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** Champion Gundyr's soul states that he was too late in coming to Firelink Shrine to actually be the Chosen Undead/Ashen One of his cycle. His equipment says that he was bested by an unknown warrior, and so ended up being the sheath for Firelink's coiled sword. [[spoiler: Looks like the Ashen One is now a part of [[StableTimeLoop a time loop]], which can only mean great things for New Game Plus]].

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** Champion Gundyr's soul states that he was too late in coming to Firelink Shrine to actually be the Chosen Undead/Ashen One of his cycle. His equipment says that he was bested by an unknown warrior, and so ended up being the sheath for Firelink's coiled sword. [[spoiler: Looks like the Ashen One is now a part of [[StableTimeLoop a time loop]], which can only mean great things for New Game Plus]].Plus]].
* Prince Lothric's backstory establishes that one can be ''forced'' to link the First Flame. While the trials involved would make it hard for the unwilling, one has to wonder how many people were forced into the Kiln and offered up as a sacrifice to prolong the Age of Fire against their will.
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***The Cleric set mentions that they wear covers on thier backs as to no become "seedbeds for spreading darkness". Maybe the rocks are budget versions of that?

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* Does anyone else notice, that Irithyll seems to be aesthetically similar to Yharnam? like the entire area seems to be a shoutout to BB, I conclude that it is a younger version, remember we never see Yharnam properly outside of the [[spoiler: Dream]], the conclusion? the [[spoiler: Usurp the Fire/End of Fire (don't know which) ending brings about the age of Dark]] Opening up the world to the [[spoiler: Old Ones]]
* If the Chessmaster entry on Ludleth's page is true, and [[spoiler:the untended graves is another version of the cemetery of ash... Did you just loot the Ashen Estus Ring off your own body?]]

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* Does anyone else notice, notice that Irithyll seems to be aesthetically similar to Yharnam? like Like the entire area seems to be a shoutout to BB, I conclude BB. This troper concludes that it is a younger version, version; remember that we never see Yharnam properly outside of the [[spoiler: Dream]], the Dream]]. The conclusion? the The [[spoiler: Usurp the Fire/End of Fire (don't know which) ending brings about the age of Dark]] Opening Dark]], which opens up the world to the [[spoiler: Old Ones]]
* If the Chessmaster entry on Ludleth's page is true, and [[spoiler:the untended graves Untended Graves is another version of the cemetery Cemetery of ash... Ash... Did you just loot the Ashen Estus Ring off your own body?]]body?]]
** Champion Gundyr's soul states that he was too late in coming to Firelink Shrine to actually be the Chosen Undead/Ashen One of his cycle. His equipment says that he was bested by an unknown warrior, and so ended up being the sheath for Firelink's coiled sword. [[spoiler: Looks like the Ashen One is now a part of [[StableTimeLoop a time loop]], which can only mean great things for New Game Plus]].
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* Aldrich stands out amongst the Lords of Cinder, and for more reasons than one. Aldrich was essentially the head of a religion worshipping him and a coming "age of the deep" [[spoiler: possibly the age of the dark]] and even his title was "Saint of the Deep". All these things considered, why would a being who obviously worshipped the dark become a Lord of Cinder, a being which acts opposite to that belief? Then it hit this troper; Aldrich was a monster who devoured men, women, and gods alike and relished in it. And if he also happened to bear the undead curse, then simply killing him wouldn't be rid of him. What better way to be rid of him (as well as giving the proverbial middle finger) than to force him to link the fire. After all, nobody ever said all the Lords of Cinder had to be willing.
** Furthermore supported with Prince Lothric, who explicitly states that he never wanted to be a lord of cinder in the first place. So not only nobody said the Lords of Cinderwere all willing, but we have an example of people who weren't.

