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* Why do so many {{Bonus Boss}}es from the second game reference ''Shin Megami Tensei II''? Both games have you defeat that world's Top God as the Final Boss.
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* Why do so many {{Bonus {{Optional Boss}}es from the second game reference ''Shin Megami Tensei II''? Both games have you defeat that world's Top God as the Final Boss.
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* Regarding the BonusBoss [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne Demi-Fiend]]: he's immune to all attack types, except for gun, earth, and almighty. Almighty can't be blocked by anything, anyway, but gun and earth can be explained if you remember that in ''Nocturne'', the strongest Magatama shields you from all attack types... but gun and earth attacks aren't available in that game.
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* Regarding the BonusBoss [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne Demi-Fiend]]: he's immune to all attack types, except for gun, earth, and almighty. Almighty can't be blocked by anything, anyway, but gun and earth can be explained if you remember that in ''Nocturne'', the strongest Magatama shields you from all attack types... but gun and earth attacks aren't available in that game.
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*** Another reason he uses Gaea Rage if you have Immunities, Repels, or Drains of any kind? What would '''you''' do in ''Nocturne'' upon meeting a random encounter with random resistances (or full resistances) and no vulnerabilities around the board, ''and possibly'' suffering CheckpointStarvation on top of that. You'd probably go "Fuck I haven't saved in an hour drop the most powerful spells I have those are minibosses. And the reason he doesn't go full throttle if you don't have those? Well, ''you'' wouldn't either if you didn't see the point.
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*** Another reason he uses Gaea Rage if you have Immunities, Repels, or Drains of any kind? What would '''you''' do in ''Nocturne'' upon meeting a random encounter with random resistances (or full resistances) and no vulnerabilities around the board, ''and possibly'' suffering CheckpointStarvation on top of that. You'd probably go "Fuck I haven't saved in an hour drop the most powerful spells I have those are minibosses. And the reason he doesn't go full throttle if you don't have those? Well, ''you'' wouldn't either if you didn't see the point.
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* Considering that the faction leaders from the first game and Meganada's Solar Data was sent to the Sun but not any of the other bosses, it's likely that they were KilledOffForReal.
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* Considering that the faction leaders from the first game and Meganada's Solar Data was sent to the Sun but not any of the other bosses, it's likely that they were KilledOffForReal. Or at the very least have ''already'' been broken down without enough coherence for you to encounter them.
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*** Another reason he uses Gaea Rage if you have Immunities, Repels, or Drains of any kind? What would '''you''' do in ''Nocturne'' upon meeting a random encounter with random resistances (or full resistances) and no vulnerabilities around the board, ''and possibly'' suffering CheckpointStarvation on top of that. You'd probably go "Fuck I haven't saved in an hour drop the most powerful spells I have those are minibosses. And the reason he doesn't go full throttle if you don't have those? Well, ''you'' wouldn't either if you didn't see the point.
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* Someone on the Website/SomethingAwful Forums [[https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=1&threadid=3660272&perpage=40&pagenumber=10#post436483029 said]]: "I think it makes perfect sense for the bosses in the final area to be...pushovers. Remember who's sending them after the party at the moment? Sera. Yeah. Someone who doesn't ''want'' to kill them, just stop them. Unfortunately, nothing short of death ''can'' stop them at this point."
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!! Digital Devil Saga
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!! Digital ''Digital Devil SagaSaga''
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* Regarding the BonusBoss [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne Demi-Fiend]]: he's immune to all attack types, except for gun, earth, and almighty. Almighty can't be blocked by anything, anyway, but gun and earth can be explained if you remember that in Nocturne, the strongest Magatama shields you from all attack types... but gun and earth attacks aren't available in that game.
** FridgeLogic kinda kicks in from a canonical perspective when the [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne Demi-Fiend]] could potentially nullify [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry Dante's]] gunshots in Nocturne. Though it could just be because the developers didn't think to create a separate type of attack in that game, if you're looking at it from the gameplay mechanics.
*** in DMC canon it's stated that Dante makes his bullets via magic so there's some justification.
** FridgeLogic kinda kicks in from a canonical perspective when the [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne Demi-Fiend]] could potentially nullify [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry Dante's]] gunshots in Nocturne. Though it could just be because the developers didn't think to create a separate type of attack in that game, if you're looking at it from the gameplay mechanics.
