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* In ''Fanfic/{{Reality Check|MHA}}'', Shinsou's belief that he's constantly being persecuted for his {{Brainwashing}} Quirk proves to be his biggest FatalFlaw. As far as he's concerned, none of his problems are [[NeverMyFault ever HIS fault]]; it's just that everyone else hates, despises and fears him for reasons completely beyond his control. Both All Might and Principal Nedzu try to help him realize that his troubled past doesn't give him the right to lash out at his peers or abuse his powers, but Shinsou ignores their warnings until the consequences catch up to him and [[spoiler:all of his teammates for the final exam declare that they'd sooner quit than be forced to work with somebody they don't trust]].
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* ''Fanfic/TheChosenSix'':
** As Sirius puts it, while it is true that Magical Britain's FantasticRacism against werewolves is sickening, it does not excuse Fenrir Greyback and his pack's actions.
** When Peter Pettigrew reveals he sold out James, Lily, and Harry to Voldemort because he resented the rest of the Marauders for looking down on him and never treating him as an equal, Sirius admits that they were all wrong to treat him like that but points out that still doesn't excuse Peter's betrayal of the Potters and being an accessory for murder.
** When the Six learn of what Merope Gaunt did to Tom Riddle Senior, they agree that no matter how horrible her life was, it was no excuse to force someone into a relationship.
** As Sirius puts it, while it is true that Magical Britain's FantasticRacism against werewolves is sickening, it does not excuse Fenrir Greyback and his pack's actions.
** When Peter Pettigrew reveals he sold out James, Lily, and Harry to Voldemort because he resented the rest of the Marauders for looking down on him and never treating him as an equal, Sirius admits that they were all wrong to treat him like that but points out that still doesn't excuse Peter's betrayal of the Potters and being an accessory for murder.
** When the Six learn of what Merope Gaunt did to Tom Riddle Senior, they agree that no matter how horrible her life was, it was no excuse to force someone into a relationship.
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* ''Fanfic/EndOfTheLine'': Everyone is made aware that Dabi was another victim of Endeavor's tyrannical abuse, and while the media tries to play it up, the actual cast is firmly of the belief that it doesn't justify him becoming a supervillain with a serious kill count. Even his siblings bring up how there were other alternatives to bringing the abusive monster to justice without him turning into another monster in the long run.
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* ''Fanfic/TheMakingsOfTeamCRME'': Cinder Fall is given a FreudianExcuse in the form of her abusive mother from ''Fanfic/MyNameIsCinder''. However, it only explains why she is such a sociopath. The fact that she becomes exponentially worse than her mother in the show and in ''Fanfic/{{CRME}}'' nullifies any potential sympathy that she could have. Mercury even calls her out on this when he catches her abusing Emerald.
-->'''Mercury:''' You know, it just amuses me that you talk about how terrible your mom was, but [[LikeFatherLikeSon you seem to be a lot more like her than you think]].
* ''Fanfic/RWBYDestinyOfRemnant'': Adam Taurus [[spoiler:was taken to a slave labor camp owned by the Schnee Dust Company alongside his family, forced to endure the abuse and humiliation as slaves for years. After several horrific events throughout Adam's time as a slave[[note]]Adam's father would be killed in an insurrection, leading to the rest of the family getting branded. The slavers amputate the horns of Adam's mother in front of his sister Lily, traumatizing her. When the slaves outlived their usefulness, Adam's mother sacrificed herself to save her children. Adam and Lily would board a ship to Vale, only for Lily to pass away and for the ship's crew to dump her body in the ocean.[[/note]], Adam finally snapped and vowed revenge on all of humanity for the pain he's gone through.]] While everyone is horrified by Adam's tale and understand why he hates humans so much, they still note his tragic past doesn't excuse his actions, since he's willing to commit the exact same crimes against other innocent Faunus, [[spoiler:namely amputating their animal body parts for opposing him]]. Velvet's [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech speech says it best]].
