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* Case 3 kicks off with Mack Rell claiming that the Yatagarasu instructed him to commit murder, and that the identity of the Yatagarasu is Byrne Faraday. Both these statements turn out to be true, albeit for different reasons. Byrne Faraday was a member of the three-person entity, the Yatagarasu, but it was another member of the Yatagarasu who had Rell commit the murder -- Calisto Yew.
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* Case 3 4 kicks off with Mack Rell claiming that the Yatagarasu instructed him to commit murder, and that the identity of the Yatagarasu is Byrne Faraday. Both these statements turn out to be true, albeit for different reasons. Byrne Faraday was a member of the three-person entity, the Yatagarasu, but it was another member of the Yatagarasu who had Rell commit the murder -- Calisto Yew.
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* FridgeBrilliance for Knightley switching the guns in the first case. You may not realize it at first, but this, too, is part of his ChessMotifs: He ''castled''.
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* One of Pierre Hoquet's sculptures is of a hero fighting a snake titled "[[EverybodyHatesMathematics The Math Test]]", which makes much more sense considering his true identity the late Issac Dover had money troubles from [[MoneyDumb being horrible at managing his finances]].
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* FridgeHorror comes up in the second case of ''Investigations 2'', which takes place in a prison and in it, convicts make death threats against Edgeworth (and he personally convicted some of them). This makes you wonder how prosecutors would fare in the prison population, especially considering that Edgeworth nearly got convicted of murder in the first game, and quite a few prosecutors are also serving time at this point in the game's timeline, and whether there is more to Lana Skye not making any more appearances since the first game and Ema's change in personality than we thought.
** Presumably prosecutors and cops convicted of serious crimes are kept in different prisons or otherwise away from the majority of the prison population. Lana only committed crimes under coercion, so she would probably be sent to a minimum security prison. As later shown in ''Dual Destinies'', at least one prosecutor (Simon Blackquill) has been in jail for years and seems relatively intact. (Although, comparing [[http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140409223509/aceattorney/images/0/0c/Young_Blackquill.png his younger self]] to [[http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130620044654/aceattorney/images/7/7e/Simon_Blackquill.png his older self]], it's clear he's seen ''some'' hard times.)
** Presumably prosecutors and cops convicted of serious crimes are kept in different prisons or otherwise away from the majority of the prison population. Lana only committed crimes under coercion, so she would probably be sent to a minimum security prison. As later shown in ''Dual Destinies'', at least one prosecutor (Simon Blackquill) has been in jail for years and seems relatively intact. (Although, comparing [[http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140409223509/aceattorney/images/0/0c/Young_Blackquill.png his younger self]] to [[http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130620044654/aceattorney/images/7/7e/Simon_Blackquill.png his older self]], it's clear he's seen ''some'' hard times.)
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* In AAI 2, FridgeBrilliance occurs in the final case: The final and decisive evidence against the BigBad is the pollen of the lilies that the fake president of Zheng Fa was carrying and also found on his body, and indeed traces of the same pollen was found in the murder weapon (the lion hot air balloon). It is repeatedly mentioned in the case by both Courtney and Franziska that the Japanese flower language for shishiyuri is "the bond between parent and child". In other words, the final nail in Simon's coffin is the bond between parent and child: Gregory and Miles Edgeworth, Di-Jun Huang, Justine Courtney and John Marsh, and Dane Gustavia and Simon Keyes himself. The entire game revolves around this theme, in fact.
** The relationship between a parent and child (natural or adopted) is a very large theme of AAI 2, to the point that it's an oddity when a major character has no direct ties along those lines. So when Tyrell Badd serves as the detective in the third case's flashbacks, despite the case having almost no relevance to the events of the first ''Investigations'' or anyone we met in that game, the best conclusion is simultaneously more indirect and heartwarming. In short, he's the closest thing the series has to a father figure for Dick Gumshoe.
* The Japanese title for ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth'' is Turnabout Prosecutor. In AAI 2, A conflict in the game is having Edgeworth choose between being a prosecutor or working as a defense lawyer like his dad. In the first case you play as Edgeworth the prosecutor. The second, you play as an assistant for your dad's law office's attorney Shield (because Courtney revoked your right to investigate as the prosecutor for Knightley's crime is changed into Sebastian instead). The third has you switching between Miles and Gregory (the defense lawyer). The fourth case has Edgeworth abandoning his prosecutor badge and (again) working under Shield. In the end of the fifth case, Courtney returns the badge and Edgeworth vows to continue to devote himself as a prosecutor and reform the law. [[TitleDrop Turnabout Prosecutor]] indeed!
* Playing the second case of AAI 2 is pure FridgeHorror, especially since you're acting as an assistant defense attorney '''DEFENDING THE BIG BAD'''.
** Worse when you realize the implications had you and Shields not been around for the case. Shields only happened to be there due to his daily visit with Master. Had he not been around, who would've taken his defense? Pretty likely that Phoenix Wright himself would've likely taken such a case, especially if Edgeworth prodded him to do so. So unless he learned his lesson from Justice for All and asked some VERY specific questions to implicate Simon's indirect involvement in Knightley's murder...Nick would've been defending the BigBad of the game...AGAIN!
** A similar situation occurs when replaying AAI 2-1 after beating AAI 2-5. Turns out "President" Di-Jun Huang was a '''LOT''' worse than everyone realized... that, and the fact that Horace Knightley, as much as a despicable {{Jerkass}} he was, was just an UnwittingPawn for the BigBad's plan, the plan of someone he thought was his friend...