*** in DMC canon it's stated that Dante makes his bullets via magic so there's some justification.
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* Regarding the BonusBoss [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne Demi-Fiend]]: he's immune to all attack types, except for gun, earth, and almighty. Almighty can't be blocked by anything, anyway, but gun and earth can be explained if you remember that in Nocturne, ''Nocturne'', the strongest Magatama shields you from all attack types... but gun and earth attacks aren't available in that game.
** FridgeLogic kinda kicks in from a canonical perspective when the [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne Demi-Fiend]] could potentially nullify [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry Dante's]] gunshots inNocturne.''Nocturne''. Though it could just be because the developers didn't think to create a separate type of attack in that game, if you're looking at it from the gameplay mechanics.
***in DMC In ''DMC'' canon it's stated that Dante makes his bullets via magic so there's some justification.
** FridgeLogic kinda kicks in from a canonical perspective when the [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne Demi-Fiend]] could potentially nullify [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry Dante's]] gunshots in
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*** But in a twist of FridgeBrilliance, if you beat him, you're basically like any given late game encounter in Nocturne anyway. In other words, the Embryon is a squad of playable DemonicSpiders.
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*** But in a twist of FridgeBrilliance, if you beat him, you're basically like any given late game encounter in Nocturne ''Nocturne'' anyway. In other words, the Embryon is a squad of playable DemonicSpiders.
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!! Digital ''Digital Devil Saga 22''
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!! Digital Devil Saga 2
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!! Digital ''Digital Devil Saga 22''
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* During the fight with Brahman, it's likely that the player noticed that the prayer wheel on it's head resembles the Amala Drums from Shin Megami Tensei III: Lucifer's Call. It's actually a good thing that Brahman never tries to summon versions of the Demifiend otherwise the fight would've ended ''very'' [[TotalPartyKill differently.]]
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* During the fight with Brahman, it's likely that the player noticed that the prayer wheel on it's its head resembles the Amala Drums from Shin ''Shin Megami Tensei III: Lucifer's Call.Nocturne''. It's actually a good thing that Brahman never tries to summon versions of the Demifiend otherwise the fight would've ended ''very'' [[TotalPartyKill differently.]]
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* Once you learn that the Junkyard was Sera's virtual paradise, a lot of things (such as the ship that you blow up) from the first game are [[FunnyAneurysmMoment really dark when you go back and play it again]].
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* Once you learn that the Junkyard was Sera's virtual paradise, a lot of things (such as the ship that you blow up) from the first game are [[FunnyAneurysmMoment [[HarsherInHindsight really dark when you go back and play it again]].
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*** Another twist of FridgeBrilliance, thanks to Wiki/TheOtherWiki: the one game where you are the demons (haha) rather than the demons being {{Mon}}s, so the one game where you look like RandomEncounters, and also the only game.
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*** Another twist of FridgeBrilliance, thanks to Wiki/TheOtherWiki: Website/TheOtherWiki: the one game where you are the demons (haha) rather than the demons being {{Mon}}s, so the one game where you look like RandomEncounters, and also the only game.
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* Beelzebub and his guards are sealed behind a red wall in the first game, so why didn't those guards die of starvation by the time Serph and co reach them? Some of the Mooks outside claim that a seemingly infinite number of rookies seem to spawn from the base, and more appear no matter how many they devour. Given that the whole Junkyard is a computer program, there might just be a spawn area.
* Both Harley and Mick the Slug are both [[DirtyCoward cowards]], but why did Mick manage to stay calm when Harley completely lost his head? Judging by the ex-Vanguard who says that Beelzebub had guards before the Red Wall sealed them off, and the fact that that wall will be there on the first visit, the Embryon visited the Vanguards shortly after Beelzebub went berserk. Harley's had a really bad day before the Embryon even showed up on his doorstep; the ''other'' monsters who ate his men are just the icing on the cake after one of his own men ate his subordinates.
