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** Which would mean that all the summons found in Dissidia were originally from the world of the original VideoGame/{{Final Fantasy|1}}.

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** Which would mean that all the summons found in Dissidia were originally from the world of the original VideoGame/{{Final Fantasy|1}}.VideoGame/FinalFantasyI.
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** Additionally, ''XII'' as of this writing is the only mainline Final Fantasy game that doesn't use any of the standard summons; instead, most of the Espers are the Lucavi from ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics'' with a couple of {{Canon Foreigner}}s based on past game antagonists ([[MyFriendsAndZoidberg and Shemhazai]], who is completely original to ''XII''). Vaan might legitimately consider "Espers" and "Eidolons" to be separate concepts.
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* The [[Characters/Dissidia012FinalFantasyWarriorsOfCosmos Duodecim Warriors]] page notes that (A) Kain is TheLancer to Lightning, obligatory "bonus points for the BladeOnAStick" joke included, and (B) that his [[JavelinThrower Javelin Throw]] by the name of Gungnir is a dual mythology gag to his final inverse SoLongAndThanksForAllTheGear armament, and "...an attack used by [...] Odin where he throws his spear at opponents immune to [[OneHitKill Zantetsuken]]. Now look at this: Lightning's intention of slaughtering everything until she gets her crystal is promptly hijacked by the manikins, so Kain goes out of his way to start backstabbing and set up cycle 013. Lightning carries XIII's Zantetsuken blades. In other words, Multiverse!Odin is ''using Gungnir because Zantetsuken is ineffective!''

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* The [[Characters/Dissidia012FinalFantasyWarriorsOfCosmos Duodecim Warriors]] page notes that (A) Kain is TheLancer to Lightning, obligatory "bonus points for the BladeOnAStick" spear" joke included, and (B) that his [[JavelinThrower Javelin Throw]] by the name of Gungnir is a dual mythology gag to his final inverse SoLongAndThanksForAllTheGear armament, and "...an attack used by [...] Odin where he throws his spear at opponents immune to [[OneHitKill Zantetsuken]]. Now look at this: Lightning's intention of slaughtering everything until she gets her crystal is promptly hijacked by the manikins, so Kain goes out of his way to start backstabbing and set up cycle 013. Lightning carries XIII's Zantetsuken blades. In other words, Multiverse!Odin is ''using Gungnir because Zantetsuken is ineffective!''
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* During his travels, the Warrior of Light encounters Sephiroth. He engages Sephiroth and fights him. After the Warrior of Light wins the duel, Sephiroth asks him why he fights, and the Warrior replies that it is for the Crystals and for the war to end. However, Sephiroth says that the [[BloodKnight Warrior fights for the thrill of it]], [[EvilCounterpart just as he does]]. The irony is, he's not far off. After going over the Reports, you'll realize that the Warrior and Sephiroth have ''very'' similar backgrounds. [[NotSoDifferent Being created artificially by individuals who did not initially care about them. Created to be nothing but a living tool or weapon.]] One could say that they are opposite sides of the same coin (possibly more so than the ([[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Cloud/Sephiroth]] dynamic). Though Sephiroth was wrong about one thing; they are alike, and yet totally different. While Sephiroth does enjoy fighting, to the Warrior, fighting is simply something he does, without malice or delight. Unlike Sephiroth, the Warrior of Light never mocks his opponents nor rejoices in their suffering. To him, war and fighting are not a game, but rather a duty. In the end, the Warrior could have very easily ended up like Sephiroth, and Sephiroth could have become a great hero like the Warrior. So in the end, it was thanks to the intervention of another party (Prishe in the case of the Warrior) that led the two down such different paths.