-->'''Velvet''': You want vengeance for what happened to you and while I for one am so, so sorry for what happened to you I don't think it justifies what you have done. I know you lived through so many terrible things, you lost everyone you cared for and I truly do feel sorry for you, but I know what you've done. WE know what you've done. [[spoiler:You may have fooled the Elite Guard and your troops, but we were in that prison, we saw what you did to those people, we know you held a sword to Haulan's throat, you cut off Sun's tail and Yang's arm, you were going to murder my friends had Ruby not gotten away, and who knows what else you've done. I feel bad for you, no one should have to live through what you did, but it doesn't excuse the terrible things you have done, the lives you destroy in the Fall, the people who were killed, the pain you've cause, and the amputees we saw. As long as we live we will do our best to make sure your crimes become known, Adam. Your lust for revenge has twisted you into a monster, you're no different than the humans who killed your family, they would be ashamed of you]].
* ''Fanfic/TheMakingsOfTeamCRME'': Cinder Fall is given a FreudianExcuse in the form of her abusive mother from ''Fanfic/MyNameIsCinder''. However, it only explains why she is such a sociopath. The fact that she becomes exponentially worse than her mother in the show and in ''Fanfic/{{CRME}}'' nullifies any potential sympathy that she could have. Mercury even calls her out on this when he catches her abusing Emerald.
-->'''Mercury:''' You know, it just amuses me that you talk about how terrible your mom was, but [[LikeFatherLikeSon you seem to be a lot more like her than you think]].
* ''Fanfic/RWBYDestinyOfRemnant'': Adam Taurus [[spoiler:was taken to a slave labor camp owned by the Schnee Dust Company alongside his family, forced to endure the abuse and humiliation as slaves for years. After several horrific events throughout Adam's time as a slave[[note]]Adam's father would be killed in an insurrection, leading to the rest of the family getting branded. The slavers amputate the horns of Adam's mother in front of his sister Lily, traumatizing her. When the slaves outlived their usefulness, Adam's mother sacrificed herself to save her children. Adam and Lily would board a ship to Vale, only for Lily to pass away and for the ship's crew to dump her body in the ocean.[[/note]], Adam finally snapped and vowed revenge on all of humanity for the pain he's gone through.]] While everyone is horrified by Adam's tale and understand why he hates humans so much, they still note his tragic past doesn't excuse his actions, since he's willing to commit the exact same crimes against other innocent Faunus, [[spoiler:namely amputating their animal body parts for opposing him]]. Velvet's [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech speech says it best]].
-->'''Velvet''': You want vengeance for what happened to you and while I for one am so, so sorry for what happened to you I don't think it justifies what you have done. I know you lived through so many terrible things, you lost everyone you cared for and I truly do feel sorry for you, but I know what you've done. WE know what you've done. [[spoiler:You may have fooled the Elite Guard and your troops, but we were in that prison, we saw what you did to those people, we know you held a sword to Haulan's throat, you cut off Sun's tail and Yang's arm, you were going to murder my friends had Ruby not gotten away, and who knows what else you've done. I feel bad for you, no one should have to live through what you did, but it doesn't excuse the terrible things you have done, the lives you destroy in the Fall, the people who were killed, the pain you've cause, and the amputees we saw. As long as we live we will do our best to make sure your crimes become known, Adam. Your lust for revenge has twisted you into a monster, you're no different than the humans who killed your family, they would be ashamed of you]].
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* ''Fanfic/AMagicalEvening'': Sofia does sympathize with Cedric for what he went through as a child, but Lucinda points out that it was still his choice to follow a dark path.
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-->'''Mercury:''' You know, it just amuses me that you talk about how terrible your mom was, but [[LikeFatherLikeSon you seem to be a lot more like her than you think]].
* ''Fanfic/RWBYDestinyOfRemnant'': Adam Taurus [[spoiler:was taken to a slave labor camp owned by the Schnee Dust Company alongside his family, forced to endure the abuse and humiliation as slaves for years. After several horrific events throughout Adam's time as a slave[[note]]Adam's father would be killed in an insurrection, leading to the rest of the family getting branded. The slavers amputate the horns of Adam's mother in front of his sister Lily, traumatizing her. When the slaves outlived their usefulness, Adam's mother sacrificed herself to save her children. Adam and Lily would board a ship to Vale, only for Lily to pass away and for the ship's crew to dump her body in the ocean.[[/note]], Adam finally snapped and vowed revenge on all of humanity for the pain he's gone through.]] While everyone is horrified by Adam's tale and understand why he hates humans so much, they still note his tragic past doesn't excuse his actions, since he's willing to commit the exact same crimes against other innocent Faunus, [[spoiler:namely amputating their animal body parts for opposing him]]. Velvet's [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech speech says it best]].