* Both Harley and Mick the Slug are both [[DirtyCoward cowards]], but why did Mick manage to stay calm when Harley completely lost his head? Judging by the ex-Vanguard who says that Beelzebub had guards before the Red Wall sealed them off, and the fact that that wall will be there on the first visit, the Embryon visited the Vanguards shortly after Beelzebub went berserk. Harley's had a really bad day before the Embryon even showed up on his doorstep; the ''other'' monsters who ate his men are just the icing on the cake after one of his own men ate his subordinates.
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* Beelzebub and his guards are sealed behind a red wall in the first game, so why didn't those guards die of starvation by the time Serph and co reach them? Some of the Mooks outside claim that a seemingly infinite number of rookies seem to spawn from the base, and more appear no matter how many they devour. Given that the whole Junkyard is a computer program, there might just be a spawn area.
* Both Harley and Mick the Slug are both [[DirtyCoward cowards]], but why did Mick manage to stay calm when Harley completely lost his head? Judging by the ex-Vanguard who says that Beelzebub had guards before the Red Wall sealed them off, and the fact that that wall will be there on the first visit, the Embryon visited the Vanguards shortly after Beelzebub went berserk. Harley's had a really bad day before the Embryon even showed up on his doorstep; the ''other'' monsters who ate his men are just the icing on the cake after one of his own men ate his subordinates.
* Both Harley and Mick the Slug are both [[DirtyCoward cowards]], but why did Mick manage to stay calm when Harley completely lost his head? Judging by the ex-Vanguard who says that Beelzebub had guards before the Red Wall sealed them off, and the fact that that wall will be there on the first visit, the Embryon visited the Vanguards shortly after Beelzebub went berserk. Harley's had a really bad day before the Embryon even showed up on his doorstep; the ''other'' monsters who ate his men are just the icing on the cake after one of his own men ate his subordinates.
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* In the second game, the Karma Society soldiers have sealed away Indrajit/Meganada in a sort of stasis. It turns out to be one of the first people to have the Atma Virus tested upon. When were they sealed, what's to say they're not unconscious, and how hungry must they be?!
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* In the second game, the Karma Society soldiers have sealed away Indrajit/Meganada in a sort of stasis. It turns out to be one of the first people to have the Atma Virus tested upon. When were they sealed, what's to say they're not unconscious, and how hungry must they be?!be?!
* Considering that the faction leaders from the first game and Meganada's Solar Data was sent to the Sun but not any of the other bosses, it's likely that they were KilledOffForReal.
* During the fight with Brahman, it's likely that the player noticed that the prayer wheel on it's head resembles the Amala Drums from Shin Megami Tensei III: Lucifer's Call. It's actually a good thing that Brahman never tries to summon versions of the Demifiend otherwise the fight would've ended ''very'' [[TotalPartyKill differently.]]
* Considering that the faction leaders from the first game and Meganada's Solar Data was sent to the Sun but not any of the other bosses, it's likely that they were KilledOffForReal.
* During the fight with Brahman, it's likely that the player noticed that the prayer wheel on it's head resembles the Amala Drums from Shin Megami Tensei III: Lucifer's Call. It's actually a good thing that Brahman never tries to summon versions of the Demifiend otherwise the fight would've ended ''very'' [[TotalPartyKill differently.]]
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!! Digital Devil Saga 2
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* The fight with Real Varna and Fake Varna with each one referencing the evil and good sides of Serph Sheffield (from Sera's perspective) makes a lot of sense when you remember that Sera was a child and so would've have been able to reconcile Serph Sheffield's kindness to her with his true personality in an example of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology) splitting.]] The two are even rendered black and white respectively just to drive the point home.
** Furthermore, the player's Serph has a mostly grey colour scheme and his Varna is also grey, taking elements from both Fake and Real Varnas. This symbolizes that the Serph we see in the first game is a cohesive whole, seen in shades of grey rather than black or white and a sign of Sera's growth in the way she views the world.
** Furthermore, the player's Serph has a mostly grey colour scheme and his Varna is also grey, taking elements from both Fake and Real Varnas. This symbolizes that the Serph we see in the first game is a cohesive whole, seen in shades of grey rather than black or white and a sign of Sera's growth in the way she views the world.
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* The Embryon eats every random encounter. Including things like [[{{Squick}} Slimes]].
