History Film / Conspiracy

18th Sep '16 2:19:04 AM JackG
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* StatingTheSimpleSolution: After getting fed up of Stuckart's very vocal advocation of mass sterilisation, [[ShutUpKirk Heydrich puts him back in his place]]:

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* StatingTheSimpleSolution: StatingTheSimpleSolution:
** After all the legal and manpower issues are raised, Stuckart says the easiest solution is to sterilize the entire Jewish population, letting them die out naturally.
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After getting fed up of Stuckart's very vocal advocation of mass sterilisation, [[ShutUpKirk Heydrich puts him back in his place]]:
16th Sep '16 4:00:24 PM DeanMT94
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* RetroactiveRecognition: The switchboard operator that Eichmann instructs to only allow calls from Hitler himself to be received at the meeting? Creator/TomHiddleston.
16th Sep '16 7:22:06 AM MAI742
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Starring an EnsembleCast, including Creator/KennethBranagh, Creator/ColinFirth and Stanley Tucci, the film follows SS-Obersturmbannführer (Lieutenant Colonel) Adolf Eichmann as he organizes the meeting itself. Represented are the [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters Security Police (under Heydrich), Criminal Police, Regional Security Chief for the ''Generalgouvernment'', a representative of Hans Frank's ''Generalgouvernment'', Alfred Rosenberg's Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories, the Ministry of the Interior, the Ministry of Justice, the Foreign Office, the Party Chancellory, the Reich Chancellory, the SS Race and Settlement Office, and the Luftwaffe's Four Year Plan Organisation]]. All have been recalled to the Berlin suburb of Wannsee from their duty stations for a conference, but very few have heard what the conference is actually meant to cover. After a round of genial introductions and conversation over appetizers, SS-Obergruppenführer (General-equivalent) Reinhard Heydrich, the conference's ranking member, arrives and explains that they are there to discuss what to do with 'The Jews'.

Though the meeting is phrased as a discussion panel for the formulation of policy, Heydrich quickly makes it clear that the policy has already been decided and he is there to inform everybody of their roles: namely, starting in the summer the 'unskilled' Jews currently held in Germany's eastern districts and the ''Generalgouvernment'' will be deported to extermination facilities (currently under construction) in the ''Generalgouvernment'' staffed by local police forces (under the command of the SS District Chiefs). Those who argue against this policy, either because [[EvenEvilHasStandards they feel the mass execution of all 'unskilled' Jews goes too far]] or [[PragmaticVillainy because they feel the policy has been poorly thought out and will have negative consequences for Germany]], are persuaded or threatened by Heydrich into agreement in a series of private conversations during brief lulls in the meeting. The ''Generalgouvernment'', on the other hand, would like the process sped up so that it will not have to keep shouldering the burden of feeding so many Useless Mouths.

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Starring an EnsembleCast, including Creator/KennethBranagh, Creator/ColinFirth and Stanley Tucci, the film follows SS-Obersturmbannführer (Lieutenant Colonel) Adolf Eichmann as he organizes the meeting itself. Represented are the [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters Security Police (under Heydrich), Criminal Police, Regional Security Chief for the ''Generalgouvernment'', ''Generalgouvernement'', a representative of Hans Frank's ''Generalgouvernment'', ''Generalgouvernement'', Alfred Rosenberg's Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories, the Ministry of the Interior, the Ministry of Justice, the Foreign Office, the Party Chancellory, the Reich Chancellory, the SS Race and Settlement Office, and the Luftwaffe's Four Year Plan Organisation]]. All have been recalled to the Berlin suburb of Wannsee from their duty stations for a conference, but very few have heard what the conference is actually meant to cover. After a round of genial introductions and conversation over appetizers, SS-Obergruppenführer (General-equivalent) Reinhard Heydrich, the conference's ranking member, arrives and explains that they are there to discuss what to do with 'The Jews'.

Though the meeting is phrased as a discussion panel for the formulation of policy, Heydrich quickly makes it clear that the policy has already been decided and he is there to inform everybody of their roles: namely, starting in the summer the 'unskilled' Jews currently held in Germany's eastern districts and the ''Generalgouvernment'' ''Generalgouvernement'' will be deported to extermination facilities (currently under construction) in the ''Generalgouvernment'' ''Generalgouvernement'' staffed by local police forces (under the command of the SS District Chiefs). Those who argue against this policy, either because [[EvenEvilHasStandards they feel the mass execution of all 'unskilled' Jews goes too far]] or [[PragmaticVillainy because they feel the policy has been poorly thought out and will have negative consequences for Germany]], are persuaded or threatened by Heydrich into agreement in a series of private conversations during brief lulls in the meeting. The ''Generalgouvernment'', ''Generalgouvernement'', on the other hand, would like the process sped up so that it will not have to keep shouldering the burden of feeding so many Useless Mouths.



