History Fridge / AChristmasCarol

11th Feb '18 5:36:47 PM PaulA
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* There is a layer of subtle terror in Zemeckis' depiction of the Ghost of Christmas Future as an incorporeal shadow. With this spirit Scrooge has no companion to serve as a guide or confidant to share his thoughts. At the beginning when Scrooge talked to the charity men, he said he wished to be left alone, and now he truly is alone.
* In the 2009 Disney adaptation Scrooge takes the pennies off Jacob Marley's eyes. The pennies used as fare to get to the other side to face judgement.



* In the 2009 version, we see Ignorance and Want grown to adulthood. Ignorance seems to spend his life in and out of jail, while Want, a girl, possibly goes down another path of ill-repute. The Brilliance comes when Scrooge is dealing with the Ghost of Christmas Yet To Come, and sees the two people picking through his belongings once he's dead. They look a lot like Ignorance and Want.
** Want also gets put in a straitjacket, suggesting a mental asylum. Some venereal diseases--syphilis, particularly--have that effect on the brain and, by extension, the mind.

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* In the 2009 version, we see Ignorance and Want grown to adulthood. Ignorance seems to spend his life in and out of jail, while Want, a girl, possibly goes down another path of ill-repute. The Brilliance comes when Scrooge is dealing with the Ghost of Christmas Yet To Come, and sees the two people picking through his belongings once he's dead. They look a lot like Ignorance and Want.
** Want also gets put in a straitjacket, suggesting a mental asylum. Some venereal diseases--syphilis, particularly--have that effect on the brain and, by extension, the mind.
22nd Dec '17 2:16:05 PM Statzkeen
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** Does it ever say that Yet To Come only moves 1 year into the future?
2nd Dec '17 7:45:13 PM sonar1313
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** If he'd gotten the Ghosts in backwards order, and Yet To Come came first, he probably wouldn't actually have been too upset about dying alone and hated. Dying, maybe - but the alone and hated part, though, not so much. Dickens makes it clear he's an old misanthrope who prefers people just keep their distance. But by the time Scrooge gets this last visit, his reformation is nearly complete. Past and Present have done most of the work. It's even mentioned that he's been resolving to change and expects to see the changed version of himself in the future visions. Not seeing it is part of the final shock that cements all the lessons in place for good. Past and Present stripped away all the armor and stone and left him vulnerable, and that last shock can now have the intended effect.



*** For that matter, it's also mentioned that many people had to go to "the baker's" to have their bird cooked for them. Not everyone had an oven, either.



** Scrooge is as stingy about spending money on his own comfort as he is about everything else, so his house doesn't really have much worth stealing -- enough for a bit of easy opportunistic post-mortem looting by the servants who found his body, but not worth the greater trouble and risk of breaking in and burglarizing the place. As for his business, it isn't described in enough detail to say whether or not there would be cash or portable valuables on site. His money would be in the bank, which isn't an easy target.

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** Scrooge is as stingy about spending money on his own comfort as he is about everything else, so his house doesn't really have much worth stealing -- enough for a bit of easy opportunistic post-mortem looting by the servants who found his body, but not worth the greater trouble and risk of breaking in and burglarizing the place. As for his business, it isn't described in enough detail to say whether or not there would be cash or portable valuables on site. His money would be in the bank, which isn't an easy target.target.
** Scrooge doesn't live in much of a place. He only has a few rooms in a hidden-away, back-alley building that's let out for other purposes as well. Not likely to attract burglars.
9th Jun '17 9:43:39 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* The ghosts (depending on the adaptation) often bear some semblance to either Ebenezer himself, or to the aspect of Scrooge's life they represent: the candle/glowing figure of the past is indistinct yet bright, because he does not wish to remember the past yet cannot forget it; the large and boisterous ghost of the present often either somewhat looks like a "jolly fat" version of Scrooge or otherwise depicts what a man with his life could be doing if he had the Christmas spirit; so why does the ghost of the future not just look "shadowy and indistinct" but rather ''explicitly'' like the GrimReaper? Well, when you're Scrooge's age, especially in that time frame, there's really only one thing you can expect in the future...