-->'''Velvet''': You want vengeance for what happened to you and while I for one am so, so sorry for what happened to you I don't think it justifies what you have done. I know you lived through so many terrible things, you lost everyone you cared for and I truly do feel sorry for you, but I know what you've done. WE know what you've done. [[spoiler:You may have fooled the Elite Guard and your troops, but we were in that prison, we saw what you did to those people, we know you held a sword to Haulan's throat, you cut off Sun's tail and Yang's arm, you were going to murder my friends had Ruby not gotten away, and who knows what else you've done. I feel bad for you, no one should have to live through what you did, but it doesn't excuse the terrible things you have done, the lives you destroy in the Fall, the people who were killed, the pain you've cause, and the amputees we saw. As long as we live we will do our best to make sure your crimes become known, Adam. Your lust for revenge has twisted you into a monster, you're no different than the humans who killed your family, they would be ashamed of you]].
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* ''Fanfic/AMagicalEvening'': Sofia does sympathize with Cedric for what he went through as a child, but Lucinda points out that it was still his choice to follow a dark path.
* ''Fanfic/TheMakingsOfTeamCRME'': Cinder Fall is given a FreudianExcuse in the form of her abusive mother from ''Fanfic/MyNameIsCinder''. However, it only explains why she is such a sociopath. The fact that she becomes exponentially worse than her mother in the show and in ''Fanfic/{{CRME}}'' nullifies any potential sympathy that she could have. Mercury even calls her out on this when he catches her abusing Emerald.
-->'''Mercury:''' You know, it just amuses me that you talk about how terrible your mom was, but [[LikeFatherLikeSon you seem to be a lot more like her than you think]].
* ''Fanfic/RWBYDestinyOfRemnant'': Adam Taurus [[spoiler:was taken to a slave labor camp owned by the Schnee Dust Company alongside his family, forced to endure the abuse and humiliation as slaves for years. After several horrific events throughout Adam's time as a slave[[note]]Adam's father would be killed in an insurrection, leading to the rest of the family getting branded. The slavers amputate the horns of Adam's mother in front of his sister Lily, traumatizing her. When the slaves outlived their usefulness, Adam's mother sacrificed herself to save her children. Adam and Lily would board a ship to Vale, only for Lily to pass away and for the ship's crew to dump her body in the ocean.[[/note]], Adam finally snapped and vowed revenge on all of humanity for the pain he's gone through.]] While everyone is horrified by Adam's tale and understand why he hates humans so much, they still note his tragic past doesn't excuse his actions, since he's willing to commit the exact same crimes against other innocent Faunus, [[spoiler:namely amputating their animal body parts for opposing him]]. Velvet's [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech speech says it best]].
-->'''Velvet''': You want vengeance for what happened to you and while I for one am so, so sorry for what happened to you I don't think it justifies what you have done. I know you lived through so many terrible things, you lost everyone you cared for and I truly do feel sorry for you, but I know what you've done. WE know what you've done. [[spoiler:You may have fooled the Elite Guard and your troops, but we were in that prison, we saw what you did to those people, we know you held a sword to Haulan's throat, you cut off Sun's tail and Yang's arm, you were going to murder my friends had Ruby not gotten away, and who knows what else you've done. I feel bad for you, no one should have to live through what you did, but it doesn't excuse the terrible things you have done, the lives you destroy in the Fall, the people who were killed, the pain you've cause, and the amputees we saw. As long as we live we will do our best to make sure your crimes become known, Adam. Your lust for revenge has twisted you into a monster, you're no different than the humans who killed your family, they would be ashamed of you]].
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** And on the other hand, the Phantom Thieves' excuses for their mistreatment of Adrien/Chat Noir is called out, as they basically left alone to deal with his father (who ''murdered'' someone) simply because they didn't like or trust him.