** The relationship between a parent and child (natural or adopted) is a very large theme of AAI 2, to the point that it's an oddity when a major character has no direct ties along those lines. So when Tyrell Badd serves as the detective in the third case's flashbacks, despite the case having almost no relevance to the events of the first ''Investigations'' or anyone we met in that game, the best conclusion is simultaneously more indirect and heartwarming. In short, he's the closest thing the series has to a father figure for Dick Gumshoe.
* The Japanese title for ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth'' is Turnabout Prosecutor. In AAI 2, A conflict in the game is having Edgeworth choose between being a prosecutor or working as a defense lawyer like his dad. In the first case you play as Edgeworth the prosecutor. The second, you play as an assistant for your dad's law office's attorney Shield (because Courtney revoked your right to investigate as the prosecutor for Knightley's crime is changed into Sebastian instead). The third has you switching between Miles and Gregory (the defense lawyer). The fourth case has Edgeworth abandoning his prosecutor badge and (again) working under Shield. In the end of the fifth case, Courtney returns the badge and Edgeworth vows to continue to devote himself as a prosecutor and reform the law. [[TitleDrop Turnabout Prosecutor]] indeed!
* Playing the second case of AAI 2 is pure FridgeHorror, especially since you're acting as an assistant defense attorney '''DEFENDING THE BIG BAD'''.
** Worse when you realize the implications had you and Shields not been around for the case. Shields only happened to be there due to his daily visit with Master. Had he not been around, who would've taken his defense? Pretty likely that Phoenix Wright himself would've likely taken such a case, especially if Edgeworth prodded him to do so. So unless he learned his lesson from Justice for All and asked some VERY specific questions to implicate Simon's indirect involvement in Knightley's murder...Nick would've been defending the BigBad of the game...AGAIN!
** A similar situation occurs when replaying AAI 2-1 after beating AAI 2-5. Turns out "President" Di-Jun Huang was a '''LOT''' worse than everyone realized... that, and the fact that Horace Knightley, as much as a despicable {{Jerkass}} he was, was just an UnwittingPawn for the BigBad's plan, the plan of someone he thought was his friend...
* Lauren Paups' "shock" animation has her recoiling like she's been slapped. Take into account her boyfriend Lance's treatment of her coupled with the apparent threats against her that he used to coerce Colin Devorae into helping with his kidnapping plot, and [[DomesticAbuse the implications speak for themselves.]]
* Edgeworth ends up using Rhoda Toneiro's suitcase to hold the ransom money in case 3. Not only would he not plan to use it for anything else, but it's extremely eye-catching, and the fact that the design never sold means he can count on it being the only suitcase with that design in the area -- making it an easy way to track the kidnappers once the ransom money is turned over.
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* FridgeHorror comes up in the second case of ''Investigations 2'', which takes place in a prison and in it, convicts make death threats against Edgeworth (and he personally convicted some of them). This makes you wonder how prosecutors would fare in the prison population, especially considering that Edgeworth nearly got convicted of murder in the first game, and quite a few prosecutors are also serving time at this point in the game's timeline, and whether there is more to Lana Skye not making any more appearances since the first game and Ema's change in personality than we thought.
** Presumably prosecutors and cops convicted of serious crimes are kept in different prisons or otherwise away from the majority of the prison population. Lana only committed crimes under coercion, so she would probably be sent to a minimum security prison. As later shown in ''Dual Destinies'', at least one prosecutor (Simon Blackquill) has been in jail for years and seems relatively intact. (Although, comparing [[http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140409223509/aceattorney/images/0/0c/Young_Blackquill.png his younger self]] to [[http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130620044654/aceattorney/images/7/7e/Simon_Blackquill.png his older self]], it's clear he's seen ''some'' hard times.)
* In AAI 2, FridgeBrilliance occurs in the final case: The final and decisive evidence against the BigBad is the pollen of the lilies that the fake president of Zheng Fa was carrying and also found on his body, and indeed traces of the same pollen was found in the murder weapon (the lion hot air balloon). It is repeatedly mentioned in the case by both Courtney and Franziska that the Japanese flower language for shishiyuri is "the bond between parent and child". In other words, the final nail in Simon's coffin is the bond between parent and child: Gregory and Miles Edgeworth, Di-Jun Huang, Justine Courtney and John Marsh, and Dane Gustavia and Simon Keyes himself. The entire game revolves around this theme, in fact.
** The relationship between a parent and child (natural or adopted) is a very large theme of AAI 2, to the point that it's an oddity when a major character has no direct ties along those lines. So when Tyrell Badd serves as the detective in the third case's flashbacks, despite the case having almost no relevance to the events of the first ''Investigations'' or anyone we met in that game, the best conclusion is simultaneously more indirect and heartwarming. In short, he's the closest thing the series has to a father figure for Dick Gumshoe.
* The Japanese title for ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth'' is Turnabout Prosecutor. In AAI 2, A conflict in the game is having Edgeworth choose between being a prosecutor or working as a defense lawyer like his dad. In the first case you play as Edgeworth the prosecutor. The second, you play as an assistant for your dad's law office's attorney Shield (because Courtney revoked your right to investigate as the prosecutor for Knightley's crime is changed into Sebastian instead). The third has you switching between Miles and Gregory (the defense lawyer). The fourth case has Edgeworth abandoning his prosecutor badge and (again) working under Shield. In the end of the fifth case, Courtney returns the badge and Edgeworth vows to continue to devote himself as a prosecutor and reform the law. [[TitleDrop Turnabout Prosecutor]] indeed!
