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* ''Dissidia 012'' makes it explicitly clear what the Crystals are with a cutscene right before the first storyline showing Cosmos imbuing her Warriors with her powers, and Lightning's narration that this power will manifest for them as Crystals eventually. However this causes a number of problems, because Tidus, Terra and Cloud were Warriors of Chaos at this time and never took part in this. Thus there's no explanation for why they are able to manifest Crystals in the next cycle--you ''could'' make the case for Tidus that [[spoiler:his Crystal was meant to be Jecht's since Jecht transferred his light to Tidus]], but that doesn't work because it would fly against The Emperor's plans for him. And of course by the end of the 12th cycle [[spoiler:Lightning, Laguna, Vaan, Yuna, Tifa and Kain die before manifesting their Crystals, so what happened to Cosmos' power inside them?]]
** Well, there are ways and ways to see. As for Tidus, like you said, Jecht gave him the power of Cosmos that was in himself. There was probably still some remnants of it inside of him, specially with how narration mentions that Jecht's willpower was so strong that his crystal could have appeared at any second. So Emperor's plan still works (or at least, makes as much sense as anything in Final Fantasy games). As for Cloud and Terra (unmarked spoiled ahead): After Terra defeated a horde of Manekins, she arrived at Cosmos, and she granted her some of her power right there. Cloud? Well, he prayed to Cosmos while he was dying at the hands of Chaos, and Cosmos listened, and it seemed like right there she sent him a token of her power as well, so he'd awaken as her new chosen warrior during the next cycle. At least, those are my interpretations.

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* ''Dissidia 012'' makes it explicitly clear what the Crystals are with a cutscene right before the first storyline showing Cosmos imbuing her Warriors with her powers, and Lightning's narration that this power will manifest for them as Crystals eventually. However, this causes a number of problems, because Tidus, Terra, and Cloud were Warriors of Chaos at this time and never took part in this. Thus, there's no explanation for why they are able to manifest Crystals in the next cycle -- you ''could'' make the case for Tidus that [[spoiler:his Crystal was meant to be Jecht's, since Jecht transferred his light to Tidus]], but that doesn't work because it would fly against The Emperor's plans for him. And of course, by the end of the 12th cycle [[spoiler:Lightning, Laguna, Vaan, Yuna, Tifa, and Kain die before manifesting their Crystals, so what happened to Cosmos' power inside them?]]
** Well, there are ways and ways to see. As for Tidus, like you said, Jecht gave him the power of Cosmos that was in himself. There was probably still some remnants of it inside of him, especially with how the narration mentions that Jecht's willpower was so strong that his crystal could have appeared at any second. So Emperor's plan still works (or at least, makes as much sense as anything in Final Fantasy games). As for Cloud and Terra (unmarked spoiled ahead): After Terra defeated a horde of Manikins, she arrived at Cosmos, and she granted her some of her power right there. Cloud? Well, he prayed to Cosmos while he was dying at the hands of Chaos, and Cosmos listened, and it seemed like right there she sent him a token of her power as well, so he'd awaken as her new chosen warrior during the next cycle. At least, those are my interpretations.

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** She doesn't have any white magic spells in Duodecim. The game is pretty good about getting rid of GameplayStorySegregation so her using white magic when she has none wouldn't make any sense. Also I saw it as a bit of their personalities that aren't always shown. Jecht truly does love his son and wishes to help him and Yuna won't stand those who hurt her friends.

* It is made clear the 13th cycle is the only victory the Cosmos warriors have ever won, for the first twelve cycles the Warriors of Chaos won. But in the two cycles we players see, they seem pretty un-unified. Look at the various Warriors of Chaos between the two games--Cloud and Kuja don't want to participate, Sephiroth has his own interests and simply doesn't care, Exdeath cares but doesn't make much of an effort, Golbez is a traitor, Jecht, Tidus and Terra are only serving Chaos because they're brainwashed, and the Cloud of Darkness has no problem giving the enemy confidential information if it means it'll make things interesting for her. The only villains who seem actually interested in winning are Garland, The Emperor, Kefka and Ultimecia. That said, just how did these guys keep winning for twelve rounds in a row?
** Been wondering the same thing. One of my first thoughts was that they always had the Manekins, but then that makes you wonder how the Manekins didn't kill for good more warriors by now. Another possibility is that they are just that much more powerful, which could be the case considering that, in each Final Fantasy, each character needs their whole team to ultimately defeat the BigBad. It's perhaps because of finally having Cosmos' power properly grown within them in the 13th Cycle that they were finally able to challenge them and win. But that's just a theory. One way or another, ''Duodecim'' really left some plot holes all around, if you ask me.
** [[spoiler: Considering those killed by the Manekins are KilledOffForReal along with their exponential replacement rate and the lack of any from previous cycles i find it unlikely it started before the 12th. Because the purpose of the cycles are to make Chaos into the ultimate weapon my guess is that in each of the previous cycles his warriors would weed out as many of Cosmos's they could while any survivors would be curbstomped by Chaos, since Cosmos never seems to directly fight a stalemate's as good as a win for Chaos. Also since fighting regains memories while falling loses them its possible that after 11 consecutive wins Chaos's warriors would remember their goals and those who werent content with fighting the same people until the end of the world lost motivation.]] i know some of this is probably WMG but thats my 2 cents.
*** [[spoiler: The reason Chaos summoned warriors in the first place was so that he wouldn't have to fight Cosmos warriors. Though he's perfectly fine with his warriors doing what they want since he doesn't want to force them to fight.]]
** Actually, during "An Unfold Tale", [[spoiler: if I remember correctly, the Cid moogle tells you the warriors of Chaos grew stronger and stronger as they kept winning; and by the 13th cycle the difference in strength was overwhelming. So just like it was suggested, they were strong by themselves in the first place, but after winning a few times they grew even STRONGER and become more likely to keep ''winning'' and getting even '''STRONGER'''.]]

