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** ''Film/ScreamVI'': [[spoiler:Ethan has gotten some sympathy from people who genuinely liked the {{Adorkable}} personality he was first introduced as and thus, wish he was actually innocent. Some even going as far as to wish he was going to be the first Ghostface to pull a HeelFaceTurn. The fact that the reveal of him being one of the Ghostface comes off as an AssPull surely contributes to this sentiment. The good looks of his actor Creator/JackChampion doesn't hurt either.]]
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* The eponymous killer robot from ''Film/M3GAN'' has a lot of fans who try to justify all of her murders. While it's true that everyone she killed was [[AssholeVictim at least some degree of]] [[JerkAss jerk]], that hardly justifies killing them, and she also tried to cripple Gemma and kill Cady at the end of the movie.
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** ''Film/Scream1996'': Even though [[spoiler:Billy Loomis is a sociopath and remorseless killer, he's still played by a young and attractive Creator/SkeetUlrich, which is enough to make some admirers swoon ''even when he's covered in'' (fake) ''blood'' and proclaim that they love "dangerous guys."]]
** ''Film/Scream2022'': One of the Ghostfaces, [[spoiler:Amber, has a large group of fangirls who are easily ready to forgive her participation in a vicious murder spree, mainly due her LaughablyEvil personality and being played by the gorgeous Creator/MikeyMadison. This is best seen in how a lot of fans try to either erase or at the very least downplay her part in torturing her best friend Tara, all in the name of shipping the two together.]]
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* ''Film/CrazyRichAsians'': Eleanor Young is presented in universe as a snobbish and overprotective parent who spends most of the movie trying to get her son Nick to break up with his girlfriend Rachel and is regularly rude towards Rachel. However, due to her genuinely loving Nick, having an excuse of her own abusive mother in law, and being played by Creator/MichelleYeoh, a large group of fangirls are quick to forgive her more abrasive behavior.
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* ''Film/TheSchoolForGoodAndEvil2022'': Lady Lesso is not only in charge of the School for Evil and training teenagers to be villains, but she also regularly threatens her students and helps the BigBad corrupt Sophie in order to allow evil to win. However, fans are quick to forget this or write it off, due to her FreudianExcuse and limit on how far she is willing to go, namely not actually killing the students. It also helps that she is played by the gorgeous Creator/CharlizeTheron.

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* Nancy from ''Film/TheCraft'' gets this a lot, partly because of her tragic backstory (living in a trailer park with an alcoholic mother and stepfather who's implied to be abusive) and due to being played by Creator/FairuzaBalk in all her Gothic 90s beauty. She kills two people throughout the course of the film, one of whom being the stepfather and the other being a {{Jerkass}} who spread rumours about her and Sarah. What's often ignored is that before killing the latter, she used magic to look like Sarah to make him sleep with her when he'd rejected her advances, [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale making her a date rapist too]]. She stops targeting {{Asshole Victim}}s in the third act, with her plan being to torture Sarah into killing herself, and threatening to kill Bonnie and Rochelle when they have a problem with this. Despite this, she's often viewed far more sympathetically by the fandom, and even the [[Film/TheCraftLegacy sequel]] [[spoiler: revealed the protagonist to be her daughter]].



* JD from ''Film/{{Heathers}}'' gets a lot of this, mainly because despite his psychopathic and cynical tendencies, he's played by a 1980s Creator/ChristianSlater.

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JD from ''Film/{{Heathers}}'' gets a lot of this, mainly because despite his psychopathic and cynical tendencies, he's played by a 1980s Creator/ChristianSlater.Creator/ChristianSlater. The ironic thing is that this is written into the movie - where Veronica is initially attracted to the boy who's seemingly TroubledButCute and then realises what a psycho he is.
** Heather Chandler likewise for the fact that she's played by the gorgeous Kim Walker, and gets a scene in a [[LadyInRed sexy red dress]], but also because she has less screen time than anyone else and fans like to interpret more to her. In her scenes, she's the AlphaBitch who bullies and belittles even her friends, strongly implying that her bullying drove Heather Duke to being bulimic. Her one humanising moment is when she's coerced into performing oral sex on a college boy and looks shaken afterwards, so many fans like to imagine she only became a Heather out of pressure or actually had the HiddenDepths Veronica makes up for her in her fake suicide note.



