History Film / CharlieWilsonsWar

6th Aug '16 10:30:19 PM JackG
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* BittersweetEnding: [[spoiler: Charlie Wilson succeeds in getting the American government to arm Afghan rebels and drive the Soviets out of Afghanistan. But when it comes time to rebuild the war-torn nation he can't raise one cent, allowing the extremist Taliban to take over Afghanistan. [[TheWarOnTerror And that all led to]]...]]
-->[[spoiler: '''Charlie Wilson''': These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game.]]

to:

* BittersweetEnding: [[spoiler: Charlie Wilson succeeds in getting the American government to arm Afghan rebels and drive the Soviets out of Afghanistan. But when it comes time to rebuild the war-torn nation he can't raise one cent, allowing the extremist Taliban to take over Afghanistan. [[TheWarOnTerror And that all led to]]...]]
-->[[spoiler: '''Charlie
to]]...
-->'''Charlie
Wilson''': These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game.]]



* {{Foreshadowing}}: [[spoiler: An airliner can be heard flying overhead as Gust tries to warn Wilson about "the crazies rolling into Kandahar"]].

to:

* {{Foreshadowing}}: [[spoiler: An airliner can be heard flying overhead as Gust tries to warn Wilson about "the crazies rolling into Kandahar"]].Kandahar".



* HarsherInHindsight: [[spoiler: Invoked, the movie makes a point about how [[WonTheWarLostThePeace neglecting the aftermath paves the way for a tyrannical regime.]] ]]
--> [[spoiler: '''Wilson:''' These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the endgame]].

to:

* HarsherInHindsight: [[spoiler: Invoked, the movie makes a point about how [[WonTheWarLostThePeace neglecting the aftermath paves the way for a tyrannical regime.]] ]]
--> [[spoiler: '''Wilson:'''
]]
-->'''Wilson:'''
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the endgame]].endgame.



* HowWeGotHere -- the movie opens [[spoiler: with Charlie Wilson being handed a civilian award for his efforts with the Afghan war. The movie then explains why Charlie has a [[HeroicBSOD pained, bittersweet expression]] on his face...]]

to:

* HowWeGotHere -- the movie opens [[spoiler: with Charlie Wilson being handed a civilian award for his efforts with the Afghan war. The movie then explains why Charlie has a [[HeroicBSOD pained, bittersweet expression]] on his face...]]



* JerkWithAHeartOfGold -- Gust. He's blunt, rude and lacking in social skills. But he's competent, knows his stuff... [[spoiler: and tries to warn Charlie at various points of the arming efforts that there could be painful consequences down the road]].

to:

* JerkWithAHeartOfGold -- Gust. He's blunt, rude and lacking in social skills. But he's competent, knows his stuff... [[spoiler: and tries to warn Charlie at various points of the arming efforts that there could be painful consequences down the road]].road.



* NiceJobBreakingItHero: [[spoiler: Subverted. It's not Charlie's fault that Afghanistan slides into Taliban control: he's seen trying to get his fellow congressmen to send more rebuilding aid and failing. It leads to Charlie's unhappy grimace at the award ceremony that the movie both opens and closes on. In RealLife, Charlie Wilson remained worried that his actions unintentionally contributed to TheWarOnTerror, and said that every time an airliner went down, he would be afraid that one of the Stingers they gave the Afghans would be responsible.]]

to:

* NiceJobBreakingItHero: [[spoiler: Subverted. It's not Charlie's fault that Afghanistan slides into Taliban control: he's seen trying to get his fellow congressmen to send more rebuilding aid and failing. It leads to Charlie's unhappy grimace at the award ceremony that the movie both opens and closes on. In RealLife, Charlie Wilson remained worried that his actions unintentionally contributed to TheWarOnTerror, and said that every time an airliner went down, he would be afraid that one of the Stingers they gave the Afghans would be responsible.]]



* OnlySaneMan: Gust has a sailor mouth, but he understands the world a lot better than most people, and knows that behind the celebration of the Soviet withdrawal, [[spoiler: new problems could very well emerge, and urges Charlie to resolve them]].

to:

* OnlySaneMan: Gust has a sailor mouth, but he understands the world a lot better than most people, and knows that behind the celebration of the Soviet withdrawal, [[spoiler: new problems could very well emerge, and urges Charlie to resolve them]].them.
6th Aug '16 10:26:33 PM JackG
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* AwesomeButImpractical: Vickers warns Wilson there's no 'magic bullet' weapon to throwing the Soviets out; the key is to equip the muj with a mix of weapons that will prevent the Soviet pilots from evolving tactics to overcome them. As it turns out the Stinger is a lot more effective than anyone realises.


