six months in just arriving there, and by being stronger than Goku was when he arrived they got more advanced training early on.
** As for Piccolo becoming strong during the Saiyan Saga... He was inflicting TrainingFromHell on a half-Saiyan who replied with equal violence as he demanded, and who became much stronger every time he recovered from the Piccolo-inflicted injuries. He (unwittingly?) inflicted himself an extremely sadistic TrainingFromHell, [[HadToBeSharp either he became stronger too or he died]].
** Kami is never shown training them in the sense of sparring with them or even teaching them much at all. They seem to mostly train independently, although a filler episode has them being given a taste of what they're up against, so they train harder.
* The 25th Tenkaichi Budokai shows some differences from the previous tournaments we've seen (21st, 22nd and 23rd), namely a 30 minutes time limit, the preliminaries disputed via the Punching Machine to prevent injuries, and a greater commercialization (shown by the larger stadium and the previously absent television broadcast), all of them apparently coming out of nowhere. Thing is, those very three tournaments are the reason for the new rules: the superhuman fighters of those tournaments proved themselves capable of fighting for hours, with the final match of the 21st tournament taking ''four hours'', hence the time limit due the fighting being scheduled to happen in a single day; the 23rd Tenkaichi saw [[{{Sadist}} Tao Pai Pai]] almost killing Chiaotzu and, [[{{Jerkass}} considering his character]], he likely did the same to anyone who fought him in the preliminaries (in fact the anime ''shows'' him beating a preliminary opponent so bad he needed hospitalization. Even Piccolo at his most evil was showing more restraint), hence the Punching Machine made specifically to prevent injuries in the preliminaries; the greater commercialization was made necessary by the heavy damage caused in those three tournaments, where, aside from contestants randomly breaking the walls by sending others flying into it (and Panput doing it on purpose because [[UnderestimatingBadassery he thought Goku was too weak to face him]] and [[PetTheDog didn't want to beat up a child]]), Goku in Great Ape form caused heavy damage to one of the buildings, Tien disintegrated the ring, and Piccolo ''annihilated the whole place'', necessitating the commercialization to raise the money and rebuild the whole place for the 24th Tenkaichi .
** Piccolo takes exception at the great commercialization, and makes a point of blowing up any recording or broadcasting equipment he sees. [[{{Irony}} His destruction of the original temple is the main reason for it]].
* Amongst many, many, ''many'' other titles, Biblical {{Satan}} is referred to as "The Father of Lies". In Dragon Ball Z, Mr. Satan justifies his title by being the biggest liar of them all, claiming the credit for killing both Cell and later Majin Buu, along with many other lies such as defeating Android 18 and claiming Buu is his apprentice.
* Vegeta's characterization in the Freeza Saga is TOTALLY different than that of the Cell saga. In the former, he's a borderline magnificent bastard, while in the latter, he's a trigger happy idiot who makes numerous mistakes that ultimately end up giving the villains the upper hand on more than one occasion. And then his characterization mysteriously changes back after Cell Saga, and while he's still a prideful idiot, he's got a much better head on his shoulders? What happened in the Cell Saga? He became a Super Saiyan, which is noted to emphasize the traits of recklessness and arrogance natural in Saiyans, especially if you're not used to the form. Remember, Vegeta didn't train to lose the negative aspects like Goku and Gohan did, and as a result, he kept the negative side effects of SSJ throughtout the Cell Saga. By the time of the Buu saga, he's got more of a handle on the form.
* Vegeta wanted immortality to fight Frieza, but what use would have it been if Frieza was still stronger than him? Easy: [[CameBackStrong every time Frieza hit him in such a way that should have killed him Vegeta's immortality would make him regenerate, and the Zenkai would boost his strength]] until he either became strong enough to win or Frieza exhausted himself and became too weak, whichever came first.
* When fighting Vegeta on Namek Frieza, who was supposedly terrified of the Super Saiyan, never showed any fear whenever his opponent became stronger and claimed to have become one, and later is strangely immobile when Goku actually becomes one and doesn't kill him before he can complete the transformation. This is easily explained if we take "Episode of Bardock" as canon: ''he already knows what a Super Saiyan looks like'' from his ancestor Chilled's warning (the creature that becomes blond called a Saiyan. Realizing it was actually a Super Saiyan wouldn't be a stretch for him once he heard of the legend), hence him not taking seriously Vegeta's claims, as he knows he's wrong (and not revealing what a Super Saiyan looks like because this way he'll break Vegeta that much harder when he has to face the truth he's still weaker), and [[OhCrap being too stunned to react when Goku starts transforming]].