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* Aldrich stands out amongst the Lords of Cinder, and for more reasons than one. Aldrich was essentially the head of a religion worshipping him and a coming "age "Age of the deep" The Deep", [[spoiler: which may possibly the age be actually The Age of the dark]] Dark,]] and even his title was "Saint of the Deep". All these things considered, why would a being who obviously worshipped the dark become a Lord of Cinder, a being which acts opposite to that belief? Then it hit this troper; Aldrich was a monster who devoured men, women, and gods alike and relished in it. And if he also happened to bear the undead curse, then simply killing him wouldn't be rid of him. What better way to be rid of him (as well as giving the proverbial middle finger) than to force him to link the fire. After all, nobody ever said all the Lords of Cinder had to be willing.
** Furthermore supported with Prince Lothric, who explicitly states that he never wanted to be a lord of cinder Cinder in the first place. So not only nobody said the Lords of Cinderwere Cinder were all willing, but we have an example of people who weren't.
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* Does anyone else notice, that Irithyll seems to be aesthetically similar to Yharnam? like the entire area seems to be a shoutout to BB, I conclude that it is a younger version, remember we never see Yharnam properly outside of the [[spoiler: Dream]], the conclusion? the [[spoiler: Usurp the Fire/End of Fire (don't know which) ending brings about the age of Dark]] Opening up the world to the [[spoiler: Old Ones]]

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* Does anyone else notice, that Irithyll seems to be aesthetically similar to Yharnam? like the entire area seems to be a shoutout to BB, I conclude that it is a younger version, remember we never see Yharnam properly outside of the [[spoiler: Dream]], the conclusion? the [[spoiler: Usurp the Fire/End of Fire (don't know which) ending brings about the age of Dark]] Opening up the world to the [[spoiler: Old Ones]]Ones]]
* If the Chessmaster entry on Ludleth's page is true, and [[spoiler:the untended graves is another version of the cemetery of ash... Did you just loot the Ashen Estus Ring off your own body?]]
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** Furthermore supported with Prince Lothric, who explicitly states taht he never wanted to be a lord of cinder in the first place. So not only nobody said the Lords of Cinderwere all willing, but we have an example of it.

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** Furthermore **Furthermore supported with Prince Lothric, who explicitly states taht that he never wanted to be a lord of cinder in the first place. So not only nobody said the Lords of Cinderwere all willing, but we have an example of it.people who weren't.
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**Furthermore supported with Prince Lothric, who explicitly states taht he never wanted to be a lord of cinder in the first place. So not only nobody said the Lords of Cinderwere all willing, but we have an example of it.
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* [[AmbiguousGender Anri's gender]], if the [[VideoGame/DarkSoulsII Transgender Coffin]] still existed somewhere offscreen, this might explain why Anri is always the opposite gender of you. ''[[AmbiguouslyBi God knows what they did to other Chosen Undeads]] before meeting you''.

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* [[AmbiguousGender Anri's gender]], if the [[VideoGame/DarkSoulsII Transgender Coffin]] still existed somewhere offscreen, this might explain why Anri is always the opposite gender of you. ''[[AmbiguouslyBi God knows what they did to other Chosen Undeads]] before meeting you''.you''.
*Does anyone else notice, that Irithyll seems to be aesthetically similar to Yharnam? like the entire area seems to be a shoutout to BB, I conclude that it is a younger version, remember we never see Yharnam properly outside of the [[spoiler: Dream]], the conclusion? the [[spoiler: Usurp the Fire/End of Fire (don't know which) ending brings about the age of Dark]] Opening up the world to the [[spoiler: Old Ones]]
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* Aldrich stands out amongst the Lords of Cinder, and for more reasons than one. Aldrich was essentially the head of a religion worshipping him and a coming "age of the deep" [[spoiler: possibly the age of the dark]] and even his title was "Saint of the Deep". All these things considered, why would a being who obviously worshipped the dark become a Lord of Cinder, a being which acts opposite to that belief? Then it hit me. Aldrich was a monster who devoured men, women, and gods alike and relished in it. And if he also happened to bare the undead curse, then simply killing him wouldn't be rid of him. What better way to be rid of him (as well as giving the proverbial finger) than to force him to link the fire. After all, nobody ever said all the Lords of Cinder had to be willing.