* Playing the second case of AAI 2 is pure FridgeHorror, especially since you're acting as an assistant defense attorney '''DEFENDING THE BIG BAD'''.
** Worse when you realize the implications had you and Shields not been around for the case. Shields only happened to be there due to his daily visit with Master. Had he not been around, who would've taken his defense? Pretty likely that Phoenix Wright himself would've likely taken such a case, especially if Edgeworth prodded him to do so. So unless he learned his lesson from Justice for All and asked some VERY specific questions to implicate Simon's indirect involvement in Knightley's murder...Nick would've been defending the BigBad of the game...AGAIN!
** A similar situation occurs when replaying AAI 2-1 after beating AAI 2-5. Turns out "President" Di-Jun Huang was a '''LOT''' worse than everyone realized... that, and the fact that Horace Knightley, as much as a despicable {{Jerkass}} he was, was just an UnwittingPawn for the BigBad's plan, the plan of someone he thought was his friend...
* Edgeworth ends up using Rhoda Toneiro's suitcase to hold the ransom money in case 3. Not only would he not plan to use it for anything else, but it's extremely eye-catching, and the fact that the design never sold means he can count on it being the only suitcase with that design in the area -- making it an easy way to track the kidnappers once the ransom money is turned over.
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* FridgeHorror comes up in the second case of ''Investigations 2'', which takes place in a prison and in it, convicts make death threats against Edgeworth (and he personally convicted some of them). This makes you wonder how prosecutors would fare in the prison population, especially considering that Edgeworth nearly got convicted of murder in the first game, and quite a few prosecutors are also serving time at this point in the game's timeline, and whether there is more to Lana Skye not making any more appearances since the first game and Ema's change in personality than we thought.
** Presumably prosecutors and cops convicted of serious crimes are kept in different prisons or otherwise away from the majority of the prison population. Lana only committed crimes under coercion, so she would probably be sent to a minimum security prison. As later shown in ''Dual Destinies'', at least one prosecutor (Simon Blackquill) has been in jail for years and seems relatively intact. (Although, comparing [[http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140409223509/aceattorney/images/0/0c/Young_Blackquill.png his younger self]] to [[http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130620044654/aceattorney/images/7/7e/Simon_Blackquill.png his older self]], it's clear he's seen ''some'' hard times.)
* In AAI 2, FridgeBrilliance occurs in the final case: The final and decisive evidence against the BigBad is the pollen of the lilies that the fake president of Zheng Fa was carrying and also found on his body, and indeed traces of the same pollen was found in the murder weapon (the lion hot air balloon). It is repeatedly mentioned in the case by both Courtney and Franziska that the Japanese flower language for shishiyuri is "the bond between parent and child". In other words, the final nail in Simon's coffin is the bond between parent and child: Gregory and Miles Edgeworth, Di-Jun Huang, Justine Courtney and John Marsh, and Dane Gustavia and Simon Keyes himself. The entire game revolves around this theme, in fact.
** The relationship between a parent and child (natural or adopted) is a very large theme of AAI 2, to the point that it's an oddity when a major character has no direct ties along those lines. So when Tyrell Badd serves as the detective in the third case's flashbacks, despite the case having almost no relevance to the events of the first ''Investigations'' or anyone we met in that game, the best conclusion is simultaneously more indirect and heartwarming. In short, he's the closest thing the series has to a father figure for Dick Gumshoe.
* The Japanese title for ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth'' is Turnabout Prosecutor. In AAI 2, A conflict in the game is having Edgeworth choose between being a prosecutor or working as a defense lawyer like his dad. In the first case you play as Edgeworth the prosecutor. The second, you play as an assistant for your dad's law office's attorney Shield (because Courtney revoked your right to investigate as the prosecutor for Knightley's crime is changed into Sebastian instead). The third has you switching between Miles and Gregory (the defense lawyer). The fourth case has Edgeworth abandoning his prosecutor badge and (again) working under Shield. In the end of the fifth case, Courtney returns the badge and Edgeworth vows to continue to devote himself as a prosecutor and reform the law. [[TitleDrop Turnabout Prosecutor]] indeed!
* Playing the second case of AAI 2 is pure FridgeHorror, especially since you're acting as an assistant defense attorney '''DEFENDING THE BIG BAD'''.
** Worse when you realize the implications had you and Shields not been around for the case. Shields only happened to be there due to his daily visit with Master. Had he not been around, who would've taken his defense? Pretty likely that Phoenix Wright himself would've likely taken such a case, especially if Edgeworth prodded him to do so. So unless he learned his lesson from Justice for All and asked some VERY specific questions to implicate Simon's indirect involvement in Knightley's murder...Nick would've been defending the BigBad of the game...AGAIN!
** A similar situation occurs when replaying AAI 2-1 after beating AAI 2-5. Turns out "President" Di-Jun Huang was a '''LOT''' worse than everyone realized... that, and the fact that Horace Knightley, as much as a despicable {{Jerkass}} he was, was just an UnwittingPawn for the BigBad's plan, the plan of someone he thought was his friend...
