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4th Jan '18 10:55:53 AM EDP
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* On Namek, Recoome taunts Vegeta on not having any attack capable of dealing with their huge difference in power. Years later, Vegeta finds himself in the same situation against Perfect Cell... And suddenly he has the Final Flash, that would have disintegrated Cell had he not dodged at the last moment (and still caused him what should have been crippling damage [[FromASingleCell had he not been capable of regenerating from much worse]]). Sounds like Vegeta conceded that [[VillainHasAPoint Recoome had a point]]...
3rd Jan '18 8:45:26 PM tclittle
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*Scouters being broken so easily on certain mooks. For low-level mooks, the scouters are probably not built as well, and don't have the range of power levels as ones higher tiered leadership hold, as low level mooks would only really need to deal with civilians and low tier warriors. High power levels would overload these scouters really quickly and cause them to explode easily.
18th Dec '17 12:31:47 PM EDP
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* The 25th Tenkaichi Budokai shows some differences from the previous tournaments we've seen (21st, 22nd and 23rd), namely a 30 minutes time limit, the preliminaries disputed via the Punching Machine to prevent injuries, and a greater commercialization (shown by the larger stadium and the previously absent television broadcast), all of them apparently coming out of nowhere. Thing is, those very three tournaments are the reason for the new rules: the superhuman fighters of those tournaments proved themselves capable of fighting for hours, with the final match of the 21st tournament taking ''four hours'', hence the time limit due the fighting being scheduled to happen in a single day; the 23rd Tenkaichi saw [[{{Sadist}} Tao Pai Pai]] almost killing Chiaotzu and, [[{{Jerkass}} considering his character]], he likely did the same to anyone who fought him in the preliminaries (in fact the anime ''shows'' him beating a preliminary opponent so bad he needed hospitalization. Even Piccolo at his most evil was showing more restraint), hence the Punching Machine made specifically to prevent injuries in the preliminaries; the greater commercialization was made necessary by the heavy damage caused in those three tournaments, where, aside from contestants randomly breaking the walls by sending others flying into it (and Panput doing it on purpose [[UnderestimatingBadassery he thought Goku was too weak to face him]] and [[PetTheDog didn't want to beat up a child]]), Goku in Great Ape form caused heavy damage to one of the buildings, Tien disintegrated the ring, and Piccolo ''annihilated the whole place'', necessitating the commercialization to raise the money and rebuild the whole place for the 24th Tenkaichi .

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* The 25th Tenkaichi Budokai shows some differences from the previous tournaments we've seen (21st, 22nd and 23rd), namely a 30 minutes time limit, the preliminaries disputed via the Punching Machine to prevent injuries, and a greater commercialization (shown by the larger stadium and the previously absent television broadcast), all of them apparently coming out of nowhere. Thing is, those very three tournaments are the reason for the new rules: the superhuman fighters of those tournaments proved themselves capable of fighting for hours, with the final match of the 21st tournament taking ''four hours'', hence the time limit due the fighting being scheduled to happen in a single day; the 23rd Tenkaichi saw [[{{Sadist}} Tao Pai Pai]] almost killing Chiaotzu and, [[{{Jerkass}} considering his character]], he likely did the same to anyone who fought him in the preliminaries (in fact the anime ''shows'' him beating a preliminary opponent so bad he needed hospitalization. Even Piccolo at his most evil was showing more restraint), hence the Punching Machine made specifically to prevent injuries in the preliminaries; the greater commercialization was made necessary by the heavy damage caused in those three tournaments, where, aside from contestants randomly breaking the walls by sending others flying into it (and Panput doing it on purpose because [[UnderestimatingBadassery he thought Goku was too weak to face him]] and [[PetTheDog didn't want to beat up a child]]), Goku in Great Ape form caused heavy damage to one of the buildings, Tien disintegrated the ring, and Piccolo ''annihilated the whole place'', necessitating the commercialization to raise the money and rebuild the whole place for the 24th Tenkaichi .
18th Dec '17 12:28:18 PM EDP
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** Comes the Tournament of Power, and [[spoiler:Jiren]] easily overpowers Goku throws at him, with only [[spoiler:Ultra Instinct]] allowing him to match the warrior stronger than even the Gods of Destruction.
18th Dec '17 12:06:46 PM EDP
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** Also, there's the fact Frieza destroyed Vegeta on ''Beerus''[='=] request. It was a one time thing, and Beerus was considering killing Frieza next time he woke up, but as far as Shin knew Frieza and his organization had a use in Beerus' job, and he didn't dare to wake him up and check.



