History Fridge / DeltoraQuest

21st May '16 11:30:33 AM SaintDeltora
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** On another note, think carefully about the Ols. Supposedly, there's various tests to see if the people you think are on your side are really Ols, primarily the three-day test. But this doesn't work for higher than Grade 2 Ols. At any slow moment when Leif has his guard down and thinks the Shadow Lord's threat is over, the Ols can sneak in, replace Jasmine or Barda, and kill him off in his sleep. In a deeper level, how can you trust ''anyone''? Even if they aren't Ols, the second plan of the Shadow Lord is mind control snakes. ''Anyone'' can be working for the Shadow Lord.

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** On another note, think carefully about the Ols. Supposedly, there's various tests to see if the people you think are on your side are really Ols, primarily the three-day test. But this doesn't work for higher than Grade 2 Ols. At any slow moment when Leif Lief has his guard down and thinks the Shadow Lord's threat is over, the Ols can sneak in, replace Jasmine or Barda, and kill him off in his sleep. In a deeper level, how can you trust ''anyone''? Even if they aren't Ols, the second plan of the Shadow Lord is mind control snakes. ''Anyone'' can be working for the Shadow Lord.
9th Apr '16 5:29:19 AM Chericola
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* At the very end of ''The Towers of Illica'', Sky gives Britta an odi hairclip for her to use to win the Rosalyn Trust competition (though he passes it off as a trade to fulfill the contest's requirements). The odi on the hairclip are arranged into a pattern meaning 'forever'. Britta also recalls text from A Trader's Life which state that odi ornaments are often prized as love-tokens because "their shells are so rare and their marvellous colour, '''blue as the eternal sky''', never fades". [[spoiler: This could be a blatant foreshadowing of romance between Sky and Britta.]]



* The extent of [[spoiler: Paff's miserable existence. She was one of the hundreds rescued from the Shadowlands, and returned home to… no family, no friends, nobody who actually liked or cared about her and a job with a fussy, hard to live with man who constantly compared her to his old assistant. Is it any wonder that she turned to the Shadow Lord? And even then it gets even more depressing, because he withdrew his powers from her at the last moment, leaving her to die alone.]]

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* The extent of [[spoiler: Paff's miserable existence. She was one of the hundreds rescued from the Shadowlands, and returned home to… no family, no friends, nobody who actually liked or cared about her and a job with a fussy, hard to live with man who constantly compared her to his old assistant. Is it any wonder that she turned to the Shadow Lord? And even then it gets even more depressing, because he withdrew his powers from her at the last moment, leaving her to die alone.]]]]
* In ''The Towers of Illica'', when Britta collapses in the Blind Tower Sky catches her and apologises to her for not realising that she'd never seen a dead body before. Since Sky isn't shocked or horrified by the sight, it can be assumed that Sky has already seen a lot of death during his childhood near the River Broad. Just how many people did he see starving to death, or dying of illness?
9th Apr '16 5:16:45 AM Chericola
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* (Also doubles as Fridge Horror) Throughout the series it often states that the characters, Leif in particular, cannot look away from a horrifying sight. At first, this seems like nothing more than shock. Then, you read the eighth book, and about the Place of Punishment, where executions and tortures are carried out, while the rest of the population, including babies, are forced to watch under threat of death. The reason why the Leif doesn't look away is not out of shock, but because he has been conditioned since birth to watch.

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* (Also doubles as Fridge Horror) Throughout the series it often states that the characters, Leif Lief in particular, cannot look away from a horrifying sight. At first, this seems like nothing more than shock. Then, you read the eighth book, and about the Place of Punishment, where executions and tortures are carried out, while the rest of the population, including babies, are forced to watch under threat of death. The reason why the Leif Lief doesn't look away is not out of shock, but because he has been conditioned since birth to watch.



* The extent of [[spoiler: Paff's miserable existence. She was one of the hundreds rescued from the Shadowlands, and returned home to… no family, no friends, nobody who actually liked or cared about her and a job with a fussy, hard to live with man who constantly compared her to his old assistant. Is it any wonder that she turned to the Shadow Lord? And even then it gets even more depressing, because he withdrew his powers from her at the last moment, leaving her to die alone.]]

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* The extent of [[spoiler: Paff's miserable existence. She was one of the hundreds rescued from the Shadowlands, and returned home to… no family, no friends, nobody who actually liked or cared about her and a job with a fussy, hard to live with man who constantly compared her to his old assistant. Is it any wonder that she turned to the Shadow Lord? And even then it gets even more depressing, because he withdrew his powers from her at the last moment, leaving her to die alone.]]
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18th Feb '15 5:43:25 AM Chericola
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9th Feb '15 12:06:05 AM raptyr
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* (Also doubles as Fridge Horror) Throughout the series it often states that the characters, Leif in particular, cannot look away from a horrifying sight. At first, this seems like nothing more than shock. Then, you read the eighth book, and about the Place of Punishment, where executions and tortures are carried out, while the rest of the population, including babies, are forced to watch under threat of death. The reason why the Leif doesn't look away is not out of shock, but because he has been conditioned since birth to watch.
23rd Jan '15 8:57:24 PM Chericola
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*** In fact, consider the Ol which was impersonating Barda in Maze of the Beast. It could have quietly killed Lief and Jasmine anytime during those two days which they travelled together, even in their sleep. Luckily the Ol had orders to deceive rather than kill...




