Follow TV Tropes

Following

History Fridge / AvatarTheLastAirbender

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
spelling error in my previous post


* Remember how Combustion Man shows up at the Air Temple after the Ganng takes refuge there? Remember how Zuko entreats Combustion man to stop his assualt (to now avail)? Think back to the episode that Combustion Man first appears in. Azula is savy enough to know that Zuko has been visiting Iroh. If that's the case, she has got to know that he hired Combustion Man. She's probably already intercepted and "re-hired" combustion man (to both the Ganng AND Zuko's detriment) before Zuko could even get to bed that night.

to:

* Remember how Combustion Man shows up at the Air Temple after the Ganng Gaang takes refuge there? Remember how Zuko entreats Combustion man to stop his assualt (to now no avail)? Why wouldn't an employee listen to his employer? Because at the point, Zuko WASN'T his employer anymore- Azula was. Think back to the episode that Combustion Man first appears in. Azula is savy enough to know that Zuko has been visiting Iroh. If that's the case, she has got to know that he hired Combustion Man. She's probably already intercepted and "re-hired" combustion man (to both the Ganng Gaang AND Zuko's detriment) before Zuko could even get to bed that night.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*Remember how Combustion Man shows up at the Air Temple after the Ganng takes refuge there? Remember how Zuko entreats Combustion man to stop his assualt (to now avail)? Think back to the episode that Combustion Man first appears in. Azula is savy enough to know that Zuko has been visiting Iroh. If that's the case, she has got to know that he hired Combustion Man. She's probably already intercepted and "re-hired" combustion man (to both the Ganng AND Zuko's detriment) before Zuko could even get to bed that night.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* In ''[=~Avatar: The Last Airbender~=]'' we find out that the [[SecretPolice Dai Li]] has an ElaborateUndergroundBase which was used as a {{brainwash|ed}}ing facility. A couple episodes later, we find out [[EvilChancellor Long Feng]] had it destroyed [[ItWasHereISwear to eliminate any evidence of his misdeeds before the Earth King could see it]]... and all the people who were being brainwashed (whom you could probably consider ''evidence'') as well as Smellerbee and Longshot (who were last seen inside of it [[spoiler: comforting Jet, who WordOfGod confirmed died]]) ''are never mentioned again''.
** The Joo Dees. A bunch of {{brainwashed}} young women who will obey the (presumably all-male) Dai Li's every command. You do the math.
** You know what waterbenders can do with normal water in the series? Turn it to ice or steam in an instant, use it to cut steel or smash with incredible force. Yeah, a bloodbender can do that ''inside your body!'' The implications are so horrific that if the creators had dealt with any of the uses of bloodbending other than the PeoplePuppets one, the age rating on the series would have had to have been revised WAY upward.
*** All bending disciplines have plenty of Fridge Horror, considering things like how Airbending can induce instant suffocation and Earthbending can bury people alive. And even though Firebending is demonstrated to incinerate anything, there is still the implication that with enough practice a Firebender can create flames ''anywhere''.
**** While possible, generally Airbenders are taught to never use their powers offensively so as to avert that. Played completely straight twice with Earthbending, once by Bumi (albeit jokingly) and once more by a general trying to induce the Avatar State in Aang by burying Katara alive.
** You know those funny old monks and cute little kids Aang is playing with in the flashbacks? They all get burned to death shortly afterward.
*** Airbenders are raised by nuns and monks from birth. There were infants in the Air Temples. WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids
** Toph is the only person in the world who can earthbend metal. That means those people she trapped with her metalbending - Xin Fu, Master Yu, and an anonymous Dai Li agent - have no obvious way of getting free without, at best, considerable discomfort.
** You remember how Sozin started that whole dragon hunt game just so Firebenders can boast about how they've killed the original masters of fire? You remember that dragon Sozin was riding on in the flashback episode? The guy probably friggin' ''killed his loyal steed and decided to make it a national sport''.
