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* CelebrityIsOverrated: Ira just wants to be a simple, anonymous marine. Sadly, Rene is pressured into naming him as one of the flag raisers, and he is pulled from the war and shipped home.

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* CelebrityIsOverrated: Ira just wants to be a simple, anonymous marine. Sadly, Rene is pressured into naming him as one of the flag raisers, and he is pulled from the war and shipped home. Doc is likewise deeply uncomfortable with his newfound fame and like Ira would prefer that it isn't brought up. The only one who seems to enjoy the spotlight at all is Rene.
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* ThereAreNoTherapists: PTSD is not a well understood phenomenon at this point in history, so it doesn't particularly occur to anyone why it might be a bad idea to parade three combat veterans across the country and make them constantly talk to complete strangers about the most harrowing, disturbing experience of their lives, all the while in the shadow of their dead friends.
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* ValueDissonance: While it may seem like an overreaction on Ira's part threatening to kill Rene if the latter told anyone he was in the picture and incomprehensible why he wouldn't take any excuse to go home, in Pima culture seeking recognition is highly discouraged.

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* BrokenPedestal: While clearly shocked seeing Mike go completely berserk on the enemies that killed two of their soldiers, Ira still calls Mike "the best marine [he] ever knew". He's more frightened of what Mike would be think of his current behavior.

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* BrokenPedestal: While clearly shocked seeing Mike go completely berserk on the enemies that killed two of their soldiers, Ira still calls Mike "the best marine [he] ever knew". He's more frightened of what Mike would be think of his current behavior.



** An irritated Major demands Rene better either be injured or have a good story of the flag raising in order to justify losing his seat back home. Denying both, the Major tells Rene better enjoy the limelight now because they'll forget about him by Christmas.

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** An irritated Major demands Rene better either be injured or have a good story of the flag raising in order to justify losing his seat back home. Denying both, the Major tells warns Rene better enjoy the limelight now because they'll forget about him by Christmas.



* PoorlyTimedConfession: Angrily denying he was at the flag-raising, Ira corrects Rene on errors of who and where everyone was. When he corrects a mistaken swap Rene made, Rene realizes Ira had to have been there to know that. Pointing out Ira's slip of tongue, Ira threatens him to stay quiet.

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* PoliceAreUseless: Though Beech travels alongside the three in order to chaperone them, Doc seems to be the one doing his job. Despite seeing Ira so sloshed he can't even recognize his native tongue, Beech keeps giving him access to open bars, taking him out for drinks, and even shown swapping out Ira's drink with booze. A senator can be overheard saying "boy, is he..." after meeting Ira. Beech makes the [[SarcasmMode brilliant decision]] to introduce [[DrowningMySorrows Ira]] with his dead Sergeant's [[OutlivingOnesOffspring mother]], then leaving them unattended. It's goes about as awkwardly as it sounds, [[HeroicBSoD more so for Mike's mom]].
* PoorlyTimedConfession: Angrily denying he was at the flag-raising, Ira corrects Rene on errors of who and where everyone was. When he corrects a mistaken swap Rene made, Rene realizes Ira had to have been there to know that. know. Pointing out Ira's slip of tongue, Ira threatens him to into stay quiet.


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* ValueDissonance: While it may seem like an overreaction on Ira's part threatening to kill Rene if the latter told anyone he was in the picture and incomprehensible why he wouldn't take any excuse to go home, in Pima culture seeking recognition is highly discouraged.

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** Only one character, Doc, gets a decent ending.

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** Only one character, Doc, gets a decent ending. ending at the cost of his relationship with his son.
* BrokenPedestal: While clearly shocked seeing Mike go completely berserk on the enemies that killed two of their soldiers, Ira still calls Mike "the best marine [he] ever knew". He's more frightened of what Mike would be think of his current behavior.