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* FridgeBrilliance in case 1-3, for while Edgeworth was using the [=iFly=] suitcase for the ransom. It seems rude that he's giving away something that was a gift (that he didn't want), but it has a very practical use in this situation. The colors and design of the suitcase are very eye catching, and the fact that it never sold well means that it's a rare suitcase. Assuming the kidnappers didn't think to empty the money into another bag, it serves as a giant bullseye for the police to spot the kidnappers and get the drop on them.
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* Lauren Paups' "shock" animation has her recoiling like she's been slapped. Take into account her boyfriend Lance's treatment of her coupled with the apparent threats against her that he used to coerce Colin Devorae into helping with his kidnapping plot, and [[DomesticAbuse the implications speak for themselves.]]
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* This Troper just got hit by understanding a pun stretching back to the first Phoenix Wright title while he was playing ''Ace Attorney Investigations''. In the first game, there was a creature introduced as the "mascot of the police force", the Blue Badger, a creature that looks almost but not entirely unlike a badger. It struck him as weird, but then it was Phoenix Wright, so he didn't care. Cue Case 3 of AAI, where a character observes that the word "Badge" is right in the Blue Badger's name. And then the weird shape of the Blue Badger's head suddenly made sense... and a grimace that can only be caused by being hit with a pun that has been waiting to strike for three years crossed his face. YMMV, but it hurt here.
** Well, the shape of the Blue Badger was determined by Ema Skye drawing a jar that fell during the SL-9 incident, which the chief detective used as inspiration. And while the police badge of Los Tokyo Angeles is never seen, if it resembled the Blue Badger's head, that might explain the 'Badge' in the Name. e.g. The shape of the Blue Badger determined its name, not the other way round. ~TheKayOne
*** The Blue Badger may be the shape of ''a'' badge, but definitely not the police force's badge. We have seen the badge of the police force; it's the yellow circle with the other yellow circle inside of it, and it's visible all over the place in case 1-5. Jake Marshall's poncho clasp, Mike Meekins' hat, Gant's tie and suit buttons... It also shows up briefly in Fullbright's badge, wallet, thing, and I think on a couple guards in AAI2.
* I'd heard people talking about how the last villain of ''Investigations'' was unimpressive and lacking backstory (or that their backstory didn't clearly lead to the person they had become). Then when I played through it myself, I saw this line:
--> Edgeworth: Is every life not valuable?
--> Villain: That doesn't even warrant an answer.
** Well, the shape of the Blue Badger was determined by Ema Skye drawing a jar that fell during the SL-9 incident, which the chief detective used as inspiration. And while the police badge of Los Tokyo Angeles is never seen, if it resembled the Blue Badger's head, that might explain the 'Badge' in the Name. e.g. The shape of the Blue Badger determined its name, not the other way round. ~TheKayOne
*** The Blue Badger may be the shape of ''a'' badge, but definitely not the police force's badge. We have seen the badge of the police force; it's the yellow circle with the other yellow circle inside of it, and it's visible all over the place in case 1-5. Jake Marshall's poncho clasp, Mike Meekins' hat, Gant's tie and suit buttons... It also shows up briefly in Fullbright's badge, wallet, thing, and I think on a couple guards in AAI2.
* I'd heard people talking about how the last villain of ''Investigations'' was unimpressive and lacking backstory (or that their backstory didn't clearly lead to the person they had become). Then when I played through it myself, I saw this line:
--> Edgeworth: Is every life not valuable?
--> Villain: That doesn't even warrant an answer.
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* This Troper just got hit by understanding a pun stretching back to the first Phoenix Wright title while he was playing ''Ace Attorney Investigations''. In the first game, there was a creature introduced as the "mascot There's an exchange of the police force", the Blue Badger, a creature that looks almost but not entirely unlike a badger. It struck him as weird, but then it was Phoenix Wright, so he didn't care. Cue Case 3 of AAI, where a character observes that the word "Badge" is right in the Blue Badger's name. And then the weird shape of the Blue Badger's head suddenly made sense... and a grimace that can only be caused by being hit with a pun that has been waiting to strike for three years crossed his face. YMMV, but it hurt here.
** Well, the shape of the Blue Badger was determined by Ema Skye drawing a jar that fell during the SL-9 incident, which the chief detective used as inspiration. And while the police badge of Los Tokyo Angeles is never seen, if it resembled the Blue Badger's head, that might explain the 'Badge' in the Name. e.g. The shape of the Blue Badger determined its name, not the other way round. ~TheKayOne
*** The Blue Badger may be the shape of ''a'' badge, but definitely not the police force's badge. We have seen the badge of the police force; it's the yellow circledialogue with the other yellow circle inside culprit of it, and it's visible all over the place in final case 1-5. Jake Marshall's poncho clasp, Mike Meekins' hat, Gant's tie and suit buttons... It also shows up briefly in Fullbright's badge, wallet, thing, and I think on a couple guards in AAI2.
* I'd heard people talking about how the last villain of ''Investigations'' was unimpressive and lacking backstory (orthat their backstory didn't clearly lead to the person they had become). Then when I played through it myself, I saw this line:
gives enormous insight into his actions and overall character.
--> Edgeworth: Is every lifenot valuable?
precious?
-->Villain: Alba: That doesn't even warrant an answer.