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** She doesn't have any white magic spells in Duodecim. The game is pretty good about getting rid of GameplayAndStorySegregation, so her using white magic when she has none wouldn't make any sense. Also, I saw it as a bit of their personalities that aren't always shown. Jecht truly does love his son and wishes to help him, and Yuna won't stand those who hurt her friends.

* It is made clear that the 13th cycle is the only victory the Cosmos warriors have ever won; for the first twelve cycles, the Warriors of Chaos won. But in the two cycles we players see, they seem pretty un-unified. Look at the various Warriors of Chaos between the two games -- Cloud and Kuja don't want to participate, Sephiroth has his own interests and simply doesn't care, Exdeath cares but doesn't make much of an effort, Golbez is a traitor, Jecht, Tidus, and Terra are only serving Chaos because they're brainwashed, and the Cloud of Darkness has no problem with giving the enemy confidential information if it means it'll make things interesting for her. The only villains who seem actually interested in winning are Garland, The Emperor, Kefka, and Ultimecia. That said, just how did these guys keep winning for twelve rounds in a row?
** Been wondering the same thing. One of my first thoughts was that they always had the Manikins, but then that makes you wonder how the Manikins didn't kill for good more warriors by now. Another possibility is that they are just that much more powerful, which could be the case considering that, in each Final Fantasy, each character needs their whole team to ultimately defeat the BigBad. It's perhaps because of finally having Cosmos' power properly grown within them in the 13th Cycle that they were finally able to challenge them and win. But that's just a theory. One way or another, ''Duodecim'' really left some plot holes all around, if you ask me.
** [[spoiler:Considering those killed by the Manikins are KilledOffForReal along with their exponential replacement rate, and the lack of any from previous cycles, I find it unlikely it started before the 12th. Because the purpose of the cycles are to make Chaos into the ultimate weapon, my guess is that in each of the previous cycles, his warriors would weed out as many of Cosmos's they could while any survivors would be curbstomped by Chaos; since Cosmos never seems to directly fight, a stalemate's as good as a win for Chaos. Also, since fighting regains memories while falling loses them, it's possible that after 11 consecutive wins Chaos's warriors would remember their goals and those who weren't content with fighting the same people until the end of the world lost motivation.]] I know some of this is probably WMG, but that's my 2 cents.
*** [[spoiler:The reason Chaos summoned warriors in the first place was so that he wouldn't have to fight Cosmos' warriors. Though he's perfectly fine with his warriors doing what they want, since he doesn't want to force them to fight.]]
** Actually, during "An Unfold Tale", [[spoiler:if I remember correctly, the Cid moogle tells you the warriors of Chaos grew stronger and stronger as they kept winning, and by the 13th cycle, the difference in strength was overwhelming. So just like it was suggested, they were strong by themselves in the first place, but after winning a few times, they grew even STRONGER and became more likely to keep ''winning'' and getting even '''STRONGER'''.]]

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* If you watch Garland's attacks, he isn't swinging his sword back and forth like most other characters. With Round Edge and Lance Charge especially, his attacks have him swing his sword once and let it move on its own with the momentum it builds up. Considering how ungodly huge it is, consider the massive strength that would be required to wield it like a proper sword--swinging it this way is probably the only way he can do it without breaking something!
** It also explains how he can have such slow movement then suddenly move at lightning speed when attacking -- when he's just walking around he has to drag the sword behind him, when he starts swinging it he's not only free of that weight, but the momentum is going to probably speed him up.
* Why is Cloud, a non-mage character, the only character able to use the three levels of a spell of the same element (Fire, Fira and Firaga)? In [=FFVII=]'s world, a mastered Fire Materia would have allowed him to use all three versions of the spell. Likewise, in ''Dissidia 012'' Tifa has all three levels of the Blizzard spell.

