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26th Aug '16 12:30:51 AM PrincessGwen
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** Why was Scrooge, of all people, given this special chance for redemption? Specially if, as Marley claimed, Scrooge's chains (sins) were heavier than his.

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** Why was Scrooge, of all people, given this special chance for redemption? Specially Especially if, as Marley claimed, Scrooge's chains (sins) were heavier than his.



** No, there's no line like that, Scrooge has no illusions about what people think of him, he just didnt care in life, but that doesnt mean he expected people to joke and laugh about his death and looting his corpse. He might have been less shocked if there was simple grim indifference to his passing. Also, keep in mind that the story's point is that Scrooge wasnt evil or uncaring by nature, he was originally a good man who had been worn down and twisted by a hard life and his own greed. In some dark corner of his soul, Scrooge didnt really ''want'' to be remembered like that.

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** No, there's no line like that, Scrooge has no illusions about what people think of him, he just didnt didn't care in life, but that doesnt doesn't mean he expected people to joke and laugh about his death and looting his corpse. He might have been less shocked if there was simple simply grim indifference to his passing. Also, keep in mind that the story's point is that Scrooge wasnt wasn't evil or uncaring by nature, he was originally a good man who had been worn down and twisted by a hard life and his own greed. In some dark corner of his soul, Scrooge didnt didn't really ''want'' to be remembered like that.



** Back in the second half of the 19th century there wheren't any health insurances avaible in England, they simply wheren't existing yet and thus doctors where very expensive, to expensive for a family who had to survive on Bobs slim salary and possibly of what his wive earned as well. With Scrooges support on the other hand they where able to afford proper doctors and medicine to help Tiny Tim.

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** Back in the second half of the 19th century because there wheren't weren't any health insurances avaible available in England, they simply wheren't existing yet and thus doctors where were very expensive, to too expensive for a family who had to survive on Bobs Bob's slim salary and possibly of what his wive wife earned as well. With Scrooges Scrooge's support on the other hand hand, they where were able to afford proper doctors and medicine to help Tiny Tim.
20th Apr '16 12:55:17 AM wusch
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** Back in the second half of the 19th century there wheren't any health insurances avaible in England, they simply wheren't existing yet and thus doctors where very expensive, to expensive for a family who had to survive on Bobs slim salary and possibly of what his wive earned as well. With Scrooges support on the other hand they where able to afford proper doctors and medicine to help Tiny Tim.
19th Jan '16 12:08:02 PM HighCrate
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* At the end of the story, Marley is still damned to eternal torment, even after going to bat for Scrooge in the afterlife. Marley specifically states that Scrooge's second chance is "of Marley's procuring." So, if Scrooge had happened to die first, would it have been a Scrooge ghost damned to eternal torment and Marley having Christmas adventures with three spirits after his good damned buddy Scrooge interceded for him? The salvation of a man's soul comes down to a coin flip? Now there's a chilling thought.
25th Dec '15 10:31:46 AM Sharlee
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* Scrooge resents Cratchett's request for a day off on Christmas, and it's treated as the act of a cold-hearted jerk. Yet both his journey with the Ghost of Christmas Present and his actions immediately after waking up on Christmas morning show that London's markets are all open for business. So why is it cruel to ask an accountant to work on the holiday, but perfectly all right to expect the city's grocers and butchers to be on the job rather than home celebrating?

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* Scrooge resents Cratchett's Bob's request for a day off on Christmas, and it's treated as the act of a cold-hearted jerk. Yet both his journey with the Ghost of Christmas Present and his actions immediately after waking up on Christmas morning show that London's markets are all open for business. So why is it cruel to ask an accountant to work on the holiday, but perfectly all right to expect the city's grocers and butchers to be on the job rather than home celebrating?
25th Dec '15 10:30:40 AM Sharlee
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* What was Tiny Tim going to die of? While his family was poor, they didn't seem to be suffering of malnutrition, and there's no mention of Scrooge paying for any life-saving medical treatment. So, his family having more money saved him? How?