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* Aldrich stands out amongst the Lords of Cinder, and for more reasons than one. Aldrich was essentially the head of a religion worshipping him and a coming "age of the deep" [[spoiler: possibly the age of the dark]] and even his title was "Saint of the Deep". All these things considered, why would a being who obviously worshipped the dark become a Lord of Cinder, a being which acts opposite to that belief? Then it hit me. this troper; Aldrich was a monster who devoured men, women, and gods alike and relished in it. And if he also happened to bare bear the undead curse, then simply killing him wouldn't be rid of him. What better way to be rid of him (as well as giving the proverbial middle finger) than to force him to link the fire. After all, nobody ever said all the Lords of Cinder had to be willing.
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* Aldrich stands out amongst the Lords of Cinder, and for more reasons than one. Aldrich was essentially the head of a religion worshipping him and a coming "age of the deep" [[spoiler: possibly the age of the dark]] and even his title was "Saint of the Deep". All these things considered, why would a being who obviously worshipped the dark become a Lord of Cinder, a being which acts opposite to that belief? Then it hit me. Aldrich was a monster who devoured men, women, and gods alike and relished in it. And if he also happened to bare the undead curse, then simply killing him wouldn't be rid of him. What better way to be rid of him (as well as giving the proverbial finger) than to force him to link the fire. After all, nobody ever said all the Lords of Cinder had to be willing.
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* [[AmbiguousGender Anri's gender]], if the [[VideoGame/DarkSoulsII Transgender Coffin]] still existed somewhere offscreen, this might explain why Anri is always the opposite gender of you. ''[[AmbiguouslyBi God knows what they did to other Ashen Ones]] before meeting you''.

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* [[AmbiguousGender Anri's gender]], if the [[VideoGame/DarkSoulsII Transgender Coffin]] still existed somewhere offscreen, this might explain why Anri is always the opposite gender of you. ''[[AmbiguouslyBi God knows what they did to other Ashen Ones]] Chosen Undeads]] before meeting you''.
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* [[AmbiguousGender Anri's gender]], if the Transgender Coffin still existed somewhere offscreen, this might explain why Anri is always the opposite gender of you. ''[[AmbiguouslyBi God knows what they did to other Ashen Ones]] before meeting you''.

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* [[AmbiguousGender Anri's gender]], if the [[VideoGame/DarkSoulsII Transgender Coffin Coffin]] still existed somewhere offscreen, this might explain why Anri is always the opposite gender of you. ''[[AmbiguouslyBi God knows what they did to other Ashen Ones]] before meeting you''.
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* So, you've just beaten the Old Demon King and you happened upon the Stray Demon earlier in the game and handily took care of it. Congratulations, [[YouBastard you just committed genocide]], as these two demons are supposedly the last of the Demons of Izalith that were born of the Chaos Flame which has now been extinguished. If that isn't bad enough for you, look around the Demon Ruins and the Old Demon King's arena sometime; it's littered with the corpses of his fallen kin, mostly Stray and Capra Demons.

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* So, you've just beaten the Old Demon King and you happened upon the Stray Demon earlier in the game and handily took care of it. Congratulations, [[YouBastard you just committed genocide]], as these two demons are supposedly the last of the Demons of Izalith that were born of the Chaos Flame which has now been extinguished. If that isn't bad enough for you, look around the Demon Ruins and the Old Demon King's arena sometime; it's littered with the corpses of his fallen kin, mostly Stray and Capra Demons.Demons.
* [[AmbiguousGender Anri's gender]], if the Transgender Coffin still existed somewhere offscreen, this might explain why Anri is always the opposite gender of you. ''[[AmbiguouslyBi God knows what they did to other Ashen Ones]] before meeting you''.
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** In addition to this, while it might seem random and completely out of the blue at first when Yuria mentions that she's chosen [[spoiler:Anri of Astora to be the Ashen One's spouse]], it actually makes a lot of sense when you think about it. [[spoiler:Anri is the only other person in the game besides the Ashen One who's both Unkindled ''and'' Undead (you absorb his/her Dark Sigils during your "marriage", after all). This means he/she also has the power to harness both the First Flame ''and'' the Dark Soul, which as mentioned above was discovered by Vendrick to be the key to breaking the cycle. And it can be seen in the ending cinematic that Anri was ressurected by the ritual, so contrary to popular belief, the "marriage" ceremony isn't simply just a defilement of their corpse. So if Anri and the Ashen One procreate and their children possess the same abilities, that means the cycle of the flame will never repeat itself and humanity is truly in control now. This also explains why Yuria is so insistent that the Ashen One ''must'' have a spouse first before attempting to usurp the flame.]] Basic genetics and survival of the fittest in play right there.

