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* AmbiguouslyEvil: For a good 3/4 of the film Marcilla/Carmilla keeps her fangs hidden and almost seems to be acting as an inside woman for the real villain, the sinister Man in Black. Indeed, given that she clearly has feelings for both Laura and Emma, and is never seen feeding on either of them, a case could almost be made that she was being placed in these households in order that she could allow her Master entry so that he could feed on these young women.
* AmbiguousTimePeriod: Often placed in 1790s Styria, the internal evidence would appear to place it decades later. Baron Hartog’s vendetta against the Karnsteins follows the death of his sister in 1794, and it’s not specified how long it took him to track them down. Either way, he’s shown and described as a young man in the flashback, but when he returns to finish the job he is at least 20 years older, possibly more. This would place the setting somewhere around the 1820s, possibly as late as 1840, and definately after the Napoleonic Wars.
* AmbiguousTimePeriod: Often placed in 1790s Styria, the internal evidence would appear to place it decades later. Baron Hartog’s vendetta against the Karnsteins follows the death of his sister in 1794, and it’s not specified how long it took him to track them down. Either way, he’s shown and described as a young man in the flashback, but when he returns to finish the job he is at least 20 years older, possibly more. This would place the setting somewhere around the 1820s, possibly as late as 1840, and definately after the Napoleonic Wars.
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* AdaptationNameChange: Laura becomes Emma in this version, while Bertha Spielsdorf, one of Carmilla's earlier victims, becomes (somewhat confusingly) Laura.
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* AdaptationNameChange: Laura becomes Emma AdaptationalBadass: This version of Carmilla directly engages a foe in this version, while Bertha Spielsdorf, one battle and is only warded off by a makeshift crucifix. Her powers of Carmilla's earlier victims, becomes (somewhat confusingly) Laura.seduction are also put to more extensive use; she forges two minions with her [[MaybeMagicMaybeMundane possibly-supernatural]] charms.
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* AdaptationalVillainy: Carmilla shows more sympathetic traits in the book, and was an innocent when alive. Here she is purely evil, and apparently her whole family was even before becoming vampires.
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* AdaptationalVillainy: Carmilla shows more sympathetic traits in retains her book counterpart's aversion to the book, and consequences of her murders, but her inspiration was an innocent when alive. Here she is purely evil, and apparently Here, her whole entire family was is said to have been wicked even before becoming vampires.vampires, presumably including herself.
* AdaptationNameChange: Laura becomes Emma in this version, while Bertha Spielsdorf, one of Carmilla's earlier victims, becomes (somewhat confusingly) Laura.
* AdaptationNameChange: Laura becomes Emma in this version, while Bertha Spielsdorf, one of Carmilla's earlier victims, becomes (somewhat confusingly) Laura.
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* EvenEvilHasLovedOnes: Implied. The mysterious vampire patriarch loses his [[SlasherSmile good cheer]] when he observes the reburial of a now very dead Carmilla.
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* DeathBySex: Played with as some who have sex with Mircalla die while others do not.
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* OurVampiresAreDifferent: As is common in the Karnstein films, vampire abilities either vary depending on how they became Undead or are presented inconsistently. The first vampire we see can only sleep/return to the grave if they have their burial shroud, while Mircalla has no such restriction that we can see. We are never told if the first vampire can tolerate sunlight as Mircalla can, although she don't like it, and she is seen in mirrors. Carmilla seems to have human cohorts who help con unsuspecting families into hosting her.
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* OurVampiresAreDifferent: As is common in the Karnstein films, vampire Vampire abilities either vary depending on how they became Undead or are presented inconsistently. The first vampire we see shown in the prologue can only sleep/return to the grave if they have their burial shroud, while but Mircalla has no such restriction restriction, a fact that we can see. We are never told if Baron Hartog himself finds surprising. It appears that Karnstein vampires spend long periods in a form of stupor interspersed with periods of feeding, as the first vampire can tolerate sunlight is the only one shown as Mircalla can, although she active when Hartog comes to the castle; they don't like it, even wake up when he stakes them. Hartog stakes each Karnstein with the same sharpened branch, but when the General stakes Mircalla he leaves his stake in her heart and she is seen in mirrors. Carmilla seems to takes her head for good measure, possibly implying that Hertog's original massacre might not have human cohorts who help con unsuspecting families into hosting her.permanently disposed of the Karnstein's he unearthed.