** Something that really bothers this troper is the question of just how horrible Ozai was to BOTH of his children (mostly after Ursa left). I can't help but wonder what else Zuko had been through before he got half his face napalmed merely for calling BS on [[WeHaveReserves sending good men to their pointless deaths]]. As for Azula, why do I get the feeling that her blind loyalty to her father might include more than a little StockholmSyndrome?
*** Zuko probably also has some StockholmSyndrome, considering that he still wanted Ozai's favor.
**** Azula becomes hysterical when she thinks her father isn't going to give her the throne, and terrified, begins screaming, "YOU CAN'T TREAT ME LIKE ZUKO!" This troper couldn't help but wonder what else her father did to her brother...
***** The inside of Azula's mind is scary when you try to imagine how it must feel to actually BE her. She is possibly the unhappiest and most lonely fourteen-year-old ever animated. Keeping up that ultra-competent facade just to keep Ozai (and Azulon before him) happy must have taken a lot of willpower when you see how quickly she snapped. Zuko at least managed to get better on his own after three seasons of therapy.
** Speaking of Ozai, WordOfGod says that he was at least a decent husband and father during the first few years of his kids' lives. Was it all an act? Or was it a horrible story involving a huge fall due to hunger for power?
** Zuko's mom, Ursa, had two kids with Ozai, who's clearly disturbed. That means they had sex at least twice. What do you think fucking a genocidal maniac would feel like?
** Iroh comes home with a dead son to find his father dead, his brother ascended to the throne, and his sister in law has disappeared, then calmly watches Ozai abuse the shit out of his kids.
*** Before that, Iroh had casually mocked the Ba Sing Se defenders in a letter to home, which was sent along with several pieces of looted treasures, including an Earth Kingdom doll. Even with the implication that Iroh killed a child, it gets even more horrific as you think about how Iroh must have felt when his own son died: He just realized that the pain he felt from loosing his son is what he'd been doing to thousands of families, who's sons and fathers have been fighting on the front lines against him. No wonder the guy became a comical old fool, he's probably trying to avoid all the horrible memories he lived.
** Katara's grandma ran away from an arranged marriage to a strange place where she knew no one. That takes her relationship from "I love someone else" to "I'd rather die than be with this man". And then never again speaks of the fact she's from the Northern Water Tribe. How bad do you think you'd have to be treated to act like this? And it kind of set's up Katara's mentor as her grandma's wannabe rapist.
** Zhao's death is being dragged to his doom by a vengeful spirit. That's bad enough, but then you realize it's dragging him back towards a ''portal to the spirit world''. It's very possible it didn't kill Zhao but instead sent him to a FateWorseThanDeath for killing it's counterpart. Now think about how, when we saw Iroh and Zuko sailing that raft past all those sunken warships, there were no bodies in the water, implying that ''they'' got taken to the Spirit World, too.
*** I don't know. All of them were wearing full body armor. It is more likely that they just sank. However, that adds the realization that almost everyone in an entire fleet of ships probably drowned. Even worse when you consider that they were firebenders drowning in icy water. They would have been struggling to swim to safety, but they would be weighed down as their bodies slowly went numb and their air ran out.
** When Azula is trying to recruit Ty Lee, she goes to see her circus performance. She also makes it quite clear through the wild animals and setting the safety net ON FIRE that she could completely destroy Ty Lee's life as well as just her feeling of safety with but a snap of her fingers. What makes this scene worse is Ty Lee's expression when this dawns on her and she realizes it is, once again, Azula's way or the highway... the exact same thing she ran away from in the first place.
*** There's no getting away from Azula - she can find her wherever she goes. Ty Lee's part of a traveling circus. There's most likely more than one of them, and why not just send a letter? She knew Ty Lee would refuse and Azula wanted to threaten her life in person.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*** Everything except the bones would be basically jello anyway. So it is less like comic book x-ray vision and more like a blurry version of real x-ray vision.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