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** In addition to this, while it might seem random and completely out of the blue at first when Yuria mentions that she's chosen [[spoiler:Anri of Astora to be the Ashen One's spouse]], it actually makes a lot of sense when you think about it. [[spoiler:Anri is the only other person in the game besides the Ashen One who's both Unkindled ''and'' Undead (you absorb his/her Dark Sigils during your "marriage", after all). This means he/she also has the power to harness both the First Flame ''and'' the Dark Soul, which as mentioned above was discovered by Vendrick to be the key to breaking the cycle. And it can be seen in the ending cinematic that Anri was ressurected resurrected by the ritual, so contrary to popular belief, the "marriage" ceremony isn't simply just a defilement of their corpse. So if Anri and the Ashen One procreate and their children possess the same abilities, that means the cycle of the flame will never repeat itself and humanity is truly in control now. This also explains why Yuria is so insistent that the Ashen One ''must'' have a spouse first before attempting to usurp the flame.]] Basic genetics and survival of the fittest in play right there.
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** In addition to this, while it might seem random and completely out of the blue at first when Yuria mentions that she's chosen [[spoiler:Anri of Astora to be Ashen One's spouse]], it actually makes a lot of sense when you think about it. [[spoiler:Anri is the only other person in the game besides the Ashen One who's both Unkindled ''and'' Undead (you absorb his/her Dark Sigils during your "marriage", after all— five of them to be exact, the same number you received from Yoel). This means he/she has the power to harness both the First Flame ''and'' the Dark Soul, which as mentioned above was discovered by Vendrick to be the key to breaking the cycle. And it can be seen in the ending cinematic that Anri was ressurected by the ritual, so contrary to popular belief, the "marriage" ritual isn't simply just a defilement of their corpse. So if Anri and the Ashen One procreate and their children possess the same abilities, that means the cycle of the flame will never repeat itself and humanity is truly in control now.]] Basic genetics and survival of the fittest in play right there.

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** In addition to this, while it might seem random and completely out of the blue at first when Yuria mentions that she's chosen [[spoiler:Anri of Astora to be the Ashen One's spouse]], it actually makes a lot of sense when you think about it. [[spoiler:Anri is the only other person in the game besides the Ashen One who's both Unkindled ''and'' Undead (you absorb his/her Dark Sigils during your "marriage", after all— five of them to be exact, the same number you received from Yoel). all). This means he/she also has the power to harness both the First Flame ''and'' the Dark Soul, which as mentioned above was discovered by Vendrick to be the key to breaking the cycle. And it can be seen in the ending cinematic that Anri was ressurected by the ritual, so contrary to popular belief, the "marriage" ritual ceremony isn't simply just a defilement of their corpse. So if Anri and the Ashen One procreate and their children possess the same abilities, that means the cycle of the flame will never repeat itself and humanity is truly in control now. This also explains why Yuria is so insistent that the Ashen One ''must'' have a spouse first before attempting to usurp the flame.]] Basic genetics and survival of the fittest in play right there.
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* Speaking of Yoel, he dies after giving you 5 free levels and subsequent hollowing, after which he stops, and by the time you come back he's found dead, with Yuria having taken his place. Yuria claims he has fulfilled his purpose and is at peace. But Yuria is a lot more [[ObviouslyEvil obviously evil]] than Yoel (compared to their tones and the wares they sell, with Yuria having an evil miracle tome in braille). How do we know Yuria didn't simply kill Yoel once he served his purpose or to get him out of the way?
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* Speaking of Yoel, he dies after giving you 5 free levels and subsequent hollowing, after which he stops, and by the time you come back he's found dead, with Yuria having taken his place. Yuria claims he has fulfilled his purpose and is at peace. But Yuria is a lot more [[ObviouslyEvil obviously evil]] than Yoel (compared to their tones and the wares they sell, with Yuria having an evil miracle tome in braille). How do we know Yuria didn't simply kill Yoel once he served his purpose or to get him out of the way.

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* Speaking of Yoel, he dies after giving you 5 free levels and subsequent hollowing, after which he stops, and by the time you come back he's found dead, with Yuria having taken his place. Yuria claims he has fulfilled his purpose and is at peace. But Yuria is a lot more [[ObviouslyEvil obviously evil]] than Yoel (compared to their tones and the wares they sell, with Yuria having an evil miracle tome in braille). How do we know Yuria didn't simply kill Yoel once he served his purpose or to get him out of the way.way?
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* Speaking of Yoel, he dies after giving you 5 free levels and subsequent hollowing, after which he stops, and by the time you come back he's found dead, with Yuria having taken his place. Yuria claims he has fulfilled his purpose and is at peace. But Yuria is a lot more [[ObviouslyEvil obviously evil]] than Yoel (compared to their tones and the wares they sell, with Yuria having an evil miracle tome in braille). How do we know Yuria didn't simply kill Yoel once he served his purpose or to get him out of the way.
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*** Well, Yoel seems to get back up easily enough... maybe the rocks are insurance for when they get close enough to the fame for their bodies to give out naturally?