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* If you watch Garland's attacks, he isn't swinging his sword back and forth like most other characters. With Round Edge and Lance Charge especially, his attacks have him swing his sword once and let it move on its own with the momentum it builds up. Considering how ungodly huge it is, consider the massive strength that would be required to wield it like a proper sword -- swinging it this way is probably the only way he can do it without breaking something!
** It also explains how he can have such slow movement, then suddenly move at lightning speed when attacking -- when he's just walking around, he has to drag the sword behind him, but when he starts swinging it, he's not only free of that weight, but the momentum is going to probably speed him up.
* Why is Cloud, a non-mage character, the only character able to use the three levels of a spell of the same element (Fire, Fira, and Firaga)? In [=FFVII=]'s world, a mastered Fire Materia would have allowed him to use all three versions of the spell. Likewise, in ''Dissidia 012'', Tifa has all three levels of the Blizzard spell.

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* In ''Dissidia 012'', Squall's gameplay makes him one of the best (if not the best) suited ones for relying on the Assist Feature makes quite a contrast with his "I Work Alone" attitude... Until you remember that his character arc in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII'' saw him move from beliving that being alone makes life easier for him as opposed to relying on others.
** Further brilliance: If Squall is the one ''being'' an Assist, he is better suited to do a bunch of Bravery attacks on his own than to do combos with the main character. So, essentially, ''you are hiring him to do his own thing''. Once a [=SeeD=] always a [=SeeD=].
* Gabranth's attacks are more violent versions of his identical twin Basch's Quickenings, and [[TheOtherDarrin his voice actor changed from Michael Rogers in]] ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII'' [[TheOtherDarrin to Keith Ferguson, Basch's voice actor]], [[OohMeAccentsSlipping who struggles to replicate Gabranth's British accent & the end result is the character sounds like Basch trying to sound like his brother]]. At the end of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII'', Basch assumes Gabranth's identity, ''so it's not out of the realm of believability that "Gabranth" in this game is really Basch under his brother's identity.''

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* In ''Dissidia 012'', Squall's gameplay makes him one of the best (if not the best) suited ones for relying on the Assist Feature, which makes for quite a contrast with his "I Work Alone" attitude... until you remember that his character arc in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII'' saw him move from believing that being alone makes life easier for him to learning that it's okay to rely on others.
** Further brilliance: If Squall is the one ''being'' an Assist, he is better suited to do a bunch of Bravery attacks on his own than to do combos with the main character. So, essentially, ''you are hiring him to do his own thing''. Once a [=SeeD=], always a [=SeeD=].
* Gabranth's attacks are more violent versions of his identical twin Basch's Quickenings, and [[TheOtherDarrin his voice actor changed from Michael Rogers in]] ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII'' [[TheOtherDarrin to Keith Ferguson, Basch's voice actor]], [[OohMeAccentsSlipping who struggles to replicate Gabranth's British accent, & the end result is the character sounds like Basch trying to sound like his brother]]. At the end of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII'', Basch assumes Gabranth's identity, ''so it's not out of the realm of believability that "Gabranth" in this game is really Basch under his brother's identity.''

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* Why is Cecil, of all people, the ShipperOnDeck in ''012''? Two very good reasons--first, if you assume he was taken from a post-''The After Years'' world, he's been happily married for almost 20 years, so it makes sense he'd be the one of the group with the best relationship advice. And second, it's a callback to the medieval interpretation of love and romance, back when they didn't necessarily mean sexual attraction, but were instead used to express loyalty and friendship, even between two people of the same gender (it would be completely in-line for a knight to say he loved his king in order to convey fealty). Cecil is the typical KnightInShiningArmor and comes from an heavily medieval-influenced game where he was raised in precisely such an environment.
* A minor one, but this troper noticed that during replays of when Exdeath tells the Warriors of Cosmos that [[spoiler: the crystals were Cosmos's strength, and gathering them are why she fell]], Tidus was always the one who realized it first. Perhaps he remembers being an unwitting part of someone's sacrifice in a roundabout way?

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* Why is Cecil, of all people, the ShipperOnDeck in ''012''? Two very good reasons -- first, if you assume he was taken from a post-''The After Years'' world, he's been happily married for almost 20 years, so it makes sense he'd be the one of the group with the best relationship advice. And second, it's a callback to the medieval interpretation of love and romance, back when they didn't necessarily mean sexual attraction, but were instead used to express loyalty and friendship, even between two people of the same gender (it would be completely in-line for a knight to say he loved his king in order to convey fealty). Cecil is the typical KnightInShiningArmor and comes from a heavily medieval-influenced game where he was raised in precisely such an environment.
* A minor one, but this troper noticed that during replays of when Exdeath tells the Warriors of Cosmos that [[spoiler:the crystals were Cosmos's strength, and gathering them are why she fell]], Tidus was always the one who realized it first. Perhaps he remembers being an unwitting part of someone's sacrifice in a roundabout way?