** Even without considering ''Episode Of Bardock'', not only is Freeza a creature who transforms, but all of the saiyans and at least three of his non saiyan employees also transform. Even without the ability to sense ki, he can probably recognize a legit transformation, and even though Freeza and Zarbon do it to contain (power and hideousness, respectively), Abo, Kado and all the saiyans do so to increase. Seeing a noticeable, visible change in a saiyan, no matter how subtle, would be likely to freak him out if he can't think of a way to explain it with something like tails or full moons.
* King Kai originally told Goku that planet Vegeta had been destroyed by its Guardian, or God in the original Japanese, had summoned a meteor to crush into it when the wicked ways of the Saiyans went too far. We later learned that it had actually been Frieza to destroy it... And even later, we learned that Beerus sped up his plans due king Vegeta keeping the most comfortable cushion in the universe for himself. A God ''[[FromACertainPointOfView did]]'' summon what destroyed planet Vegeta due the Saiyan doing something evil, just it wasn't the planet's god, it wasn't a meteor, and the evil was suicidally stupid pettiness.
* At the start of the series Bulma is shown actually scared of ''Goku'' when Raditz reveals they're both Saiyan. As ''Manga/JacoTheGalacticPatrolman'' establishes she had known of the Saiyan for years, she has just realized that her best friend had come to Earth to wipe everyone out.
* In the "Buu Saga", Majin Buu displays the ability of healing very early on, which starkly contrasts from Buu's nature as we were told up to that point - a merciless, destructive force of nature. The brilliance comes in when you realize later on that Buu's healing ability was {{Foreshadowing}} of the fact that he had absorbed two Supreme Kai in the past, with Kibito demonstrating healing abilities in the same arc.
* Raditz said that Nappa and Vegeta would take a year to arrive, yet they show up a month early. Was he wrong? No, he was just measuring time in either the old Saiyan way or by the PTO count, and in whatever system he was using a year is shorter than Earth's by about an Earth month.
* At first, Uub seems like a retread of Gohan. He's an unimpressive fighter with a lot of potential that only becomes apparent when he is enraged. But that was the entire point. Goku wasn't just given an opponent who mirrored his son, but unlike Gohan, who had all the resources and conditions necessary to become a great fighter but kept throwing it away to focus on more worldly pursuits, Uub doesn't have the opportunities to develop his talents because of harsh worldly realities until Goku give him relief. Goku loves his biological sons the way they are, but Uub is the son he mistakenly believed Gohan to be during the Cell saga. Gohan doesn't lose his head until someone he cares about gets hurt, Uub got into fight mode simply by being in front of an opponent he didn't like.
* Scouters being broken so easily on certain mooks. For low-level mooks, the scouters are probably not built as well, and don't have the range of power levels as ones higher tiered leadership hold, as low level mooks would only really need to deal with civilians and low tier warriors. High power levels would overload these scouters really quickly and cause them to explode easily.
* On Namek, Recoome taunts Vegeta on not having any attack capable of dealing with their huge difference in power. Years later, Vegeta finds himself in the same situation against Perfect Cell... And suddenly he has the Final Flash, that would have disintegrated Cell had he not dodged at the last moment (and still caused him what should have been crippling damage [[FromASingleCell had he not been capable of regenerating from much worse]]). Sounds like Vegeta conceded that [[VillainHasAPoint Recoome had a point]]...

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* The romance between Vegeta and Bulma might look very unlikely from any logical standpoint at first glance, but makes sense when you consider some relevant elements of both characters. Bulma from the very first arc of the original series was shown as a very vain, flirty woman, who always swoons over handsome guys, but that a the same time, goes into jealousy rages with alarming frequency. Her on and off relationship with Yamcha precisely never seem to take off because Bulma gets jealous of any female interaction Yamcha displays. Now enter Vegeta, for most of the series the guy is just obsessed with surpassing Goku and doesn't care at all about anything else, less of all women. In practice, Vegeta could be in front of ANY earthling woman no matter how beautiful and he wouldn't care less about her, which in turn, makes him the ideal man in Bulma eyes since he will never, for any reason will look at other women. Future Trunks description about how Bulma and Yamcha broke up also fits with this, he says (because his mother told him most likely) that Yamcha was too promiscuous, but we never see the poor guy going with multiple women or anything like that, the brilliance being that in Bulma's eyes, even talking to some other woman was acting "promiscuous" something that Yamcha and every other man in the planet would do by sheer nature...but Vegeta would most likely never do. In the end, the prince of the saiyan was the only male fitting for Bulma (and perhaps well, Goku as she muses a couple of times, but he was already taken).