*** Except Goku is shown training as a super saiyan with Piccolo and Gohan, for 3 years straight. Also, physical exercise doesn't push back the onset of a disease you have already been exposed to. The only difference is that Goku was exposed later, probably because he isolated himself training, instead of going on adventures like he used to do.

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*** Except Goku is shown training as a super saiyan Super Saiyan with Piccolo and Gohan, for 3 years straight. Also, physical exercise doesn't push back the onset of a disease you have already been exposed to. The only difference is that Goku was exposed later, probably because he isolated himself training, instead of going on adventures like he used to do.
18th Dec '17 11:58:43 AM EDP
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* The romance between Vegeta and Bulma might look very unlikely from any logical standpoint at first glance, but makes sense when you consider some relevant elements of both characters. Bulma from the very first arc of the original series was shown as a very vain, flirty woman, who always swoons over handsome guys, but that a the same time, goes into jealousy rages with alarming frequency. Her on and off relationship with Yamcha precisely never seem to take off because Bulma gets jealous of any female interaction Yamcha displays. Now enter Vegeta, for most of the series the guy is just obsessed with surpassing Goku and doesn't care at all about anything else, less of all women. In practice, Vegeta could be in front of ANY earthling woman no matter how beautiful and he wouldn't care less about her, which in turn, makes him the ideal man in Bulma eyes since he will never, for any reason will look at other women. Future Trunks description about how Bulma and Yamcha broke up also fits with this, he says (because his mother told him most likely) that Yamcha was too promiscuous, but we never see the poor guy going with multiple women or anything like that, the brilliance being that in Bulma's eyes, even talking to some other woman was actting "promiscuous" something that Yamcha and every other man in the planet would do by sheer nature...but Vegeta would most likely never do. In the end, the prince of the saiyan was the only male fitting for Bulma (and perhaps well, Goku as she muses a couple of times, but he was already taken).

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* The romance between Vegeta and Bulma might look very unlikely from any logical standpoint at first glance, but makes sense when you consider some relevant elements of both characters. Bulma from the very first arc of the original series was shown as a very vain, flirty woman, who always swoons over handsome guys, but that a the same time, goes into jealousy rages with alarming frequency. Her on and off relationship with Yamcha precisely never seem to take off because Bulma gets jealous of any female interaction Yamcha displays. Now enter Vegeta, for most of the series the guy is just obsessed with surpassing Goku and doesn't care at all about anything else, less of all women. In practice, Vegeta could be in front of ANY earthling woman no matter how beautiful and he wouldn't care less about her, which in turn, makes him the ideal man in Bulma eyes since he will never, for any reason will look at other women. Future Trunks description about how Bulma and Yamcha broke up also fits with this, he says (because his mother told him most likely) that Yamcha was too promiscuous, but we never see the poor guy going with multiple women or anything like that, the brilliance being that in Bulma's eyes, even talking to some other woman was actting acting "promiscuous" something that Yamcha and every other man in the planet would do by sheer nature...but Vegeta would most likely never do. In the end, the prince of the saiyan was the only male fitting for Bulma (and perhaps well, Goku as she muses a couple of times, but he was already taken).
21st Oct '17 8:44:17 PM KrspaceT
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* Buu giving sight to Tommy the blind kid is heartwarming and all, but slight thing about the blind at birth types who are given sight. They tend to go '''mad'''. Yeah, Dragon Ball Online may have said he had came out okay, but how canon is that anyway?
12th Oct '17 11:14:27 AM JamesAustin
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* Near the end of the show, [[spoiler:Super Buu uses the human extinction attack to kill pretty much every Earthling who isn't on the lookout.]] ''Manga/DrSlump'' shares the same world as ''Dragon Ball''. [[spoiler:Sure, everyone was brought back later but Arale, her fairies, & Dr. Slump might have been suddenly killed in front of each other by mysterious energy beams.]] That would be incredibly traumatic, especially if [[spoiler:Dr. Slump had to essentially watch his daughter die a second time & she probably hasn't aged considering she's a robot. Would she even be brought back by the dragonballs?]]
** Considering that we don't see them giving Goku any ki, it's possible that Arale really was killed off for real.
*** As of the announcement of her making an appearance in ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'', it's safe to say she was not.