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*** Well, Yoel seems to get back up easily enough... maybe the rocks are insurance for when they get close enough to the fame for their bodies to give out naturally?naturally?
* So, you've just beaten the Old Demon King and you happened upon the Stray Demon earlier in the game and handily took care of it. Congratulations, [[YouBastard you just committed genocide]], as these two demons are supposedly the last of the Demons of Izalith that were born of the Chaos Flame which has now been extinguished. If that isn't bad enough for you, look around the Demon Ruins and the Old Demon King's arena sometime; it's littered with the corpses of his fallen kin, mostly Stray and Capra Demons.
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** In addition to this, while it might seem random and completely out of the blue at first when Yuria mentions that she's chosen [[spoiler:Anri of Astora to be Ashen One's spouse]], it actually makes a lot of sense when you think about it. [[spoiler:Anri is the only other person in the game besides the Ashen One who's both Unkindled ''and'' Undead (you absorb his/her Dark Sigils during your "marriage", after all— five of them to be exact, the same number you received from Yoel). This means he/she has the power to harness both the First Flame ''and'' the Dark Soul, which as mentioned above was discovered by Vendrick to be the key to breaking the cycle. And it can be seen in the ending cinematic that Anri was ressurected by the ritual, so contrary to popular belief, the "marriage" ritual isn't simply just a defilement of their corpse. So if Anri and the Ashen One procreate and their children possess the same abilities, that means the cycle of the flame will never repeat itself and humanity is truly in control now.]] Basic genetics and survival of the fittest in play right there.
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*** To swing it back into Fridge Horror territory: the rocks are a guard against Hollowing. The only way the pilgrims can continue forward is if they still have enough determination and hope to shoulder the burden--they don't Hollow so long as they can keep pulling themselves back to their feet. But if they lose the last of their hope and collapse, turning Hollow, then they won't be a threat as they'll be pinned to the ground.

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*** To swing it back into Fridge Horror territory: the rocks are a guard against Hollowing. The only way the pilgrims can continue forward is if they still have enough determination and hope to shoulder the burden--they don't Hollow so long as they can keep pulling themselves back to their feet. But if they lose the last of their hope and collapse, turning Hollow, then they won't be a threat as they'll be pinned to the ground.ground.
***Well, Yoel seems to get back up easily enough... maybe the rocks are insurance for when they get close enough to the fame for their bodies to give out naturally?
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** There's also the {{DLC}} to consider. With so many loose ends involving [[spoiler: the Dark Soul and the Fragments of Manus]] still left untouched by the main game, it's possible that they're saving the ''Dark Souls II'' references for that.
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** [[FridgeLogic But why wouldn't the rocks crush them the minute that they stumble once, and how would they be able to lift them to begin with?]] Just because they're effectively immortal doesn't mean that they're strong or incapable of sustaining debilitating/fatal injury while they're still technically alive. Look at Vengarl for example; even being beheaded didn't kill him, it just left him as a living head with a body running amok.

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** [[FridgeLogic But why wouldn't the rocks crush them the minute that they stumble once, and how would they be able to lift them to begin with?]] Just because they're effectively immortal doesn't mean that they're strong or incapable of sustaining debilitating/fatal injury while they're still technically alive. Look at Vengarl for example; even being beheaded didn't kill him, it just left him as a living head with a body running amok.amok.
*** To swing it back into Fridge Horror territory: the rocks are a guard against Hollowing. The only way the pilgrims can continue forward is if they still have enough determination and hope to shoulder the burden--they don't Hollow so long as they can keep pulling themselves back to their feet. But if they lose the last of their hope and collapse, turning Hollow, then they won't be a threat as they'll be pinned to the ground.
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* A lot of people who were fans of ''VideoGame/DarkSoulsII'' are a bit hacked that most of the [[CallBack callbacks]] in the game are to ''VideoGame/DarkSoulsI'', but it makes sense from a lore stand point. Lothric is described as a "transitory land" that amalgamates architecture and entities from the ancient lands of the Lords of Cinder that Linked the Fire. The reason more of Drangleic isn't in there is because [[spoiler: Vendrick never Linked the Fire, as he wasted too much time trying to find another way to halt the Curse and had the war with the Giants to contend with as well.]] By the time of Drangleic's end and their chance to Link the Fire, only the Bearer of the Curse could do it and Drangleic wasn't their land.