* When Vegeta says he's "known stronger houseplants" than Hercule Satan at first it sounds like typical Vegeta talk, but remember Vegeta was held in bondage by Frieza nearly his whole life. During that time he conquered thousands of planets and killed entire civilizations so ''maybe'' there ''was'' a planet whose populace had some form of plantlife to safeguard their homes.
** Or maybe he actually fought PlantPeople who managed to put up a decent fight.
** This is from the Bardock special so it's place in cannon is dubious, but wasn't Vegeta (the planet) known as Plant before the Saiyans came?
*** Oh, the Bardock special is ''definitely'' canon as its events are referenced several times in the anime proper. (The special where Bardock survives, time travels and turns Super Saiyan, on the other hand...)
** One word. ''Saibamen''. (And he's more than likely right; a human with standard human-level martial arts training probably tops out in the 100s somewhere. Saibamen were as strong as Raditz was upon his arrival on Earth: power level of '''1200.''')
* This troper hasn't seen DBZ in a while so please forgive any mistakes. If this troper recalls, 16 wasn't able to be wished back for whatever reason, perhaps because he was pure machine. Does this imply that he's soulless? Because if he could think, and feel, what makes his physiology any different from any of the aliens we saw in Other World? Does this mean 16 was only simulating the emotions according to glitchy programming, rather than experiencing them on the same spectrum as a human? Really makes this more Fridge Depression rather than Fridge Horror.
** It's not canon but, one of the [[GuideDangIt guidebooks]] says #16 was revived, and he went to live with #8. From a canon perspective, though, #16 wasn't revived simply because he wasn't alive to begin with. The gang specifically wished for all those ''killed'' by Cell to be revived, but #16, not being alive in the first place, was never killed by Cell. He would have been revived by a wish to restore everything destroyed by Cell, though, if they had thought to fix all the property damage Cell caused instead of removing some bombs that [[IdiotBall Bulma could have taken care of anyway.]]
* When Vegeta says that he succeeded in having becoming a Super Saiyan because [[PureIsNotGood his heart is pure evil]], he may have just been exaggerating for intimidation purposes-- and instead, what was pure was his determination to win. Which makes more sense for his character anyway, since his determination at the end of Z is so great that it manages to [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome scare Majin Buu]] because he refuses to give up or stay down, to a level that exceeds even Goku's own determinator status.
* While Supreme Kai's assertion that any of them could've killed Freezer makes them come off as dicks, consider how little it would actually solve; Freezer's the most active leader of the Planet Trade Organization, true, but he's not the only one, and as we see later, even killing the colds (King Cold, Freezer, Cooler) would only result in throwing the organization into disarray; countless people fighting for dominance over the most powerful group in the known universe. Whether an acceptable state of affairs or not, leaving an [[SpacePirates interstellar organization]] [[LawfulEvil that are the closest to universal lawmakers, and peacekeepers]] in place is better than fighting it violently, and the Supreme Kai realized this.
** {{Jossed}} in ''Manga/JacoTheGalacticPatrolman'', as it shows there ''is'' a competing government. On the other hand, given that Jaco, who is ''still'' a member of their elite Galactic Patrol (strongly implied to be the weakest, but still a member of an elite force) plainly admits he couldn't take on ''any'' adult Saiyan, it's likely that the Planet Trade Organization is the only one with the military force necessary for the job.
** Also, there's the fact Frieza destroyed Vegeta on ''Beerus''[='=] request. It was a one time thing, and Beerus was considering killing Frieza next time he woke up, but as far as Shin knew Frieza and his organization had a use in Beerus' job, and he didn't dare to wake him up and check.
* Trunks remarks that none of the stuff he predicted (apart from where Goku would land) was true; even the pair of androids who arrived at where he predicted was just a coincidence (they weren't the same androids he expected). He theorizes that it's due to time travel inherently messing with the timeline, however there are subtle hints he himself was responsible:
** Goku's disease manifesting itself much later could be because he physically trained himself in preparation for the androids; physical exercise improves your immune system. It was also Trunks who took care of King Cold and Frieza; Goku stated that he already had sensed the two and was prepared to teleport to the battle ahead of time. It's likely the exertion of going Super Saiyan again and fighting off both King Cold and Frieza that accelerated his condition, causing the heart disease to manifest earlier.