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* During his travels, the Warrior of Light encounters Sephiroth. He engages Sephiroth and fights him. After the Warrior of Light wins the duel, Sephiroth asks him why he fights, and the Warrior replies that it is for the Crystals and for the war to end. However, Sephiroth says that the [[BloodKnight Warrior fights for the thrill of it]], [[EvilCounterpart just as he does]]. The irony is, he's not far off. After going over the Reports, you'll realize that the Warrior and Sephiroth have ''very'' similar backgrounds. [[NotSoDifferent Being created artificially by individuals who did not initially care about them. Created to be nothing but a living tool or weapon.]] One could say that they are opposite sides of the same coin (possibly more so than the ([[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Cloud/Sephiroth]] dynamic). Though Sephiroth was wrong about one thing; they are alike, and yet totally different. While Sephiroth does enjoy fighting, to the Warrior, fighting is simply something he does, without malice or delight. Unlike Sephiroth, the Warrior of Light never mocks his opponents nor rejoices in their suffering. To him, war and fighting are not a game, but rather a duty. In the end, the Warrior could have very easily ended up like Sephiroth, and Sephiroth could have become a great hero like the Warrior. So in the end, it was thanks to the intervention of another party (Prishe in the case of the Warrior) that led the two down such different paths.
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* Why are there more heroes than villains in the long run? Each villain needed at least three heroes to take down in their respective games. The balancing is there to prevent the heroes from being outclassed.

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* ''Dissidia 012'' makes it explicitly clear what the Crystals are with a cutscene right before the first storyline showing Cosmos imbuing her Warriors with her powers, and Lightning's narration that this power will manifest for them as Crystals eventually. However, this causes a number of problems, because Tidus, Terra, and Cloud were Warriors of Chaos at this time and never took part in this. Thus, there's no explanation for why they are able to manifest Crystals in the next cycle -- you ''could'' make the case for Tidus that his Crystal was meant to be Jecht's, since Jecht transferred his light to Tidus, but that doesn't work because it would fly against The Emperor's plans for him. And of course, by the end of the 12th cycle Lightning, Laguna, Vaan, Yuna, Tifa, and Kain die before manifesting their Crystals, so what happened to Cosmos' power inside them?
** Well, there are ways and ways to see. As for Tidus, like you said, Jecht gave him the power of Cosmos that was in himself. There was probably still some remnants of it inside of him, especially with how the narration mentions that Jecht's willpower was so strong that his crystal could have appeared at any second. So Emperor's plan still works (or at least, makes as much sense as anything in Final Fantasy games). As for Cloud and Terra (unmarked spoiled ahead): After Terra defeated a horde of Manikins, she arrived at Cosmos, and she granted her some of her power right there. Cloud? Well, he prayed to Cosmos while he was dying at the hands of Chaos, and Cosmos listened, and it seemed like right there she sent him a token of her power as well, so he'd awaken as her new chosen warrior during the next cycle. At least, those are my interpretations.
** And as the DoomedByCanon group fade away, they seem to be shedding Light or some sort of energy. That could very well be Cosmos's power going back to where it belongs.
** There IS an explanation; Golbez doesn't put the idea to give the Warriors enough power that it would kill her and therefore make the next cycle the very last until after 012. [=WoL=], Firion, Cloud, Zidane, and the others all got the lion's share of their crystal shaping powers at the start of 013, so the issue of the other not being there the first time is completely irrelevant.
** The final speech of Scenario 000 turns this into straight FridgeBrilliance -- the light Cosmos granted to her six fallen warriors reforms in World B, bringing her back to life.

* ''Duodecim''. Yuna's chapter. Tidus just [[TakingTheBullet took the bullet for Yuna]]. Sure, the fight was meant to show that [[BewareTheNiceOnes you don't mess with Yuna's loved ones]], but shouldn't ''Yuna'' (who was also a [[TheMedic White Mage]] in ''X'') be the one tending to Tidus while Jecht goes all PapaWolf on Emperor Mateus' ass?]
** She doesn't have any white magic spells in Duodecim. The game is pretty good about getting rid of GameplayAndStorySegregation, so her using white magic when she has none wouldn't make any sense. Also, I saw it as a bit of their personalities that aren't always shown. Jecht truly does love his son and wishes to help him, and Yuna won't stand those who hurt her friends.