**** Well, it is definitely something interesting to put on your tombstone: "Zhao: Killed a god. Another god was needed just to take him out."
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** I was probably Azulon's initiative, or one of Ozai's first acts as firelord. It takes time to train half decent firebenders, and Ozai's kids were already in training by the time Ozai took throne.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

***** So with that logic, it makes sense that the ultimate form of firebending is lightning. It would just be weaponizing the electrolysis firebenders always use.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

**Also, the Fire and Air. Probably unintentional, but think about it-the fire nation is taking over the entire world, growing larger and larger - you know, like a metaphor for fire spreading? Also, the Air Nomads have four different temples scattered around the world, like real wind scatters. Again, probably completely unintentional, but it makes sense, kinda.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* Azula and Ozai think in fundamentally different ways. Whenever you see Ozai's reaction to something, he's reacting as the problem comes along, usually with more harshness than necessary. ("Son speaking out of place? Agni Kai! Refuses to fight? Burn half his face off and banish him! [[spoiler: Rebels in the captured Earth Kingdom? Burn the entire continent to the ground!"]]) Azula is [[GenreSavvy genre savvy]], [[CrazyPrepared plans way ahead]], acts on opportunities, plans for every possibility, and manipulates people and events to her advantage. Her train of thought is more like, "I'll dress up like a Keoshi warrior to get into Ba Sing Se, and since Long Feng wants to manipulate me, I'll let him think he's manipulating me, while really manipulating him. This gives me control of the Dai Li, so I'll use them in a complicated plan to take over the city. I'll instillI fear in the Dai Li, so that when Long Feng eventually tries to betray me they'll still be on my side. I won't be able to beat the avatar and his friends, even with the Dai Li on my side, unless I also have Zuko. So I'll easily emotionally manipulate him and take it from there." In the end, [[spoiler: Azula's [[VillainousBreakdown villainous breakdown]] is shown, besides the paranoia and hallucinations, by her losing this methodical logic and becoming more like Ozai. Her decisions are now just like his. ("Servant left a pit in my cherry? Banish her!) Her complete loss of control and planning comes in her final fight with Katara. She was able to out reason Zuko, but Katara sees a grate with water running under it, lures her onto it, and uses the water to be able to defeat her. Under normal circumstances, Azula would be the one pulling a trick like this, and would have probably known about the water in advance and prepared for it.]]

Added: 110

Changed: 3

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


Basically, any use that fire has (which is, you know, a lot since fire is essentially the basis of all modern technology in one sense or another) is a "practical use for it that doesn't involve hurting people."

to:

Basically, any use that fire has (which is, you know, a lot since fire is essentially the basis of all modern technology in one sense or another) is a "practical use for it that doesn't involve hurting people.""\\\
And lastly, melting ice doesn't count as something practical? Clearly you don't live somewhere that gets snow.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*** ...Seriously? That's so daft I don't even know where to start, so I'm just gonna list things off the top of my head, half of which were shown in the series itself: Cooking. Keeping warm in freezing temperatures. Heating water to sterilize it. Cauterizing wounds. Needed demolitions.\\\
Basically, any use that fire has (which is, you know, a lot since fire is essentially the basis of all modern technology in one sense or another) is a "practical use for it that doesn't involve hurting people."
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

**** First name one practical use for it that doesn't involve hurting people. And no, melting ice, burning leaves, and impressing friends do not count.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Realized a new example.


*This trouper realized something by reading this page. Aang was convinced that he was forced to kill the Firelord. There is an old Buddhist saying that goes "If you see the Buddha (an idea about Nirvana) in the road (the path to Nirvana), kill him (destroy the idea)". In the end, that's exactly what Aang did. He killed the idea of the Firelord. Brilliant!



* With Plantbending, which can be done during a normal day, you can either draw the water out of the plant or bend the plant itself. With Bloodbending, you can bend the body itself during the full moon. Using the connections these techniques share, a sufficiently powerful waterbender, under a full moon, could draw the water out of their enemies and use it to slaughter others.

to:

* With Plantbending, which can be done during a normal day, you can either draw the water out of the plant or bend the plant itself. With Bloodbending, you can bend the body itself during the full moon. Using the connections these techniques share, a sufficiently powerful waterbender, under a full moon, could draw the water out of their enemies and use it to slaughter others.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Also, the ferry that takes immigrants to Ba Sing Se is comparable to the ships that tools immigrants to America from Europe.

to:

** Also, the ferry that takes immigrants to Ba Sing Se is comparable to the ships that tools took immigrants to America from Europe.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Just adding a thought

Added DiffLines:

**Also, the ferry that takes immigrants to Ba Sing Se is comparable to the ships that tools immigrants to America from Europe.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Even more subtle that it demonstrates how foreshadows the original form of Firebending, the Dragon's ''Dance'' taught by the Sun Warriors. The corrupt form of Firebending is a reflection how the Fire Nation culture disregarded the very roots of their civilization and the appreciation of their element's place in the world. Without that connection, without dancing, the Fire Nation upset the balance.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* With Plantbending, which can be done during a normal day, you can either draw the water out of the plant or bend the plant itself. With Bloodbending, you can bend the body itself during the full moon. Using the connections these techniques share, a sufficiently powerful waterbender, under a full moon, could draw the water out of their enemies and use it to slaughter others.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*** But arguably what Katara did with Azula was just that, she fought unevenly against two foes. And while she managed to come over Zuko a second opponent broke her somehow ilegally, while I can come to terms with the fridge great irony of Ty Lee's desition after all this time I still think the Agni Kai resolution is sketchie, Katara could beat Azula all the way since the end of season two but not Zuko and at the end Azula even broken was cunning enough to play Zuko directly in one last trap.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*In "The Headband", one character mentions that people in the Fire Nation don't dance. At the end of the series,[[spoiler:Zuko beats Azula using a breakdancing move]]. That is some subtle Foreshadowing.