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* Near the end of the show, [[spoiler:Super Buu uses the human extinction attack to kill pretty much every Earthling who isn't on the lookout.]] ''Manga/DrSlump'' shares the same world as ''Dragon Ball''. [[spoiler:Sure, everyone was brought back later but Arale, her fairies, & and Dr. Slump might have been suddenly killed in front of each other by mysterious energy beams.]] That would be incredibly traumatic, especially if [[spoiler:Dr. Slump had to essentially watch his daughter die a second time & and she probably hasn't aged considering she's a robot. Would she even be brought back by the dragonballs?]]
** Considering
Dragon Balls? Then again, considering that we don't see them giving Goku any ki, it's possible that Arale really was killed off for real.
*** As of the announcement of her making
she made an appearance in ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'', ''Dragon Ball Super'', it's safe to say she was not.that she's alive and well.]]
4th Sep '17 7:43:31 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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** Alternative universes still exist though, 17 would have still become a ranger and very likely had a family. That said, his family wasn't anywhere near him when the Super 17 fusion happen, so they'd probably be upset about losing a father/husband, but would not be harmed by him.



*** They do mention having created a cure for that virus in Trunk's time, which is why Trunks was able to give him such a cure in the first place, so it probably was a dangerous virus that killed a lot of people if they bothered to go out of their make a cure for it while a bunch of omnicidal androids were running around destroying entire cities. I'd say it's very likely that Saiyans long since developed some sort of super artificial immune system to protect their warriors and infants from most diseases they could potentially come across, as they would have been pretty useless for conquering planets otherwise. Perhaps it needs to be renewed every few years or something, thus Goku still gets infected with the heart virus and subsequently killed by it while the Saiyans back then would have still "had their shots" as it were, thus the extinction virus was useless.

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*** They do mention having created a cure for that virus in Trunk's time, which is why Trunks was able to give him such a cure in the first place, so it probably was a dangerous virus that killed a lot of people if they bothered to go out of their way make a cure for it while a bunch of omnicidal androids were running around destroying entire cities. I'd say it's very likely that Saiyans long since developed some sort of super artificial immune system to protect their warriors and infants from most diseases they could potentially come across, as they would have been pretty useless for conquering planets otherwise. Perhaps it needs to be renewed every few years or something, thus Goku still gets infected with the heart virus and subsequently killed by it while the Saiyans back then would have still "had their shots" as it were, thus the extinction virus was useless.



*** In this setting, "Pure" does not mean "good". Pure good can exist, but pure means "unclouded". Goku is mostly good, but not pure good. He's capable of being selfish and vindictive. What he isn't is inherently malicious, deceptive, indecisive or self questioning. He's good because he doesn't seek to cause harm he himself wouldn't find deserving in reversal, but he's pure just through consistency with lack of ulterior motives. PureIsNotGood explains more.
*** Also keep in mind Babadi didn't immediately identify Vegeta as a viable target until Dabura pointed out, and even he did not immediately realize it. It is entirely possible Gohan's capacity for cruelty if angered enough would also make him a target, assuming of course said tendency wasn't driven out of him from the trauma of his father's death. And it definitely would have been harder to find, much less exploit, than Vegeta's purely selfish and resentful desire to be evil again.



** Given that everyone in that verse has access to capsule that can contain an entire armory, a meca able to blow up town, and an exoskeleton that would make a Terminator blush and can basicaly become a space marine on super space steroids just by working out and meditating, it's actualy more surprising that we don't see MORE crime, especialy since the mondial army got slaughtered by Cell.

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** Given that everyone in that verse has access to capsule that can contain an entire armory, a meca able to blow up town, and an exoskeleton that would make a Terminator blush and can basicaly become a space marine on super space steroids just by working out and meditating, it's actualy actually more surprising that we don't see MORE crime, especialy especially since the mondial army got slaughtered by Cell.



* Roshi's perverted antics on Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z are played out for laughs, but then you stop and realize that this guy would secretly peep on your wife or teen daughter while she is showering in his house. He doesn't mind groping his ex-students' wives, Chi-Chi and Android 18. Plus, some of the females he flirted with were around 16.

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* Roshi's perverted antics on Dragon ''Dragon Ball'' and ''Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z Z'' are played out for laughs, but then you stop and realize that this guy would secretly peep on your wife or teen daughter while she is showering in his house. He doesn't mind groping his ex-students' wives, Chi-Chi and Android 18. Plus, some of the females he flirted with were around 16.