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* The ghosts (depending on the adaptation) often bear some semblance to either Ebenezer himself, or to the aspect of Scrooge's life they represent: the candle/glowing figure of the past is indistinct yet bright, because he does not wish to remember the past yet cannot forget it; the large and boisterous ghost of the present often either somewhat looks like a "jolly fat" version of Scrooge or otherwise depicts what a man with his life could be doing if he had the Christmas spirit; so why does the ghost of the future not just look "shadowy and indistinct" but rather ''explicitly'' like the GrimReaper? TheGrimReaper? Well, when you're Scrooge's age, especially in that time frame, there's really only one thing you can expect in the future...
1st Jun '17 4:05:34 AM StarTropes
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* Pointed out elsewhere on this wiki, and pertaining to Scrooge's line how if the poor are going to die, "they had better do it and decrease the surplus population" (which has already been thrown back in his face by the Ghost of Christmas Present). When the Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come shows him the Cratchit family mourning Tiny Tim's death, that line is probably still in his mind. What must he be thinking?
30th Dec '16 11:00:02 PM pwiegle
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* It might seem confusing, that with the present unaltered, Scrooge would have been dead by next Christmas, but the ending implies that he lived for many more years.However, having a looser, more relaxed lease on life, as reformed Scrooge did, can lead to lower blood-pressure, being less likely to suffer from strokes and heart attacks, and overall improved health. Going further, the course of his death in the unaltered timeline was not his age as one might have thought. It could have been anything from his high blood-pressure to the stress on his heart. Marley really did give Scrooge a second chance; by prolonging his life to give him more time to repent.

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* It might seem confusing, that with the present unaltered, Scrooge would have been dead by next Christmas, but the ending implies that he lived for many more years. However, having a looser, more relaxed lease on life, as reformed Scrooge did, can lead to lower blood-pressure, being less likely to suffer from strokes and heart attacks, and overall improved health. Going further, the course cause of his death in the unaltered timeline was not his age as one might have thought. It could have been anything from his high blood-pressure to the stress on his heart.heart, to living in an unheated house and eating nothing but cheap gruel. Marley really did give Scrooge a second chance; by prolonging his life to give him more time to repent.
24th Dec '16 7:24:20 PM SteveMB
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* If Scrooge was such a wealthy man, holed up all by himself in a dusty old house without servants, and had made himself so deeply hated by the substantial fraction of the city's population that owed him money, why ''wasn't'' he robbed and/or murdered, ages ago? He won't even pay for enough coal to keep his accountant's ink from freezing, so it doesn't seem likely he'd hire a security agency to keep an eye on his house, or shell out dues to a neighborhood vigilance committee. Never mind ghosts: you'd think ''some'' burglar would bust into his home or counting-house to lighten his future burden of cashbox-chains, or an irate debtor with nothing to lose would kick down his door and pound the old grouch into paste upon receiving their final eviction notice.

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* If Scrooge was such a wealthy man, holed up all by himself in a dusty old house without servants, and had made himself so deeply hated by the substantial fraction of the city's population that owed him money, why ''wasn't'' he robbed and/or murdered, ages ago? He won't even pay for enough coal to keep his accountant's ink from freezing, so it doesn't seem likely he'd hire a security agency to keep an eye on his house, or shell out dues to a neighborhood vigilance committee. Never mind ghosts: you'd think ''some'' burglar would bust into his home or counting-house to lighten his future burden of cashbox-chains, or an irate debtor with nothing to lose would kick down his door and pound the old grouch into paste upon receiving their final eviction notice.notice.
** Scrooge is as stingy about spending money on his own comfort as he is about everything else, so his house doesn't really have much worth stealing -- enough for a bit of easy opportunistic post-mortem looting by the servants who found his body, but not worth the greater trouble and risk of breaking in and burglarizing the place. As for his business, it isn't described in enough detail to say whether or not there would be cash or portable valuables on site. His money would be in the bank, which isn't an easy target.
21st Dec '16 1:04:02 PM Sharlee
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* If Scrooge was such a wealthy man, holed up all by himself in a dusty old house without servants, and had made himself so deeply hated by the substantial fraction of the city's population that owed him money, why ''wasn't'' he robbed and/or murdered, ages ago? He won't even pay for enough coal to keep his accountant's ink from freezing, so it doesn't seem likely he'd hire a security agency to keep an eye on his house, or shell out dues to a neighborhood vigilance society. Never mind ghosts: you'd think ''some'' burglar would bust into his home or counting-house to lighten his future burden of cashbox-chains, or an irate debtor with nothing to lose would kick down his door and pound the old grouch into paste upon receiving their final eviction notice.

