History Film / DancesWithWolves

21st Sep '17 10:31:31 AM lorgskyegon
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** Maybe. The Sioux raid the Pawnee earlier in the film and Stands With A Fist's family is incredibly insulting to them. Both narrow justifications for the attacks.
14th Sep '17 6:39:28 PM fatescanner
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** Subverted during production where the media and most of Hollywood thought the film would crash and burn dubbing it Kevin's gate in reference to Heavens Gate

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** Subverted during production where the media and most of Hollywood thought the film would crash and burn burn, dubbing it Kevin's gate 'Kevin's Gate' in reference to Heavens Gate''Film/HeavensGate''
9th Sep '17 12:28:14 PM fgenzo159
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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: Although more accurate than previous films in its depiction of the West and native peoples, it still has innacurracies. First, the whites are shown as hunting buffalo solely to take skins. This was not yet the case in 1865, and would only begin in 1871. At that point buffalo were still hunted by the whites for meat. Secondly, the Lakota are portrayed as simply defending themselves, and the Pawnee are evil allies of the US government. However, it was actually the Lakota who had been the aggressors against the Pawnee, moving into the Plains in the late 1700s from the northeast. This is ''why'' tribes such as the Pawnee, Arikara and Crow were allies of the US government against the Lakota (not that it helped them later, of course), since the Lakota had been pushing them out of their land. While the Pawnee could be brutal, they were no more so than the Lakota. Of course, this is simply to show the viewer who the good and bad guys are, without complicating matters.

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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: Although more accurate than previous films in its depiction of the West and native peoples, it still has innacurracies. First, the whites inaccuracies:
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are shown as hunting buffalo buffaloes solely to take their skins. This was not yet the case in 1865, and would only begin in 1871. At that point buffalo were point, settlers still hunted by the whites buffaloes also for meat. Secondly, the their meat.
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Lakota are portrayed as simply defending themselves, and the Pawnee are as evil allies of the US government. However, it was actually the Lakota who had been the aggressors against the Pawnee, moving into the Plains in the late 1700s from the northeast. northeast, and still perpetrating massacres of Pawnee in 1843. This is actually ''why'' tribes other tribes, such as the Pawnee, Arikara and Crow Crow, were allies of the US government against the Lakota (not that it helped them later, of course), later), since the Lakota had been pushing them out of their land. While the Pawnee could be brutal, they were no more so than the Lakota. Of course, this This is simply due to show the viewer who the SlidingScaleOfAntagonistVileness, in order to define clearly good and bad guys are, based on their respective Native American Tribes, without complicating matters.



* DubText: The censors removed a scene where Dances with Wolves and Wind in his Hair debate the size of a buffalo, because they thought it was referring to the former's penis. This probably also adds to the HoYay. Also, the Lakotah language coach was a woman, and nobody seemed to have realized that there are male and female Lakotah pronunciations and styles -- meaning [[MemeticMutation it's a trap!]] The overall effect for Lakotah-speaking audiences was a bunch of Klingon warriors talking like a ladies' Saturday afternoon tea social.

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* DubText: The censors removed a scene where Dances with Wolves and Wind in his Hair debate the size of a buffalo, because they thought it was referring to the former's penis. This probably also adds to the HoYay. Also, the Lakotah Lakota language coach was a woman, and nobody seemed to have realized that there are male and female Lakotah Lakota pronunciations and styles -- meaning [[MemeticMutation it's a trap!]] The overall effect for Lakotah-speaking Lakota-speaking audiences was a bunch of Klingon warriors talking like a ladies' Saturday afternoon tea social.



* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: The Pawnee tribe should sue for slander.

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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: The Pawnee tribe should sue for slander.slander (see ArtisticLicenseHistory).
21st Aug '17 1:13:26 PM darkemyst
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* TheNameless: Wes Studi's character, who is only credited as "Toughest Pawnee", and Lt. Elgin's commanding officer.


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* NoNameGiven : Wes Studi's character, who is only credited as "Toughest Pawnee", and Lt. Elgin's commanding officer.
19th Aug '17 2:01:23 AM XFllo
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* RobbingTheDead: The wagon driver who transports Lieutenant Dunbar to Fort Sedgewick. After he's killed by a Sioux war party, one of the party is seen eating Timmons' beloved pickled eggs.
1st Mar '17 7:13:56 AM Ma35tro
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* HateSink: The film doesn't really have a true villain, but you can definitely hate the squad of Union soldiers that captures John Dunbar. With the exception of [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure Lt. Elgin]], they're a bunch of sadistic [[JerkAss Jerk Asses]] who [[spoiler: kill Cisco right underneath John, and later kill Two Socks just for fun]]. To a lesser extent, the Pawnee, who are also mostly depicted as [[KickTheDog dog-kicking machines]] as they kill innocents and shoot dogs with arrows.

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* HateSink: The film doesn't really have a true villain, but you can definitely hate the squad of Union soldiers that captures John Dunbar.Dunbar (especially Corporal Spivey). With the exception of [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure Lt. Elgin]], they're a bunch of sadistic [[JerkAss Jerk Asses]] who [[spoiler: kill Cisco right underneath John, and later kill Two Socks just for fun]]. To a lesser extent, the Pawnee, who are also mostly depicted as [[KickTheDog dog-kicking machines]] as they kill innocents and shoot dogs with arrows.



* TheNameless: Wes Studi's character, who is only credited as "Toughest Pawnee".

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* TheNameless: Wes Studi's character, who is only credited as "Toughest Pawnee".Pawnee", and Lt. Elgin's commanding officer.
24th Oct '16 11:33:35 AM roxana
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* NameThatUnfoldsLikeLotusBlossom: All the Native Americans (except Otter), which is a pretty accurate representation of RealLife naming conventions.

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* NameThatUnfoldsLikeLotusBlossom: All the Native Americans (except Otter), which is a pretty accurate representation of RealLife naming conventions. Or not. Real Life Indian names are ''much'' less poetic than the movie kind. Take for example that fierce Comanche warrior ''Men Standing Around On A Hill''/



* RaceLift: The Comanche of the book were replaced with Lakota Sioux due to the scarcity of buffalo in New Mexico and the difficulty of finding people who could speak Comanche. The greater abundance of buffalo in South Dakota, and the larger number of people who could speak the relevant language, made the Lakota Sioux more ideal for the film's purposes.

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* RaceLift: The Comanche of the book were replaced with Lakota Sioux due to the scarcity of buffalo in New Mexico and the difficulty of finding people who could speak Comanche. The greater abundance of buffalo in South Dakota, and the larger number of people who could speak the relevant language, made the Lakota Sioux more ideal for the film's purposes. Not that it mattered. The so-called 'Comanche' of the novel were actually generic Plains Indians.
4th Oct '16 1:03:15 PM CumbersomeTercel
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* ReCut: An Extended Cut was shown in Europe that adds practically an hour to the running time. While the focus on John Dunbar is lost, all the characters get a buttload of development. Also, the precise reason why the Army camp was deserted was explained. This has been released on DVD, and is the only way to get a widescreen version of the film without eBay.
19th Aug '16 5:21:17 PM taddavis
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* StockSoundEffects: I've heard Timmons' fart somewhere before.

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* StockSoundEffects: I've Has anyone heard Timmons' fart somewhere before.before?
10th Jul '16 10:59:43 AM KnightLight321
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* NakedFirstImpression: Kicking Bird first meets Dunbar while the latter is walking back to camp after bathing in a stream, not having bothered to put on some clothes in the meantime.
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