* ''Film/PansLabyrinth'': There are actually people out there who honestly give this treatment to ''Captain Vidal''.
** Ironically, Vidal may be a deconstruction of this trope. He is a villain with a very human, sympathetic backstory... who still commits unrepentant acts of evil.

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* ''Film/PansLabyrinth'': There are actually people out there who honestly give this treatment to ''Captain Vidal''.
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Vidal''. Ironically, Vidal may be a deconstruction of this trope. He is a villain with a very human, sympathetic backstory... who still commits unrepentant acts of evil.
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* ''Film/DoRevenge'': Eleanor is not only part of Drea's revenge plot, but also [[spoiler:carrying out an elaborate revenge plot which involves not only sending a mostly innocent woman to rehab but hitting Drea with her car]]. However, due to her FreudianExcuse, good looks, and Creator/MayaHawke's compelling performance, a lot of fangirls on Tumblr and Twitter have little problem excusing her actions and saying she did nothing wrong. It helps that she aids Drea in getting her revenge.

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* ''Film/DoRevenge'': Eleanor is not only part of Drea's revenge plot, but also [[spoiler:carrying out an elaborate revenge plot which involves not only sending a two mostly innocent woman women to rehab but hitting Drea with her car]]. However, due to her FreudianExcuse, good looks, and Creator/MayaHawke's compelling performance, a lot of fangirls on Tumblr and Twitter have little problem excusing her actions and saying she did nothing wrong. It helps that she aids Drea in getting her revenge.
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* ''Film/DoRevenge'': Eleanor is not only part of Drea's revenge plot, but also [[spoiler:carrying out an elaborate revenge plot which involves not only sending a mostly innocent woman to rehab but hitting Drea with her car]]. However, due to her FreudianExcuse, good looks, and Creator/MayaHawke's compelling performance, a lot of fangirls on Tumblr and Twitter have little problem excusing her actions and saying she did nothing wrong. It helps that she aids Drea in getting her revenge.
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* ''Film/TheCabinetOfDrCaligari'': Cesare. Not only is he a BrainwashedAndCrazy KnifeNut SerialKiller, but [[DudeShesLikeInAComa ladies, he's, like, in a coma]].

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* ''Film/TheCabinetOfDrCaligari'': Cesare. Not only is he a BrainwashedAndCrazy KnifeNut PsychoKnifeNut SerialKiller, but [[DudeShesLikeInAComa ladies, he's, like, in a coma]].



* The ''Film/JamesBond'' film, ''Film/LicenceToKill'' gives us ''Dario''... a monstrous psychopathic KnifeNut GigglingVillain with a SlasherSmile who is also implied to be a serial rapist....[[https://image.ibb.co/mFF2sH/cutedario2.jpg Played]] by a [[https://image.ibb.co/fCfkCH/badboydario02.png very]] [[https://image.ibb.co/gQCFCH/cutedario6.jpg young]] (the youngest Bond villain to date at then-aged-21) and [[PrettyBoy very gorgeous]] Creator/BenicioDelToro. [[https://image.ibb.co/izej6c/sexydario01.png The kid]] ''oozes'' EvilIsSexy.

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* The ''Film/JamesBond'' film, ''Film/LicenceToKill'' gives us ''Dario''... a monstrous psychopathic KnifeNut PsychoKnifeNut GigglingVillain with a SlasherSmile who is also implied to be a serial rapist....[[https://image.ibb.co/mFF2sH/cutedario2.jpg Played]] by a [[https://image.ibb.co/fCfkCH/badboydario02.png very]] [[https://image.ibb.co/gQCFCH/cutedario6.jpg young]] (the youngest Bond villain to date at then-aged-21) and [[PrettyBoy very gorgeous]] Creator/BenicioDelToro. [[https://image.ibb.co/izej6c/sexydario01.png The kid]] ''oozes'' EvilIsSexy.
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** ''Film/TheLastJedi'' has the mysterious computer-hacker (or 'slicer' in ''Star Wars'' lingo), DJ, played by Creator/BenicioDelToro. He's this odd, quirky LovableRogue with a weird stutter and speech patterns, a heaping helping of laid-back coolness, a BadassLongcoat and a [[CoolPeopleRebelAgainstAuthority disdain for authority]] and TheMan and a generally slick and clever guy who's oddly endearing....even if he [[spoiler:Betrayed Finn & Rose to the First Order for a big payoff and to save his own skin, decimating The Resistance in the process]]. Many see him as simply a guy who ''might'' have had some remorse and didn't have much of a choice (Why die for something you have no part in when you could be free, alive and have money?). A number of fans find him rather sexy in his own grungy bad-boy way.