*** Except Goku is shown training as a Super Saiyan with Piccolo and Gohan, for 3 years straight. Also, physical exercise doesn't push back the onset of a disease you have already been exposed to. The only difference is that Goku was exposed later, probably because he isolated himself training, instead of going on adventures like he used to do.
** And this is possibly where Gero changed the power levels of the Androids; In Trunk's Timeline Goku would have arrived on Earth and would have fought a bloody battle with Frieza. As Cell has Frieza's cells, this means that Gero was, on some level, aware of the battle. He then must have known that the Mechanical Bodies he built for himself and 19 would be pointless, as Goku was clearly above their power level even before training and instead went to tweak on 17 and 18 more. In the main timeline, Goku never fought in it and the battle itself lasted too short for Gero to collect any meaningful data (Frieza and King Cold both got obliterated to ash, as oppose to possibly leaving behind corpses for Gero to collect and study). And the reason why 17 and 18 are weaker in Trunk's timeline? Gero always makes his androids powerful (as evident with 16 being the most powerful despite being the earliest one) and tone down from there. Gero, knowing his own #20 Mechanical body would not suffice, instead opted to tone down 17 and 18's power to manageable levels (which still predictably failed).
*** Gero stated he stopped watching Goku after the fight with Vegeta. the computer was the one handling the Cell project, not Gero. We also only have the word of a single fighter that never actually saw the androids fight at full power that there is any power difference at all. similarly, he was a baby when the androids appeared. For all we know, Vegeta handled #19 in the future, and then Gero activated #17 and #18, just like in the present.
** Finally, as to why the Androids are different; all of them have the objective of killing Goku, but as Goku is already dead by their activation, they really had no other goals; 16 (if he was activated) would have probably wandered into the woods to live a peaceful life with the animals. 16 also acted as a sort of morality chain for the two, usually advising against really heinous behavior of the two. Without him, the two went off the hook (especially 17, who even in the main timeline seemed to like carnage).
*** #16 never advised the other 2 on anything. He just refused to fight himself. The androids just (eventually) went off the deep end, because no one was there to stop them.
** Alternate interpretation: Gero in the original timeline would probably heard that Goku had died. This was six months before the androids attacked. So possibly he stopped upgrading the androids or downgraded them because their most powerful opponent was dead, and changed their programming. In the "main" timeline, the core instruction would have been something like "Kill Goku." That was all they were programmed to do, which explains their focus on finding him. But in the original timeline, with Goku dead, Gero might have changed the mission to "Kill everyone."
** Another possibility is that in Trunk's original timeline, Dr. Gero spent more time programming the androids, resulting in their hatred for humanity as a whole and leading to them being more psychotic. In the main timeline, Dr. Gero turned himself into an android and worked on other projects as well, including Android 16 and 19, seeing 17 and 18 as being too unstable. This could explain why they aren't as evil in the main timeline, as their programming wasn't complete and Dr. Gero only activated them as a last resort.
* Vegeta never really gets revenge for everything Frieza ever did to him but Frieza and his father were ultimately killed by Vegeta's son.
* At first, it seems rather odd that Majin Buu's original, primal form is so... small compared to the rest. But then you remember: Buu was created by Bibidi. And Bibidi's species are puny little shrimps compared to humans, Saiyans, and the like, with the adult Babidi being the same size - or smaller - as a 7-year-old human child. To shrimpy little Bibidi, the ~5-foot Kid Buu would be tall and imposing!
** Jossed. Buu's origins were {{Retcon}} so Bibidi didn't create him, only summoned him. Buu is as old as the universe. Him being puny just goes with the theme of the series of not judging people [[KillerRabbit by their appearance]].
* Why is Goku such a [[ParentalNeglect neglectful parent]]? It's literally InTheBlood: Saiyans (or at least low-ranking ones), from what we're shown, are basically sent off to other planets as infants, with no time to spend with their parents. It's questionable whether pure-blooded Saiyans even have a childhood phase, seeing how they're expected to start conquering the planet shortly after landing. While Prince Vegeta suggests this isn't always the case, it's possible that he got special treatment for being a prince (or at the very least, for being high-ranked). Tarble being banished for being too kind-hearted supports this. Add in the fact that Goku was RaisedByWolves, and he quite literally ''does not know how to be a parent''.