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** This would be more accurately a WMG, but once I thought that maybe metals in [=FFVI=]'s universe are of relatively bad quality (hence why in that world whenever magic appears everybody jumps in the bandwagon), and that's why Terra doesn't use her sword. Her Apocalypse might be a wonderful weapon in her own world, but here it is no match to even the Onion Knight's starting sword.
* Vaan helps Terra, and when she's confused why when they're on opposing sides he explains that it doesn't matter which side they're on, people are people. It's ''Final Fantasy XII''s'' GreyAndGrayMorality all over again!
* Kefka being played up as a ManipulativeBastard in ''012''--he pits his enemies against each other and manipulates other people to fight in order to get what he wants rather than confronting them himself. Give him nicer hair and make him more articulate, and he's a stand-in for Vayne! And hey, where does Vaan fight Kefka in his story--Sky Fortress Bahamut!
* Why are all the areas not destroyed in the "shattering of worlds" the places were you fight the final boss of their games? Because Chaos, as has been noted, is a surprisingly BenevolentBoss and wants his minions to be comfortable, so he makes sure to preserve the places where each is most relaxed--where they wait for the heroes.
** Pandemonium is full of tight corridors and difficult to manuver in. So of course The Emperor, who relies on leading people into traps, is right at home.
* I can't believe I didn't notice this before, but the chain skills are a ShoutOut to chess. Straight chains are rooks, cross chains are bishops, jump chains are knights, round chains are kings and multichains are queens.
* Laguna's EX Mode, "look, the faeries are here!" is a reference to MentalTimeTravel sequences in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII'' in which Ellone sent Squall's consciousness back in time to ride along in Laguna's mind and observe past events. Whenever this happened, Laguna received the benefit of Squall's Guardian Force junction and [=SeeD=] training; unaware of the true cause, he and his friends attributed it to faeries. So what's going on in Laguna's EX Mode? Like the rest of the 13th cycle's heroes, Squall spends most of 012 "sleeping" after being defeated by Kain - from which state he once again lends his strength to Laguna.
* The entry under HarsherInHindsight is actually a case of ShownTheirWork as Tidus pretty much acted as an ungrateful little bastard towards Jecht, demonising his father and ignoring any positive interpretations of his actions in X. It's heavily implied during a conversation with Yuna that this is how Tidus holds onto Jecht's memory. So, take that, subtract the rest of his memories and it's a perfect characterisation in Duodecism!

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** This would be more accurately a WMG, but once I thought that maybe metals in [=FFVI=]'s universe are of relatively bad quality (hence why in that world whenever magic appears, everybody jumps on the bandwagon), and that's why Terra doesn't use her sword. Her Apocalypse might be a wonderful weapon in her own world, but here it is no match to even the Onion Knight's starting sword.
* Vaan helps Terra, and when she's confused why when they're on opposing sides, he explains that it doesn't matter which side they're on, people are people. It's ''Final Fantasy XII''s'' GreyAndGrayMorality all over again!
* Kefka being played up as a ManipulativeBastard in ''012'' -- he pits his enemies against each other and manipulates other people to fight in order to get what he wants rather than confronting them himself. Give him nicer hair and make him more articulate, and he's a stand-in for Vayne! And hey, where does Vaan fight Kefka in his story -- Sky Fortress Bahamut!
* Why are all the areas not destroyed in the "shattering of worlds" the places where you fight the final boss of their games? Because Chaos, as has been noted, is a surprisingly BenevolentBoss and wants his minions to be comfortable, so he makes sure to preserve the places where each is most relaxed -- where they wait for the heroes.
** Pandemonium is full of tight corridors and difficult to maneuver in. So of course The Emperor, who relies on leading people into traps, is right at home.
* I can't believe I didn't notice this before, but the chain skills are a ShoutOut to chess. Straight chains are rooks, cross chains are bishops, jump chains are knights, round chains are kings, and multichains are queens.
* Laguna's EX Mode, "look, the faeries are here!", is a reference to MentalTimeTravel sequences in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII'' in which Ellone sent Squall's consciousness back in time to ride along in Laguna's mind and observe past events. Whenever this happened, Laguna received the benefit of Squall's Guardian Force junction and [=SeeD=] training; unaware of the true cause, he and his friends attributed it to faeries. So what's going on in Laguna's EX Mode? Like the rest of the 13th cycle's heroes, Squall spends most of 012 "sleeping" after being defeated by Kain -- from which state he once again lends his strength to Laguna.
* The entry under HarsherInHindsight is actually a case of ShownTheirWork, as Tidus pretty much acted as an ungrateful little bastard towards Jecht, demonizing his father and ignoring any positive interpretations of his actions in X. It's heavily implied during a conversation with Yuna that this is how Tidus holds onto Jecht's memory. So, take that, subtract the rest of his memories, and it's a perfect characterization in Duodecism!