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* ''Fanfic/LovesSacrifices'':
** One of the main antagonists, Count Karnstein, plots to take revenge on [[WebVideo/CarmillaTheSeries Carmilla]] for a yet to be revealed slight against him, blaming her for the ruining of his life; while she got have a happy life after the series, the Count wishes to take it all away from her in a conspiracy of mass murder and human sacrifice. Carmilla, having had at least two past adversaries blaming her [[NeverMyFault for their actions]], quickly gets sick of her past being the blame for their actions. In the tenth chapter, Carmilla snaps at the Count during a MotiveRant, telling him to his face that he's not ''allowed'' to use her as an excuse anymore. In response, after a moment of TranquilFury the Count coldly declares if she wants a monster, [[ThenLetMeBeEvil she'll get a monster]].
** As the Karnstein family history reveals, Count Falco used to be a somewhat decent -- albeit privileged and entitled -- noble, and blames his troubles on the fact he was forced to take responsibility as a teenage father. Falco resented his children because it meant he no longer had the freedom he once enjoyed and was unlikely to achieve much in life. Of course, neither Mircalla or Elias -- who he was abusive towards [[spoiler:and eventually tries to kill]] -- are impressed with this, especially with how cruel and monstrous Falco became over the years. Almost no one who knows of Falco or his past shows him any kind of sympathy for it.
** One of the main antagonists, Count Karnstein, plots to take revenge on [[WebVideo/CarmillaTheSeries Carmilla]] for a yet to be revealed slight against him, blaming her for the ruining of his life; while she got have a happy life after the series, the Count wishes to take it all away from her in a conspiracy of mass murder and human sacrifice. Carmilla, having had at least two past adversaries blaming her [[NeverMyFault for their actions]], quickly gets sick of her past being the blame for their actions. In the tenth chapter, Carmilla snaps at the Count during a MotiveRant, telling him to his face that he's not ''allowed'' to use her as an excuse anymore. In response, after a moment of TranquilFury the Count coldly declares if she wants a monster, [[ThenLetMeBeEvil she'll get a monster]].
** As the Karnstein family history reveals, Count Falco used to be a somewhat decent -- albeit privileged and entitled -- noble, and blames his troubles on the fact he was forced to take responsibility as a teenage father. Falco resented his children because it meant he no longer had the freedom he once enjoyed and was unlikely to achieve much in life. Of course, neither Mircalla or Elias -- who he was abusive towards [[spoiler:and eventually tries to kill]] -- are impressed with this, especially with how cruel and monstrous Falco became over the years. Almost no one who knows of Falco or his past shows him any kind of sympathy for it.
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* ''Fanfic/LovesSacrifices'':
** One of the main antagonists, Count Karnstein, plots to take revenge on [[WebVideo/CarmillaTheSeries Carmilla]] for a yet to be revealed slight against him, blaming her for the ruining of his life; while she got have a happy life after the series, the Count wishes to take it all away from her in a conspiracy of mass murder and human sacrifice. Carmilla, having had at least two past adversaries blaming her [[NeverMyFault for their actions]], quickly gets sick of her past being the blame for their actions. In the tenth chapter, Carmilla snaps at the Count during a MotiveRant, telling him to his face that he's not ''allowed'' to use her as an excuse anymore. In response, after a moment of TranquilFury the Count coldly declares if she wants a monster, [[ThenLetMeBeEvil she'll get a monster]].
**''Fanfic/LovesSacrifices'': As the Karnstein family history reveals, Count Falco used to be a somewhat decent -- albeit privileged and entitled -- noble, and blames his troubles on the fact he was forced to take responsibility as a teenage father. Falco resented his children because it meant he no longer had the freedom he once enjoyed and was unlikely to achieve much in life. Of course, neither Mircalla or Elias -- who he was abusive towards [[spoiler:and eventually tries to kill]] -- are impressed with this, especially with how cruel and monstrous Falco became over the years. Almost no one who knows of Falco or his past shows him any kind of sympathy for it.