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* In the second game, the Karma Society soldiers have sealed away Indrajit/Meganada in a sort of stasis. It turns out to be one of the first people to have the Atma Virus tested upon. When were they sealed, what's to say they're not unconscious, and how hungry must they be?!
!! Digital Devil Saga 2
* In the second game, the Karma Society soldiers have sealed away Indrajit/Meganada in a sort of stasis. It turns out to be one of the first people to have the Atma Virus tested upon. When were they sealed, what's to say they're not unconscious, and how hungry must they be?!
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* If the Junkyard was pitched as an urban warfare simulator to sell to the military, why was it still running five years after the black sun made war obsolete? The Karma Society was using it to fight the Lokapala. They might not have gotten to the microchip stage yet, but it's still a good tactics simulator.
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* Once you learn that the Junkyard was Sera's virtual paradise]], a lot of things (such as the ship that you blow up) from the first game are [[FunnyAneurysmMoment really dark when you go back and play it again]].
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* Gale takes the longest of the Embryon to awaken to his emotions. This is because Gale's original self was also TheStoic, while the rest of the Embryon were much more emotional in life so they awoke quickly. This meant that there wasn't anywhere near as much of a jarring contrast between the Junkyard Gale pre-Virus and the post-Virus Gale to force those emotions to the surface as easily.
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* Once you learn that the Junkyard was Sera's virtual paradise]], a lot of things (such as the ship that you blow up) from the first game are [[FunnyAneurysmMoment really dark when you go back and play it again.
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* Once you learn that the Junkyard was Sera's virtual paradise]], a lot of things (such as the ship that you blow up) from the first game are [[FunnyAneurysmMoment really dark when you go back and play it again.again]].
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* Regarding the BonusBoss [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne Demi-Fiend]]: he's immune to all attack types, except for gun, earth, and almighty. Almighty can't be blocked by anything, anyway, but gun and earth can be explained if you remember that in Nocturne, the strongest Magatama shields you from all attack types... but gun and earth attacks aren't avaible in that game.]]
** FridgeLogic kinda kicks in from a canonical perspective when the [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne Demi-Fiend]] could potentially nullify [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry Dante's]] gunshots in Nocturne. Though it could just be because the developers didn't think to create a separate type of attack in that game, if you're looking at it from the gameplay mechanics.]]
*** [[spoiler: in DMC canon it's stated that Dante makes his bullets via magic so there's some justification. ]]
** Why does [[spoiler:the Demi-Fiend]] [[ThatOneBoss kick your ass so hard]]? Because he's [[spoiler:the protagonist of one of the most punishing games in the series. Makes sense that having him beat up a variety of {{ragequit}}-inducing bosses makes him one of the most devastating fighters in the entire series.]]
*** The battle themed used for his fight is [[spoiler:the standard ''Nocturne'' battle theme.]] He's treating the Embryon as [[spoiler:[[ButForMeItWasTuesday simply another random encounter]].]]
*** But in a twist of FridgeBrilliance, if you beat [[spoiler: him, you're basically like any given late game encounter in Nocturne anyway. In other words, the Embryon is a squad of playable DemonicSpiders.]]
** FridgeLogic kinda kicks in from a canonical perspective when the [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne Demi-Fiend]] could potentially nullify [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry Dante's]] gunshots in Nocturne. Though it could just be because the developers didn't think to create a separate type of attack in that game, if you're looking at it from the gameplay mechanics.]]
*** [[spoiler: in DMC canon it's stated that Dante makes his bullets via magic so there's some justification. ]]
** Why does [[spoiler:the Demi-Fiend]] [[ThatOneBoss kick your ass so hard]]? Because he's [[spoiler:the protagonist of one of the most punishing games in the series. Makes sense that having him beat up a variety of {{ragequit}}-inducing bosses makes him one of the most devastating fighters in the entire series.]]
*** The battle themed used for his fight is [[spoiler:the standard ''Nocturne'' battle theme.]] He's treating the Embryon as [[spoiler:[[ButForMeItWasTuesday simply another random encounter]].]]
*** But in a twist of FridgeBrilliance, if you beat [[spoiler: him, you're basically like any given late game encounter in Nocturne anyway. In other words, the Embryon is a squad of playable DemonicSpiders.]]
