History Film / FlagsOfOurFathers

5th May '16 7:05:07 AM Rmpdc
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* YanksWithTanks: The film's protagonists, of course.
5th May '16 7:02:41 AM Rmpdc
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* ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill: The pre-invasion bombardment. By one reckoning the US expended more than 26 ''tons'' of munitions for every Japanese soldier on the island over the course of the battle, from 16 inch down to .45 ACP. In this film, the business end is shown in detail for about half a minute.
27th Apr '16 8:54:05 AM Rmpdc
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* BittersweetEnding =/= DownerEnding: The flag raisers who weren't killed in the fighting basically have their lives ruined one way or another.

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* BittersweetEnding =/= / DownerEnding: The flag raisers who weren't killed in the fighting basically have their lives ruined one way or another.
27th Apr '16 8:53:15 AM Rmpdc
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* DownerEnding: The flag raisers who weren't killed in the fighting basically have their lives ruined. Only one character gets a decent ending.

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* BittersweetEnding =/= DownerEnding: The flag raisers who weren't killed in the fighting basically have their lives ruined. ruined one way or another.
** Though, in terms of the bigger picture, the war-bond drive the survivors took part in succeeded in its goal of meeting the amount of money needed for the last stretch of the war. In addition, their actions are, at the very least, remembered via the memorial in Washington D.C., as well as the photo of the flag raising itself.
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Only one character character, Doc, gets a decent ending.ending.



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29th Nov '15 12:30:58 PM ange1eye5
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* KillEmAll: Six men are in the photo (two in the back row). Of those six, three are later killed on Iwo Jima and one severely wounded. The remaining three die years later.

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* KillEmAll: Six men are in the photo (two in the back row). Of those six, three are later killed on Iwo Jima [[spoiler: Mike, Harlon and Frank]] and one severely wounded. The remaining three die years later.
27th Oct '15 2:32:11 AM Wuz
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* JustTrainWrong: At :43:05, an [=EMD=] "F" unit can be seen pulling a train carrying New Hampshire hero Rene Gagnon into Manchester, NH While [=EMD=] was indeed building this style of locomotive starting in 1939, A careful inspection of spotting details reveals the lead loco to be an [=EMD=] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_F9 F9]], a post-war model not introduced until 1953.
A more appropriate streamliner would have been an [[http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2532908 EMD E7, preferably in Boston & Maine paint]].
** Not only are the diesels the wrong model, but their paint scheme is incorrect as well. The scene takes place in Manchester, NH in 1945 so the locomotives should be painted in the Boston & Maine Railroad's famous maroon and gold [[http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2532908 "Minuteman" paint scheme]]. Instead, the engines are painted in their original Burlington Northern paint schemes, a railroad that didn't even exist until 1970 [[http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burlington_Northern]]. This is somewhat understandable given the filming location (Glencoe, Illinois) and the almost non-existant availability of Boston & Maine diesels, however a working Boston & Maine streamliner operates at a tourist railroad in New Hampshire [[http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3013819]].