Added DiffLines:

* BoringButPractical: Vickers warns Wilson there's no [[AwesomeButImpractical 'magic bullet' weapon]] to throwing the Soviets out; the key is to equip the muj with a mix of weapons that will prevent the Soviet pilots from evolving tactics to overcome them. As it turns out the Stinger is a lot more effective than anyone realises.
18th Jul '16 11:18:03 AM Morgenthaler
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* [[NoCelebritiesWereHarmed No Politicians Were Harmed]]: Few names were changed, although Amy Adams' character is a composite of several of Rep. Wilson's RealLife aides.
18th Jul '16 11:17:29 AM Morgenthaler
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* [[ObfuscatingStupidity Obfuscating Hedonism]]: Charlie's scandalous lifestyle distracts media attention from his fund-raising and lobbying for the war.
-->'''Gust: '''As long as the press sees sex and drugs behind the left hand, you can park a battle carrier behind the right hand.
2nd May '16 3:07:13 PM MRAustin
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* InterserviceRivalry: When Charlie is first introduced to former Green Beret (Army [[ElitesAreMoreGlamorous special forces]]) turned CIA weapons expert BadassBookworm Michael Vickers, all that Charlie can see is that Vickers looks like a nerdy kid and thinks that Gust is screwing with him. After being told Vickers' qualifications Charlie grudgingly apologizes and says that as a former Naval officer he should have known better than to judge from appearances. Vickers snarks that he would have been really surprised if an officer from the Navy had shown that much judgement

to:

* InterserviceRivalry: When Charlie is first introduced to former Green Beret (Army [[ElitesAreMoreGlamorous special forces]]) turned CIA weapons expert BadassBookworm Michael Vickers, all that Charlie can see is that Vickers looks like a nerdy kid and thinks that Gust is screwing with him. After being told Vickers' qualifications Charlie grudgingly apologizes and says that as a former Naval officer he should have known better than to judge from appearances. Vickers snarks that he would have been really surprised if an officer from the Navy had shown that much judgementjudgement. Gust, semi-diplomatically, tells the pair of them to knock that shit off and concentrate on the real issues.
28th Feb '16 1:59:23 PM TrollBrutal
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* WorldOfSnark

to:

* WorldOfSnarkWorldOfSnark: Aaron Sorkin's staple. Almost every conversation is riddled with sarcasm and witticisms.
28th Feb '16 1:57:22 PM TrollBrutal
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* SexySecretary -- Charlie was notorious for this in real life. His aides were referred to as "Charlie's Angels", a play on the television show of the same name.
** One of his secretaries explains it beautifully to a visitor: "Well... Congressman Wilson, he has an expression. He says, 'You can teach 'em to type, but you can't teach 'em to grow tits.'" Which was something the real Charlie Wilson said (to a reporter) who questioned him about his preference for hiring beautiful women as his aides.
** Also subverted by how the secretaries are very competent at their jobs. They're not just EyeCandy.

to:

* SexySecretary -- Charlie was notorious for this in real life. His aides were referred to as "Charlie's Angels", a play on the television show of the same name.
**
name. One of his secretaries explains it beautifully to a visitor: "Well... Congressman Wilson, he has an expression. He says, 'You can teach 'em to type, but you can't teach 'em to grow tits.'" Which was something the real Charlie Wilson said (to a reporter) who questioned him about his preference for hiring beautiful women as his aides.
** Also subverted by how
aides. Aside that, the secretaries are very competent at their jobs. They're not just EyeCandy.
28th Feb '16 1:29:03 PM lipranzer
Is there an issue? Send a Message


-->'''Gust:''' That's not entirely true, Zvi. I mean, some of them were trained by us.

to:

-->'''Gust:''' [[ITakeOffenseToThatLastOne That's not entirely true, Zvi. Zvi.]] I mean, some of them were trained by us.
30th Jan '16 9:46:16 PM wittylibrarian
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** Also subverted by how the secretaries are very competent at their jobs. They're not just EyeCandy.
19th Jan '16 4:05:37 PM bkitu
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* OnlySaneMan: Gus has a sailor mouth, but he understands the world a lot better than most people, and knows that behind the celebration of the Soviet withdrawal, [[spoiler: new problems could very well emerge, and urges Charlie to resolve them]].

to:

* OnlySaneMan: Gus Gust has a sailor mouth, but he understands the world a lot better than most people, and knows that behind the celebration of the Soviet withdrawal, [[spoiler: new problems could very well emerge, and urges Charlie to resolve them]].
This list shows the last 10 events of 95. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Film.CharlieWilsonsWar