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* During his travels, the Warrior of Light encounters Sephiroth. He engages Sephiroth and fights him. After the Warrior of Light wins the duel, Sephiroth asks him why he fights, and the Warrior replies that it is for the Crystals and for the war to end. However, Sephiroth says that the [[BloodKnight Warrior fights for the thrill of it]], [[EvilCounterpart just as he does]]. The irony is, he's not far off. After going over the Reports you'll realize that the Warrior and Sephiroth have ''very'' similar backgrounds. [[NotSoDifferent Being created artificially by individuals who did not initially care about them. Created to be nohing but a living tool or weapon.]] One could say that they are opposite sides of the same coin (possibly more so than the ([[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Cloud/Sephiroth]] dynamic). Though Sephiroth was wrong about one thing, they are alike, and yet totally different. While Sephiroth does enjoy fighting, to the Warrior fighting is simply something he does, without malice or delight. Unlike Sephiroth the Warrior of Light never mocks his opponents nor rejoices in their suffering. To him war and fighting are not a game but rather a duty. In the end, the Warrior could have very easily have ended up like Sephiroth, and Sephiroth could have become a great hero like the Warrior. In the end it was thanks to the intervention of another party (Prishe in the case of the Warrior) that led the two down such different paths.

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* During his travels, the Warrior of Light encounters Sephiroth. He engages Sephiroth and fights him. After the Warrior of Light wins the duel, Sephiroth asks him why he fights, and the Warrior replies that it is for the Crystals and for the war to end. However, Sephiroth says that the [[BloodKnight Warrior fights for the thrill of it]], [[EvilCounterpart just as he does]]. The irony is, he's not far off. After going over the Reports, you'll realize that the Warrior and Sephiroth have ''very'' similar backgrounds. [[NotSoDifferent Being created artificially by individuals who did not initially care about them. Created to be nothing but a living tool or weapon.]] One could say that they are opposite sides of the same coin (possibly more so than the ([[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Cloud/Sephiroth]] dynamic). Though Sephiroth was wrong about one thing; they are alike, and yet totally different. While Sephiroth does enjoy fighting, to the Warrior, fighting is simply something he does, without malice or delight. Unlike Sephiroth, the Warrior of Light never mocks his opponents nor rejoices in their suffering. To him, war and fighting are not a game, but rather a duty. In the end, the Warrior could have very easily have ended up like Sephiroth, and Sephiroth could have become a great hero like the Warrior. In the end, it was thanks to the intervention of another party (Prishe in the case of the Warrior) that led the two down such different paths.

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* During his travels, the Warrior of Light encounters Sephiroth. He engages Sephiroth and fights him. After the Warrior of Light wins the duel, Sephiroth asks him why he fights, and the Warrior replies that it is for the Crystals and for the war to end. However, Sephiroth says that the [[BloodKnight Warrior fights for the thrill of it]], [[EvilCounterpart just as he does]]. The irony is, he's not far off. After going over the Reports you'll realize that the Warrior and Sephiroth have ''very'' similar backgrounds. [[NotSoDifferent Being created artificially by individuals who did not initially care about them. Created to be nohing but a living tool or weapon.]] One could say that they are opposite sides of the same coin (possibly more so than the ([[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Cloud/Sephiroth]] dynamic). Though Sephiroth was wrong about one thing, they are alike, and yet totally diffirent. While Sephiroth does enjoy fighting, the Warrior fighting is simply something he does, without malice or delight. Unlike Sephiroth the Warrior of Light never mocks his opponents nor rejoices in their suffering. To him war and fighting are not a game but rather a duty. In the end, the Warrior could have very easily have ended up like Sephiroth, and Sephiroth could have become a great hero like the Warrior. In the end it was thanks to the intervention of another party (Prishe in the case of the Warrior) that led the two down such diffirent paths.

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* During his travels, the Warrior of Light encounters Sephiroth. He engages Sephiroth and fights him. After the Warrior of Light wins the duel, Sephiroth asks him why he fights, and the Warrior replies that it is for the Crystals and for the war to end. However, Sephiroth says that the [[BloodKnight Warrior fights for the thrill of it]], [[EvilCounterpart just as he does]]. The irony is, he's not far off. After goeing over the Reports you'll realize that the Warrior and Sephiroth have ''very'' similar backgrounds. [[NotSoDifferent Being created artificially by individuals who did not initially care about them. Created to be nohing but a living tool or weapon.]] One could say that they are opposite sides of the same coin (possibly more so than the ([[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Cloud/Sephiroth]] dynamic). Though Sephiroth was wrong about one thing, they are alike, and yet totally diffirent. While Sephiroth does enjoy fighting, the Warrior fighting is simply something he does, without malice or delight. Unlike Sephiroth the Warrior of Light never mocks his opponents nor rejoices in their suffering. To him war and fighting are not a game but rather a duty. In the end, the Warrior could have very easily have ended up like Sephiroth, and Sephiroth could have become a great hero like the Warrior. In the end it was thanks to the intervention of another party (Prishe in the case of the Warrior) that led the two down such diffirent paths.