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* JustTrainWrong: At :43:05, an [=EMD=] "F" unit can be seen pulling a train carrying New Hampshire hero Rene Gagnon into Manchester, NH While [=EMD=] was indeed building this style of locomotive starting in 1939, A careful inspection of spotting details reveals the lead loco to be an [=EMD=] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_F9 F9]], a post-war model not introduced until 1953. \n A more appropriate streamliner would have been an [[http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2532908 EMD E7, preferably in Boston & Maine paint]].
** Not only are the diesels the wrong model, but their paint scheme is incorrect as well. The scene takes place in Manchester, NH in 1945 so the locomotives should be painted in the Boston & Maine Railroad's famous maroon and gold [[http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2532908 "Minuteman" paint scheme]]. Instead, the engines are painted in their original Burlington Northern paint schemes, a railroad that didn't even exist until 1970 [[http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burlington_Northern]]. This is somewhat understandable given the filming location (Glencoe, Illinois) and the almost non-existant availability of Boston & Maine diesels, however a working Boston & Maine streamliner operates at a tourist railroad in New Hampshire [[http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3013819]].
15th May '15 11:37:23 AM RickKfoury
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* JustTrainWrong: At :43:05, an [=EMD=] "F" unit can be seen pulling a train carrying New Hampshire hero Rene Gagnon into Manchester, NH While [=EMD=] was indeed building this style of locomotive starting in 1939, A careful inspection of spotting details reveals the lead loco to be an [=EMD=] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_F9 F9]], a post-war model not introduced until 1953. A more appropriate streamliner would have been an [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_FT FT model]]. Later in the film, [=CB&Q=] 9911A averts this due to being a pre-war model.
** Not only are the diesels the wrong model, but their paint scheme is incorrect as well. The scene takes place in Manchester, NH in 1945 so the locomotives should be painted in the Boston & Maine Railroad's famous maroon and gold [[http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2532908 "Minuteman" paint scheme]]. Instead, the engines are painted in their original Burlington Northern paint schemes, a railroad that didn't even exist until 1970. This is somewhat understandable given the filming location (Glencoe, Illinois) and the almost non-existant availability of Boston & Maine diesels, however a working Boston & Maine streamliner operates at a tourist railroad in New Hampshire [[http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3013819]].

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* JustTrainWrong: At :43:05, an [=EMD=] "F" unit can be seen pulling a train carrying New Hampshire hero Rene Gagnon into Manchester, NH While [=EMD=] was indeed building this style of locomotive starting in 1939, A careful inspection of spotting details reveals the lead loco to be an [=EMD=] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_F9 F9]], a post-war model not introduced until 1953.
A more appropriate streamliner would have been an [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_FT FT model]]. Later [[http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2532908 EMD E7, preferably in the film, [=CB&Q=] 9911A averts this due to being a pre-war model.Boston & Maine paint]].
** Not only are the diesels the wrong model, but their paint scheme is incorrect as well. The scene takes place in Manchester, NH in 1945 so the locomotives should be painted in the Boston & Maine Railroad's famous maroon and gold [[http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2532908 "Minuteman" paint scheme]]. Instead, the engines are painted in their original Burlington Northern paint schemes, a railroad that didn't even exist until 1970.1970 [[http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burlington_Northern]]. This is somewhat understandable given the filming location (Glencoe, Illinois) and the almost non-existant availability of Boston & Maine diesels, however a working Boston & Maine streamliner operates at a tourist railroad in New Hampshire [[http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3013819]].aspx?id=3013819]].
** Glencoe, Illinois stood in as Manchester, NH and the Glencoe station [[http://www.shore-line.org/FirstAndFastest/images/FooF02.jpg]] is visually similar to Amoskeag Depot [[https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1229/681099578_44c419ca8d_z.jpg?zz=1]], a railroad station that still stands in Manchester. However, when Rene Gagnon arrived in Manchester in 1945, he arrived at Manchester Union Station [[http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VOqEokUbfRQ/TmDjb3ulO5I/AAAAAAAAAyU/auLeGqJYFO8/s1600/1987-49L-002.JPG]] (which was torn down in 1962), not Amoskeag Station. Plus, Glencoe is far less urban than the City of Manchester.
15th May '15 11:21:06 AM RickKfoury
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** Not only are the diesels the wrong model, but their paint scheme is incorrect as well. The scene takes place in Manchester, NH in 1945 so the locomotives should be painted in the Boston & Maine Railroad's famous maroon and gold "Minuteman" paint scheme [[http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2532908]]. Instead, the engines are painted in their original Burlington Northern paint schemes, a railroad that didn't even exist until 1970. This is somewhat understandable given the filming location (Glencoe, Illinois) and the almost non-existant availability of Boston & Maine diesels, however a working Boston & Maine streamliner operates at a tourist railroad in New Hampshire.

