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18th Jul '17 2:23:31 PM DanaO
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* In the ''Literature/HIVESeries'' about a school of evil villains, villains like Dr Nero disapprove of needless violence even if they are evil.

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* In the ''Literature/HIVESeries'' about a school of evil villains, villains like Dr Dr. Nero disapprove of needless violence even if they are evil.evil. Nero's internal monologues suggest he sees villainy as a matter of natural talent and individual empowerment: his goal is to see those inclined to become criminal masterminds or hired killers or mad scientists or sleazy bankers/lawyers/politicians "be all they can be" while at the same time dedicating himself to curbing the excesses of ''expressing'' those talents.
23rd Jun '17 6:42:37 PM foxley
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* ''Literature/AnnaPigeon'': In ''Destroying Angel'', Reg - one of a gang of kidnappers - refuses to kill a crippled dog when his boss orders him to, arguing that it's not right. The Dude points out that as he has already expressed his willingness to kill a paraplegic woman and a teenaged girl, this seems to show a somewhat skewed sense of morality. Reg is also disgusted by Sean's sexual interest in underage girls.

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* ''Literature/AnnaPigeon'': In ''Destroying ''Destroyer Angel'', Reg - one of a gang of kidnappers - refuses to kill a crippled dog when his boss orders him to, arguing that it's not right. The Dude points out that as he has already expressed his willingness to kill a paraplegic woman and a teenaged girl, this seems to show a somewhat skewed sense of morality. Reg is also disgusted by Sean's sexual interest in underage girls.
22nd Jun '17 11:10:56 PM foxley
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* ''Literature/AnnaPigeon'': In ''Destroying Angel'', Reg - one of a gang of kidnappers - refuses to kill a crippled dog when his boss orders him to, arguing that it's not right. The Dude points out that as he has already expressed his willingness to kill a paraplegic woman and a teenaged girl, this seems to show a somewhat skewed sense of morality. Reg is also disgusted by Sean's sexual interest in underage girls.
17th Jun '17 4:34:29 PM Kakai
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* ''Literature/TheMachineriesOfEmpire'': Jedao may be a mass murderer and merciless assassin, but he's absolutely repulsed by rape and anything that's PoweredByAForsakenChild. Mikodez considers this somewhat unreasonable.
28th May '17 3:14:31 PM nombretomado
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* Dark elf [[Literature/MalusDarkblade Malus]] [[VillainProtagonist Darkblade]] is a sadistic bloodthirsty spiteful backstabbing opportunist, so it really says something about the [[WarhammerFantasyBattle world]] he lives in that he still finds things there to be genuinly appalled about, such as the way his forest-dwelling cousins mutilate their dark elven slaves - cut out their vocal cords and ears and pluck out their eyes. Mind you, dark elves are very fond of torture as well, but the city-dwellers like Malus would usually finish off their victims after they're done with them, and definitely not force them to drag on such a wretched existance.

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* Dark elf [[Literature/MalusDarkblade Malus]] [[VillainProtagonist Darkblade]] is a sadistic bloodthirsty spiteful backstabbing opportunist, so it really says something about the [[WarhammerFantasyBattle [[TabletopGame/WarhammerFantasyBattle world]] he lives in that he still finds things there to be genuinly appalled about, such as the way his forest-dwelling cousins mutilate their dark elven slaves - cut out their vocal cords and ears and pluck out their eyes. Mind you, dark elves are very fond of torture as well, but the city-dwellers like Malus would usually finish off their victims after they're done with them, and definitely not force them to drag on such a wretched existance.
20th May '17 6:55:36 AM LadyJaneGrey
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** Played straight in that they will ''not'' however, permit cannibalism. Katniss recalls one Tribute in a previous Games who was eliminated for doing so.
16th Apr '17 5:22:47 AM Kalibre
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*** Leia is essentially wrong on this one, as well- Fett takes his job as a bounty hunter very seriously, and most of the guild's rules are meant to ensure that hunters act professional. In this vein, Fett is not an assassin, and nor are many bounty hunters. While hunters in the Star Wars universe can and do kill their marks, this is only if the job specifically gives them that leeway, and does not justify putting civilian lives in danger. And while Jabba '''is''' technically a crime lord, what he does may or may not be construed as legal depending on what the Empire says- either way, Fett can't be nailed for taking a job from a criminal, it's legal whether Leia likes it or not.
8th Apr '17 10:24:48 PM nombretomado
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* The ''SecretHistories'' series has Mr. Stab, a Jack the Ripper {{Expy}} who loves to carve up his victims. When he sees the torture the conspiracy group Manifest Destiny has inflicted on several magical beings they captured, even he is horrified.