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* OurVampiresAreDifferent: Here vampires can only sleep if they have their burial shroud, can tolerate sunlight although they don't like it, and are seen in mirrors. Carmilla seems to have human cohorts who help con unsuspecting families into hosting her.
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* OurVampiresAreDifferent: Here vampires As is common in the Karnstein films, vampire abilities either vary depending on how they became Undead or are presented inconsistently. The first vampire we see can only sleep sleep/return to the grave if they have their burial shroud, while Mircalla has no such restriction that we can see. We are never told if the first vampire can tolerate sunlight as Mircalla can, although they she don't like it, and are she is seen in mirrors. Carmilla seems to have human cohorts who help con unsuspecting families into hosting her.
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* [[CrusadingWidow Crusading Uncle]]]: General Spielsdorf avenges his niece by staking Mircalla and cutting off her head.
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* TragicMonster: Carmilla is implied to have geniune feelings for Emma, but sadly her vampire instincts are way too strong to overcome.
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* TragicMonster: Carmilla is implied to have geniune genuine feelings for Emma, but sadly her vampire instincts are way too strong to overcome.
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* AristocratsAreEvil: The Karnsteins who all became vampires after death.
* BigDamnHeroes: Carl shows up just in the nick of time to save Emma from Mircalla
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* BodyguardBetrayal: Mademoiselle Perrodot, Emma's governess who seemed protective of her, turns on a dime after Carmilla seduces her.
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* BodyguardBetrayal: BodyguardBetrayal:
** Mademoiselle Perrodot, Emma's governess who seemed protective of her, turns on a dime after Carmilla seducesher.her.
** Renton the butler who tried to protect Emma from the vampire likewise falls prey to her seductions
** Mademoiselle Perrodot, Emma's governess who seemed protective of her, turns on a dime after Carmilla seduces
** Renton the butler who tried to protect Emma from the vampire likewise falls prey to her seductions
* [[CrusadingWidow Crusading Uncle]]]: General Spielsdorf avenges his niece by staking Mircalla and cutting off her head.
* HeroOfAnotherStory: Baron Hartog killed almost all of the Karnstein vampires after his sister was killed.
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* ImprovisedCross: Carl Ebhardt's cruciform dagger.
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* ImprovisedCross: Carl Ebhardt's cruciform dagger. The doctor tries to pull this off by drawing in the dirt but fails.
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* OurVampiresAreDifferent: Carmilla seems to have human cohorts who help con unsuspecting families into hosting her.
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* OnlySaneMan: Renton the butler who put two and two together and realizes a vampire is responsible for Emma's condition. He promptly calls in the doctor, gets garlic flowers, and sends a message to Mr. Morton.
* OurVampiresAreDifferent: Here vampires can only sleep if they have their burial shroud, can tolerate sunlight although they don't like it, and are seen in mirrors. Carmilla seems to have human cohorts who help con unsuspecting families into hosting her.
* OurVampiresAreDifferent: Here vampires can only sleep if they have their burial shroud, can tolerate sunlight although they don't like it, and are seen in mirrors. Carmilla seems to have human cohorts who help con unsuspecting families into hosting her.
* SignificantAnagram: Marcilla and Carmilla for Mircalla
* ThisWasHisTrueForm: Mircalla's portrait decays to reveal a fanged skeleton after her death.
* ThisWasHisTrueForm: Mircalla's portrait decays to reveal a fanged skeleton after her death.
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: Carmilla's "mother" is never seen again after leaving Carmilla with the Mortons, and it is never explained who exactly she really was. The same goes for the mysterious man in black who watches over the events from a distance then just disappears around the third act.
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: Carmilla's "mother" is never seen again after leaving Carmilla with the Mortons, and it is never explained who exactly she really was. The same goes for the mysterious man in black who watches over the events from a distance then just disappears around the third act. act before coming back at the end, revealed as a vampire.