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* What was Tiny Tim going to die of? While his family was poor, they didn't seem to be suffering of malnutrition, and there's no mention of Scrooge paying for any life-saving medical treatment. So, his family having more money saved him? How?How?
* Scrooge resents Cratchett's request for a day off on Christmas, and it's treated as the act of a cold-hearted jerk. Yet both his journey with the Ghost of Christmas Present and his actions immediately after waking up on Christmas morning show that London's markets are all open for business. So why is it cruel to ask an accountant to work on the holiday, but perfectly all right to expect the city's grocers and butchers to be on the job rather than home celebrating?
24th Dec '15 7:41:08 AM backpack
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*** Not simply "perhaps," but almost certainly. Remember, he died on Christmas Eve. In the new timeline he'd almost certainly be having dinner with Fred.
23rd Dec '15 9:59:12 AM backpack
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** No, there's no line like that, Scrooge has no illusions about what people think of him, he just didnt care in life, but that doesnt mean he expected people to joke and laugh about his death and looting his corpse. He might have been less shocked if there was simple grim indifference to his passing. Also, keep in mind that the story's point is that Scrooge wasnt evil or uncaring by nature, he was originally a good man who had been worn down and twisted by a hard life and his own greed. In some dark corner of his soul, Scrooge didnt really ''want'' to be remembered like that.

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** No, there's no line like that, Scrooge has no illusions about what people think of him, he just didnt care in life, but that doesnt mean he expected people to joke and laugh about his death and looting his corpse. He might have been less shocked if there was simple grim indifference to his passing. Also, keep in mind that the story's point is that Scrooge wasnt evil or uncaring by nature, he was originally a good man who had been worn down and twisted by a hard life and his own greed. In some dark corner of his soul, Scrooge didnt really ''want'' to be remembered like that.that.
* What was Tiny Tim going to die of? While his family was poor, they didn't seem to be suffering of malnutrition, and there's no mention of Scrooge paying for any life-saving medical treatment. So, his family having more money saved him? How?
19th Dec '15 12:27:19 AM Masterdramon
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** Alternatively, it's explicitly stated that Scrooge originally died "lying gasping out his last there, alone by himself." His attempts to push everyone away left him completely alone in the end, with no one to take care of him. Perhaps, in the "new" future, the attack that would've killed him occurred while he was in the friendly company of Fred or Bob - meaning they could fetch him a doctor and/or help nurse him back to health.
18th Dec '15 7:30:30 PM TheMeteorKing
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* It confused this troper for years that with the present unaltered, Scrooge would have been dead by next Christmas, but the ending implies that he lived for many more years. Then I learn that having a loser, more relaxed lease on life, as reformed Scrooge did, can lead to lower blood-pressure, being less likely to suffer from strokes and heart attacks, and overall improved health. Going further, the course of his death in the unaltered timeline was not his age as this troper had grown up thinking, it could have been anything from his high blood-pressure to the stress on his heart. Marley really did give Scrooge a second chance; by prolonging his life to give him more time to repent.

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* It confused this troper for years that with the present unaltered, Scrooge would have been dead by next Christmas, but the ending implies that he lived for many more years. Then I learn that having a loser, looser, more relaxed lease on life, as reformed Scrooge did, can lead to lower blood-pressure, being less likely to suffer from strokes and heart attacks, and overall improved health. Going further, the course of his death in the unaltered timeline was not his age as this troper had grown up thinking, it could have been anything from his high blood-pressure to the stress on his heart. Marley really did give Scrooge a second chance; by prolonging his life to give him more time to repent.
15th Sep '14 7:29:19 PM SilentStranger
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** I confess I've never read the original story myself, so it is possible I could be thinking of something else, but isn't there a line in the beginning explicitly stating that Scrooge considered himself a pillar of the community? Bit of a kick in the teeth to have one's self image shattered like that, really.

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** I confess I've never read the original story myself, so it is possible I could be thinking of something else, but isn't there a line in the beginning explicitly stating that Scrooge considered himself a pillar of the community? Bit of a kick in the teeth to have one's self image shattered like that, really.really.
** No, there's no line like that, Scrooge has no illusions about what people think of him, he just didnt care in life, but that doesnt mean he expected people to joke and laugh about his death and looting his corpse. He might have been less shocked if there was simple grim indifference to his passing. Also, keep in mind that the story's point is that Scrooge wasnt evil or uncaring by nature, he was originally a good man who had been worn down and twisted by a hard life and his own greed. In some dark corner of his soul, Scrooge didnt really ''want'' to be remembered like that.
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