** Well, the shape of the Blue Badger was determined by Ema Skye drawing a jar that fell during the SL-9 incident, which the chief detective used as inspiration. And while the police badge of Los Tokyo Angeles is never seen, if it resembled the Blue Badger's head, that might explain the 'Badge' in the Name. e.g. The shape of the Blue Badger determined its name, not the other way round. ~TheKayOne
*** The Blue Badger may be the shape of ''a'' badge, but definitely not the police force's badge. We have seen the badge of the police force; it's the yellow circle
* I'd heard people talking about how the last villain of ''Investigations'' was unimpressive and lacking backstory (or
--> Edgeworth: Is every life
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*** There's a part where Edgeworth thinks, "how can that person be so proud, knowing they took life?" Taking life is probably related to what Alba did that got him some of those medals. The idea of "you shouldn't be proud of ending human lives" may feel different to someone who has been decorated for it.
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*** There's a part where Edgeworth thinks, "how can that person be so proud, knowing they took life?" took alife?" Taking life is probably related to what Alba did that got him some of those medals. The idea of "you shouldn't be proud of ending human lives" may feel different to someone who has been decorated for it.
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*** There's also the parallels between Edgeworth's prosecutor badge and Alba's medals. Edgeworth's distaste for this particular villain's mindset is probably at least partly rooted in his former dedication to Von Karma's belief that any underhanded tactics are acceptable if it means the prosecution gets a flawless victory every time. Edgeworth himself had to go through a lot of crap to get himself on the path to the truth while still having a frankly heroic amount of respect for his former mentor (that is, ''any at all''), and in the final confrontation with this villain, he's basically staring the future he avoided in the face.
*** Keep in mind what exactly Edgeworth's job is. The people he prosecute are often put away for life or given the death penalty. Killing for sport is exactly what prosecutors are doing by going outside of the law to get a perfect win record, exactly what Edgeworth's former mentor and to a lesser extent Edgeworth himself was doing not so long ago.
* In case I-3, Shi-Long Lang uses the fact that guns are hard to get as part of the rationality behind accusing a policeman of shooting the victim. Hence, policemen are the ones most likely to have guns. And who held Edgeworth at gunpoint in his office? A detective.
* In I-1, a piece of testimony describes two pieces of evidence from "that case the other day" - a gun and a pendant. Then I-3 rolls around and, indeed, the gun and the pendant turn out to be important pieces of evidence in that case! Hard to make the connection unless you've already seen I-3 when playing through I-1 the first time.
* This isn't FridgeBrilliance, but FridgeHorror: So the Yatagarasu goes out, finds out a companies deepest dirtiest secrets and then spills it to the press. Aside from the fact that they intend to do good... isn't that pretty much what Redd White did, minus the blackmail?
*** Keep in mind what exactly Edgeworth's job is. The people he prosecute are often put away for life or given the death penalty. Killing for sport is exactly what prosecutors are doing by going outside of the law to get a perfect win record, exactly what Edgeworth's former mentor and to a lesser extent Edgeworth himself was doing not so long ago.
* In case I-3, Shi-Long Lang uses the fact that guns are hard to get as part of the rationality behind accusing a policeman of shooting the victim. Hence, policemen are the ones most likely to have guns. And who held Edgeworth at gunpoint in his office? A detective.
* In I-1, a piece of testimony describes two pieces of evidence from "that case the other day" - a gun and a pendant. Then I-3 rolls around and, indeed, the gun and the pendant turn out to be important pieces of evidence in that case! Hard to make the connection unless you've already seen I-3 when playing through I-1 the first time.
* This isn't FridgeBrilliance, but FridgeHorror: So the Yatagarasu goes out, finds out a companies deepest dirtiest secrets and then spills it to the press. Aside from the fact that they intend to do good... isn't that pretty much what Redd White did, minus the blackmail?
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*** There's also the parallels between Edgeworth's prosecutor badge and Alba's medals. Edgeworth's distaste for this particular villain's mindset is probably at least partly rooted in his former dedication to Von Karma's belief that any underhanded tactics are acceptable if it means the prosecution gets a flawless victory every time. Edgeworth himself had to go through a lot of crap to get himself on the path to the truth while still having a frankly heroic amount of respect for his former mentor (that is, ''any at all''), and in the final confrontation with this villain, Alba, he's basically staring the future he avoided in the face.
*** Keep in mind what exactly Edgeworth's job is. The people heprosecute prosecutes are often put away for life or given the death penalty. Killing for sport is exactly what prosecutors are doing by going outside of the law to get a perfect win record, exactly what Edgeworth's former mentor and to a lesser extent Edgeworth himself was doing not so long ago.
*In case I-3, Shi-Long Lang uses the fact that guns are hard to get as part of the rationality behind accusing a policeman of shooting the victim. Hence, policemen are the ones most likely to have guns. And who held Edgeworth at gunpoint in his office? A detective.
* In I-1, a piece of testimony describes two pieces of evidence from "that case the other day" - a gun and a pendant. Then I-3 rolls around and, indeed, the gun and the pendant turn out to be important pieces of evidence in that case! Hard to make the connection unless you've already seen I-3 when playing through I-1 the first time.
* This isn't FridgeBrilliance, but FridgeHorror: So theThe Yatagarasu goes out, finds out a companies deepest dirtiest secrets and then spills it to the press. Aside from the fact that they intend to do good... isn't that pretty much what Redd White did, minus the blackmail?
*** Keep in mind what exactly Edgeworth's job is. The people he
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* In I-1, a piece of testimony describes two pieces of evidence from "that case the other day" - a gun and a pendant. Then I-3 rolls around and, indeed, the gun and the pendant turn out to be important pieces of evidence in that case! Hard to make the connection unless you've already seen I-3 when playing through I-1 the first time.