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* Pay attention to how [[spoiler: the Soul of Cinder]] dies. [[spoiler: He doesn't disintegrate into particles like most bosses. After his death cry, he kneels down as his body slowly fades away, ''just like a player character''.]]



** [[FridgeLogic But why wouldn't the rocks crush them the mintue that they stumble once, and how would they be able to lift them to begin with?]] Just because they're effectively immortal doesn't mean that they're strong or incapable of sustaining debilitating/fatal injury while they're still technically alive. Look at Vengarl for example; even being beheaded didn't kill him, it just left him as a living head with a body running amok.

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** [[FridgeLogic But why wouldn't the rocks crush them the mintue minute that they stumble once, and how would they be able to lift them to begin with?]] Just because they're effectively immortal doesn't mean that they're strong or incapable of sustaining debilitating/fatal injury while they're still technically alive. Look at Vengarl for example; even being beheaded didn't kill him, it just left him as a living head with a body running amok.
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* For some, the [[spoiler: Usurp the Fire ending]] seems like a bit of a cop-out on the theme of the game being the inevitability of the cycle and how ultimately events are just going to repeat themselves, but let's think on this for a moment. For those that didn't play the Lost Crown Trilogy in ''VideoGame/DarkSoulsII'' [[spoiler: the Memory of King Vendrick had an interesting thing to say about the cycle and how to ultimately break it; you need to harness the First Flame and the Dark Soul in tandem. He knew this but was too late to implement it.]] Flash forward to now; you are an Unkindled, a new type of undead that can access the powers of a Lord of Cinder by consuming Embers of the dying fires in much the same way you'd use Humanity/Human Effigies in the last two games as a regular Undead. [[spoiler: By extension, this would mean that you can also absorb the Embers of the First Flame and use them yourself. In addition to this, you can also gain a form of the Curse from Yoel of Londor by accepting a Dark Sigil, which is described as a open sore like the Darksign that weeps Humanity from it. Humanity, as we know from the previous two games, are all fragments of the Dark Soul found by the Furtive Pygmy. Thus, you are now the ''only'' being in ''any'' cycle that can harness the First Flame as Embers ''and'' the Dark Soul as the Dark Sigil and use the power of both to finally break the cycle permanently.]] It would seem that [[spoiler: Vendrick]] was right on the money, he just didn't have the Unkindled around to help him out with his plan.
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* This is regarding the final boss. Do not spoil unless you've played the game and/or don't care. [[spoiler: The Soul of Cinder, in his first phase, switches between 4 movesets: A greatsword, a sorcery catalyst, a curved sword with a pyromancy flame, and a spear with a miracle charm. These are all meant to be previous Undead, but we've only seen two previous player characters link the fire in previous games, meaning that half the boss' moveset is unaccounted for. (And the movesets are so disparate that trying to marry one or more of them is an exercise in frustration) But have we only seen 2? Knight Solaire's sidequest from DS1, should he survive Lost Izalith, culminates in him being summonable help against Gwyn, after which he links the fire regardless of the player's actions. So that makes 3 Chosen Undead that have linked the fire on-camera. One with a sword and a miracle charm, and two player characters which can be anything. The curved sword moveset flips backwards like he has the dark wood grain ring in DS1, and also the scimitar of Shiva of the East (the merchant who sells you the ring). That plus the pyromancy flame (speaking to a connection to the Chaos Servants, which he'd need to save Solaire) pretty clearly outlines that the curved sword and pyro flame moveset is the DS1 Chosen Undead. That means the greatsword, the curved sword, the pyromancy flame, and the miracle charm are all accounted for, leaving only the sorcery catalyst and the spear for the DS2 Bearer of the Curse, which is further borne out by that moveset's use of several DS2 sorceries including Soul Spear Barrage and Soul Greatsword, and the Focus Souls sorcery from the ''Sunken King'' DLC.]]

