History FandomRivalry / VideoGames

24th Sep '16 12:51:24 PM nombretomado
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*** Speaking of [[CapcomVsWhatever Capcom crossover games]], but to a smaller extent than the two above, ''VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom2'' against ''VideoGame/TatsunokoVsCapcom''. Upon the announcements that both games would receive {{updated rerelease}}s in the West in 2010, the stage was set for hostilities. Best example of this case? ''VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom3'' adopting the ''Tatsunoko vs. Capcom'' button layout was the cue for cries of "Ruined Forever!"

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*** Speaking of [[CapcomVsWhatever [[VideoGame/CapcomVsWhatever Capcom crossover games]], but to a smaller extent than the two above, ''VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom2'' against ''VideoGame/TatsunokoVsCapcom''. Upon the announcements that both games would receive {{updated rerelease}}s in the West in 2010, the stage was set for hostilities. Best example of this case? ''VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcom3'' adopting the ''Tatsunoko vs. Capcom'' button layout was the cue for cries of "Ruined Forever!"
1st Sep '16 5:38:56 PM rjd1922
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* ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto'' fans vs. ''SaintsRow'' fans. GTA fans say Saints Row is [[DenserAndWackier too silly]] and a ripoff of their franchise, whereas fans of the Saints say that Grand Theft Auto takes itself far too seriously, [[DarkerAndEdgier especially after the fourth game.]]

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* ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto'' fans vs. ''SaintsRow'' ''VideoGame/SaintsRow'' fans. GTA ''GTA'' fans say Saints Row ''Saints Row'' is [[DenserAndWackier too silly]] and a ripoff of their franchise, whereas fans of the Saints say that Grand ''Grand Theft Auto Auto'' takes itself far too seriously, [[DarkerAndEdgier especially after the fourth game.]]



** Team Fortress Classic/2 vs. Counter-Strike (Source). Both from Valve, both started as mods (though Team Fortress goes back even further as a mod for Quake), both with diametrically opposed styles of gameplay. Bound to be conflict? You bet.
*** Also nice to know that before Counter Strike, Team Fortress Classic was the most popular online shooter. Now it's usually back and forth between Counter Strike and Team fortress 2/Classic

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** Team ''Team Fortress Classic/2 Classic/2'' vs. Counter-Strike (Source). ''Counter-Strike (Source)''. Both from Valve, both started as mods (though Team Fortress ''Team Fortress'' goes back even further as a mod for Quake), ''Quake''), both with diametrically opposed styles of gameplay. Bound to be conflict? You bet.
*** Also nice to know that before Counter Strike, Team ''Counter-Strike'', ''Team Fortress Classic Classic'' was the most popular online shooter. Now it's usually back and forth between Counter Strike and Team fortress 2/Classic''Team Fortress 2/Classic''.
30th Aug '16 11:00:30 PM SamMax
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** Within the ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'' fandom itself, the community is divided between fans who support the inclusion of third-party characters and Nintendo purists who think they shouldn't have been included to begin with. The controversy started with [[Franchise/MetalGear Snake]]'s inclusion in ''Brawl'' since at that point, unlike [[Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog Sonic]], the ''Metal Gear'' series had very little relevance to Nintendo consoles, and that Snake was added in simply because Kojima begged Sakurai to include him since ''Melee''. With ''3DS/Wii U,'' however, most of this controversy had died down a little since at the time, the only third-party characters were Sonic, [[Franchise/MegaMan Mega Man]], and [[VideoGame/PacMan Pac-Man]], and a lot of people wanted to see the four iconic gaming mascots slug it out together. But this controversy was soon re-heated shortly after with the inclusion of DLC characters like [[Franchise/StreetFighter Ryu]], [[VideoGame/{{Bayonetta}} Bayonetta]], and especially [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Cloud]].[[note]]Note that this was before ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyExplorers'' came out so at the time, Cloud had made absolutely no appearances on Nintendo consoles. Becoming a more controversial character than even Snake.[[/note]] Many Nintendo purists think that Sakurai has gone way too far with the third-party treatment while supporters absolutely rejoiced about their inclusions.