* This isn't FridgeBrilliance, but FridgeHorror: So the
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*** I just found it really odd that in-game, no one points this out. They admit it's wrong stealing and hiding evidence, but they don't mention the negative effects of revealing such secrets to the media, instead focusing on how they're "stealing the truth" and how they're "modern-day Robin Hoods". Yet when Redd White does it, because he's a bad guy, they're all quick to point out how he's destroyed lives just by ''knowing'' the information and the fact that he ''could'' reveal it to the public.
** Also, the Yatagarasu is only said to go after corporations, not individual people. Corporate dealings don't often get blamed on any one person within that corporation.
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** Related to that scene, Franziska accuses him of tainting the von Karma name by committing murder. But von Karma did the same thing years ago. Is she actively repressing or does she believe that her own father is no longer a proper von Karma?
** This troper thinks that Franziska considers the von Karma name to be above her father's ways. While she isn't the BEST person in the world (she's upset at losing, she conceals testimonies etc.) she probably had no idea beforehand that her father forged evidence and made illegal deals to win cases. I believe that going this far to win was above even Franziska, as evidence when she says that a von Karma should never break the law. Also, she actually at one point states her disgust at how "attorneys defend criminals". To this troper at least, this represents how Franziska ACTUALLY DOES want the truth to be found but she is in denial. When it turns out her version of events are wrong, she still wants to think that the true killer is the defendant even with evidence piled against that fact. Not because she wants a guilty verdict (although it's stated several times she does her job to solely get guilty verdicts, this is probably her naivity talking and she thinks that all those who are arrested are arrested because they are guilty) but because she doesn't want to think that she's made a mistake in her accusations.
** ''Investigations 2'' shows that Franziska had ''no idea'' her father was willing to forge evidence to win cases. It's entirely possible that, until the point her father's truth is revealed to her, she believed he was just an extremely intimidating prosecutor that otherwise did no wrong... and why not thinking he was unfairly convicted? After all, "defense attorneys would do anything to make the guilty party look innocent".
* Fridge Badassery: It would be badass for anyone to respond to a gun at their back with defiance rather than obvious fear. However, Edgeworth's father was killed by a gunshot wound while Edgeworth (a mere ten years old) was unconscious next to him. Edgeworth spent the next fifteen years hearing the sound of a gunshot in his nightmares, because he believed that he'd accidentally murdered his own father. He's terrified of both earthquakes and elevators due to their mere association with the event. So when Edgeworth shrugs off a warning shot with "No one commits murder in my office", you know he's now got ice-water in his veins.
** He was also threatened with a gun by Calisto Yew seven years prior, and there he was so terrified that he completely froze up and had to be pushed out of the way by someone else, making his calm handling of the situation with Detective Badd a rather strange example of character development.
** Of course, by this point he's.... relived his fear of earthquakes, unexpectedly encountered a body, been accused of murder, solved a murder (under a time limit, since he'd be convicted when the plane lands), been ambushed in a haunted house, taken a TapOnTheHead, been abducted, reunited with an old friend, reunited with ''Oldbag'', reunited with a GenkiGirl he just vaguely remembers, reunited with Franziska, met an Interpol agent who arrests first and asks questions later, found ''another'' body, solved ''another'' murder, and learned that it all has the common thread of a smuggling ring. This is all over the course of two days, with this unknown assailant and a body in his office being on the third day. One can imagine that his first reaction to finding ''yet another'' body and being held at gunpoint in his own office would be "''What '''NOW'''''?"
* Just a minor one, but still quite interesting. In your second case you get Cammy Meele as your partner. At my first playthrough I wondered, why she didn't follow you around like the other partners. Obviously she is the killer. At the end it suddenly struck me: She wasn't trying to help you finding the truth, she was purposely misLEADING the main character's investigation for her own ends, instead of following him.
** Also, she may seem stupid for wanting to do cleaning on the obviously clean and underused gift shop, but this is ObfuscatingStupidity, and she presumably wanted to remove the last traces that might incriminate her for killing Akbey Hicks.
** In the gift shop, Cammy recommends that Edgeworth use a stuffed animal for stress relief. Remember how, upon being found out as the murderer, she talks about how scared she was of being caught in the smuggling ring, and suddenly the fact that she carries her own stuffed animal around for the entire case makes sense.
* Fridge tearjerker and easter egg: In case 3, after the stage is rebuilt, you can see a sign for Troupe Gramarye, most likely the next show coming up. Since three years have gone since the first game and Phoenix Wright's first stretch as an attorney was three years...that show might have been either their last show or never happened.
** This troper thinks that Franziska considers the von Karma name to be above her father's ways. While she isn't the BEST person in the world (she's upset at losing, she conceals testimonies etc.) she probably had no idea beforehand that her father forged evidence and made illegal deals to win cases. I believe that going this far to win was above even Franziska, as evidence when she says that a von Karma should never break the law. Also, she actually at one point states her disgust at how "attorneys defend criminals". To this troper at least, this represents how Franziska ACTUALLY DOES want the truth to be found but she is in denial. When it turns out her version of events are wrong, she still wants to think that the true killer is the defendant even with evidence piled against that fact. Not because she wants a guilty verdict (although it's stated several times she does her job to solely get guilty verdicts, this is probably her naivity talking and she thinks that all those who are arrested are arrested because they are guilty) but because she doesn't want to think that she's made a mistake in her accusations.