** According to ''Dragonball Minus'', Saiyan are sent out as children, but they're already grown up a fair bit by that time (Raditz's first mission came when he was already seven, right before the destruction of their homeworld, and in fact his mission mate was Vegeta himself), and Goku being sent out as a toddler was not completely the norm but [[FlingALightIntoTheFuture Bardock figuring that there was something strange in Frieza recalling all Saiyans to planet Vegeta and sending him on a planet with enough food for a growing Saiyan but nothing interesting for the Planet Trade Organization to invade]]. On the other hand, Saiyan childhood is implied to consist in combat training... And Goku was ''still'' RaisedByWolves.
** It is also [[CultureClash cultural]] in real life. Goku only really comes off as a [[ParentalNeglect neglectful parent]] to the people in the US. In Asia countries and part of Europe, Goku is seen as a good father who ''spoils'' Gohan. That is why Gohan's character development as a child was getting over his spoiled nature.
** ''Dragon Ball Minus'' stated ''Goku's mother'', a big softie by saiyan standards, was against sending infants out on planetary extermination missions, which is why Goku and Raditz were so "old". Prince Vegeta had already been on them, as Bardock had described Vegeta as a "pain" in the neck partner.
* It used to bother me that in in the Buu saga the people competing in the martial arts tournaments are all such weaklings and people in general are so disbelieving in abilities like ki and energy attacks and easily accept Mr Satan's claims that its all a trick when before those same abilities seemed much more widespread and known about. But then I realised that by the end of Piccolo saga it's pretty much just Goku and the other Z fighters who use those abilities and they basically disappear from the tournament scene until the Buu saga. All their adventures and battles take place in out of the way places or other planets and largely remain under the radar of the general public up til the Cell Saga. Also over the course of Dragonball Z nobody has sought out any of the Z fighters to train under them the way that Goku and Krillin sought out Master Roshi. So it's not surprising that by the time of the Buu knowledge about abilities like energy attacks and use of ki would have faded out of public consciousness and the techniques themselves fallen out of practice.
** Plus, Mr. Satan's claiming that it was all tricks and special effects might have helped people to further dismiss the notion of ki and supernatural martial arts abilities as being real, as they would have then looked back on any stories or recordings/accountings about such things as people falling for an old con, rather than actual evidence of its existence.
** On top of that, let's be honest here, the knowledge that there are literally multiple people standing on Earth with them that could ''destroy the goddamn planet on a whim'' would scare the shit out of the vast majority of people. Refusing to acknowledge that as a possibility is probably the only thing keeping half the population of the Earth sane.
** Ki and energy attacks are really rare in the Dragonball world (until DBO anyway) because hardly anyone actually knows how to use Ki or that it even exists. Those taught by the Turtle and Crane schools and their teachers are the only ones that are shown having the ability to access Ki at all and both of those schools hardly take on any students at all. Take a look at all the tournaments and fighters throughout Dragonball and DBZ and the number of people besides the protagonists and last round fighters that actually are shown using it is next to zero, and anytime Ki techniques are used by anybody such as the Kamehameha wave it's almost always mentioned to be legendary and mythical technique, something only people in the fighting biz and rabid fighting fans would have so much as heard of. Overall I'd say a couple dozen people on the entire planet can use Ki in any capacity at the most. Mostly the fighters besides the protagonists just use purely physical techniques based around raw power and/or speed rather than Ki. It's easy for a population of billions to dismiss something like Ki as tricks when hardly anybody knows about it, fewer have seen it firsthand, and next to nobody actually uses it. It isn't until the Cell games that Ki becomes involved in something big enough to be known to the world at large and Hercule quickly squashes much interest in it. Ki is definitely not something the average joe runs across every day and/or uses themselves.
* Pan's name - on the one hand, a pan as in 'frying pan' fits well with the series' food-related theme naming. But also, a pan pipe is a type of flute, like a piccolo. So Gohan named his kid after his mentor, too.
** Pan is also a religious figure often associated with the devil. As in Mark "Hercule Satan", and [[SignificantAnagram Videl]].
** Most importantly "Pan" is Japanese for "Bread"
** So in short, her name is a crossroads of all of the naming conventions of the prior generation.
** Also {{foreshadowing}}. One of the works most cemented in PopCultureOsmosis as far as comparing Pan to The Devil is ''Literature/TheGreatGodPan''. Now, what was the super saiyan transformation that came after 3, not counting GT? How was that transformation achieved?