* '''Ben Daniels''' as '''Dr. Josef Bühler''': State Secretary of Hans Frank's ''Generalgouvernment'' (of Poland). He testified against Hans Frank during the Nürnberg trials and was later extradited to Poland, tried, and hanged in 1948.

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* '''Ben Daniels''' as '''Dr. Josef Bühler''': State Secretary of Hans Frank's ''Generalgouvernment'' ''Generalgouvernement'' (of Poland). He testified against Hans Frank during the Nürnberg trials and was later extradited to Poland, tried, and hanged in 1948.



* '''Pete Sullivan''' as '''Karl Eberhard Schoengarth''': A young, arrogant and careerist SD Officer assigned to the ''Generalgouvernment''. He was captured by the Allies, charged with the murder of a downed Allied airman and hanged by the British in 1945.

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* '''Pete Sullivan''' as '''Karl Eberhard Schoengarth''': A young, arrogant and careerist SD Officer assigned to the ''Generalgouvernment''.''Generalgouvernement''. He was captured by the Allies, charged with the murder of a downed Allied airman and hanged by the British in 1945.



* InterserviceRivalry: Much of the tension at the table is provided by the rivalry between the SS, the Party Chancellery, the ''Generalgouvernment'', the Interior and Justice Ministries and the Office of the Four Year Plan. It's notable that in RealLife, UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler specifically invoked this in a social darwinist method. Having all these factions fighting with each other left him to reign supreme above the rest of the system, and it would supposedly result in having the "strongest" prevailing over the others.

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* InterserviceRivalry: Much of the tension at the table is provided by the rivalry between the SS, the Party Chancellery, the ''Generalgouvernment'', ''Generalgouvernement'', the Interior and Justice Ministries and the Office of the Four Year Plan. It's notable that in RealLife, UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler specifically invoked this in a social darwinist method. Having all these factions fighting with each other left him to reign supreme above the rest of the system, and it would supposedly result in having the "strongest" prevailing over the others.



** Unmentioned is the ''Generalgouvernment'''s food shortage. While murder is not necessarily the ''best'' solution for them, they really do need to find some way of reducing the number of mouths they have to feed if they want to avoid rebellion.

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** Unmentioned is the ''Generalgouvernment'''s ''Generalgouvernement'''s food shortage. While murder is not necessarily the ''best'' solution for them, they really do need to find some way of reducing the number of mouths they have to feed if they want to avoid rebellion.
16th Sep '16 7:14:00 AM MAI742
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Starring an EnsembleCast, including Creator/KennethBranagh, Creator/ColinFirth and Stanley Tucci, the film follows SS-Obersturmbannführer (Lieutenant Colonel) Adolf Eichmann as he organizes the meeting itself. Represented are the [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters Security Police (under Heydrich), Criminal Police, Regional Security Chief for the Generalgovernment, a representative of Hans Frank's Generalgovernment, Alfred Rosenberg's Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories, the Ministry of the Interior, the Ministry of Justice, the Foreign Office, the Party Chancellory, the Reich Chancellory, the SS Race and Settlement Office, and the Luftwaffe's Four Year Plan Organisation]]. All have been recalled to the Berlin suburb of Wannsee from their duty stations for a conference, but very few have heard what the conference is actually meant to cover. After a round of genial introductions and conversation over appetizers, SS-Obergruppenführer (General-equivalent) Reinhard Heydrich, the conference's ranking member, arrives and explains that they are there to discuss what to do with 'The Jews'.

Though the meeting is phrased as a discussion panel for the formulation of policy, Heydrich quickly makes it clear that the policy has already been decided and he is there to inform everybody of their roles: namely, starting in the summer the 'unskilled' Jews currently held in Germany's eastern districts and the Generalgovernment will be deported to extermination facilities (currently under construction) in the Generalgovernment staffed by local police forces (under the command of the SS District Chiefs). Those who argue against this policy, either because [[EvenEvilHasStandards they feel the mass execution of all 'unskilled' Jews goes too far]] or [[PragmaticVillainy because they feel the policy has been poorly thought out and will have negative consequences for Germany]], are persuaded or threatened by Heydrich into agreement in a series of private conversations during brief lulls in the meeting. The Generalgovernment, on the other hand, would like the process sped up so that it will not have to keep shouldering the burden of feeding so many Useless Mouths.