* One of Bulma's friends is Jaco, the Galactic Patrolman, whose job includes preventing ''any'' manipulation of time. While he's willing to bend the rules to save people (such as using an imperfect time machine to stop time for what someone inside the machine feels like 50 seconds so he'll be able to reach a falling spaceship, save the crew and kick it away where its explosion won't kill anyone), time travel is well beyond what he's allowed to tolerate. What's going to happen in the timelines where Future Trunks and Cell hail from when Jaco shows up?

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* One of Bulma's friends is Jaco, the Galactic Patrolman, whose job includes preventing ''any'' manipulation of time. While he's willing to bend the rules to save people (such as using an imperfect time machine to stop slow time for what someone inside the machine feels like 50 seconds so he'll be able to reach a falling spaceship, save the crew and kick it away where its explosion won't kill anyone), time travel is well beyond what he's allowed to tolerate. What's going to happen in the timelines where Future Trunks and Cell hail from when Jaco shows up?



** Goku's disease manifesting itself much later could be because he physically trained himself in preparation for the androids; physical exercise improves your immune system. It was also Trunks who took care of King Cold and Frieza; Goku stated that he already had sensed the two and were prepared to teleport to the battle ahead of time. It's likely the exertion of going Super Saiyan again and fighting off both King Cold and Frieza that accelerated his condition, causing the heart disease to manifest earlier.

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** Goku's disease manifesting itself much later could be because he physically trained himself in preparation for the androids; physical exercise improves your immune system. It was also Trunks who took care of King Cold and Frieza; Goku stated that he already had sensed the two and were was prepared to teleport to the battle ahead of time. It's likely the exertion of going Super Saiyan again and fighting off both King Cold and Frieza that accelerated his condition, causing the heart disease to manifest earlier.



* It used to bother me that in in the Buu saga the people competing in the martial arts tournaments are all such weaklings and people in general are so disbelieving in abilities like ki and energy attacks and easily accept Mr Satan's claims that its all a trick when in Dragonball those same abilities seemed much more widespread and known about. But then I realised that by the end of Dragonball it's pretty much just Goku and the other Z fighters who use those abilities and they basically disappear from the tournament scene until the Buu saga. All their adventures and battles take place in out of the way places or other planets and largely remain under the radar of the general public up til the Cell Saga. Also over the course of Dragonball Z nobody has sought out any of the Z fighters to train under them the way that Goku and Krillin sought out Master Roshi. So it's not surprising that by the time of the Buu knowledge about abilities like energy attacks and use of ki would have faded out of public consciousness and the techniques themselves fallen out of practice.

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** ''Dragon Ball Minus'' stated ''Goku's mother'', a big softie by saiyan standards, was against sending infants out on planetary extermination missions, which is why Goku and Raditz were so "old". Prince Vegeta had already been on them, as Bardock had described Vegeta as a "pain" in the neck partner.
* It used to bother me that in in the Buu saga the people competing in the martial arts tournaments are all such weaklings and people in general are so disbelieving in abilities like ki and energy attacks and easily accept Mr Satan's claims that its all a trick when in Dragonball before those same abilities seemed much more widespread and known about. But then I realised that by the end of Dragonball Piccolo saga it's pretty much just Goku and the other Z fighters who use those abilities and they basically disappear from the tournament scene until the Buu saga. All their adventures and battles take place in out of the way places or other planets and largely remain under the radar of the general public up til the Cell Saga. Also over the course of Dragonball Z nobody has sought out any of the Z fighters to train under them the way that Goku and Krillin sought out Master Roshi. So it's not surprising that by the time of the Buu knowledge about abilities like energy attacks and use of ki would have faded out of public consciousness and the techniques themselves fallen out of practice.



** Also {{foreshadowing}}. One of the works most cemented in PopCultureOsmosis as far as comparing Pan to The Devil is ''Literature/TheGreatGodPan''. Now, what was the super saiyan transformation that came after 3, not counting GT? How was that transformation achieved?



* It's been pointed out that despite the fact that Vegeta trains even harder than Goku, he can't quite catch up. This is contrasted with the irony that Vegeta was considered the natural prodigy as a child. However, when Goku first emerges from the Time Chamber during the Cell Saga, he explains that he was able to surpass Vegeta in less time because he trains ''better'' than Vegeta does; Vegeta tortures himself through rigorous but inefficient training methods because he doesn't know any better. He never needed to train very hard because of his natural aptitude, where as Goku was taught very effective training methods by Roshi, Kami, and King Kai.