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** Within the ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'' fandom itself, the community is divided between fans who support the inclusion of third-party characters and Nintendo purists who think they shouldn't have been included to begin with. The controversy started with [[Franchise/MetalGear Snake]]'s inclusion in ''Brawl'' since at that point, unlike [[Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog Sonic]], the ''Metal Gear'' series had very little relevance to Nintendo consoles, and that Snake was added in simply because Kojima begged Sakurai to include him since ''Melee''. With ''3DS/Wii U,'' however, most of this controversy had died down a little since at the time, the only third-party characters were Sonic, [[Franchise/MegaMan Mega Man]], and [[VideoGame/PacMan Pac-Man]], and a lot of people wanted to see the four iconic gaming mascots slug it out together. But this controversy was soon re-heated shortly after with the inclusion of DLC characters like [[Franchise/StreetFighter Ryu]], [[VideoGame/{{Bayonetta}} Bayonetta]], and especially [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Cloud]].[[note]]Note that this was before ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyExplorers'' came out so at the time, Cloud had made absolutely no very few appearances on Nintendo consoles. Becoming a more controversial character than even Snake.[[/note]] Many Nintendo purists think that Sakurai has gone way too far with the third-party treatment while supporters absolutely rejoiced about their inclusions.
16th Aug '16 4:01:42 AM LucaEarlgrey
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** ''VideoGame/{{Ingress}}'' vs. ''Videogame/PokemonGo'', both GPS-based AugmentedReality games where players play by traveling to in-game points of interest by visiting their corresponding locations in real life. ''Ingress'' players are not terribly fond of ''Go'' players [[HypeBacklash due to having a much bigger and louder fanbase]] unlike ''Ingress'' which is more of a CultClassic rather than a KillerApp and has a generally quieter fanbase; the large numbers of ''Go'' players at ''Ingress'' hotspots (due to ''Go'' piggybacking on a lot of ''Ingress'' infrastructure) doesn't help. This has led to concerns that various properties will ban the use of all location-based games, [[WhyFandomCantHaveNiceThings even for the]] SilentMajority. The rivalry is mostly one-way, as most ''Go'' players don't even know what ''Ingress'' is.