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* The ''SecretHistories'' ''Literature/SecretHistories'' series has Mr. Stab, a Jack the Ripper {{Expy}} who loves to carve up his victims. When he sees the torture the conspiracy group Manifest Destiny has inflicted on several magical beings they captured, even he is horrified.
8th Apr '17 6:17:37 PM CurledUpWithDakka
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** ''Discworld/{{Thud}}!'' has Chrysophrase of the troll mob, who doesn't deal in drugs. Well, not any more. And not the ''bad'' drugs, the kind that kill their users or cause them to become psychotic. Commander Vimes isn't impressed. Also during that book, one of his goons makes the mistake of making an indirect threat toward Vimes's family ("He knows where I live." "''Yeah'', he does."). Later, Chrysophrase says the threat was not on his orders, and the offending goon has been...dealt with, and incidentally would Vimes like a rockery for his garden?

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** ''Discworld/{{Thud}}!'' ''Discworld/{{Thud}}'' has Chrysophrase of the troll mob, who doesn't deal in drugs. Well, not any more. And not the ''bad'' drugs, the kind that kill their users or cause them to become psychotic. Commander Vimes isn't impressed. Also during that book, one of his goons makes the mistake of making an indirect threat toward Vimes's family ("He knows where I live." "''Yeah'', he does."). Later, Chrysophrase says the threat was not on his orders, and the offending goon has been... dealt with, and incidentally would Vimes like a rockery for his garden?



** Demons like Crowley also have this view about Satanists. Most of them (like the [[ItMakesSenseInContext Sister Mary and the other nuns]]) are actually harmless--having been raised in the faith for generations they're like your average non-observant Christian, acting ordinary six days per week and then attending a token black sabbath without being particularly devout. ''Some'' Satanists, on the other hand, like the ones you sometimes hear about on the news...

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** Demons like Crowley also have this view about Satanists. Most of them (like the [[ItMakesSenseInContext Sister Mary and the other nuns]]) are actually harmless--having been raised in the faith for generations they're like your average non-observant Christian, acting ordinary six days per week and then attending a token black sabbath without being particularly devout. ''Some'' Satanists, on the other hand, like the ones you sometimes hear about on the news...news....



** In ''Literature/LegacyOfTheForce'', Tahiri Veila chooses to offer Luke's son Ben sex in exchange for information rather than torturing him. Either option is disturbing when you consider that he's just turned 14--but, knowing 14-year-old boys, is surprisingly good psychology...

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** In ''Literature/LegacyOfTheForce'', Tahiri Veila chooses to offer Luke's son Ben sex in exchange for information rather than torturing him. Either option is disturbing when you consider that he's just turned 14--but, knowing 14-year-old boys, is surprisingly good psychology...psychology....



* Literature/{{Flashman}} is, and admits he is, evil in many ways...but even he has lines he will not willingly cross.

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* Literature/{{Flashman}} is, and admits he is, evil in many ways... but even he has lines he will not willingly cross.



