History Film / BatmanForever

20th Jul '17 4:52:00 PM TropesForever
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* HighClassGlass: René Auberjonois' Dr. Burton wears a conspicuous monocle and {{bowtie|sAreCool}}.

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* HighClassGlass: René Auberjonois' Dr. Burton wears a conspicuous monocle and {{bowtie|sAreCool}}.bowtie.
20th Jul '17 4:49:05 PM TropesForever
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15th Jul '17 2:08:50 PM TitoMosquito
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* HeroicBystander: Dick and his family, while they try to get the bomb out of the circus. Dick's family gets killed by Two-Face while he was able to throw it to the ocean.
4th Jul '17 4:45:30 PM Lyendith
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* BrokenAesop: A good chunk of the movie is about how Dick shouldn't think that killing Two-Face will ease his pain in anyway. Then at the end, Batman proceeds [[spoiler:to trick Two-Face into falling to his death, i.e. indirectly kill him.]] Granted, there weren't a whole lot of alternatives in that situation, but it's still jarring.



* BrokenAesop: Bruce spends the entire movie telling Dick he can't kill Two-Face because it's wrong and won't fix anything. Finally, towards the end, Dick (as Robin) learns his lesson and saves Two-Face from dying even though it means getting captured. [[spoiler:And then ''Batman'' kills Two-Face anyway]].

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* BrokenAesop: Bruce spends the entire movie telling Dick he can't kill Two-Face because it's wrong and won't fix anything. Finally, towards the end, Dick (as Robin) learns his lesson and saves Two-Face from dying even though it means getting captured. [[spoiler:And then ''Batman'' kills Two-Face anyway]]. anyway.]]
4th Jul '17 4:44:31 PM Lyendith
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* BrokenAesop: A good chunk of the movie is about how Dick shouldn't think that killing Two-Face will ease his pain in anyway. Then at the end, Batman proceeds [[spoiler:to trick Two-Face into falling to his death, i.e. indirectly kill him.]] Granted, there weren't a whole lot of alternatives in that situation, but it's still jarring.
2nd Jul '17 11:39:26 AM DesertDragon
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* TrailersAlwaysSpoil: The [[VideoFullOfFilmClips music video]] for "Kiss From A Rose" by Seal shows the scene where Batman destroys The Box, where The Riddler was stockpiling people's brainwaves, and the video for "Hold Me Thrill Me Kiss Me Kill Me" by U2 shows Batman saving a captive Robin from being dropped into the pit below the Riddler's island. In other words, the two videos combined showed the majority of the movie's climax.
3rd Jun '17 10:24:02 PM maxwellsilver
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After the release of ''Film/BatmanReturns'', Creator/WarnerBros was in something of a difficult position. While they wanted to wallpaper their holiday mansions with $100 bills and ''{{Franchise/Batman}}'' was the franchise to bet on, the extremely dark storyline of ''Film/BatmanReturns'' made it a harder sell to the intended audience, namely entire families. By now, they wanted something different for the next film, limiting Creator/TimBurton to the role of producer and hiring Creator/JoelSchumacher to take over directing duties. And for good or for ill, ''Batman Forever'' was certainly different.

Batman ([[TheOtherDarrin now]] Creator/ValKilmer) is battling Harvey Dent / Two-Face ([[TheOtherDarrin now]] Creator/TommyLeeJones), a struggle that gets tougher when Edward Nygma/The Riddler (Creator/JimCarrey) enters the picture, as both have personal vendettas against the Bat. Batman finds an ally in orphaned acrobat Dick Grayson (Chris O'Donnell), who discovers Bruce Wayne's secret and becomes Robin with the initial intent of taking revenge against Two-Face, who killed his family. As a sub-plot, Bruce deals with a budding romance with psychiatrist Dr. Chase Meridian (Creator/NicoleKidman), something that naturally causes some problems because of his double-life.

The movie is [[LighterAndSofter brighter and the tone is softer]] but other than that it is considered to still be an entertaining film. One of the elements it's praised for is trying to further explore the character of Batman, giving him an arc the previous films lacked. Kilmer's Bruce Wayne is generally comparable next to Keaton, but some fans have argued that he has a better build and physical resemblance to Batman -- in fact, [[WordOfGod Bob Kane himself]] thought that Kilmer was the best Batman yet. Chris O'Donnell was a strong choice as Dick Grayson, [[CompositeCharacter mixing in elements]] of both the older Nightwing and the Jason Todd Robin. It's obvious that the film was attempting to appeal more to a broader audience, especially with the casting of Jim Carrey, who at the time was extremely bankable with children, and the broader attempts at humor and overall goofier plot. However, Carrey still played up the Riddler as a LargeHam, and his interpretation was considered rather favorable -- [[ItsPopularNowItSucks except by critics who were tired of seeing Jim Carrey]]. In fact, Carrey was becoming so overexposed that in 1995, he lampshaded it in his Series/{{S|aturdayNightLive}}NL monologue.