Added: 224

Changed: 251

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** There's no getting away from Azula - she can find her wherever she goes. Ty Lee's part of a traveling circus. There's most likely more than one of them, and why not just send a letter? She knew Ty Lee would refuse and Azula wanted to threaten her life in person.
* Yu and Xin Fu are trapped for the rest of their lives in a cramped metal box while most likely starving to death. [[CrowningMomentOfFunny While Yu needs to go to the bathroom.]]

to:

** There's no getting away from Azula - she can find her wherever she goes. Ty Lee's part of a traveling circus. There's most likely more than one of them, and why not just send a letter? She knew Ty Lee would refuse and Azula wanted to threaten her life in person.
person.
** Ty Lee didn't run away from Azula but from conformity in her family, though she probably does have previous experiences of Azula leading with fear.
* Yu and Xin Fu are trapped for the rest of their lives in a cramped metal box while most likely starving to death. [[CrowningMomentOfFunny While Yu needs to go to the bathroom.]]]]
** Nah. They'll dehydrate or suffocate first.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* I was deeply troubled by Zuko's subverted HeelFaceTurn in the Season 2 finale of ''AvatarTheLastAirbender''. I kept grinding my teeth in dread of the possibility that the writers had spent an entire season setting up this beautiful redemption story, only to get cold feet and default back to black-and-white, heroes and villains kiddie fare. It wasn't until about a quarter of the way through Season 3--which, given the huge inter-season hiatus meant that I had had the better part of a ''year'' to mull it over--that I realized how much better it was this way. Because what would it prove if he switched sides at that point? As far as he knew at the time, ''he had nothing to lose.'' It wouldn't have been a personal sacrifice. But after going home and being hailed a hero and [[WellDoneSonGuy praised by his father]], he knew exactly what he was choosing between, and it made [[spoiler: his eventual genuine HeelFaceTurn]] that much more meaningful. Bravo, writers! --{{Karalora}}

to:

* I was deeply troubled by Zuko's subverted HeelFaceTurn in the Season 2 finale of ''AvatarTheLastAirbender''.''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender''. I kept grinding my teeth in dread of the possibility that the writers had spent an entire season setting up this beautiful redemption story, only to get cold feet and default back to black-and-white, heroes and villains kiddie fare. It wasn't until about a quarter of the way through Season 3--which, given the huge inter-season hiatus meant that I had had the better part of a ''year'' to mull it over--that I realized how much better it was this way. Because what would it prove if he switched sides at that point? As far as he knew at the time, ''he had nothing to lose.'' It wouldn't have been a personal sacrifice. But after going home and being hailed a hero and [[WellDoneSonGuy praised by his father]], he knew exactly what he was choosing between, and it made [[spoiler: his eventual genuine HeelFaceTurn]] that much more meaningful. Bravo, writers! --{{Karalora}}
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* I just realized that the "Roar like a Dilo-lion" move would/could actually form the Fire Nation symbol if the two fists of fire rebounded off the ground just right.

Added: 132

Changed: 238

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* I just though about Toph ability and I realize that if wall don't stop her from "seeing" what's behind them, then human skin isn't a barrier either!

to:

* I just though about Toph ability and I realize that if wall don't stop her from "seeing" what's behind them, then human skin isn't a barrier either!either!
** She doesn't see like seeing people do. She probably doesn't make a too huge difference between the skin and organs to begin with.