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* This is regarding the final boss. Do not spoil unless you've played the game and/or don't care. [[spoiler: The Soul of Cinder, in his first phase, switches between 4 movesets: A greatsword, a sorcery catalyst, a curved sword with a pyromancy flame, and a spear with a miracle charm. These are all meant to be previous Undead, but we've only seen two previous player characters link the fire in previous games, meaning that half the boss' moveset is unaccounted for. (And the movesets are so disparate that trying to marry shoehorn one or more of them into 2 Undead PlayerCharacters is an exercise in frustration) But have we only seen 2? Knight Solaire's sidequest from DS1, ''[=DS1=]'', should he survive Lost Izalith, culminates in him being summonable help against Gwyn, after which he links the fire regardless of the player's actions.actions (by [[WordOfGod Word of Miyazaki]]). So that makes 3 Chosen Undead that have linked the fire on-camera. One with a sword and a miracle charm, and two player characters which can be anything. The curved sword moveset flips backwards like he has the dark wood grain ring in DS1, from ''[=DS1=]'', and also the scimitar of Shiva of the East (the merchant who sells you the ring). That plus the pyromancy flame (speaking to a connection to the Chaos Servants, which he'd need to save Solaire) pretty clearly outlines that the curved sword and pyro flame moveset is the DS1 ''[=DS1=]'' Chosen Undead. That means the greatsword, the curved sword, the pyromancy flame, and the miracle charm are all accounted for, leaving only the sorcery catalyst and the spear for the DS2 ''[=DS2=]'' Bearer of the Curse, which is further borne out by that moveset's use of several DS2 ''[=DS2=]'' sorceries including Soul Spear Barrage and Soul Greatsword, and the Focus Souls sorcery from the ''Sunken King'' DLC.DLC. Therefore, the Soul of Cinder is an amalgam of the [[DarkSouls1 Chosen Undead, Knight Solaire]], [[DarkSouls2 the Bearer of the Curse]], and Lord Gwyn, among others in ages past.]]
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* This is regarding the final boss. Do not spoil unless you've played the game and/or don't care. [[spoiler: The Soul of Cinder, in his first phase, switches between 4 movesets: A greatsword, a sorcery catalyst, a curved sword with a pyromancy flame, and a spear with a miracle charm. These are all meant to be previous Undead, but we've only seen two previous player characters link the fire in previous games, meaning that half the boss' moveset is unaccounted for. (And the movesets are so disparate that trying to marry one or more of them is an exercise in frustration) But have we only seen 2? Knight Solaire's sidequest from DS1, should he survive Lost Izalith, culminates in him being summonable help against Gwyn, after which he links the fire regardless of the player's actions. So that makes 3 Chosen Undead that have linked the fire on-camera. One with a sword and a miracle charm, and two player characters which can be anything. The curved sword moveset flips backwards like he has the dark wood grain ring in DS1, and also the scimitar of Shiva of the East (the merchant who sells you the ring). That plus the pyromancy flame (speaking to a connection to the Chaos Servants, which he'd need to save Solaire) pretty clearly outlines that the curved sword and pyro flame moveset is the DS1 Chosen Undead. That means the greatsword, the curved sword, the pyromancy flame, and the miracle charm are all accounted for, leaving only the sorcery catalyst and the spear for the DS2 Bearer of the Curse, which is further borne out by that moveset's use of several DS2 sorceries including Soul Spear Barrage and Soul Greatsword, and the Focus Souls sorcery from the ''Sunken King'' DLC.]]
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* Throughout the first couple levels there are the corpses of shrouded undead traveling to Lothric. They are stated to be pilgrims trying to get close enough to the First Flame to die again. But why do they have slabs of stone chained to their back? So that when they get close enough to their destination to regain their mortality, the weight will immediately make them collapse where they stand and press them to death. An auto-triggered execution.

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* Throughout the first couple levels there are the corpses of shrouded undead traveling to Lothric. They are stated to be pilgrims trying to get close enough to the First Flame to die again. But why do they have slabs of stone chained to their back? So that when they get close enough to their destination to regain their mortality, the weight will immediately make them collapse where they stand and press them to death. An auto-triggered execution.execution.
** [[FridgeLogic But why wouldn't the rocks crush them the mintue that they stumble once, and how would they be able to lift them to begin with?]] Just because they're effectively immortal doesn't mean that they're strong or incapable of sustaining debilitating/fatal injury while they're still technically alive. Look at Vengarl for example; even being beheaded didn't kill him, it just left him as a living head with a body running amok.
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* Throughout the first couple levels there are the corpses of shrouded undead traveling to Lothric. They are stated to be pilgrims trying to get close enough to the First Flame to die again. But why do they have slabs of stone chained to their back? So that when they get close enough to their destination to regain their mortality, the weight will immediately make them collapse where they stand and press them to death. An auto-triggered execution.

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