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** Not only are the diesels the wrong model, but their paint scheme is incorrect as well. The scene takes place in Manchester, NH in 1945 so the locomotives should be painted in the Boston & Maine Railroad's famous maroon and gold "Minuteman" paint scheme gold [[http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2532908]].aspx?id=2532908 "Minuteman" paint scheme]]. Instead, the engines are painted in their original Burlington Northern paint schemes, a railroad that didn't even exist until 1970. This is somewhat understandable given the filming location (Glencoe, Illinois) and the almost non-existant availability of Boston & Maine diesels, however a working Boston & Maine streamliner operates at a tourist railroad in New Hampshire.Hampshire [[http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3013819]].
15th May '15 11:18:33 AM RickKfoury
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** Not only are the diesels the wrong model, but their paint scheme is incorrect as well. The scene takes place in Manchester, NH in 1945 so the locomotives should be painted in the Boston & Maine Railroad's famous maroon and gold "Minuteman" paint scheme. Instead, the engines are painted in their original Burlington Northern paint schemes, a railroad that didn't even exist until 1970. This is somewhat understandable given the filming location (Glencoe, Illinois) and the almost non-existant availability of Boston & Maine diesels, however a working Boston & Maine streamliner operates at a tourist railroad in New Hampshire.

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** Not only are the diesels the wrong model, but their paint scheme is incorrect as well. The scene takes place in Manchester, NH in 1945 so the locomotives should be painted in the Boston & Maine Railroad's famous maroon and gold "Minuteman" paint scheme.scheme [[http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2532908]]. Instead, the engines are painted in their original Burlington Northern paint schemes, a railroad that didn't even exist until 1970. This is somewhat understandable given the filming location (Glencoe, Illinois) and the almost non-existant availability of Boston & Maine diesels, however a working Boston & Maine streamliner operates at a tourist railroad in New Hampshire.
15th May '15 11:13:27 AM RickKfoury
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* JustTrainWrong: At :43:05, an [=EMD=] "F" unit can be seen pulling a wartime troop train into town with the heroes aboard. While [=EMD=] was indeed building this style of locomotive starting in 1939, A careful inspection of spotting details reveals the lead loco to be an [=EMD=] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_F9 F9]], a post-war model not introduced until 1953. A more appropriate streamliner would have been an [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_FT FT model]]. Later in the film, [=CB&Q=] 9911A averts this due to being a pre-war model.
** Not only are the diesel the wrong model, but their paint scheme is incorrect as well. The scene takes place in Manchester, NH in 1945 so the locomotives should be painted in the Boston & Maine Railroad's famous maroon and gold "Minuteman" paint scheme. Instead, the engines are painted in their original Burlington Northern paint schemes, a railroad that didn't even exist until 1970. This is somewhat understandable given the filming location (Glencoe, Illinois) and the almost non-existant availability of Boston & Maine diesels, however a working Boston & Maine streamliner operates at a tourist railroad in New Hampshire.

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* JustTrainWrong: At :43:05, an [=EMD=] "F" unit can be seen pulling a wartime troop train carrying New Hampshire hero Rene Gagnon into town with the heroes aboard. Manchester, NH While [=EMD=] was indeed building this style of locomotive starting in 1939, A careful inspection of spotting details reveals the lead loco to be an [=EMD=] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_F9 F9]], a post-war model not introduced until 1953. A more appropriate streamliner would have been an [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_FT FT model]]. Later in the film, [=CB&Q=] 9911A averts this due to being a pre-war model.
** Not only are the diesel diesels the wrong model, but their paint scheme is incorrect as well. The scene takes place in Manchester, NH in 1945 so the locomotives should be painted in the Boston & Maine Railroad's famous maroon and gold "Minuteman" paint scheme. Instead, the engines are painted in their original Burlington Northern paint schemes, a railroad that didn't even exist until 1970. This is somewhat understandable given the filming location (Glencoe, Illinois) and the almost non-existant availability of Boston & Maine diesels, however a working Boston & Maine streamliner operates at a tourist railroad in New Hampshire.
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