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''The Vampire Lovers'' is a 1970 Film/HammerHorror film directed by Roy Ward Baker, starring Creator/IngridPitt, Creator/PeterCushing, Douglas Wilmer, Ferdy Mayne, Madeline Smith and Kate O'Mara. It is based off Creator/JosephSheridanLeFanu's novella ''Literature/{{Carmilla}}''.
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''The Vampire Lovers'' is a 1970 Film/HammerHorror film directed by Roy Ward Baker, starring Creator/IngridPitt, Creator/PeterCushing, Douglas Wilmer, Ferdy Mayne, Madeline Smith and Kate O'Mara.Creator/KateOMara. It is based off Creator/JosephSheridanLeFanu's novella ''Literature/{{Carmilla}}''.
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* GirlOnGirlIsHot: Emma and Carmilla fool around in the nude after Carmilla takes a bath.
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* GirlOnGirlIsHot: GirlOnGirlIsHot:
** Emma and Carmilla fool around in the nude after Carmilla takes abath.bath.
** Carmilla's seduction of the governess is a great example of how a scene can be charged with eroticism without even showing anything that explicit. See SexyDiscretionShot below.
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** Carmilla's seduction of the governess is a great example of how a scene can be charged with eroticism without even showing anything that explicit. See SexyDiscretionShot below.
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* LipstickLesbian: Mircalla, and also the governess, though in the latter case, Mircalla's vampiric influence may be at play.
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''The Vampire Lovers'' is a 1970 Film/HammerHorror film directed by Roy Ward Baker, starring Creator/IngridPitt, Creator/PeterCushing, Douglas Wilmer, Ferdy Mayne, Madeline Smith and Kate O'Mara. It is based on Sheridan Le Fanu's off Creator/JosephSheridanLeFanu's novella ''Literature/{{Carmilla}}''.
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Followed by two sequels, ''Film/LustForAVampire'' and ''Film/TwinsOfEvil''; altogether these films are known as Karnstein trilogy.
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Followed by two loose sequels, ''Film/LustForAVampire'' and ''Film/TwinsOfEvil''; altogether these films are known as "The Karnstein trilogy.
Trilogy".
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Followed by two sequels, ''[[Film/LustForAVampire Lust for a Vampire]]'' ''[[Film/LustforaVampire]]'' and ''Film/TwinsOfEvil''; altogether these films are known as Karnstein trilogy.
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* AmbiguouslyBi: Mircalla is willing to seduce men to get what she wants as well, though her preference seems to be women.
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* AmbiguouslyBi: BigBad: Mircalla is willing to seduce men to get what she wants as well, though Karnstein, a LesbianVampire seeking her preference seems to be women.latest prey.
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* DepravedBisexual: Mircalla Karnstein primarily seduces women to feed upon, but is perfectly willing to do the same to men.
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* GettingCrapPastTheRadar: There's not much room for doubt Mircalla and Emma (and Mircalla and the Governess) were intimate. This even got past Madeline Smith's (Emma) radar; she later admitted she was a virgin when the movie was made and had no idea what Emma and Mircalla were supposed to be doing.
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* BodyguardBetrayal: Mademoiselle Perrodot, Emma's governess who seemed protective of her, turns on a dime after Carmilla seduces her.
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* YourCheatingHeart: For romantic interpretations of Mircalla and Emma, Mircalla seduces the Governess as well, though abandons her in the end.
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Followed by two sequels, ''Lust for the Vampire'' and ''Twins of Evil''; altogether these films are known as Karnstein trilogy.
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* BlondeBrunetteRedhead: Carmilla's three main victims are Laura (blonde), the Governess (brunette), and Emma (redhead).
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* AdaptationPersonalityChange: In the book, the main character is highly educated, speaks three languages, and is steeped in Enlightenment ideals due to her father not wanting her to be superstitious. Emma is a wide-eyed ingenue who doesn't know the German word for "eyebrow" and is easily spooked.
** Carmilla herself shows more sympathetic traits in the book, and was an innocent when alive. Here she is purely evil, and apparently her whole family was even before becoming vampires.