** ''Investigations 2'' shows that Franziska had ''no idea'' her father was willing to forge evidence to win cases. It's entirely possible that, until the point her father's truth is revealed to her, she believed he was just an extremely intimidating prosecutor that otherwise did no wrong... and why not thinking he was unfairly convicted? After all, "defense attorneys would do anything to make the guilty party look innocent".
* Fridge Badassery: It would be badass for anyone to respond to a gun at their back with defiance rather than obvious fear. However, Edgeworth's father was killed by a gunshot wound while Edgeworth (a mere ten years old) was unconscious next to him. Edgeworth spent the next fifteen years hearing the sound of a gunshot in his nightmares, because he believed that he'd accidentally murdered his own father. He's terrified of both earthquakes and elevators due to their mere association with the event. So when Edgeworth shrugs off a warning shot with "No one commits murder in my office", you know he's now got ice-water in his veins.
** He was also threatened with a gun by Calisto Yew seven years prior, and there he was so terrified that he completely froze up and had to be pushed out of the way by someone else, making his calm handling of the situation with Detective Badd a rather strange example of character development.
** Of course, by this point he's.... relived his fear of earthquakes, unexpectedly encountered a body, been accused of murder, solved a murder (under a time limit, since he'd be convicted when the plane lands), been ambushed in a haunted house, taken a TapOnTheHead, been abducted, reunited with an old friend, reunited with ''Oldbag'', reunited with a GenkiGirl he just vaguely remembers, reunited with Franziska, met an Interpol agent who arrests first and asks questions later, found ''another'' body, solved ''another'' murder, and learned that it all has the common thread of a smuggling ring. This is all over the course of two days, with this unknown assailant and a body in his office being on the third day. One can imagine that his first reaction to finding ''yet another'' body and being held at gunpoint in his own office would be "''What '''NOW'''''?"
* Just a minor one, but still quite interesting. In your second case you get Cammy Meele as your partner. At my first playthrough I wondered, why she didn't follow you around like the other partners. Obviously she is the killer. At the end it suddenly struck me: She wasn't trying to help you finding the truth, she was purposely misLEADING the main character's investigation for her own ends, instead of following him.
** Also, she may seem stupid for wanting to do cleaning on the obviously clean and underused gift shop, but this is ObfuscatingStupidity, and she presumably wanted to remove the last traces that might incriminate her for killing Akbey Hicks.
** In the gift shop, Cammy recommends that Edgeworth use a stuffed animal for stress relief. Remember how, upon being found out as the murderer, she talks about how scared she was of being caught in the smuggling ring, and suddenly the fact that she carries her own stuffed animal around for the entire case makes sense.
* Fridge tearjerker and easter egg: In case 3, after the stage is rebuilt, you can see a sign for Troupe Gramarye, most likely the next show coming up. Since three years have gone since the first game and Phoenix Wright's first stretch as an attorney was three years...that show might have been either their last show or never happened.
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** This troper thinks that Franziska considers the von Karma name to be above her father's ways. While she isn't the BEST person in the world (she's upset at losing, she conceals testimonies etc.) she probably had no idea beforehand that her father forged evidence and made illegal deals to win cases. I believe that going this far to win was above even Franziska, as evidence when she says that a von Karma should never break the law. Also, she actually at one point states her disgust at how "attorneys defend criminals". To this troper at least, this represents how Franziska ACTUALLY DOES want the truth to be found but she is in denial.
** ''Investigations 2'' shows that Franziska had ''no idea'' her father was willing to forge evidence to win cases. It's entirely possible that, until the point her father's truth is revealed to her, she believed he was just an extremely intimidating prosecutor that otherwise did no wrong... and why not thinking he was unfairly convicted? After all, "defense attorneys would do anything to make the guilty party look innocent".
* Fridge Badassery: It would be badass for anyone to respond to a gun at their back with defiance rather than obvious fear. However, Edgeworth's father was killed by a gunshot wound while Edgeworth (a mere ten years old) was unconscious next to him. Edgeworth spent the next fifteen years hearing the sound of a gunshot in his nightmares, because he believed that he'd accidentally murdered his own father. He's terrified of both earthquakes and elevators due to their mere association with the event. So when Edgeworth shrugs off a warning shot with "No one commits murder in my office", you know he's now got ice-water in his veins.
** He was also threatened with a gun by Calisto Yew seven years prior, and there he was so terrified that he completely froze up and had to be pushed out of the way by someone else, making his calm handling of the situation with Detective Badd a rather strange example of character development.
** Of course, by this point he's.... relived his fear of earthquakes, unexpectedly encountered a body, been accused of murder, solved a murder (under a time limit, since he'd be convicted when the plane lands), been ambushed in a haunted house, taken a TapOnTheHead, been abducted, reunited with an old friend, reunited with ''Oldbag'', reunited with a GenkiGirl he just vaguely remembers, reunited with Franziska, met an Interpol agent who arrests first and asks questions later, found ''another'' body, solved ''another'' murder, and learned that it all has the common thread of a smuggling ring. This is all over the course of two days, with this unknown assailant and a body in his office being on the third day. One can imagine that his first reaction to finding ''yet another'' body and being held at gunpoint in his own office would be "''What '''NOW'''''?"