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* During his travels, the Warrior of Light encounters Sephiroth. He engages Sephiroth and fights him. After the Warrior of Light wins the duel, Sephiroth asks him why he fights, and the Warrior replies that it is for the Crystals and for the war to end. However, Sephiroth says that the [[BloodKnight Warrior fights for the thrill of it]], [[EvilCounterpart just as he does]]. The irony is, he's not far off. After going over the Reports you'll realize that the Warrior and Sephiroth have ''very'' similar backgrounds. [[NotSoDifferent Being created artificially by individuals who did not initially care about them. Created to be nohing but a living tool or weapon.]] One could say that they are opposite sides of the same coin (possibly more so than the ([[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Cloud/Sephiroth]] dynamic). Though Sephiroth was wrong about one thing, they are alike, and yet totally diffirent. While Sephiroth does enjoy fighting, the Warrior fighting is simply something he does, without malice or delight. Unlike Sephiroth the Warrior of Light never mocks his opponents nor rejoices in their suffering. To him war and fighting are not a game but rather a duty. In the end, the Warrior could have very easily have ended up like Sephiroth, and Sephiroth could have become a great hero like the Warrior. In the end it was thanks to the intervention of another party (Prishe in the case of the Warrior) that led the two down such diffirent paths.

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* During his travels, the Warrior of Light encounters Sephiroth. He engages Sephiroth and fights him. After the Warrior of Light wins the duel, Sephiroth asks him why he fights, and the Warrior replies that it is for the Crystals and for the war to end. However, Sephiroth says that the [[BloodKnight Warrior fights for the thrill of it]], [[EvilCounterpart just as he does]]. The irony is, he's not far off. The Reports you'll realize that the Warrior and Sephiroth have ''very'' similar backgrounds. [[NotSoDifferent Being created artificially by individuals who did not initially care about them. Created to be nohing but a living tool or weapon.]] One could say that they are opposite sides of the same coin (possibly more so than the ([[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Cloud/Sephiroth]] dynamic). Though Sephiroth was wrong about one thing, they are alike, and yet totally diffirent. While Sephiroth does enjoy fighting, the Warrior fighting is simply something he does, without malice or delight. Unlike Sephiroth the Warrior of Light never mocks his opponents nor rejoices in their suffering. To him war and fighting are not a game but rather a duty. In the end, the Warrior could have very easily have ended up like Sephiroth, and Sephiroth could have become a great hero like the Warrior. In the end it was thanks to the intervention of another party (Prishe in the case of the Warrior) that led the two down such diffirent paths.

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* During his travels, the Warrior of Light encounters Sephiroth. He engages Sephiroth and fights him. After the Warrior of Light wins the duel, Sephiroth asks him why he fights, and the Warrior replies that it is for the Crystals and for the war to end. However, Sephiroth says that the [[BloodKnight Warrior fights for the thrill of it]], [[EvilCounterpart just as he does]]. The irony is, he's not far off. After goeing over the Reports you'll realize that the Warrior and Sephiroth have ''very'' similar backgrounds. [[NotSoDifferent Being created artificially by individuals who did not initially care about them. Created to be nohing but a living tool or weapon.]] One could say that they are opposite sides of the same coin (possibly more so than the ([[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Cloud/Sephiroth]] dynamic). Though Sephiroth was wrong about one thing, they are alike, and yet totally diffirent. While Sephiroth does enjoy fighting, the Warrior fighting is simply something he does, without malice or delight. Unlike Sephiroth the Warrior of Light never mocks his opponents nor rejoices in their suffering. To him war and fighting are not a game but rather a duty. In the end, the Warrior could have very easily have ended up like Sephiroth, and Sephiroth could have become a great hero like the Warrior. In the end it was thanks to the intervention of another party (Prishe in the case of the Warrior) that led the two down such diffirent paths.