* Gohan and Piccolo were both people who initially just wanted to be like their fathers, only to realise that the life their fathers had wasn't the life they wanted to live.
* It's been pointed out that despite the fact that Vegeta trains even harder than Goku, he can't quite catch up. This is contrasted with the irony that Vegeta was considered the natural prodigy as a child. However, when Goku first emerges from the Time Chamber during the Cell Saga, he explains that he was able to surpass Vegeta in less time because he trains ''better'' than Vegeta does; Vegeta tortures himself through rigorous but inefficient training methods because he doesn't know any better. He never needed to train very hard because of his natural aptitude, where as Goku was taught very effective training methods by Roshi, Korin, Kami, and King Kai.
* Cell, who who has [[AllYourPowersCombined the cells of all the Z-Fighters and Frieza within him]], attempted to [[EarthShatteringKaboom blow up the Eath]] when he realized he couldn't win... which is also what Frieza did on Namek in similar circumstances. LikeFatherLikeSon, eh?
* This took me a while to realize, but every time a new villain appears, they [[TheWorfBarrage worf]] the ultimate technique used against the previous villain.
** Raditz, Nappa, and Vegeta, for example, made many techniques and weapons from ''Manga/DragonBall'' useless: Nimbus (not fast enough), the Power Pole (never used), the Multi Form technique (rendered useless by Nappa), and even the Kamehameha wave (only had effect when used in tandem with the kaioken). In other words, earthly martial arts just wouldn't cut it. So what did? Martial arts made by the gods, namely the Kaioken and the Spirit Bomb.
** Then Frieza came along, [[NoSell tank]][[MadeOfIron ing]] both a Kaioken x20 Kamehameha and Universal Spirit Bomb. Then comes along the ultimate, legendary technique, usable only by a saiyan of pure heart: the Super Saiyan form...
** Which the androids immediately proved to be [[NoSell immune]] to. Instead, the form had to be reformed and perfected until we got Super Saiyan II.
** A few years pass, and Buu comes along, and not even a Super Saiyan II Vegeta can stop this monster. Instead, it takes Super Saiyan III, a form that technically shouldn't exist.
** And many years after that, [[Anime/DragonBallZBattleOfGods Beerus]] comes along and takes out Super Saiyan III Goku with ''one finger'', prompting our heroes to discover a form even beyond that: the Super Saiyan God.
** Super Saiyan God and even the form beyond that proves to be ineffective against [[spoiler:Goku Black]], who achieved a Super Saiyan God form of his own, [[spoiler:Super Saiyan Rose]]. Judging from the next episode, [[spoiler:Goku and Vegeta will revisit Potara fusion, last seen in the Buu Saga]].
** Comes the Tournament of Power, and [[spoiler:Jiren]] easily overpowers Goku throws at him, with only [[spoiler:Ultra Instinct]] allowing him to match the warrior stronger than even the Gods of Destruction.
* Despite the World Tournament going into shambles after Gohan's energy is stolen, the fights actually continue on. The next two matches scheduled after Gohan vs Kibito are Android #18 vs Mr. Satan, and Goku vs Vegeta, both of which end up happening, although under very different circumstances.
* Mr. Satan manages to get away with taking the credit for killing Cell and not a single character calls him out on it. That's because they'd been reminded by Goku of how all of Earth's most recent threats (Piccolo Jr., the Saiyans, Freeza, the androids and Cell) were all drawn to him either through vengeance or for the chance to challenge Earth's greatest warrior. They've learned that in order to protect the Earth, they'll need to keep a low profile.
** Though this doesn't stop Babidi from noticing their huge ki levels...
* The fusion of Goku and Vegeta into Vegetto (Vegito, Vegerot, what have you...) is brilliantly designed. The more powerful warrior (Goku) serves as the base of the body and clothing, and the more dominant personality (Vegeta) provides the color scheme plus miscellaneous items like gloves and boots. Now, what this has to do in relation to the Elder Kai and Kibito Kai...?
* If Frieza feared the Saiyan so much, then why did it take [[spoiler:a request from Beerus]] for him to destroy their homeworld, and ''still'' kept three of them around? Well, [[Manga/JacoTheGalacticPatrolman Jaco]] explains that the Galactic Patrol, enemy of Frieza's Planet Trade Organization, has virus bombs that can quickly extinguish all life on a planet but the Saiyans are immune to that. The Saiyans were the only members of his army that could take on the Galactic Patrol without worrying about the virus bomb.