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Starring an EnsembleCast, including Creator/KennethBranagh, Creator/ColinFirth and Stanley Tucci, the film follows SS-Obersturmbannführer (Lieutenant Colonel) Adolf Eichmann as he organizes the meeting itself. Represented are the [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters Security Police (under Heydrich), Criminal Police, Regional Security Chief for the Generalgovernment, ''Generalgouvernment'', a representative of Hans Frank's Generalgovernment, ''Generalgouvernment'', Alfred Rosenberg's Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories, the Ministry of the Interior, the Ministry of Justice, the Foreign Office, the Party Chancellory, the Reich Chancellory, the SS Race and Settlement Office, and the Luftwaffe's Four Year Plan Organisation]]. All have been recalled to the Berlin suburb of Wannsee from their duty stations for a conference, but very few have heard what the conference is actually meant to cover. After a round of genial introductions and conversation over appetizers, SS-Obergruppenführer (General-equivalent) Reinhard Heydrich, the conference's ranking member, arrives and explains that they are there to discuss what to do with 'The Jews'.

Though the meeting is phrased as a discussion panel for the formulation of policy, Heydrich quickly makes it clear that the policy has already been decided and he is there to inform everybody of their roles: namely, starting in the summer the 'unskilled' Jews currently held in Germany's eastern districts and the Generalgovernment ''Generalgouvernment'' will be deported to extermination facilities (currently under construction) in the Generalgovernment ''Generalgouvernment'' staffed by local police forces (under the command of the SS District Chiefs). Those who argue against this policy, either because [[EvenEvilHasStandards they feel the mass execution of all 'unskilled' Jews goes too far]] or [[PragmaticVillainy because they feel the policy has been poorly thought out and will have negative consequences for Germany]], are persuaded or threatened by Heydrich into agreement in a series of private conversations during brief lulls in the meeting. The Generalgovernment, ''Generalgouvernment'', on the other hand, would like the process sped up so that it will not have to keep shouldering the burden of feeding so many Useless Mouths.



* '''Ben Daniels''' as '''Dr. Josef Bühler''': State Secretary of Hans Frank's Generalgovernment (of Poland). He testified against Hans Frank during the Nürnberg trials and was later extradited to Poland, tried, and hanged in 1948.

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* '''Ben Daniels''' as '''Dr. Josef Bühler''': State Secretary of Hans Frank's Generalgovernment ''Generalgouvernment'' (of Poland). He testified against Hans Frank during the Nürnberg trials and was later extradited to Poland, tried, and hanged in 1948.



* '''Pete Sullivan''' as '''Karl Eberhard Schoengarth''': A young, arrogant and careerist SD Officer assigned to the Generalgovernment of Poland. He was captured by the Allies, charged with the murder of a downed Allied airman and hanged by the British in 1945.

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* '''Pete Sullivan''' as '''Karl Eberhard Schoengarth''': A young, arrogant and careerist SD Officer assigned to the Generalgovernment of Poland.''Generalgouvernment''. He was captured by the Allies, charged with the murder of a downed Allied airman and hanged by the British in 1945.



* ChromosomeCasting: The only female character in the film is a maid who briefly appears. The rest are all men, as the Nazi government was quite reactionary when it came to gender issues and they considered politics a purely masculine field.

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* ChromosomeCasting: The only female character in the film is a maid who briefly appears. The rest are all men, as the Nazi government was quite reactionary when it came to gender issues and they considered politics a purely masculine field.



* InterserviceRivalry: Much of the tension at the table is provided by the rivalry between the SS, the Party Chancellery, the General Government, the Interior and Justice Ministries and the Office of the Four Year Plan. It's notable that in RealLife, UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler specifically invoked this in a social darwinist method. Having all these factions fighting with each other left him to reign supreme above the rest of the system, and it would supposedly result in having the "strongest" prevailing over the others.

to:

* InterserviceRivalry: Much of the tension at the table is provided by the rivalry between the SS, the Party Chancellery, the General Government, ''Generalgouvernment'', the Interior and Justice Ministries and the Office of the Four Year Plan. It's notable that in RealLife, UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler specifically invoked this in a social darwinist method. Having all these factions fighting with each other left him to reign supreme above the rest of the system, and it would supposedly result in having the "strongest" prevailing over the others.



** Unmentioned is the Generalgovernment's food shortage. While murder is not necessarily the ''best'' solution for them, they really do need to find some way of reducing the number of mouths they have to feed if they want to avoid rebellion.