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* During his travels, the Warrior of Light encounters Sephiroth. He engages Sephiroth and fights him. After the Warrior of Light wins the duel, Sephiroth asks him why he fights, and the Warrior replies that it is for the Crystals and for the war to end. However, Sephiroth says that the [[BloodKnight Warrior fights for the thrill of it]], [[EvilCounterpart just as he does]]. The irony is, he's not far off. The Reports you'll realize that the Warrior and Sephiroth have ''very'' similar backgrounds. [[NotSoDifferent Being created artificially by individuals who did not initially care about them. Created to be nohing but a living tool or weapon.]] One could say that they are opposite sides of the same coin (possibly more so than the Cloud/Sephiroth dynamic). Though Sephiroth was wrong about one thing, they are alike, and yet totally diffirent. While Sephiroth does enjoy fighting, the Warrior fighting is simply something he does, without malice or delight. Unlike Sephiroth the Warrior of Light never mocks his opponents nor rejoices in their suffering. To him war and fighting are not a game but rather a duty. In the end, the Warrior could have very easily have ended up like Sephiroth, and Sephiroth could have become a great hero like the Warrior. In the end it was thanks to the intervention of another party (Prishe in the case of the Warrior) that led the two down such diffirent paths.

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* During his travels, the Warrior of Light encounters Sephiroth. He engages Sephiroth and fights him. After the Warrior of Light wins the duel, Sephiroth asks him why he fights, and the Warrior replies that it is for the Crystals and for the war to end. However, Sephiroth says that the [[BloodKnight Warrior fights for the thrill of it]], [[EvilCounterpart just as he does]]. The irony is, he's not far off. The Reports you'll realize that the Warrior and Sephiroth have ''very'' similar backgrounds. [[NotSoDifferent Being created artificially by individuals who did not initially care about them. Created to be nohing but a living tool or weapon.]] One could say that they are opposite sides of the same coin (possibly more so than the ([[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Cloud/Sephiroth]] dynamic). Though Sephiroth was wrong about one thing, they are alike, and yet totally diffirent. While Sephiroth does enjoy fighting, the Warrior fighting is simply something he does, without malice or delight. Unlike Sephiroth the Warrior of Light never mocks his opponents nor rejoices in their suffering. To him war and fighting are not a game but rather a duty. In the end, the Warrior could have very easily have ended up like Sephiroth, and Sephiroth could have become a great hero like the Warrior. In the end it was thanks to the intervention of another party (Prishe in the case of the Warrior) that led the two down such diffirent paths.

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* During his travels, the Warrior of Light encounters Sephiroth. He engages Sephiroth and fights him. After the Warrior of Light wins the duel, Sephiroth asks him why he fights, and the Warrior replies that it is for the Crystals and for the war to end. However, Sephiroth says that the [[BloodKNight Warrior fights for the thrill of it]], [[EvilCounterpart just as he does]]. The irony is, he's not far off. The Reports you'll realize that the Warrior and Sephiroth have ''very'' similar backgrounds. [[NotSoDifferent Being created artificially by individuals who did not initially care about them. Created to be nohing but a living tool or weapon.]] One could say that they are opposite sides of the same coin (possibly more so than the Cloud/Sephiroth dynamic). Though Sephiroth was wrong about one thing, they are alike, and yet totally diffirent. While Sephiroth does enjoy fighting, the Warrior fighting is simply something he does, without malice or delight. Unlike Sephiroth the Warrior of Light never mocks his opponents nor rejoices in their suffering. To him war and fighting are not a game but rather a duty. In the end, the Warrior could have very easily have ended up like Sephiroth, and Sephiroth could have become a great hero like the Warrior. In the end it was thanks to the intervention of another party (Prishe in the case of the Warrior) that led the two down such diffirent paths.

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* During his travels, the Warrior of Light encounters Sephiroth. He engages Sephiroth and fights him. After the Warrior of Light wins the duel, Sephiroth asks him why he fights, and the Warrior replies that it is for the Crystals and for the war to end. However, Sephiroth says that the [[BloodKnight Warrior fights for the thrill of it]], [[EvilCounterpart just as he does]]. The irony is, he's not far off. The Reports you'll realize that the Warrior and Sephiroth have ''very'' similar backgrounds. [[NotSoDifferent Being created artificially by individuals who did not initially care about them. Created to be nohing but a living tool or weapon.]] One could say that they are opposite sides of the same coin (possibly more so than the Cloud/Sephiroth dynamic). Though Sephiroth was wrong about one thing, they are alike, and yet totally diffirent. While Sephiroth does enjoy fighting, the Warrior fighting is simply something he does, without malice or delight. Unlike Sephiroth the Warrior of Light never mocks his opponents nor rejoices in their suffering. To him war and fighting are not a game but rather a duty. In the end, the Warrior could have very easily have ended up like Sephiroth, and Sephiroth could have become a great hero like the Warrior. In the end it was thanks to the intervention of another party (Prishe in the case of the Warrior) that led the two down such diffirent paths.