** This is a mistranslation. Beerus never ordered Frieza to destroy the Saiyans, he only approved of it.
** Specifically, Freeza doing it meant Beerus didn't have to travel the thirty minutes via Whis to do it himself. The point about the Galactic Patrol virus still stands.
* Why isn't Vegeta wearing his armour at the Tenkaichi tournaments when he otherwise wears it all the time (even claiming it counts as Saiyan formal clothing when he wears it at a party)? Because the rules of the Tenkaichi Budokai forbid the use of weapons or armour, and he couldn't figure how to justify it.
* How did, during the Saiyan Saga, the Z Fighters go from weaker that Kami to stronger than Raditz by training under Kami, when three years of the same training didn't make Goku so strong? Because when they started they were already stronger than Goku was when he started, and because most of Goku's training there was aimed to ''calm him down'' so he wouldn't just use violence as his solution to everything as he used before.
** In a similar way, that's how the defunct Z Fighters benefitted more from training under King Kai: by being faster they didn't waste six months in just arriving there, and by being stronger than Goku was when he arrived they got more advanced training early on.
** As for Piccolo becoming strong during the Saiyan Saga... He was inflicting TrainingFromHell on a half-Saiyan who replied with equal violence as he demanded, and who became much stronger every time he recovered from the Piccolo-inflicted injuries. He (unwittingly?) inflicted himself an extremely sadistic TrainingFromHell, [[HadToBeSharp either he became stronger too or he died]].
** Kami is never shown training them in the sense of sparring with them or even teaching them much at all. They seem to mostly train independently, although a filler episode has them being given a taste of what they're up against, so they train harder.
* The 25th Tenkaichi Budokai shows some differences from the previous tournaments we've seen (21st, 22nd and 23rd), namely a 30 minutes time limit, the preliminaries disputed via the Punching Machine to prevent injuries, and a greater commercialization (shown by the larger stadium and the previously absent television broadcast), all of them apparently coming out of nowhere. Thing is, those very three tournaments are the reason for the new rules: the superhuman fighters of those tournaments proved themselves capable of fighting for hours, with the final match of the 21st tournament taking ''four hours'', hence the time limit due the fighting being scheduled to happen in a single day; the 23rd Tenkaichi saw [[{{Sadist}} Tao Pai Pai]] almost killing Chiaotzu and, [[{{Jerkass}} considering his character]], he likely did the same to anyone who fought him in the preliminaries (in fact the anime ''shows'' him beating a preliminary opponent so bad he needed hospitalization. Even Piccolo at his most evil was showing more restraint), hence the Punching Machine made specifically to prevent injuries in the preliminaries; the greater commercialization was made necessary by the heavy damage caused in those three tournaments, where, aside from contestants randomly breaking the walls by sending others flying into it (and Panput doing it on purpose because [[UnderestimatingBadassery he thought Goku was too weak to face him]] and [[PetTheDog didn't want to beat up a child]]), Goku in Great Ape form caused heavy damage to one of the buildings, Tien disintegrated the ring, and Piccolo ''annihilated the whole place'', necessitating the commercialization to raise the money and rebuild the whole place for the 24th Tenkaichi .
** Piccolo takes exception at the great commercialization, and makes a point of blowing up any recording or broadcasting equipment he sees. [[{{Irony}} His destruction of the original temple is the main reason for it]].
* Amongst many, many, ''many'' other titles, Biblical {{Satan}} is referred to as "The Father of Lies". In Dragon Ball Z, Mr. Satan justifies his title by being the biggest liar of them all, claiming the credit for killing both Cell and later Majin Buu, along with many other lies such as defeating Android 18 and claiming Buu is his apprentice.
* Vegeta's characterization in the Freeza Saga is TOTALLY different than that of the Cell saga. In the former, he's a borderline magnificent bastard, while in the latter, he's a trigger happy idiot who makes numerous mistakes that ultimately end up giving the villains the upper hand on more than one occasion. And then his characterization mysteriously changes back after Cell Saga, and while he's still a prideful idiot, he's got a much better head on his shoulders? What happened in the Cell Saga? He became a Super Saiyan, which is noted to emphasize the traits of recklessness and arrogance natural in Saiyans, especially if you're not used to the form. Remember, Vegeta didn't train to lose the negative aspects like Goku and Gohan did, and as a result, he kept the negative side effects of SSJ throughtout the Cell Saga. By the time of the Buu saga, he's got more of a handle on the form.