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** ''VideoGame/{{Ingress}}'' vs. ''Videogame/PokemonGo'', both GPS-based AugmentedReality games developed by Niantic where players play by traveling to in-game points of interest by visiting their corresponding locations in real life. ''Ingress'' players are not terribly fond of ''Go'' players [[HypeBacklash due to having a much bigger and louder fanbase]] unlike ''Ingress'' which is more of a CultClassic rather than a KillerApp and has a generally quieter fanbase; the large numbers of ''Go'' players at ''Ingress'' hotspots (due to ''Go'' piggybacking on a lot of ''Ingress'' infrastructure) doesn't help. This has led to concerns that various properties will ban the use of all location-based games, [[WhyFandomCantHaveNiceThings even for the]] SilentMajority. The rivalry is mostly one-way, as most ''Go'' players don't even know what ''Ingress'' is.
16th Aug '16 4:01:12 AM LucaEarlgrey
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** ''VideoGame/{{Ingress}}'' vs. ''Videogame/PokemonGo'', both GPS-based AugmentedReality games where players play by traveling to in-game points of interest by visiting their corresponding locations in real life. ''Ingress'' players are not terribly fond of ''Go'' players [[HypeBacklash due to having a much bigger and louder fanbase]] unlike ''Ingress'' which is more of a CultClassic rather than a KillerApp and has a generally quieter fanbase; the large numbers of ''Go'' players at ''Ingress'' hotspots (due to ''Go'' piggybacking on a lot of ''Ingress'' infrastructure) doesn't help. This has led to concerns that various properties will ban the use of all location-based games, [[WhyFandomCantHaveNiceThings even for the]] SilentMajority. The rivalry is mostly one-way, as most ''Go'' players don't even know what ''Ingress'' is.
17th Jul '16 1:54:06 PM Kayube
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*** Mario Kart itself has a Fandom Rivalry between ''VideoGame/MarioKartDS'' and other ''Mario Kart'' titles.
*** ''Mario Kart'' vs. ''VideoGame/FZero'' as of late, with fans of the latter accusing Nintendo of using various elements of ''Mario Kart 8'' such as anti-gravity and [=200cc=] mode as an excuse to not make any more ''F-Zero'' games.
** Within ''Sonic'', you have "classic" (pre-UsefulNotes/SegaDreamcast) fans vs. "modern" (post-Dreamcast) fans.
** Within the Mario series, Koopalings fans and Bowser Jr. fans often positively hate each other. Many fans of the Koopalings often call Bowser Jr. a dull, boring ReplacementScrappy that stole the Koopalings' role as Bowser's offspring, while Bowser Jr. fans call the Koopalings shallow, overrated one note villains who have no characterization outside their appearance but still have an extremely grating fan following.
*** With ''VideoGame/SonicGenerations'', Sega TookAThirdOption and combined the difference - featuring the aspects of the two eras, from gameplay to aesthetics, colliding in a CrisisCrossover time travel plot.
*** Thanks to ''Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed'', many Sonic fans seem to have grown quite a hatred towards Franchise/{{Vocaloid}} fans, particularly those of Hatsune Miku. The reason for this is because a survey was put up in the SEGA Forums over who people want as their next downloadable character. While the Sonic fans and other players of the game backed the likes of [[VideoGame/BillyHatcherAndTheGiantEgg Billy Hatcher]], VideoGame/{{Bayonetta}}, VideoGame/ToejamAndEarl, and [[VideoGame/{{Shenmue}} Ryo Hazuki]], Miku received enough nominations to be put on the ballot, which caught the attention of the Vocaloid fandom. They voted en masse, and Miku ultimately placed 2nd, behind Ryo. The SEGA fans felt cheated that a character they largely have no interest in and were previously neutral to could now invade their game. (Regardless of the argument, she is the protagonist of the SEGA-produced ''VideoGame/HatsuneMikuProjectDiva'' series.) The anime {{Hatedom}} jumped in, and debates about whether or not she's a SEGA character escalated into a FlameWar within a week. It has gotten to where some people have announced they will become {{Griefer}}s in an effort to drive Miku usage down. It should be mentioned that the Miku fans, who by and large do not play the game (until she gets in), are largely unaware of the hate going on on the other side.
*** On another note, fans of ''Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed'' has a pretty intense dislike for fans of the ''Mario Kart'' series due to its diametrically opposed approach to how items should function in a kart racer: Whereas ''Mario Kart'' has been item-centric since ''VideoGame/MarioKart64'' with a stripped-down racing engine compared to other major racing franchises, ''Transformed'' is more of an arcade racer lightly peppered with items that are deliberately weak. This has split racing fans between those who like the more action-packed, chaotic progression of Mario Kart races that require on-the-spot thinking versus the calmer, more flowing races in ''Transformed'' that require planning ahead. (Most other kart racers have powerful items akin to Mario Kart, hence why such a rivalry never reached this intensity until now.) The ''Transformed'' fans accuse ''Mario Kart'' fans of being skill-less hacks who need luck to win a race, whereas the ''Mario Kart'' fans accuse ''Transformed'' fans of being racing snobs who don't know how to deal with unexpected setbacks.