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After the release of ''Film/BatmanReturns'', Creator/WarnerBros was in something of a difficult position. While they wanted to wallpaper their holiday mansions with $100 bills and ''{{Franchise/Batman}}'' ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'' was the franchise to bet on, the extremely dark storyline of ''Film/BatmanReturns'' made it a harder sell to the intended audience, namely entire families. By now, they wanted something different for the next film, limiting Creator/TimBurton to the role of producer and hiring Creator/JoelSchumacher to take over directing duties. And for good or for ill, ''Batman Forever'' was certainly different.

Batman ([[TheOtherDarrin now]] Creator/ValKilmer) (Creator/ValKilmer) is battling Harvey Dent / Two-Face ([[TheOtherDarrin now]] Creator/TommyLeeJones), Dent[=/=]ComicBook/TwoFace (Creator/TommyLeeJones), a struggle that gets tougher when Edward Nygma/The Riddler (Creator/JimCarrey) enters the picture, as both have personal vendettas against the Bat. Batman finds an ally in orphaned acrobat Dick Grayson (Chris O'Donnell), who discovers Bruce Wayne's secret and becomes Robin with the initial intent of taking revenge against Two-Face, who killed his family. As a sub-plot, Bruce deals with a budding romance with psychiatrist Dr. Chase Meridian (Creator/NicoleKidman), something that naturally causes some problems because of his double-life.

The movie is [[LighterAndSofter brighter and the tone is softer]] but other than that it is considered to still be an entertaining film. One of the elements it's praised for is trying to further explore the character of Batman, giving him an arc the previous films lacked. Kilmer's Bruce Wayne is generally comparable next to Keaton, but some fans have argued that he has a better build and physical resemblance to Batman -- in fact, [[WordOfGod Bob Kane himself]] himself thought that Kilmer was the best Batman yet. Chris O'Donnell was a strong choice as Dick Grayson, [[CompositeCharacter mixing in elements]] of both the older Nightwing and the Jason Todd Robin. It's obvious that the film was attempting to appeal more to a broader audience, especially with the casting of Jim Carrey, who at the time was extremely bankable with children, and the broader attempts at humor and overall goofier plot. However, Carrey still played up the Riddler as a LargeHam, and his interpretation was considered rather favorable -- [[ItsPopularNowItSucks except by critics who were tired of seeing Jim Carrey]]. In fact, Carrey was becoming so overexposed that in 1995, he lampshaded it in his Series/{{S|aturdayNightLive}}NL monologue.
16th May '17 9:36:34 AM Kafkesque
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* MoonLogicPuzzle: The "solution" to the Riddler's riddles strays into this territory. [[spoiler:See, you have to ''ignore'' the actual answers to the riddles and focus on the numbers in them, which when transposed to alphabetical letters give you "M-R-E", which is a homonym for "mystery", a synonym for which is "enigma", which added to the original answer gives you a rough approximation of "Mr. E. Nigma", or Edward Nigma...]] Yeah, no wonder it takes judicious application of BatDeduction to figure it out.
16th May '17 9:04:18 AM Kafkesque
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** Appropriately, the trope namer himself pulls one to beat Two-Face. Two-Face has Batman and his friends dead to rights, until Batman helpfully reminds him that he always flips his coin to decide if he's going to kill somebody... then, when Two-Face makes the flip, [[spoiler:Batman [[CrazyPrepared pulls a handful of extra coins out]] and throws them into the air. Two-Face, panicking, tries to catch them all and [[DisneyDeath falls to his death]].]]
9th May '17 6:08:58 PM Golondrina
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** KevinSmith and his ''Fatman On Batman'' co-host Marc Bernardin did one for this film as well as the other three films in the ''Batman'' quadrilogy; it can be streamed or downloaded for free on his Smodco podcast website.

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** KevinSmith Creator/KevinSmith and his ''Fatman On Batman'' co-host Marc Bernardin did one for this film as well as the other three films in the ''Batman'' quadrilogy; it can be streamed or downloaded for free on his Smodco podcast website.
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