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* It's been pointed out that despite the fact that Vegeta trains even harder than Goku, he can't quite catch up. This is contrasted with the irony that Vegeta was considered the natural prodigy as a child. However, when Goku first emerges from the Time Chamber during the Cell Saga, he explains that he was able to surpass Vegeta in less time because he trains ''better'' than Vegeta does; Vegeta tortures himself through rigorous but inefficient training methods because he doesn't know any better. He never needed to train very hard because of his natural aptitude, where as Goku was taught very effective training methods by Roshi, Korin, Kami, and King Kai.



** Raditz, Nappa, and Vegeta, for example, made many techniques and weapons from ''Anime/DragonBall'' useless: Nimbus (not fast enough), the Power Pole (never used), the Multi Form technique (rendered useless by Nappa), and even the Kamehameha wave (only had effect when used in tandem with the kaioken). In other words, earthly martial arts just wouldn't cut it. So what did? Martial arts made by the gods, namely the Kaioken and the Spirit Bomb.

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** Raditz, Nappa, and Vegeta, for example, made many techniques and weapons from ''Anime/DragonBall'' ''Manga/DragonBall'' useless: Nimbus (not fast enough), the Power Pole (never used), the Multi Form technique (rendered useless by Nappa), and even the Kamehameha wave (only had effect when used in tandem with the kaioken). In other words, earthly martial arts just wouldn't cut it. So what did? Martial arts made by the gods, namely the Kaioken and the Spirit Bomb.



** Specifically, Freeza doing it meant Beerus didn't have to travel the thirty minutes via Whis to do it himself. The point about the Galactic Patrol virus still stands.



* King Kai originally told Goku that planet Vegeta had been destroyed by its Guardian, or God in the original Japanese, had summoned a meteor to crush into it when the wicked ways of the Saiyans went too far. We later learned that it had actually been Frieza to destroy it... And even later, we learned that Beerus sped up his plans due king Vegeta keeping the most comfortable cushion in the universe for himself. A God ''did'' summon what destroyed planet Vegeta due the Saiyan doing something evil, just it wasn't the planet's god, it wasn't a meteor, and the evil was suicidally stupid pettiness.

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** Even without considering ''Episode Of Bardock'', not only is Freeza a creature who transforms, but all of the saiyans and at least three of his non saiyan employees also transform. Even without the ability to sense ki, he can probably recognize a legit transformation, and even though Freeza and Zarbon do it to contain (power and hideousness, respectively), Abo, Kado and all the saiyans do so to increase. Seeing a noticeable, visible change in a saiyan, no matter how subtle, would be likely to freak him out if he can't think of a way to explain it with something like tails or full moons.
* King Kai originally told Goku that planet Vegeta had been destroyed by its Guardian, or God in the original Japanese, had summoned a meteor to crush into it when the wicked ways of the Saiyans went too far. We later learned that it had actually been Frieza to destroy it... And even later, we learned that Beerus sped up his plans due king Vegeta keeping the most comfortable cushion in the universe for himself. A God ''did'' ''[[FromACertainPointOfView did]]'' summon what destroyed planet Vegeta due the Saiyan doing something evil, just it wasn't the planet's god, it wasn't a meteor, and the evil was suicidally stupid pettiness.




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* At first, Uub seems like a retread of Gohan. He's an unimpressive fighter with a lot of potential that only becomes apparent when he is enraged. But that was the entire point. Goku wasn't just given an opponent who mirrored his son, but unlike Gohan, who had all the resources and conditions necessary to become a great fighter but kept throwing it away to focus on more worldly pursuits, Uub doesn't have the opportunities to develop his talents because of harsh worldly realities until Goku give him relief. Goku loves his biological sons the way they are, but Uub is the son he mistakenly believed Gohan to be during the Cell saga. Gohan doesn't lose his head until someone he cares about gets hurt, Uub got into fight mode simply by being in front of an opponent he didn't like.



** Dende's also had a power up from Guru.



** Garlic Jr. gained immortality from the Dragon Balls. That is probably canon.

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** Garlic Jr. gained immortality from the Dragon Balls. That is probably canon.canon.
** Garlic Jr is not in continuity, but the dragons can outlive the creators of dragon balls, so maybe.
21st Jul '17 1:56:57 PM EDP
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* Raditz said that Nappa and Vegeta would take a year to arrive, yet they show up a month early. Was he wrong? No, he was just measuring time in either the old Saiyan way or by the PTO count, and in whatever system he was using a year is shorter than Earth's by about an Earth month.
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