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* Regarding the BonusBoss [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne Demi-Fiend]]: he's immune to all attack types, except for gun, earth, and almighty. Almighty can't be blocked by anything, anyway, but gun and earth can be explained if you remember that in Nocturne, the strongest Magatama shields you from all attack types... but gun and earth attacks aren't avaible available in that game.]]
game.
** FridgeLogic kinda kicks in from a canonical perspective when the[[spoiler: [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne Demi-Fiend]] could potentially nullify [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry Dante's]] gunshots in Nocturne. Though it could just be because the developers didn't think to create a separate type of attack in that game, if you're looking at it from the gameplay mechanics.]]
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***[[spoiler: in DMC canon it's stated that Dante makes his bullets via magic so there's some justification. ]]
justification.
** Why does[[spoiler:the Demi-Fiend]] the Demi-Fiend [[ThatOneBoss kick your ass so hard]]? Because he's [[spoiler:the the protagonist of one of the most punishing games in the series. Makes sense that having him beat up a variety of {{ragequit}}-inducing bosses makes him one of the most devastating fighters in the entire series.]]
series.
*** The battle themed used for his fight is[[spoiler:the the standard ''Nocturne'' battle theme.]] theme. He's treating the Embryon as [[spoiler:[[ButForMeItWasTuesday [[ButForMeItWasTuesday simply another random encounter]].]]
encounter]].
*** But in a twist of FridgeBrilliance, if youbeat [[spoiler: beat him, you're basically like any given late game encounter in Nocturne anyway. In other words, the Embryon is a squad of playable DemonicSpiders.]]
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* Argilla makes for one of the best healers in the game [[spoiler: because her real self was a nurse.]]
** Similarly, [[spoiler:Heat O'Brien]], the GuestStarPartyMember has more healing skills than any other type of skill, despite being [[spoiler:the real self of the Embryon's muscle]] [[note]] He has one magic attack skill, two physical attack skills, two physical boost skills, and three healing skills [[/note]]. From a Doylist perspective, it's because he has to [[spoiler:carry Serph though the fight]], but from a Watsonian perspective, it's because [[spoiler:he was a doctor]].
* Cells are so valuable in the first game for the Temple [[spoiler:because they are Karma technology intended to study the Junkyard's data.]]
* For some it can be seen as weird how [[spoiler: Embryon, Sera, and Angel are reincarnated as younger versions of themselves with more normal hair colours.]] Remember that data can also be recycled as well as deleted!
** Similarly, [[spoiler:Heat O'Brien]], the GuestStarPartyMember has more healing skills than any other type of skill, despite being [[spoiler:the real self of the Embryon's muscle]] [[note]] He has one magic attack skill, two physical attack skills, two physical boost skills, and three healing skills [[/note]]. From a Doylist perspective, it's because he has to [[spoiler:carry Serph though the fight]], but from a Watsonian perspective, it's because [[spoiler:he was a doctor]].
* Cells are so valuable in the first game for the Temple [[spoiler:because they are Karma technology intended to study the Junkyard's data.]]
* For some it can be seen as weird how [[spoiler: Embryon, Sera, and Angel are reincarnated as younger versions of themselves with more normal hair colours.]] Remember that data can also be recycled as well as deleted!
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** Similarly,[[spoiler:Heat O'Brien]], Heat O'Brien, the GuestStarPartyMember has more healing skills than any other type of skill, despite being [[spoiler:the the real self of the Embryon's muscle]] muscle [[note]] He has one magic attack skill, two physical attack skills, two physical boost skills, and three healing skills [[/note]]. From a Doylist perspective, it's because he has to [[spoiler:carry carry Serph though the fight]], fight, but from a Watsonian perspective, it's because [[spoiler:he he was a doctor]].
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* Cells are so valuable in the first game for the Temple[[spoiler:because because they are Karma technology intended to study the Junkyard's data.]]
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* [[spoiler:Serph from Junkyard is nothing like the real Serph. Data Serph's lack of personality reflects Sera's lack of understanding of who Serph [[ManipulativeBastard really was]].]]
* Why do so many {{Bonus Boss}}es from the second game reference ''Shin Megami Tensei II''? [[spoiler:Both games have you defeat that world's Top God as the Final Boss]].