** It's the Fire Nation. He might have done something very minor, like [[LesMiserables stealing bread to feed his family]].

to:

** It's the Fire Nation. He might have done something very minor, like [[LesMiserables stealing bread to feed his family]].
family]].
*** Being a political prisoner is the most likely possibility. You would think that the Fire Nation would burn off the arm of a thief, or something else equally cruel and symbolic, and it's unlikely that they let murderers live at all.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** It's the Fire Nation. He might have done something very minor, like [[LesMisérables stealing bread to feed his family]].

to:

** It's the Fire Nation. He might have done something very minor, like [[LesMisérables [[LesMiserables stealing bread to feed his family]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Well, possibly kind of averted by the positive ending, but consider this: Chit Sang may have been nice enough, but he was still a dangerous prisoner for some reason. Maybe it was treason, which would make him a good guy in this context. Or maybe it was theft, murder, etc. And then he, a relatively strong firebender, is practically left alone with a bunch of kids and Hakoda. Hakoda and Haru may be strong enough to stop him from whatever he might do, but the other two? No chance.

to:

* Well, possibly kind of averted by the positive ending, but consider this: Chit Sang may have been nice enough, but he was still a dangerous prisoner for some reason. Maybe it was treason, which would make him a good guy in this context. Or maybe it was theft, murder, etc. And then he, a relatively strong firebender, is practically left alone with a bunch of kids and Hakoda. Hakoda and Haru may be strong enough to stop him from whatever he might do, but the other two? No chance.chance.
** It's the Fire Nation. He might have done something very minor, like [[LesMisérables stealing bread to feed his family]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* It's the BishonenLine. He's the boss because he's the prettiest.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
I/i


* A minor one occured to me in the episode "Bitter Work". Earlier in the episode, Toph took Aang to take a stance... and stop a huge boulder she set rolling down the hill towards him. Of course, he does the thing any sane person would do, and jump out of the way. Later in the show, seconds before he learns to earthbend, he defends Sokka by airbending a huge beast out of the way. What i realised was that he was using an earthbending stance, and that the situation was almost exactly the same: He stood his ground against a seemingly unstoppable force, and used an earthbending stance to stop it.

to:

* A minor one occured to me in the episode "Bitter Work". Earlier in the episode, Toph took Aang to take a stance... and stop a huge boulder she set rolling down the hill towards him. Of course, he does the thing any sane person would do, and jump out of the way. Later in the show, seconds before he learns to earthbend, he defends Sokka by airbending a huge beast out of the way. What i I realised was that he was using an earthbending stance, and that the situation was almost exactly the same: He stood his ground against a seemingly unstoppable force, and used an earthbending stance to stop it.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added: 323

Changed: 3

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Airbending seems like it would be useless in combat, and though the air-benders shown are really strong, none of their attacks can be used to seriously hurt or kill people. Just knock them down or blow them away. This is why the air-benders are all peaceful monks. They only use their air-bending for self-defense, and only when they have to, and usually just avoid fighting altogether.

to:

** Airbending seems like it would be useless in combat, and though the air-benders shown are really strong, none of their attacks can be used to seriously hurt or kill people. Just knock them down or blow them away. This is why the air-benders are all peaceful monks. They only use their air-bending for self-defense, and only when they have to, and usually just avoid fighting altogether.altogether.
*** They can move better (or Aang does, at least) than anyone else, and his superior movement tends to win him a lot of fights. Also, air can be really, REALLY powerful (hint: It's called a Tornado). They're peaceful because if they weren't, they'd be in conflict all the time.



** Fire bending seems like it would be the most useless one to have in real life, because you really can't use it for much besides combat. This would explain why the fire nation is so war-like. But if you think deeper, you realize that there's more to it than that. Fire can be used in any number of industrial processes, metal forging, engines, ships, factories, etc. And the fire-nation does just that. Going even deeper than that, in the flashbacks with Sozin and Roku, Sozin mentions that the fire-nation has been going through an extremely prosperous era. They were having an industrial revolution! Some fire-bender must have created a steam-engine of some sort. This also means that they will likely never leave steam power, because they have total control over it. Fire-benders basically have an infinite supply of coal shooting out of their hands, so it makes complete sense that the new series will take place in a steam-punk themed city!

to:

** Fire bending seems like it would be the most useless one to have in real life, because you really can't use it for much besides combat. This would explain why the fire nation is so war-like. But if you think deeper, you realize that there's more to it than that. Fire can be used in any number of industrial processes, metal forging, engines, ships, factories, etc. And the fire-nation does just that. Going even deeper than that, in the flashbacks with Sozin and Roku, Sozin mentions that the fire-nation has been going through an extremely prosperous era. They were having an industrial revolution! Some fire-bender must have created a steam-engine of some sort. This also means that they will likely never leave steam power, because they have total control over it. Fire-benders basically have an infinite supply of coal shooting out of their hands, so it makes complete sense that the new series will take place in a steam-punk themed city!city.
*** Please explain why pyrokinesis is useless.

Top