** One of the main antagonists, Count Karnstein, plots to take revenge on [[WebVideo/CarmillaTheSeries Carmilla]] for a yet to be revealed slight against him, blaming her for the ruining of his life; while she got have a happy life after the series, the Count wishes to take it all away from her in a conspiracy of mass murder and human sacrifice. Carmilla, having had at least two past adversaries blaming her [[NeverMyFault for their actions]], quickly gets sick of her past being the blame for their actions. In the tenth chapter, Carmilla snaps at the Count during a MotiveRant, telling him to his face that he's not ''allowed'' to use her as an excuse anymore. In response, after a moment of TranquilFury the Count coldly declares if she wants a monster, [[ThenLetMeBeEvil she'll get a monster]].
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* Inverted in ''[[https://archiveofourown.org/works/34048687/chapters/84693808 Mission To Silas]]''. In canon, Brigitte has been through a [[TraumaCongaLine series of traumas]] over the [[Film/GingerSnaps first]] [[Film/GingerSnaps2Unleashed two]] movies -- including being a runaway; having to seemingly kill her sister in self-defence; being stalked and nearly sexually assaulted; killing her stalker in self-defence; and being betrayed and imprisoned by a friend. When Brigitte is taken in by the Academy, Headmistress Petrie shows her NoSympathy, claiming her past doesn't justify her "delinquency", and treats her like a flight risk for it. Petrie takes it further by [[MiseryPoker using her own troubled past]] to dismiss and belittle Brigitte's...that being Petrie having to go to prep school and military school. Petrie apparently considers having to ''climb a rope'' to be worse than anything Brigitte went through. All this does is make the other characters less sympathetic to Petrie.
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** Invertedin ''[[https://archiveofourown.org/works/34048687/chapters/84693808 Mission To Silas]]''. with Brigitte and Petrie. In canon, Brigitte has been through a [[TraumaCongaLine series of traumas]] over the [[Film/GingerSnaps first]] [[Film/GingerSnaps2Unleashed two]] movies multiple traumas -- including being a runaway; having to seemingly kill stabbing her sister in self-defence; being stalked and nearly sexually assaulted; killing her stalker in self-defence; and being betrayed and imprisoned by a friend. When Brigitte is taken in by the Academy, Headmistress Petrie shows her NoSympathy, claiming her past doesn't justify her "delinquency", and treats NoSympathy for Brigitte's past, treating her like a flight risk for it. risk. Petrie takes it further by [[MiseryPoker regularly belittles Brigitte using ''[[MiseryPoker her own troubled past]] to dismiss and belittle Brigitte's...that being Petrie own]]'' "troubled past" -- which consists of [[SurprisinglyNormalBackstory having to go to prep school and military school.school]]. Petrie apparently considers having to ''climb a rope'' to be worse than anything Brigitte went through. All Amy suggests the real reason Petrie dislikes Brigitte is because Brigitte having a worse past than hers intimidates her.
** Also Inverted with Lucy and Bobby. Bobby makes a dismissive "[[Series/BrooklynNineNine Cool motive, still murder]]" remark towards Lucy's past of her family being killed by the Schaffer's. The way Bobby dismisses it, you'd almost think the Schaeffer's as innocent victims of thisdoes is make unjust revenge plot by Lucy. [[spoiler:Considering what's later revealed of Bobby's history -- which consists of AccidentalMurder and battery -- his refusal to accept [[RedemptionRejection responsibility or treatment]] during his psychological evaluations, it's really a case of the other characters less sympathetic to Petrie.pot calling the kettle black.]]
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** Also Inverted with Lucy and Bobby. Bobby makes a dismissive "[[Series/BrooklynNineNine Cool motive, still murder]]" remark towards Lucy's past of her family being killed by the Schaffer's. The way Bobby dismisses it, you'd almost think the Schaeffer's as innocent victims of this
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* ''[[https://archiveofourown.org/works/25538953/chapters/61967356 Love's Sacrifices]]'': One of the main antagonists, Count Karnstein, plots to take revenge on [[WebVideo/CarmillaTheSeries Carmilla]] for a yet to be revealed slight against him, blaming her for the ruining of his life; while she got have a happy life after the series, the Count wishes to take it all away from her in a conspiracy of mass murder and human sacrifice. Carmilla, having had at least two past adversaries blaming her [[NeverMyFault for their actions]], quickly gets sick of her past being the blame for their actions. In the tenth chapter, Carmilla snaps at the Count during a MotiveRant, telling him to his face that he's not ''allowed'' to use her as an excuse anymore. In response, after a moment of TranquilFury the Count coldly declares if she wants a monster, [[ThenLetMeBeEvil she'll get a monster]].