* While it does make sense that a beach [[spoiler:is a part of Sera's virtual paradise to begin with, it makes even more sense when you know that Cielo was her friend. Cielo is from Jamaica, which is known for its beaches.]]
* Why do so many {{Bonus Boss}}es from the second game reference ''Shin Megami Tensei II''? [[spoiler:Both games have you defeat that world's Top God as the Final Boss]].
* While it does make sense that a beach [[spoiler:is a part of Sera's virtual paradise to begin with, it makes even more sense when you know that Cielo was her friend. Cielo is from Jamaica, which is known for its beaches.]]
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* Gale's Atma is named Twister. Angel's is named Maelstrom. [[spoiler:Both are vortexes in the air and water respectively, hinting at their link as former lovers.]]
* Cielo is weak to ailments. [[spoiler:It's implied that the original Cielo went insane and died before experimentation. He's weak to poison because he was drugged, mind ailments because he went insane, etc.]]
* The Demon Virus doesn't really act like TheVirus; the victims of the carriers aren't infected. [[spoiler:That's because it's not a biological virus. It's a computer virus; Roland and the unnamed Lokapala member were infected by being exposed to a computer.]]
* Cielo is weak to ailments. [[spoiler:It's implied that the original Cielo went insane and died before experimentation. He's weak to poison because he was drugged, mind ailments because he went insane, etc.]]
* The Demon Virus doesn't really act like TheVirus; the victims of the carriers aren't infected. [[spoiler:That's because it's not a biological virus. It's a computer virus; Roland and the unnamed Lokapala member were infected by being exposed to a computer.]]
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* Gale's Atma is named Twister. Angel's is named Maelstrom. [[spoiler:Both Both are vortexes in the air and water respectively, hinting at their link as former lovers.]]
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* Cielo is weak to ailments.[[spoiler:It's It's implied that the original Cielo went insane and died before experimentation. He's weak to poison because he was drugged, mind ailments because he went insane, etc.]]
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* The Demon Virus doesn't really act like TheVirus; the victims of the carriers aren't infected.[[spoiler:That's That's because it's not a biological virus. It's a computer virus; Roland and the unnamed Lokapala member were infected by being exposed to a computer.]]
* Cielo is weak to ailments.
* The Demon Virus doesn't really act like TheVirus; the victims of the carriers aren't infected.
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* In the second game, the Karma Society soldiers have sealed away Indrajit/Meganada in a sort of stasis. [[spoiler: It turns out to be one of the first people to have the Atma Virus tested upon.]] When were they sealed, what's to say they're not unconscious, and how hungry must they be?!
* Once you learn that [[spoiler: the Junkyard was Sera's virtual paradise]], a lot of things (such as the ship that you blow up) from the first game are [[FunnyAneurysmMoment really dark when you go back and play it again.]]
* Once you learn that [[spoiler: the Junkyard was Sera's virtual paradise]], a lot of things (such as the ship that you blow up) from the first game are [[FunnyAneurysmMoment really dark when you go back and play it again.]]
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* In the second game, the Karma Society soldiers have sealed away Indrajit/Meganada in a sort of stasis. [[spoiler: It turns out to be one of the first people to have the Atma Virus tested upon.]] upon. When were they sealed, what's to say they're not unconscious, and how hungry must they be?!
* Once you learn that[[spoiler: the Junkyard was Sera's virtual paradise]], a lot of things (such as the ship that you blow up) from the first game are [[FunnyAneurysmMoment really dark when you go back and play it again.]]
* Once you learn that
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* Why is Heat immune to ice attacks and able to cast ice abilities in his second boss fight? He and Serph both fell into the E.G.G. together.
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** FridgeLogic kinda kicks in from a canonical perspective when the [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne Demi-Fiend]] could potentially nullify [[Franchise/DevilMayCry Dante's]] gunshots in Nocturne. Though it could just be because the developers didn't think to create a separate type of attack in that game, if you're looking at it from the gameplay mechanics.]]
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** FridgeLogic kinda kicks in from a canonical perspective when the [[spoiler: [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne Demi-Fiend]] could potentially nullify [[Franchise/DevilMayCry [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry Dante's]] gunshots in Nocturne. Though it could just be because the developers didn't think to create a separate type of attack in that game, if you're looking at it from the gameplay mechanics.]]