* Taken UpToEleven in ''Literature/RumoAndHisMiraculousAdventures'': The [[{{Cyclops}} Demonocles]] positively thrive on TheSoundOfScreaming, prefer to eat prey alive, and will beat their friends to death [[ForTheEvulz over nothing]] and then [[WhyDidYouMakeMeHitYou blame them for it]]. [[spoiler:Break [[BizarreAlienBiology the intricate bony structure in a Demonocle's huge, complex tongue]]...and not only have you effectively crippled him, but you've demoralized any other Demonocles who witnessed the sight.]] [[HypocriticalHumor How could any living creature do anything so cruel to another]]?

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* Taken UpToEleven in ''Literature/RumoAndHisMiraculousAdventures'': The [[{{Cyclops}} Demonocles]] positively thrive on TheSoundOfScreaming, prefer to eat prey alive, and will beat their friends to death [[ForTheEvulz over nothing]] and then [[WhyDidYouMakeMeHitYou blame them for it]]. [[spoiler:Break [[BizarreAlienBiology the intricate bony structure in a Demonocle's huge, complex tongue]]... and not only have you effectively crippled him, but you've demoralized any other Demonocles who witnessed the sight.]] [[HypocriticalHumor How could any living creature do anything so cruel to another]]?



* In the ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'' novel 'Star Lord,' it's implied that there's rogue mercenary and pirate bands who turned down offers to work with an otherwise charismatic and surprisingly well heeled leader not unlike a Bandit King when they discovered he was a direct genetic descendant of the setting's greatest and most infamous monster looking to finish what his ancestor started. These pirates are generally taking slaves, burning villages, and otherwise being barbaric...and they ''still'' don't want to be associated with this guy. Some groups eventually did join his army, in a flat aversion of this trope.

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* In the ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'' novel 'Star Lord,' it's implied that there's rogue mercenary and pirate bands who turned down offers to work with an otherwise charismatic and surprisingly well heeled leader not unlike a Bandit King when they discovered he was a direct genetic descendant of the setting's greatest and most infamous monster looking to finish what his ancestor started. These pirates are generally taking slaves, burning villages, and otherwise being barbaric... and they ''still'' don't want to be associated with this guy. Some groups eventually did join his army, in a flat aversion of this trope.



* Creator/SvenHassel writes of soldiers in a penal battalion, some of the roughest, cruelest, most degraded men in the forces of UsefulNotes/NaziGermany...but sometimes they run across things done by the Nazis, or the Soviets, that repulse even these hardened, callous killers. When they get a chance to express their disapproval of such things in concrete form, it can get...''messy.''

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* Creator/SvenHassel writes of soldiers in a penal battalion, some of the roughest, cruelest, most degraded men in the forces of UsefulNotes/NaziGermany... but sometimes they run across things done by the Nazis, or the Soviets, that repulse even these hardened, callous killers. When they get a chance to express their disapproval of such things in concrete form, it can get... ''messy.''
25th Mar '17 7:51:58 AM Kate
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** In ''Discworld/{{Hogfather}}'' the head of the Ankh-Morpork branch is horrified by the excesses of PsychopathicManchild Jonathan Teatime and frightened by his unpredictable actions. Teatime later hires a bunch of criminals who are also scared and repelled by him; they did kill people, but unlike Teatime, only when it was necessary. The scene that introduces Teatime notes that Lord Downey, leader of the Assassins Guild, does not have actual morals, but he ''does'' have standards. Teatime... doesn't.

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** In ''Discworld/{{Hogfather}}'' the head of the Ankh-Morpork branch is horrified by the excesses of PsychopathicManchild Jonathan Teatime and frightened by his unpredictable actions.actions (there's mention of him having nailed a "client"'s guard dogs to the ceiling). Teatime later hires a bunch of criminals who are also scared and repelled by him; they did kill people, but unlike Teatime, only when it was necessary. The scene that introduces Teatime notes that Lord Downey, leader of the Assassins Guild, does not have actual morals, but he ''does'' have standards. Teatime... doesn't.
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