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* During his travels, the Warrior of Light encounters Sephiroth. He engages Sephiroth and fights him. After the Warrior of Light wins the duel, Sephiroth asks him why he fights, and the Warrior replies that it is for the Crystals and for the war to end. However, Sephiroth says that the [[BloodKNight Warrior fights for the thrill of it, [[EvilCounterpart just as he does]]. The irony is, he's not far off. The Reports you'll realize that the Warrior and Sephiroth have ''very'' similar backgrounds. [[NotSoDifferent Being created artificially by individuals who did not initially care about them. Created to be nohing but a living tool or weapon.]] One could say that they are opposite sides of the same coin (possibly more so than the Cloud/Sephiroth dynamic). Though Sephiroth was wrong about one thing, they are alike, and yet totally diffirent. While Sephiroth does enjoy fighting, the Warrior fighting is simply something he does, without malice or delight. Unlike Sephiroth the Warrior of Light never mocks his opponents nor rejoices in their suffering. To him war and fighting are not a game but rather a duty. In the end, the Warrior could have very easily have ended up like Sephiroth, and Sephiroth could have become a great hero like the Warrior. In the end it was thanks to the intervention of another party (Prishe in the case of the Warrior) that led the two down such diffirent paths.

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* During his travels, the Warrior of Light encounters Sephiroth. He engages Sephiroth and fights him. After the Warrior of Light wins the duel, Sephiroth asks him why he fights, and the Warrior replies that it is for the Crystals and for the war to end. However, Sephiroth says that the [[BloodKNight Warrior fights for the thrill of it]], [[EvilCounterpart just as he does]]. The irony is, he's not far off. The Reports you'll realize that the Warrior and Sephiroth have ''very'' similar backgrounds. [[NotSoDifferent Being created artificially by individuals who did not initially care about them. Created to be nohing but a living tool or weapon.]] One could say that they are opposite sides of the same coin (possibly more so than the Cloud/Sephiroth dynamic). Though Sephiroth was wrong about one thing, they are alike, and yet totally diffirent. While Sephiroth does enjoy fighting, the Warrior fighting is simply something he does, without malice or delight. Unlike Sephiroth the Warrior of Light never mocks his opponents nor rejoices in their suffering. To him war and fighting are not a game but rather a duty. In the end, the Warrior could have very easily have ended up like Sephiroth, and Sephiroth could have become a great hero like the Warrior. In the end it was thanks to the intervention of another party (Prishe in the case of the Warrior) that led the two down such diffirent paths.

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* During his travels, the Warrior of Light encounters Sephiroth. He engages Sephiroth and fights him. After the Warrior of Light wins the duel, Sephiroth asks him why he fights, and the Warrior replies that it is for the Crystals and for the war to end. However, Sephiroth says that the fighting will not end, and that the Warrior fights for the thrill of it, just as he does. The irony is, he's not far off. If your read all the Reports you'll realize that the Warrior and Sephiroth have ''very'' similar backgrounds. Being created artificially by individuals who did not initially care about them. Created to be nohing but a living tool or weapon. One could say that they are opposite sides of the same coin (possibly more so than the Cloud/Sephiroth dynamic). Though Sephiroth was wrong about one thing, they are alike, and yet totally diffirent. While Sephiroth does enjoy fighting, the Warrior fighting is simply something he does, without malice or delight. Unlike Sephiroth the Warrior of Light never mocks his opponents nor rejoices in their suffering. To him war and fighting are not a game but rather a duty. In the end, the Warrior could have very easily have ended up like Sephiroth, and Sephiroth could have become a great hero like the Warrior. In the end it was thanks to the intervention of another party (Prishe in the case of the Warrior) that lead the two down such diffirent paths.

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* During his travels, the Warrior of Light encounters Sephiroth. He engages Sephiroth and fights him. After the Warrior of Light wins the duel, Sephiroth asks him why he fights, and the Warrior replies that it is for the Crystals and for the war to end. However, Sephiroth says that the [[BloodKNight Warrior fights for the thrill of it, [[EvilCounterpart just as he does]]. The irony is, he's not far off. The Reports you'll realize that the Warrior and Sephiroth have ''very'' similar backgrounds. [[NotSoDifferent Being created artificially by individuals who did not initially care about them. Created to be nohing but a living tool or weapon.]] One could say that they are opposite sides of the same coin (possibly more so than the Cloud/Sephiroth dynamic). Though Sephiroth was wrong about one thing, they are alike, and yet totally diffirent. While Sephiroth does enjoy fighting, the Warrior fighting is simply something he does, without malice or delight. Unlike Sephiroth the Warrior of Light never mocks his opponents nor rejoices in their suffering. To him war and fighting are not a game but rather a duty. In the end, the Warrior could have very easily have ended up like Sephiroth, and Sephiroth could have become a great hero like the Warrior. In the end it was thanks to the intervention of another party (Prishe in the case of the Warrior) that led the two down such diffirent paths.

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