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* The Demon Virus doesn't really act like TheVirus; the victims of the carriers aren't infected. [[spoiler:That's because it's not a biological virus. It's a computer virus; Roland and the unnamed Lokapala member were infected by being exposed to a computer.]]
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* Once you learn that [[spoiler: the Junkyard was Sera's virtual paradise]], a lot of things (such as the ship that you blow up) from the first game are [[FunnyAneurysmMoment really dark when you go back and play it again.]]
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* Once you learn that [[spoiler: the Junkyard was Sera's virtual paradise]], a lot of things (such as the ship that you blow up) from the first game are [[FunnyAneurysmMoment really dark when you go back and play it again.]]]]
* The Embryon eats every random encounter. Including things like [[{{Squick}} Slimes]].
* The Embryon eats every random encounter. Including things like [[{{Squick}} Slimes]].
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* Cielo is weak to ailments. [[spoiler:It's implied that the original Cielo went insane and died before experimentation. He's weak to poison because he was drugged, mind ailments because he went insane, etc.]]
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** Similarly, [[spoiler:Heat O'Brien]], the GuestStarPartyMember has more healing skills than any other type of skill, despite being [[spoiler:the real self of the Embryon's muscle]] [[note]] He has one magic attack skill, two physical attack skills, two physical boost skills, and three healing skills [[/note]]. From a Doylist perspective, it's because he has to [[spoiler:carry Serph though the fight]], but from a Watsonian perspective, it's because [[spoiler:he was a doctor]].
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* For some it can be seen as weird how [[spoiler: Embryon, Sera and Angel are reincarnated as younger versions of themselves with more normal hair colours.]] Remember that data can also be recycled as well as deleted!
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* For some it can be seen as weird how [[spoiler: Embryon, Sera Sera, and Angel are reincarnated as younger versions of themselves with more normal hair colours.]] Remember that data can also be recycled as well as deleted!
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* Gale's Atma is named Twister. Angel's is named Maelstrom. [[spoiler:Both are vortexes in the air and water respectively, hinting at their link as former lovers.]]
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* Beelzebub and his guards are sealed behind a red wall in the first game, so how are those guards still alive by the time Serph and co reach them? Some of the Mooks outside claim that a seemingly infinite number of rookies seem to spawn from the base, and more appear no matter how many they devour. [[spoiler:Given that the whole Junkyard is a computer program, there might just be a spawn area.]]
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* Beelzebub and his guards are sealed behind a red wall in the first game, so how are why didn't those guards still alive die of starvation by the time Serph and co reach them? Some of the Mooks outside claim that a seemingly infinite number of rookies seem to spawn from the base, and more appear no matter how many they devour. [[spoiler:Given that the whole Junkyard is a computer program, there might just be a spawn area.]]
* Both Harley and Mick the Slug are both [[DirtyCoward cowards]], but why did Mick manage to stay calm when Harley completely lost his head? Judging by the ex-Vanguard who says that Beelzebub had guards before the Red Wall sealed them off, and the fact that that wall will be there on the first visit, the Embryon visited the Vanguards shortly after Beelzebub went berserk. Harley's had a really bad day before the Embryon even showed up on his doorstep; the ''other'' monsters who ate his men are just the icing on the cake after one of his own men ate his subordinates.
* Both Harley and Mick the Slug are both [[DirtyCoward cowards]], but why did Mick manage to stay calm when Harley completely lost his head? Judging by the ex-Vanguard who says that Beelzebub had guards before the Red Wall sealed them off, and the fact that that wall will be there on the first visit, the Embryon visited the Vanguards shortly after Beelzebub went berserk. Harley's had a really bad day before the Embryon even showed up on his doorstep; the ''other'' monsters who ate his men are just the icing on the cake after one of his own men ate his subordinates.
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* Beelzebub and his guards are sealed behind a red wall in the first game, so how are those guards still alive by the time Serph and co reach them? Some of the Mooks outside claim that a seemingly infinite number of rookies seem to spawn from the base, and more appear no matter how many they devour. [[spoiler:Given that the whole Junkyard is a computer program, there might just be a spawn area.]]