** When Rene is asked whether he has a good story to tell in regards to the flag-raising, an obviously disappointed officer warns Rene he better enjoy the limelight now because they'll forget about him by Christmas

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** When An irritated Major demands Rene is asked whether he has better either be injured or have a good story to tell in regards to of the flag-raising, an obviously disappointed officer warns flag raising in order to justify losing his seat back home. Denying both, the Major tells Rene he better enjoy the limelight now because they'll forget about him by ChristmasChristmas.
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** When Rene is asked whether he has a good story to tell in regards to the flag-raising, an obviously disappointed officer warns Rene he better enjoy the limelight now because they'll forget about him by Christmas


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* PoorlyTimedConfession: Angrily denying he was at the flag-raising, Ira corrects Rene on errors of who and where everyone was. When he corrects a mistaken swap Rene made, Rene realizes Ira had to have been there to know that. Pointing out Ira's slip of tongue, Ira threatens him to stay quiet.
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* RealityEnsues: The Japanese stationed at the island cannot be reinforced, cannot be evacuated, don't have the supplies or the air and naval superiority that the Americans do, and are outnumbered approximately six to one. They lose.

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* RealityEnsues: The Japanese stationed at the island cannot be reinforced, cannot be evacuated, don't have the supplies or the air and naval superiority that the Americans forces do, and are outnumbered approximately six to one. They lose.
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* RealityEnsues: The Japanese stationed at the island cannot be reinforced, cannot be evacuated, don't have the supplies or the air and naval superiority that the Americans do, and are outnumbered approximately six to one. They lose.
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* HonorBeforeReason: The Japanese garrison fight to the bitter end at Iwo Jima and the vast majority of the defending force is wiped out, despite the fact that there is blatantly no logistically feasible way for them to win this battle.

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* HonorBeforeReason: The Japanese garrison fight fights to the bitter end at Iwo Jima and the vast majority of the defending force is wiped out, despite the fact that there is blatantly no logistically feasible way for them to win this battle.
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* HonorBeforeReason: The Japanese garrison fight to the bitter end at Iwo Jima and the vast majority of the defending force is wiped out, despite the fact that there is blatantly no logistically feasible way for them to win this battle.
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* SacrificialLion: [[spoiler: Mike is characterized as a tough-as-nails, experienced squad leader who cares about his guys and wants to get them home alive. He is the first of flag raisers to get killed on Iwo Jima, (by friendly fire, no less) just to really telegraph to the audience how much of a slaughterhouse this battle is going to be before it is all finally over with.]]
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Early on, before the marines ship off for Iwo Jima, Mike tells his CO that he's promised his guys he'll get them back home to their mothers, and that "I've already lied to half of them." [[spoiler: Of the six flag raisers, three, including Mike himself, don't make it off the island alive.]]
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* DwindlingParty: Only Ira, Doc, and Rene make it off the island alive, and Doc gets pretty badly wounded.

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* DwindlingParty: Only [[spoiler: Ira, Doc, and Rene Rene]] make it off the island alive, and Doc [[spoiler: Doc]] gets pretty badly wounded.
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* DwindlingParty: Only Ira, Doc, and Rene make it off the island alive, and Doc gets pretty badly wounded.
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''Flags Of Our Fathers'' is a 2006 Creator/ClintEastwood film depicting the Battle of Iwo Jima, particularly [[IwoJimaPose the famous planting of the flag]] on Mount Suribachi, as well as the post-battle and post-war struggles of the three men who raised the flag as they are turned into a propaganda agent by the U.S. press. It was released jointly with ''Film/LettersFromIwoJima'', its POVSequel.

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''Flags Of Our Fathers'' is a 2006 Creator/ClintEastwood film depicting the Battle of Iwo Jima, particularly [[IwoJimaPose the famous planting of the flag]] on Mount Suribachi, as well as the post-battle and post-war struggles of the three surviving men out of six who raised the flag as they are turned into a propaganda agent by the U.S. press. It was released jointly with ''Film/LettersFromIwoJima'', its POVSequel.
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* OppressedMinorityVeteran: Ira Hayes, who while touring is refused service at a bar in spite of his status as a Marine, because they "don't serve Indians."
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* TruthInTelevision: Possibly subverted in that more recent research has revealed that 'Doc' Bradley wasn't one of the flag raisers. Even the author of the book, Bradley's son, has accepted that while Bradley was there, he wasn't one of the six in the photo of the flag raising. All of which makes his silence after the war even more of a mystery - did he know? Or did he think it simply didn't matter.
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* TruthInTelevision: Possibly subverted in that more recent research has revealed that 'Doc' Bradley wasn't one of the flag raisers. Even the author of the book, Bradley's son, has accepted that while Bradley was there, he wasn't one of the six in the photo of the flag raising. All of which makes his silence after the war even more of a mystery - did he know? Or did he think it simply didn't matter.
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* AnyoneCanDie: And a lot of them don't make it off the island alive.