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* ''[[https://archiveofourown.org/works/25538953/chapters/61967356 Love's Sacrifices]]'': ''Fanfic/LovesSacrifices'':
** One of the main antagonists, Count Karnstein, plots to take revenge on [[WebVideo/CarmillaTheSeries Carmilla]] for a yet to be revealed slight against him, blaming her for the ruining of his life; while she got have a happy life after the series, the Count wishes to take it all away from her in a conspiracy of mass murder and human sacrifice. Carmilla, having had at least two past adversaries blaming her [[NeverMyFault for their actions]], quickly gets sick of her past being the blame for their actions. In the tenth chapter, Carmilla snaps at the Count during a MotiveRant, telling him to his face that he's not ''allowed'' to use her as an excuse anymore. In response, after a moment of TranquilFury the Count coldly declares if she wants a monster, [[ThenLetMeBeEvil she'll get amonster]].monster]].
** As the Karnstein family history reveals, Count Falco used to be a somewhat decent -- albeit privileged and entitled -- noble, and blames his troubles on the fact he was forced to take responsibility as a teenage father. Falco resented his children because it meant he no longer had the freedom he once enjoyed and was unlikely to achieve much in life. Of course, neither Mircalla or Elias -- who he was abusive towards [[spoiler:and eventually tries to kill]] -- are impressed with this, especially with how cruel and monstrous Falco became over the years. Almost no one who knows of Falco or his past shows him any kind of sympathy for it.
** One of the main antagonists, Count Karnstein, plots to take revenge on [[WebVideo/CarmillaTheSeries Carmilla]] for a yet to be revealed slight against him, blaming her for the ruining of his life; while she got have a happy life after the series, the Count wishes to take it all away from her in a conspiracy of mass murder and human sacrifice. Carmilla, having had at least two past adversaries blaming her [[NeverMyFault for their actions]], quickly gets sick of her past being the blame for their actions. In the tenth chapter, Carmilla snaps at the Count during a MotiveRant, telling him to his face that he's not ''allowed'' to use her as an excuse anymore. In response, after a moment of TranquilFury the Count coldly declares if she wants a monster, [[ThenLetMeBeEvil she'll get a
** As the Karnstein family history reveals, Count Falco used to be a somewhat decent -- albeit privileged and entitled -- noble, and blames his troubles on the fact he was forced to take responsibility as a teenage father. Falco resented his children because it meant he no longer had the freedom he once enjoyed and was unlikely to achieve much in life. Of course, neither Mircalla or Elias -- who he was abusive towards [[spoiler:and eventually tries to kill]] -- are impressed with this, especially with how cruel and monstrous Falco became over the years. Almost no one who knows of Falco or his past shows him any kind of sympathy for it.
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** ''Broken Reflection Of Love'' has Adrien start dating Marinette as a stand-in for Ladybug, unaware that [[LovesMyAlterEgo they're the same person]]. While Luka, Kagami and Zoé are convincing her that she should break things off, Luka notes that he can't blame his shoddy treatment of her on being sheltered; for all his faults, Gabriel treated his wife like a queen while Adrien is AllTakeAndNoGive.
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* ''[[https://archiveofourown.org/works/44607043/chapters/121613383 A Price to Pay]]'': Adrien helps his father make his [[RealityWarpingIsNotAToy reality-altering]] Wish. When this [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor doesn't work out how he expected]], Adrien turns to Marinette for help, crying that "''I just wanted my mother back!''" Marinette retorts that he ''did'' get her back; Emilie is alive, at the cost of [[BalancingDeathsBooks Marinette's own father dying]]. She just refuses to be part of her ex-husband and son's lives anymore. She also stresses that Adrien's loss in ''no way justified'' him betraying her and all of Paris, much less inflicting that kind of pain upon another.