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20th Jan '15 2:57:33 PM Chericola
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* In The Deltora Book of Monsters it is revealed that [[spoiler: Josef hid the book The Belt of Deltora where he hoped someone would one day find it, namely Jarred or Endon.]] It is said that Jarred started it all, because he found the book and hid the royal family, but without Josef Jarred would not have been able to find and The Belt of Deltora at all, and thus come to realise as he did the dangers the Rule posed on the royal family and the safety of Deltora.
7th Jan '15 8:52:29 PM Chericola
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!Fridge Logic
* Did Jasmine's parents just never tell her their names?
** It's actually quite possible that they didn't, because if you're hiding in the woods, you wouldn't want to risk having a young child call out a name where anyone can hear it. So, if they only taught her to call them 'Mother' and 'Father,' it would both protect their identities in case she was captured by Grey Guards and keep her lineage a secret.
* If the tribal leaders of [[CircusOfFear the Masked Ones]] were actually [[spoiler:descended from the bloodline of Ballum, King Elstred's younger brother]], wouldn't that mean that [[spoiler:Bede is Lief's heir, and not Marilen]]? A possible explanation for this plothole is that [[spoiler:Ballum's line ended at some point, either through adoption or other means]], but that would utterly mess up the explanation for [[spoiler:why Bede looks like Lief]] in the first place!
*** Easy answer to that one - [[spoiler: Marilen is said to be only one of several identified living relatives of Lief's - and thus potential heirs. He picked her out, that's all.]]
**** Even Easier answer- [[spoiler: Marilen is said to be the decendent of Adin's second child out of five. This would place her far above the decendents of the last of Adin's children, and would make her second in line, especially if her mother is no longer alive. Due to lack of reference to her, that is something we can assume. So, in order for any of Ballum's decendents to become King/Queen, all the other decendents of all of Adin's other four children would have to die first.]]
*** Ballum's very existence causes problems, seeing as how it seems to contradict canon; [[spoiler:remember, the reason that Lief had such trouble finding an heir was that part of the Rule was that the current King or Queen would have one and only one child. Adin was supposedly the ''only'' one who had multiple kids, which is why Lief had to trace his bloodline all the way back to Adin's time, and then down the bloodlines of one of his 5 original children. If any of the kings or queens had multiple children with the blood of Adin, his job would have been a lot easier - but if they didn't, that means that King Elstred couldn't have had a younger brother.]]
**** King Elstred was the oldest of Adin's five children, and by chance he only had one child. Ballum is Adin's youngest child, who was [[spoiler: driven out of the castle by a rumor that he was planning on killing his older brother]]. So, Adin's second through fifth children had many children themselves, it was only the decendents of the first that had one. Because of this, Lief had to [[spoiler:track down the decendents of Adin's second child, which was Marilen, which allows the cannon to still be in place, for the Masked Ones would come up as heirs to the throne, but a lot of people whould have to die before they could take over.]]
** King Elstred and Ballum are Adin's grandsons, not his sons. Elstred and his daughter Adina started the tradition of the single heir. As for why Marilen was picked and not Bede? Yes, Bede is still technically closer in line, but the Masked Ones have hidden their relationship to the throne for centuries. Ballum's bloodline was probably thought extinct or untraceable. One final point: Lore says it must be worn by an heir of Adin. Not that the heir must be next in line. Presumably the Belt could jump around between heirs depending on circumstances, availability, and capacity to rule.
*** It is also possible that, while Ballum's descendants may or may not be closer in line by blood than Marilen, their exile and subsequent vendetta against the royal family has revoked their inheretence to the Throne and the Belt. It is stated in canon that the Belt and Lief's mask are opposing forces, so the Belt may well reject any of Ballum's ancestors, royal blood or no.
** Why on EARTH didn't Sharn and Endon [[spoiler:have more than one kid? If you have to have a blood heir to make your {{Macguffin}} work, ideally wouldn't you want as many as possible?]]
*** Covered in canon. It was a "custom" propagated by {{evil chancellor}}s .
**** I think they mean why didn't Endon and Sharn have more children ''after'' learning that the Rule was bogus. Well, there are several possible reasons. (1) Simply not wanting another child. (2) Not being able to afford supporting another child on the modest living they were making from Endon's smithery. (3) Not wanting to bring more children into a world dominated by the Shadow Lord (they had conceived Lief while still blissfully unaware). (4) Not realizing that it doesn't have to be the first descendant in line in order to use the Belt. Actually, I don't think that ''was'' common knowledge, was it?
***** Also... If you're going to send that child on a round-the-country trip where EverythingIsTryingToKillYou, you'd think a backup plan would be warranted, non? The reasons in the above entry do still hold, though.
21st Dec '14 4:56:46 PM TheGreatSkrond
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* The behavior of the different Pirran tribes is consistent with the kind of music they liked. The Plumes, who liked brave and glorious music, were willing to stake everything on letting the companions try to kill the Fear. The Aurons, who liked the beautiful and rich music, had a schism over the meaning of beauty in their changed circumstances, and many of them shut themselves in a magic dome to uphold their ideal of beauty, rather than face reality. The Kerons...well, it works for the first two, anyway, and they didn't spend much time around the Kerons in any case.
23rd Sep '14 8:06:25 PM Tanglemorph
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* In the original series, The Shadow Lord's minions The Grey Guards are everywhere. In the supplemental materials, the Grey Guards have been replaced by the golem-like Greers instead.
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