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* CurbstompCushion: It's pretty obvious that by the time the Battle of Iwo Jima takes place that the Japanese are losing the war, what with the lack of air and sea opposition the invasion fleet is facing. Unfortunately for the Americans, they've made it a point to hold onto the island and inflict as many American casualties as possible.
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* YanksWithTanks: The film's protagonists, of course.
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* FlamethrowerBackfire: Discussed by a Marine flamethrower operator during the beach landings, but ultimately averted, as he survives the battle unscathed.
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* StormingTheBeaches: The battle of Iwo Jima, naturally, begins with the US Marines securing the beaches. They get bogged down once the Japanese return fire, thanks in part to the terrain and the island's defense network.
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* AntiAir: Among the weapons used during the pre-bombardment and invasion of the island are Bofors 40mm anti-aircraft guns pointed downward, due to the lack of Japanese air opposition.

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* CelebrityIsOVerrated: Ira just wants to be a simple, anonymous marine. Sadly, Rene is pressured into naming him as one of the flag raisers, and he is pulled from the war and shipped home.

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* CelebrityIsOVerrated: CelebrityIsOverrated: Ira just wants to be a simple, anonymous marine. Sadly, Rene is pressured into naming him as one of the flag raisers, and he is pulled from the war and shipped home.



** Also shown in less detail are a few of the US Navy's newer fast battleships, notably those of the ''North Carolina'' and ''Iowa''-classes.



* DatedHistory: recent research has revealed that Doc isn't actually in the famous photograph of the second flag raising, though he was assigned to the same platoon and was present at the first flag raising (the same squad raised both flags.) The man in the photograph previously misidentified as Doc Bradley was actually Pfc. Harold Schultz

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* DatedHistory: recent Recent research has revealed that Doc isn't actually in the famous photograph of the second flag raising, though he was assigned to the same platoon and was present at the first flag raising (the same squad raised both flags.) The man in the photograph previously misidentified as Doc Bradley was actually Pfc. Harold Schultz

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* CelebrityIsOVerrated: Ira just wants to be a simple, anonymous marine. Sadly, Rene is pressured into naming him as one of the flag raisers, and he is pulled from the war and shipped home.



* UnwantedFame: Ira just wants to be a simple, anonymous marine. Sadly, Rene is pressured into naming him as one of the flag raisers, and he is pulled from the war and shipped home.
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* UnwantedFame: Ira just wants to be a simple, anonymous marine. Sadly, Rene is pressured into naming him as one of the flag raisers, and he is pulled from the war and shipped home.
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* DatedHistory: recent research has revealed that Doc isn't actually in the famous photograph of the second flag raising, though he was assigned to the same platoon and was present at the first flag raising (the same squad raised both flags.)

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* DatedHistory: recent research has revealed that Doc isn't actually in the famous photograph of the second flag raising, though he was assigned to the same platoon and was present at the first flag raising (the same squad raised both flags.)) The man in the photograph previously misidentified as Doc Bradley was actually Pfc. Harold Schultz
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* DatedHistory: recent research has revealed that Doc isn't actually in the famous photograph of the second flag raising, though he was assigned to the same platoon and was present at the first flag raising (the same squad raised both flags.)
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* IwoJimaPose: The original photo of the Marines who planted the flag during this battle is the ''pivotal moment'' of the plot.

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* IwoJimaPose: TheMovie. The original photo of the Marines who planted the flag during this battle is the ''pivotal moment'' of the plot.

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* AFateWorseThanDeath: It's arguable that the surviving flag raisers had it worse off than the ones who died in battle. Ira can never escape his unwanted fame and PTSD and becomes an alcoholic, while Rene lives the rest of his life as a high school janitor. Even Doc prefers never to speak of Iwo Jima again.

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* AFateWorseThanDeath: It's arguable that the surviving flag raisers had it worse off than the ones who died in battle. Ira can never escape his unwanted fame and PTSD and becomes an alcoholic, dying at the age of 32, while Rene lives the rest of his life as a high school janitor. Even Doc prefers never to speak of Iwo Jima again.


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* ShellShockedVeteran: Doc, Ira and Rene after making it off Iwo Jima. For that matter, Ira (again), Mike and Harlon after Bougainville.

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