* Vegeta wanted immortality to fight Frieza, but what use would have it been if Frieza was still stronger than him? Easy: [[CameBackStrong every time Frieza hit him in such a way that should have killed him Vegeta's immortality would make him regenerate, and the Zenkai would boost his strength]] until he either became strong enough to win or Frieza exhausted himself and became too weak, whichever came first.
* When fighting Vegeta on Namek Frieza, who was supposedly terrified of the Super Saiyan, never showed any fear whenever his opponent became stronger and claimed to have become one, and later is strangely immobile when Goku actually becomes one and doesn't kill him before he can complete the transformation. This is easily explained if we take "Episode of Bardock" as canon: ''he already knows what a Super Saiyan looks like'' from his ancestor Chilled's warning (the creature that becomes blond called a Saiyan. Realizing it was actually a Super Saiyan wouldn't be a stretch for him once he heard of the legend), hence him not taking seriously Vegeta's claims, as he knows he's wrong (and not revealing what a Super Saiyan looks like because this way he'll break Vegeta that much harder when he has to face the truth he's still weaker), and [[OhCrap being too stunned to react when Goku starts transforming]].
** Even without considering ''Episode Of Bardock'', not only is Freeza a creature who transforms, but all of the saiyans and at least three of his non saiyan employees also transform. Even without the ability to sense ki, he can probably recognize a legit transformation, and even though Freeza and Zarbon do it to contain (power and hideousness, respectively), Abo, Kado and all the saiyans do so to increase. Seeing a noticeable, visible change in a saiyan, no matter how subtle, would be likely to freak him out if he can't think of a way to explain it with something like tails or full moons.
* King Kai originally told Goku that planet Vegeta had been destroyed by its Guardian, or God in the original Japanese, had summoned a meteor to crush into it when the wicked ways of the Saiyans went too far. We later learned that it had actually been Frieza to destroy it... And even later, we learned that Beerus sped up his plans due king Vegeta keeping the most comfortable cushion in the universe for himself. A God ''[[FromACertainPointOfView did]]'' summon what destroyed planet Vegeta due the Saiyan doing something evil, just it wasn't the planet's god, it wasn't a meteor, and the evil was suicidally stupid pettiness.
* At the start of the series Bulma is shown actually scared of ''Goku'' when Raditz reveals they're both Saiyan. As ''Manga/JacoTheGalacticPatrolman'' establishes she had known of the Saiyan for years, she has just realized that her best friend had come to Earth to wipe everyone out.
* In the "Buu Saga", Majin Buu displays the ability of healing very early on, which starkly contrasts from Buu's nature as we were told up to that point - a merciless, destructive force of nature. The brilliance comes in when you realize later on that Buu's healing ability was {{Foreshadowing}} of the fact that he had absorbed two Supreme Kai in the past, with Kibito demonstrating healing abilities in the same arc.
* Raditz said that Nappa and Vegeta would take a year to arrive, yet they show up a month early. Was he wrong? No, he was just measuring time in either the old Saiyan way or by the PTO count, and in whatever system he was using a year is shorter than Earth's by about an Earth month.
* At first, Uub seems like a retread of Gohan. He's an unimpressive fighter with a lot of potential that only becomes apparent when he is enraged. But that was the entire point. Goku wasn't just given an opponent who mirrored his son, but unlike Gohan, who had all the resources and conditions necessary to become a great fighter but kept throwing it away to focus on more worldly pursuits, Uub doesn't have the opportunities to develop his talents because of harsh worldly realities until Goku give him relief. Goku loves his biological sons the way they are, but Uub is the son he mistakenly believed Gohan to be during the Cell saga. Gohan doesn't lose his head until someone he cares about gets hurt, Uub got into fight mode simply by being in front of an opponent he didn't like.
* Scouters being broken so easily on certain mooks. For low-level mooks, the scouters are probably not built as well, and don't have the range of power levels as ones higher tiered leadership hold, as low level mooks would only really need to deal with civilians and low tier warriors. High power levels would overload these scouters really quickly and cause them to explode easily.
* On Namek, Recoome taunts Vegeta on not having any attack capable of dealing with their huge difference in power. Years later, Vegeta finds himself in the same situation against Perfect Cell... And suddenly he has the Final Flash, that would have disintegrated Cell had he not dodged at the last moment (and still caused him what should have been crippling damage [[FromASingleCell had he not been capable of regenerating from much worse]]). Sounds like Vegeta conceded that [[VillainHasAPoint Recoome had a point]]...
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