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*** * Mario Kart itself has a Fandom Rivalry between ''VideoGame/MarioKartDS'' and other ''Mario Kart'' titles.
*** ** ''Mario Kart'' vs. ''VideoGame/FZero'' as of late, with fans of the latter accusing Nintendo of using various elements of ''Mario Kart 8'' such as anti-gravity and [=200cc=] mode as an excuse to not make any more ''F-Zero'' games.
** * Within ''Sonic'', you have "classic" (pre-UsefulNotes/SegaDreamcast) fans vs. "modern" (post-Dreamcast) fans.
** Within With ''VideoGame/SonicGenerations'', Sega TookAThirdOption and combined the Mario series, Koopalings fans and Bowser Jr. fans often positively hate each other. Many fans difference - featuring the aspects of the Koopalings often call Bowser Jr. two eras, from gameplay to aesthetics, colliding in a dull, boring ReplacementScrappy that stole the Koopalings' role as Bowser's offspring, while Bowser Jr. fans call the Koopalings shallow, overrated one note villains who have no characterization outside their appearance but still have an extremely grating fan following.CrisisCrossover time travel plot.
*** With ''VideoGame/SonicGenerations'', Sega TookAThirdOption and combined the difference - featuring the aspects of the two eras, from gameplay to aesthetics, colliding in a CrisisCrossover time travel plot.
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* Thanks to ''Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed'', many Sonic fans seem to have grown quite a hatred towards Franchise/{{Vocaloid}} fans, particularly those of Hatsune Miku. The reason for this is because a survey was put up in the SEGA Forums over who people want as their next downloadable character. While the Sonic fans and other players of the game backed the likes of [[VideoGame/BillyHatcherAndTheGiantEgg Billy Hatcher]], VideoGame/{{Bayonetta}}, VideoGame/ToejamAndEarl, and [[VideoGame/{{Shenmue}} Ryo Hazuki]], Miku received enough nominations to be put on the ballot, which caught the attention of the Vocaloid fandom. They voted en masse, and Miku ultimately placed 2nd, behind Ryo. The SEGA fans felt cheated that a character they largely have no interest in and were previously neutral to could now invade their game. (Regardless of the argument, she is the protagonist of the SEGA-produced ''VideoGame/HatsuneMikuProjectDiva'' series.) The anime {{Hatedom}} jumped in, and debates about whether or not she's a SEGA character escalated into a FlameWar within a week. It has gotten to where some people have announced they will become {{Griefer}}s in an effort to drive Miku usage down. It should be mentioned that the Miku fans, who by and large do not play the game (until she gets in), are largely unaware of the hate going on on the other side.
*** ** On another note, fans of ''Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed'' has a pretty intense dislike for fans of the ''Mario Kart'' series due to its diametrically opposed approach to how items should function in a kart racer: Whereas ''Mario Kart'' has been item-centric since ''VideoGame/MarioKart64'' with a stripped-down racing engine compared to other major racing franchises, ''Transformed'' is more of an arcade racer lightly peppered with items that are deliberately weak. This has split racing fans between those who like the more action-packed, chaotic progression of Mario Kart races that require on-the-spot thinking versus the calmer, more flowing races in ''Transformed'' that require planning ahead. (Most other kart racers have powerful items akin to Mario Kart, hence why such a rivalry never reached this intensity until now.) The ''Transformed'' fans accuse ''Mario Kart'' fans of being skill-less hacks who need luck to win a race, whereas the ''Mario Kart'' fans accuse ''Transformed'' fans of being racing snobs who don't know how to deal with unexpected setbacks.setbacks.
* Within the Mario series, Koopalings fans and Bowser Jr. fans often positively hate each other. Many fans of the Koopalings often call Bowser Jr. a dull, boring ReplacementScrappy that stole the Koopalings' role as Bowser's offspring, while Bowser Jr. fans call the Koopalings shallow, overrated one note villains who have no characterization outside their appearance but still have an extremely grating fan following.
** Especially after WordOfGod stated that the existence of the ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigi'' games was partly responsible for the removal of RPGElements from the ''VideoGame/PaperMario'' series, some rivalry has developed between fans of the first two ''Paper Mario''s and fans of the ''Mario & Luigi'' games.
14th Jul '16 9:08:47 AM Mhazard
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** Within the general shmup fandom, fans of "old-school" shooters vs. fans of BulletHell shooters and modern shooters in general, particularly those by Creator/{{CAVE}}. The former hate newer shmups for featuring girly-girl ships and characters instead of the more military- and scifi-themed visuals of older games and dismiss their high bullet counts as cutting corners. Meanwhile, danmaku fans scoff at more classical shooters for having drab visuals and being too boring to play because they don't have enough bullets on-screen.
** Within the fandom itself lies PC-98 versus Windows. Go on, ''[[BerserkButton just try and tell a 98er that]] [[FlameBait all the games before the sixth weren't canon.]]''

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** Within the general shmup fandom, fans of "old-school" shooters vs. fans of BulletHell shooters and modern shooters in general, particularly those by Creator/{{CAVE}}. The former hate newer shmups for featuring girly-girl ships and characters [[note]]The Element Dolls and Element Daughters[[/note]] instead of the more military- and scifi-themed visuals of older games and dismiss their high bullet counts as cutting corners. Meanwhile, danmaku fans scoff at more classical shooters for having drab visuals and being too boring to play because they don't have enough bullets on-screen.
** Within the fandom itself lies PC-98 versus Windows. Go on, ''[[BerserkButton ''[[FandomBerserkButton just try and tell a 98er that]] [[FlameBait all the games before the sixth weren't canon.]]''
13th Jul '16 5:34:18 AM DivineFlame100
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*** Though when ''VideoGame/{{Overwatch}}'' was finally released and [=TF2=] fans actually got the chance to try the game for themselves, they actually grew to love the game for not only how similar it is (making them feel right at home) but for also how unique it is as well, alleviating any fears of ''Overwatch'' being just another [=TF2=] ripoff. As a result, this rivalry now turned into FriendlyFandoms and there have been many crossover fan art and fan fiction popping up staring the two sides.
23rd Jun '16 2:44:55 AM LucaEarlgrey
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* There used to be a [[FriendlyFandoms fandom alliance]] between fans of ''VideoGame/MightyNo9'' and fans of ''VideoGame/BloodstainedRitualOfTheNight'', two Website/{{Kickstarter}}-funded games by renowned PlatformGame veterans Creator/{{Keiji|Inafune}} [[Franchise/MegaMan Inafune]] and [[Franchise/{{Castlevania}} Koji Igarashi]], respectively. However, as ''Mighty No. 9'' fell victim to troubles pertaining to development, PR, contact between fans and those behind the game's development and publishing, and a marketing campaign involving a SnarkBait trailer that insulted the very fans who made it happen, the end result being a final product that is widely regarded as SoOkayItsAverage at best and a massive disappointment at worst, people started using ''Mighty No. 9'' as an example of how Japanese developers should not make a crowdfunded game, while using ''Bloodstained'' as an example of a KS-backed game that so far has been done right due to the developers' transparency and communication with its fans and the quality of the builds they've released so far including one demo build shown at E3 and offered to backers of the project.