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* ''[[https://archiveofourown.org/works/44607043/chapters/121613383 A ''Fanfic/MiraculousLadybugSaltShots'':
** ''What Makes You Think I Still Love You?'' has Adrien protest that he can't ''possibly'' be held accountable for how he constantly harassed Ladybug, refusing to take no for an answer: "B-but, you can't blame ''me''! I grew up watching anime and I didn't know how to pursue you, to make you love me!" Marinette shoots him down, calling out his childish reasoning for what it is.
** Referenced in ''Nothing Comes For Free'', when Marinette laments to her mother how Mme. Bustier refuses to ever hold Chloé accountable for her own actions:
--->'''Marinette:''' Then there's Chloé, no matter how many times I told Madame Bustier that I didn't want to be in her class, that Chloé bullies me -- she still insists that Chloé could learn a lot from me, that I need to be a good example! I ''can't!'' I'm tired of being a good example, I'm tired of being a doormat. Chloé won't change, no matter what. I know that her mother doesn't ''like'' her and doesn't spend time in her life, but that doesn't excuse her actions! Not to mention that one ''train incident''. Chloé's a terrible person, she worked with Hawkmoth before, and it's impossible for her to change -- especially when she isn't trying to change herself! ''I don't want to be their Everyday Ladybug anymore!''
** In ''A Price toPay]]'': Pay'', Adrien helps his father make his [[RealityWarpingIsNotAToy reality-altering]] Wish. When this [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor doesn't work out how he expected]], Adrien turns to Marinette for help, crying that "''I just wanted my mother back!''" Marinette retorts that he ''did'' get her back; Emilie is alive, at the cost of [[BalancingDeathsBooks Marinette's own father dying]]. She just refuses to be part of her ex-husband and son's lives anymore. She also stresses that Adrien's loss in ''no way justified'' him betraying her and all of Paris, much less inflicting that kind of pain upon another.
** ''What Makes You Think I Still Love You?'' has Adrien protest that he can't ''possibly'' be held accountable for how he constantly harassed Ladybug, refusing to take no for an answer: "B-but, you can't blame ''me''! I grew up watching anime and I didn't know how to pursue you, to make you love me!" Marinette shoots him down, calling out his childish reasoning for what it is.
** Referenced in ''Nothing Comes For Free'', when Marinette laments to her mother how Mme. Bustier refuses to ever hold Chloé accountable for her own actions:
--->'''Marinette:''' Then there's Chloé, no matter how many times I told Madame Bustier that I didn't want to be in her class, that Chloé bullies me -- she still insists that Chloé could learn a lot from me, that I need to be a good example! I ''can't!'' I'm tired of being a good example, I'm tired of being a doormat. Chloé won't change, no matter what. I know that her mother doesn't ''like'' her and doesn't spend time in her life, but that doesn't excuse her actions! Not to mention that one ''train incident''. Chloé's a terrible person, she worked with Hawkmoth before, and it's impossible for her to change -- especially when she isn't trying to change herself! ''I don't want to be their Everyday Ladybug anymore!''
** In ''A Price to
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** During the HPSC investigation into Aizawa's motives and actions towards Izuku, it's heavily implied Aizawa never worked through his trauma over the death of Oboro Shirakumo. Instead, it's implied he has chosen to push his trauma-motivated irrational standards onto his students, trying to avoid another "reckless" death at any cost, even if the student didn't do anything wrong and his actions damage their educations or careers. His choices regarding Izuku are just the most extreme example known. The HPSC makes very clear that this doesn't excuse his behavior towards his students and instead see this as a sign that he's completely unfit for his teaching position. Further, the duplicitous manner in which he acted in order to enforce his irrational standards means they don't find him trustworthy enough to be a hero, either.
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*** She even says it to her [[Characters/MonsterVerseMadisonRussell canon counterpart]] in [[https://hrodvitnon.tumblr.com/post/701370934645374976/ this]] non-canon crossover, and Canon!Madison, despite holding a ''little'' more fondness and a little less resentment for their late mother, eventually agrees with Abraxas!Madison.
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*** She even says it to her [[Characters/MonsterVerseMadisonRussell canon counterpart]] counterpart in [[https://hrodvitnon.tumblr.com/post/701370934645374976/ this]] non-canon crossover, and Canon!Madison, despite holding a ''little'' more fondness and a little less resentment for their late mother, eventually agrees with Abraxas!Madison.