* Just a minor one, but still quite interesting. In your second case you get Cammy Meele as your partner. At my first playthrough I wondered, why she didn't follow you around like the other partners. Obviously she is the killer. At the end it suddenly struck me: She wasn't trying to help you finding the truth, she was purposely misLEADING the main character's investigation for her own ends, instead of following him.
** Also, she may seem stupid for wanting to do cleaning on the obviously clean and underused gift shop, but this is ObfuscatingStupidity, and she presumably wanted to remove the last traces that might incriminate her for killing Akbey Hicks.
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** Double poignant when you realize "Calisto" and Shih-na have completely different skin tones. If the paler Shih-na tone is her natural skin color then sweating off her makeup would blow years of undercover work.
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** Double Doubly poignant when you realize "Calisto" and Shih-na have completely different skin tones. If the paler Shih-na tone is her natural skin color then sweating off her makeup would blow years of undercover work.
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** Notably, von Karma's wound was in his right shoulder, whereas Alba's was in the left shoulder.
* It can be difficult to figure this out the first time you play I-4, but the reason that Rell accused prosecutor Faraday of being Yatagarasu and of instructing him to kill Mann might be that Calisto told him to.
** It's also an interesting twist on the series' tendency to accuse the prosecutor. This time, the guilty party is doing it to an innocent, as opposed to the protagonist doing it to the actual guilty party.
*** It's actually a DoubleSubversion when it becomes apparent that Faraday actually was the Yatagarasu, which means the accusation of him being the Yatagarasu is completely genuine. Furthermore, Rell's claim that the Yatagarasu told him to kill Mann is also true, because Calisto is also the Yatagarasu and she did tell him to do it.
* It can be difficult to figure this out the first time you play I-4, but the reason that Rell accused prosecutor Faraday of being Yatagarasu and of instructing him to kill Mann might be that Calisto told him to.
** It's also an interesting twist on the series' tendency to accuse the prosecutor. This time, the guilty party is doing it to an innocent, as opposed to the protagonist doing it to the actual guilty party.
*** It's actually a DoubleSubversion when it becomes apparent that Faraday actually was the Yatagarasu, which means the accusation of him being the Yatagarasu is completely genuine. Furthermore, Rell's claim that the Yatagarasu told him to kill Mann is also true, because Calisto is also the Yatagarasu and she did tell him to do it.
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** It's also an interesting twist on the series' tendency to accuse the prosecutor. This time, the guilty party is doing it to an innocent, as opposed to the protagonist doing it to the actual guilty party.
*** It's actually a DoubleSubversion when it becomes apparent that Faraday actually was the Yatagarasu, which means the accusation of him being the Yatagarasu is completely genuine. Furthermore, Rell's claim
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* In ''Turnabout Ablaze'' when talking to Ambassador Palaeno about the victim Manny Coachen, he said of how he was a very competent assistant, which in retrospect, allows him to work behind his back. This becomes a bit of a {{Foreshadowing}} in revealing Shih-na as TheMole.
* In the Phoenix Wright games, there are guards in the defendant lobbies. In AAI case 4, which is chronologically the earliest playable case in the series (outside Japan), there are no guards in the lobbies. I wonder what could have happened that lead them to add guards there?
** Most likely, the murders of Byrne Faraday and Mack Rell.
** On another vein, there's the often-pointed out fact that conflict of interest never seems to show up in the series, often having prosecutors being accused of murder yet still prosecuting the case. The only time conflict of interest is known to be applied ended up with the prosecutor and the defendant dead...
* In the Phoenix Wright games, there are guards in the defendant lobbies. In AAI case 4, which is chronologically the earliest playable case in the series (outside Japan), there are no guards in the lobbies. I wonder what could have happened that lead them to add guards there?
** Most likely, the murders of Byrne Faraday and Mack Rell.
** On another vein, there's the often-pointed out fact that conflict of interest never seems to show up in the series, often having prosecutors being accused of murder yet still prosecuting the case. The only time conflict of interest is known to be applied ended up with the prosecutor and the defendant dead...
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* In ''Turnabout Ablaze'' when talking to Ambassador Palaeno about the victim case 5, it's repeatedly mentioned that Manny Coachen, he said of how he Coachen's hypercompetence and the blind faith that was a very placed in him were what allowed him to manage the smuggling ring without arousing suspicion. This foreshadows that Shih-na, Lang's trusted and competent assistant, which in retrospect, allows him secretary, also turns out to work behind his back. This becomes be a bit of a {{Foreshadowing}} in revealing Shih-na as TheMole.
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* The defendantlobbies. In AAI lobbies are shown to be devoid of any supervision during case 4, which is chronologically despite that the earliest playable bailifs have been there in every other case in the series (outside Japan), there are no guards in series. Of course, the lobbies. I wonder what could have murder in case I-4 only happened that lead them to add guards there?
** Most likely,because the murders of Byrne Faraday and Mack Rell.
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* It's mentioned that Raymond Shields was invited by Gregory to witness the IS-7 trial, which would then lead to DL-6 on the same day. If that's the case, where was he when Gregory, Miles and Yanni Yogi were in the elevator? It's likely that he left early or took the stairs.
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* It's mentioned that Raymond Shields was invited by Gregory to witness the IS-7 trial, which would then lead to DL-6 on the same day. one year later. If that's the case, where was he when Gregory, Miles and Yanni Yogi were in the elevator? It's likely that he was absent that day, left early or took the stairs.