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** Unmentioned is the Generalgovernment's ''Generalgouvernment'''s food shortage. While murder is not necessarily the ''best'' solution for them, they really do need to find some way of reducing the number of mouths they have to feed if they want to avoid rebellion.
27th May '16 12:12:34 AM Morgenthaler
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* BlondGuysAreEvil: Heydrich is a platinum blond-haired man who personifies the Nazi ideal of the Aryan man; fit, warlike, cruel, [[AmbitionIsEvil ambitious]], manipulative, and racially arrogant in the extreme.
6th Apr '16 7:15:50 AM GuyIncog
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*** It also says something that Eichmann, who has already been established as ruthless in his own right (see below) and has been simply a polite host to the other attendees, displays absolute deference to Heydrich from the moment he walks in.


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** Kritzinger has another when he refuses to partake in the rumor-mongering about the situation in Moscow, stating bluntly that the German forces are stalled for the winter.
-->'''Kritzinger''': ''It is time to face reality.''
6th Apr '16 12:22:03 AM GuyIncog
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** The conference as a whole: a business luncheon - held at a palatial estate in a fancy Berlin suburb, catered with [[FoodPorn mouth-wateringly depicted]] food and drink - convened by some of the most evil men in history for the purpose of planning mass murder on a horrifically unprecedented scale.
3rd Apr '16 7:45:09 PM LeedsKing
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Starring an EnsembleCast, including Creator/KennethBranagh, Creator/ColinFirth and Stanley Tucci, the film follows SS-Obersturmbannführer (Lieutenant Colonel) Adolf Eichmann as he organizes the meeting itself. Represented are the [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters Security Police (under Heydrich), Criminal Police, Regional Security Chief for the Generalgouvernment, a representative of Hans Frank's Generalgouvernment, Alfred Rosenberg's Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories, the Ministry of the Interior, the Ministry of Justice, the Foreign Office, the Party Chancellory, the Reich Chancellory, the SS Race and Settlement Office, and the Luftwaffe's Four Year Plan Organisation]]. All have been recalled to the Berlin suburb of Wannsee from their duty stations for a conference, but very few have heard what the conference is actually meant to cover. After a round of genial introductions and conversation over appetizers, SS-Obergruppenführer (General-equivalent) Reinhard Heydrich, the conference's ranking member, arrives and explains that they are there to discuss what to do with 'The Jews'.

Though the meeting is phrased as a discussion panel for the formulation of policy, Heydrich quickly makes it clear that the policy has already been decided and he is there to inform everybody of their roles: namely, starting in the summer the 'unskilled' Jews currently held in Germany's eastern districts and the Generalgouvernment will be deported to extermination facilities (currently under construction) in the Generalgouvernment staffed by local police forces (under the command of the SS District Chiefs). Those who argue against this policy, either because [[EvenEvilHasStandards they feel the mass execution of all 'unskilled' Jews goes too far]] or [[PragmaticVillainy because they feel the policy has been poorly thought out and will have negative consequences for Germany]], are persuaded or threatened by Heydrich into agreement in a series of private conversations during brief lulls in the meeting. The Generalgouvernment, on the other hand, would like the process sped up so that it will not have to keep shouldering the burden of feeding so many Useless Mouths.

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Starring an EnsembleCast, including Creator/KennethBranagh, Creator/ColinFirth and Stanley Tucci, the film follows SS-Obersturmbannführer (Lieutenant Colonel) Adolf Eichmann as he organizes the meeting itself. Represented are the [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters Security Police (under Heydrich), Criminal Police, Regional Security Chief for the Generalgouvernment, Generalgovernment, a representative of Hans Frank's Generalgouvernment, Generalgovernment, Alfred Rosenberg's Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories, the Ministry of the Interior, the Ministry of Justice, the Foreign Office, the Party Chancellory, the Reich Chancellory, the SS Race and Settlement Office, and the Luftwaffe's Four Year Plan Organisation]]. All have been recalled to the Berlin suburb of Wannsee from their duty stations for a conference, but very few have heard what the conference is actually meant to cover. After a round of genial introductions and conversation over appetizers, SS-Obergruppenführer (General-equivalent) Reinhard Heydrich, the conference's ranking member, arrives and explains that they are there to discuss what to do with 'The Jews'.