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* There used to be a [[FriendlyFandoms fandom alliance]] between fans of ''VideoGame/MightyNo9'' and fans of ''VideoGame/BloodstainedRitualOfTheNight'', two Website/{{Kickstarter}}-funded games by renowned PlatformGame veterans Creator/{{Keiji|Inafune}} [[Franchise/MegaMan Inafune]] and [[Franchise/{{Castlevania}} Koji Igarashi]], respectively. However, as ''Mighty No. 9'' fell victim to troubles pertaining to development, PR, contact between fans and those behind the game's development and publishing, and a marketing campaign involving a SnarkBait trailer that insulted the very fans who made it the game happen, the end result being a final product that is widely regarded as SoOkayItsAverage at best and a massive disappointment at worst, people started using ''Mighty No. 9'' as an example of how Japanese developers should not make a crowdfunded game, while using ''Bloodstained'' as an example of a KS-backed game that so far has been done right due to the developers' transparency and communication with its fans and the quality of the builds they've released so far including one demo build shown at E3 and offered to backers of the project.
23rd Jun '16 2:44:19 AM LucaEarlgrey
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* There used to be a [[FriendlyFandoms fandom alliance]] between fans of ''VideoGame/MightyNo9'' and fans of ''VideoGame/BloodstainedRitualOfTheNight'', two Website/{{Kickstarter}}-funded games by renowned Japanese PlatformGame veterans Creator/{{Keiji|Inafune}} [[Franchise/MegaMan Inafune]] and [[Franchise/{{Castlevania}} Koji Igarashi]], respectively. However, as ''Mighty No. 9'' fell victim to troubles pertaining to development, PR, contact between fans and those behind the game's development and publishing, and a marketing campaign involving a SnarkBait trailer that insulted the very fans who made it happen, the end result being a final product that is widely regarded as SoOkayItsAverage at best and a massive disappointment at worst, people started using ''Mighty No. 9'' as an example of how Japanese developers should not make a crowdfunded game, while using ''Bloodstained'' as an example of a KS-backed game that so far has been done right due to the developers' transparency and communication with its fans and the quality of the builds they've released so far including one demo build shown at E3 and offered to backers of the project.

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* There used to be a [[FriendlyFandoms fandom alliance]] between fans of ''VideoGame/MightyNo9'' and fans of ''VideoGame/BloodstainedRitualOfTheNight'', two Website/{{Kickstarter}}-funded games by renowned Japanese PlatformGame veterans Creator/{{Keiji|Inafune}} [[Franchise/MegaMan Inafune]] and [[Franchise/{{Castlevania}} Koji Igarashi]], respectively. However, as ''Mighty No. 9'' fell victim to troubles pertaining to development, PR, contact between fans and those behind the game's development and publishing, and a marketing campaign involving a SnarkBait trailer that insulted the very fans who made it happen, the end result being a final product that is widely regarded as SoOkayItsAverage at best and a massive disappointment at worst, people started using ''Mighty No. 9'' as an example of how Japanese developers should not make a crowdfunded game, while using ''Bloodstained'' as an example of a KS-backed game that so far has been done right due to the developers' transparency and communication with its fans and the quality of the builds they've released so far including one demo build shown at E3 and offered to backers of the project.
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