* It is made clear that the 13th cycle is the only victory the Cosmos warriors have ever won; for the first twelve cycles, the Warriors of Chaos won. But in the two cycles we players see, they seem pretty un-unified. Look at the various Warriors of Chaos between the two games -- Cloud and Kuja don't want to participate, Sephiroth has his own interests and simply doesn't care, Exdeath cares but doesn't make much of an effort, Golbez is a traitor, Jecht, Tidus, and Terra are only serving Chaos because they're brainwashed, and the Cloud of Darkness has no problem with giving the enemy confidential information if it means it'll make things interesting for her. The only villains who seem actually interested in winning are Garland, The Emperor, Kefka, and Ultimecia. That said, just how did these guys keep winning for twelve rounds in a row?
** Been wondering the same thing. One of my first thoughts was that they always had the Manikins, but then that makes you wonder how the Manikins didn't kill for good more warriors by now. Another possibility is that they are just that much more powerful, which could be the case considering that, in each Final Fantasy, each character needs their whole team to ultimately defeat the BigBad. It's perhaps because of finally having Cosmos' power properly grown within them in the 13th Cycle that they were finally able to challenge them and win. But that's just a theory. One way or another, ''Duodecim'' really left some plot holes all around, if you ask me.
** Considering those killed by the Manikins are KilledOffForReal along with their exponential replacement rate, and the lack of any from previous cycles, I find it unlikely it started before the 12th. Because the purpose of the cycles are to make Chaos into the ultimate weapon, my guess is that in each of the previous cycles, his warriors would weed out as many of Cosmos's they could while any survivors would be curbstomped by Chaos; since Cosmos never seems to directly fight, a stalemate's as good as a win for Chaos. Also, since fighting regains memories while falling loses them, it's possible that after 11 consecutive wins Chaos's warriors would remember their goals and those who weren't content with fighting the same people until the end of the world lost motivation. I know some of this is probably WMG, but that's my 2 cents.
*** The reason Chaos summoned warriors in the first place was so that he wouldn't have to fight Cosmos' warriors. Though he's perfectly fine with his warriors doing what they want, since he doesn't want to force them to fight.
** Actually, during "An Unfold Tale", if I remember correctly, the Cid moogle tells you the warriors of Chaos grew stronger and stronger as they kept winning, and by the 13th cycle, the difference in strength was overwhelming. So just like it was suggested, they were strong by themselves in the first place, but after winning a few times, they grew even STRONGER and became more likely to keep ''winning'' and getting even '''STRONGER'''.
** Remember, the warriors of both sides were brought in without their memories and only slowly regained them over time. So Characters like Cloud, Kuja and Golbez didn't start out indifferent or working against their teammates, they became so over time, likely only reaching their normal personalities over several cycles. So by the time their personal quirks got in the way of their effectiveness their side was strong enough to not need their full participation.

* This may kinda mix with [[Headscratchers/HomePage Just Bugs Me]], but whatever. There's one thing I don't understand: What in the world is Lightning's relationship with roses? I played all of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII'' and I can't remember any connection from Lightning to any type of flower, yet she states in one of the Report Scenes that she felt a connection to Firion's Wild Rose. I know her HP Attacks now come with PetalPower, but that's another thing that doesn't make any sense, since she didn't have anything like that at all in her original game. Why exactly did they add all this, then? Unless it's secretly foreshadowing something from ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII-2'', I just don't get it.
** Lightning does have a bit of a rose motif in FFXIII, most visible when she summons Odin. Her Crystarium crystal is pink and shaped like a rose, and the Odin summon in FFXIII features a lot of flying red rose petals; that's where Lightning's HP attacks come from, which is the reason for the PetalPower.
*** Guess that's what I get for having pretty much never used the summons. ^^U

* Here's some Fridge Logic that could spawn even more ''Dissidia'' games. The ending tells us the Warrior of Light sets off for Cornelia with his Crystal, mirroring the start of the original ''Final Fantasy''. So, what about the other three Light Warriors?
** I believe Dissidia is suggesting a {{Retcon}} there; after all, he's been said to be a CompositeCharacter. Also, I don't see much of a reason for which the original Final Fantasy's story couldn't work with only one Warrior of Light.
** Because the story for the game states each of the four Warriors of Light carries one of the de-powered Crystals.
** Technically the original game could be played with four heroes or one, and the story would adjust accordingly.
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** [[WatsonianVersusDoylist Also,]] this son of a fish is a [[[TheComputerIsACheatingBastard Cheating Bastard]] of a OneWingedAngel of an SNKBoss, and if Verus was half as effective as the usual Shinryu was then we'd all be BONED.

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** [[WatsonianVersusDoylist Also,]] this son of a fish is a [[[TheComputerIsACheatingBastard [[TheComputerIsACheatingBastard Cheating Bastard]] of a OneWingedAngel of an SNKBoss, and if Verus was half as effective as the usual Shinryu was then we'd all be BONED.

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