Though the meeting is phrased as a discussion panel for the formulation of policy, Heydrich quickly makes it clear that the policy has already been decided and he is there to inform everybody of their roles: namely, starting in the summer the 'unskilled' Jews currently held in Germany's eastern districts and the Generalgouvernment Generalgovernment will be deported to extermination facilities (currently under construction) in the Generalgouvernment Generalgovernment staffed by local police forces (under the command of the SS District Chiefs). Those who argue against this policy, either because [[EvenEvilHasStandards they feel the mass execution of all 'unskilled' Jews goes too far]] or [[PragmaticVillainy because they feel the policy has been poorly thought out and will have negative consequences for Germany]], are persuaded or threatened by Heydrich into agreement in a series of private conversations during brief lulls in the meeting. The Generalgouvernment, Generalgovernment, on the other hand, would like the process sped up so that it will not have to keep shouldering the burden of feeding so many Useless Mouths.



* '''Brian Pettifer''' as '''Alfred Meyer''': A bespectacled, shrewish man, Meyer respresents Alfred Rosenberg's Reich Ministry for the occupied Eastern Territories. He does not care what is done about the Jews, as long as it is done ''fast'' due to the challenge of keeping the ghettos pacified and free of disease (which he fears may spread to the ''Volkdeutsch''). He committed suicide in 1945 when it became apparent that Germany was about to lose the war.

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* '''Brian Pettifer''' as '''Alfred Meyer''': A bespectacled, shrewish man, Meyer respresents Alfred Rosenberg's Reich Ministry for the occupied Eastern Territories. He does not care what is done about the Jews, as long as it is done ''fast'' due to the challenge of keeping the ghettos pacified and free of disease (which he fears may spread to the ''Volkdeutsch'').''Volksdeutsch''). He committed suicide in 1945 when it became apparent that Germany was about to lose the war.



* '''Ben Daniels''' as '''Dr. Josef Bühler''': State Secretary of Hans Frank's Generalgouvernement (of Poland). He testified against Hans Frank during the Nürnberg trials and was later extradited to Poland, tried, and hanged in 1948.

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* '''Ben Daniels''' as '''Dr. Josef Bühler''': State Secretary of Hans Frank's Generalgouvernement Generalgovernment (of Poland). He testified against Hans Frank during the Nürnberg trials and was later extradited to Poland, tried, and hanged in 1948.



* '''Pete Sullivan''' as '''Karl Eberhard Schoengarth''': A young, arrogant and careerist SD Officer assigned to the General Goverment of Poland. He was captured by the Allies, charged with the murder of a downed Allied airman and hanged by the British in 1945.

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* '''Pete Sullivan''' as '''Karl Eberhard Schoengarth''': A young, arrogant and careerist SD Officer assigned to the General Goverment Generalgovernment of Poland. He was captured by the Allies, charged with the murder of a downed Allied airman and hanged by the British in 1945.



** Unmentioned is the Generalgouvernement's food shortage. While murder is not necessarily the ''best'' solution for them, they really do need to find some way of reducing the number of mouths they have to feed if they want to avoid rebellion.

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** Unmentioned is the Generalgouvernement's Generalgovernment's food shortage. While murder is not necessarily the ''best'' solution for them, they really do need to find some way of reducing the number of mouths they have to feed if they want to avoid rebellion.
19th Mar '16 6:02:35 PM SoapheadChurch
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* MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate: As well as lawyers there are also several doctors at the conference, and the effects of medical experiments involving euthanasia of mental patients are also mentioned.

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* MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate: As well Several of the attendees have doctorates (in law, as was the custom for government lawyers there are also several doctors at the conference, time), and the effects of medical experiments involving euthanasia of mental patients are also mentioned.
19th Mar '16 5:14:54 PM SoapheadChurch
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* None of the arguments and controversies shown in the film are present in the source material. However, the film takes the position that the historical record was doctored by Eichmann to create the illusion that everyone quickly and easily came to a consensus.
* In-universe, Eichmann is wrong when he says that Wannsee House was owned by a Jew - in fact, it had been owned by Friedrich Minoux, a CorruptCorporateExecutive who sold it to the Heydrich-controlled Nordhav Foundation in 1940 after being jailed for defrauding the Berlin Gasworks. The money to purchase it (ℛℳ145000000 in all) may have come from expropriated Jewish property, however.

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* ** None of the arguments and controversies shown in the film are present in the source material. However, the film takes the position that the historical record was doctored by Eichmann to create the illusion that everyone quickly and easily came to a consensus.
* ** In-universe, Eichmann is wrong when he says that Wannsee House was owned by a Jew - in fact, it had been owned by Friedrich Minoux, a CorruptCorporateExecutive who sold it to the Heydrich-controlled Nordhav Foundation in 1940 after being jailed for defrauding the Berlin Gasworks. The money to purchase it (ℛℳ145000000 in all) may have come from expropriated Jewish property, however.
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