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* If Scrooge was such a wealthy man, holed up all by himself in a dusty old house without servants, and had made himself so deeply hated by the substantial fraction of the city's population that owed him money, why ''wasn't'' he robbed and/or murdered, ages ago? He won't even pay for enough coal to keep his accountant's ink from freezing, so it doesn't seem likely he'd hire a security agency to keep an eye on his house, or shell out dues to a neighborhood vigilance society.committee. Never mind ghosts: you'd think ''some'' burglar would bust into his home or counting-house to lighten his future burden of cashbox-chains, or an irate debtor with nothing to lose would kick down his door and pound the old grouch into paste upon receiving their final eviction notice.
21st Dec '16 1:02:40 PM Sharlee
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* If Scrooge was such a wealthy man, holed up all by himself in a dusty old house without servants, and had made himself so deeply hated by the substantial fraction of the city's population that owed him money, why ''wasn't'' he robbed and/or murdered, ages ago? He won't even pay for enough coal to keep his accountant's ink from freezing, so it doesn't seem likely he'd hire a security agency to keep an eye on his house, or shell out dues to a neighborhood vigilance society. Never mind ghosts: you'd think ''some'' burglar would bust into his home or counting-house to lighten his future burden of cashbox-chains, or an irate debtor would kick down his door and pound the guy into paste upon receiving their final eviction notice.

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* If Scrooge was such a wealthy man, holed up all by himself in a dusty old house without servants, and had made himself so deeply hated by the substantial fraction of the city's population that owed him money, why ''wasn't'' he robbed and/or murdered, ages ago? He won't even pay for enough coal to keep his accountant's ink from freezing, so it doesn't seem likely he'd hire a security agency to keep an eye on his house, or shell out dues to a neighborhood vigilance society. Never mind ghosts: you'd think ''some'' burglar would bust into his home or counting-house to lighten his future burden of cashbox-chains, or an irate debtor with nothing to lose would kick down his door and pound the guy old grouch into paste upon receiving their final eviction notice.
21st Dec '16 1:02:12 PM Sharlee
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* If Scrooge was such a wealthy man, holed up all by himself in a dusty old house without servants, and had made himself so deeply hated by the substantial fraction of the city's population that owed him money, why ''wasn't'' he robbed and/or murdered, ages ago? He won't even pay for enough coal to keep his accountant's ink from freezing, so it doesn't seem likely he'd hire a security agency to keep an eye on his house, or shell out dues to a neighborhood vigilance society. Never mind ghosts, you'd think ''some'' burglar would bust into his home or counting-house to lighten his future burden of cashbox-chains, or that some irate debtor would kick down his door and pound him into paste upon receiving their final eviction notice.

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* If Scrooge was such a wealthy man, holed up all by himself in a dusty old house without servants, and had made himself so deeply hated by the substantial fraction of the city's population that owed him money, why ''wasn't'' he robbed and/or murdered, ages ago? He won't even pay for enough coal to keep his accountant's ink from freezing, so it doesn't seem likely he'd hire a security agency to keep an eye on his house, or shell out dues to a neighborhood vigilance society. Never mind ghosts, ghosts: you'd think ''some'' burglar would bust into his home or counting-house to lighten his future burden of cashbox-chains, or that some an irate debtor would kick down his door and pound him the guy into paste upon receiving their final eviction notice.
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