* AdaptationPersonalityChange: In the book, the main character is highly educated, speaks three languages, and is steeped in Enlightenment ideals due to her father not wanting her to be superstitious. Emma is a wide-eyed ingenue who doesn't know the German word for "eyebrow" and is easily spooked.
** Carmilla herself shows more sympathetic traits in the book, and was an innocent when alive. Here she is purely evil, and apparently her whole family was even before becoming vampires.
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* AdaptationPersonalityChange: In the book, the main character is highly educated, speaks three languages, and is steeped in Enlightenment ideals due to her father not wanting her to be superstitious. Emma is a wide-eyed ingenue who doesn't know the German word for "eyebrow" and is easily spooked.
** Carmilla herself shows more sympathetic traits in the book, and was an innocent when alive. Here she is purely evil, and apparently her whole family was even before becoming vampires.
* AdaptationalDumbass: In the book, the main character Laura is highly educated, speaks three languages, and is steeped in Enlightenment ideals due to her father not wanting her to be superstitious. Here, Emma is a wide-eyed ingenue who doesn't know the German word for "eyebrow" and is easily spooked.
* AdaptationalVillainy: Carmilla shows more sympathetic traits in the book, and was an innocent when alive. Here she is purely evil, and apparently her whole family was even before becoming vampires.
* AdaptationalVillainy: Carmilla shows more sympathetic traits in the book, and was an innocent when alive. Here she is purely evil, and apparently her whole family was even before becoming vampires.
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* {{Fanservice}}: Oh, yes, very much.
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* GoodColorsEvilColors. In the same ball, Carmilla (Ingrid Pitt) is dressed in blood-red and her mother has black dress (although white roses in the hair). Guess what it means?
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* GoodColorsEvilColors. In the same ball, Carmilla (Ingrid Pitt) is dressed in blood-red and her mother has a black dress (although white roses in the hair). Guess what it means?
* SexyDiscretionShot:
** Mircalla and Emma eventually kiss in bed, before Mircalla undresses Emma, leaving her topless, and continues kissing her. It then cuts to a close-up of Emma's face reacting to it before cutting away.
** Mircalla leads the Governess to her room, at which point Mircalla, obscured under shadows, takes off her gown, leaving herself completely nude, and invites the Governess to come closer. The Governess, at this point clearly enthralled with Mircalla, obligues, before cutting away to the next morning.
** Mircalla and Emma eventually kiss in bed, before Mircalla undresses Emma, leaving her topless, and continues kissing her. It then cuts to a close-up of Emma's face reacting to it before cutting away.
** Mircalla leads the Governess to her room, at which point Mircalla, obscured under shadows, takes off her gown, leaving herself completely nude, and invites the Governess to come closer. The Governess, at this point clearly enthralled with Mircalla, obligues, before cutting away to the next morning.
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* YourCheatingHeart: For romantic interpretations of Mircalla and Emma. Mircalla seduces the Governess as well, though abandons her in the end.
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* YourCheatingHeart: For romantic interpretations of Mircalla and Emma. Emma, Mircalla seduces the Governess as well, though abandons her in the end.
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A woman calling herself Carmilla (Pitt) arrives at the residence of one Mr. Morton, where she befriends Morton's daughter Emma (Smith) and Emma's governess (O'Mara); thereafter Emma suffers mysterious nightmares. The secret to Carmilla's mysterious past may lie on General Spielsdorf (Cushing) and Baron Hartog (Wilmer).
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A woman calling herself Carmilla (Pitt) arrives at the residence of one Mr. Morton, where she befriends Morton's daughter Emma (Smith) and Emma's governess (O'Mara); thereafter Emma suffers mysterious nightmares. The secret to Carmilla's mysterious past may lie on with General Spielsdorf (Cushing) and Baron Hartog (Wilmer).
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* VampiresAreSexGods: How much of everyone's attraction to Mircalla is left ambiguous. Is it mind control, pure lust, or something more?
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* VampiresAreSexGods: How much of everyone's attraction to Mircalla is real is left ambiguous. Is it mind control, pure lust, or something more?