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** ''Film/TheLastJedi'' has the mysterious computer-hacker (or 'slicer' in ''Star Wars'' lingo), DJ, played by Creator/BenicioDelToro. He's this odd, quirky LovableRogue with a weird stutter and speech patterns, a heaping helping of laid-back coolness, a BadassLongcoat and a [[CoolPeopleRebelAgainstAuthority disdain for authority]] and TheMan The Man and a generally slick and clever guy who's oddly endearing....even if he [[spoiler:Betrayed Finn & Rose to the First Order for a big payoff and to save his own skin, decimating The Resistance in the process]]. Many see him as simply a guy who ''might'' have had some remorse and didn't have much of a choice (Why die for something you have no part in when you could be free, alive and have money?). A number of fans find him rather sexy in his own grungy bad-boy way.
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* ''Film/AceVenturaPetDetective'' villain Ray Finkle/[[spoiler:Lois Einhorn]] tends to get empathy from people who see them as transgender, mostly stemming from the RealitySubtext of the injustices towards real-life trans people. This of course ignores it's not exactly [[spoiler:a woman who was assigned the male gender at birth]], but a murderous lunatic [[spoiler:[[DeadPersonImpersonation who took the identity of a missing hiker]] [[DisguisedInDrag of the opposite gender]]]] as a front for a revenge scheme that involved animal abuse and murder.
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** The MUTOs of ''Film/Godzilla2014'' often get this treatment. In the film, they're depicted as being completely callous and not ones to perceive to the damage they cause to humans, but fans tend to focus more on the fact they're only interested in defending themselves and living out their life cycle, whilst overlooking the catastrophic consequences their survival and reproduction would entail; depicting them as {{Tragic Monster}}s.

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** The MUTOs [=MUTOs=] of ''Film/Godzilla2014'' often get this treatment. In the film, they're depicted as being completely callous and not ones to perceive to the damage they cause to humans, but fans tend to focus more on the fact they're only interested in defending themselves and living out their life cycle, whilst overlooking the catastrophic consequences their survival and reproduction would entail; depicting them as {{Tragic Monster}}s.

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* ''Film/FightClub'': Some fans idolize Tyler Durden's anarchist philosophy and hyper-masculine ideals all while ignoring how he is exploiting his followers. Although Tyler rightfully points out how the capitalist society turns people into mindless slaves, he's still a manipulative hypocrite who uses Project Mayhem to turn frustrated men into mindless slaves who brutalize each other and commit acts of wanton domestic terrorism. For a person who preaches about liberation and restoring manhood, Tyler only causes further enslavement and emasculation.
* Just like the ''Nightmare'' series below, ''Franchise/FridayThe13th'' has a pretty weird fan base that for some reason thinks Jason Voorhees is not only a SympatheticMurderer, but also sexy enough for their OC to be attracted to. Jason is badly deformed with serious mental deficiencies. But those are things that make him ''pitiable,'' not attractive. Later on he becomes undead to an increasing degree. And he's not going to return your sexy feelings anyway. Even taking everything else into account, he's very clearly a psychopathic manchild who exists to kill anybody who trespasses on his territory, once stated to have been posessed by a demon, and he ''hates'' sex.

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* ''Film/FightClub'': Some fans idolize Tyler Durden's anarchist philosophy and hyper-masculine ideals all while ignoring how he is generally exploiting his followers. He also, more as time goes on, runs his mouth on those who disobey him, don't consider what he is trying to say, or just to go drill-sergeant on his followers. Although Tyler rightfully points out how the capitalist society turns people into mindless slaves, slaves and has desires to set people free, he's still a manipulative hypocrite who uses Project Mayhem to turn frustrated men into mindless slaves who brutalize each other and commit acts of wanton domestic terrorism. Bringing people back to an apparent stone age without technology was part of that breaking point. For a person who preaches about liberation and restoring manhood, Tyler only causes further enslavement and emasculation.
* Just like the ''Nightmare'' series below, ''Franchise/FridayThe13th'' has a pretty weird fan base that for some reason thinks Jason Voorhees is not only a *more reasonable* SympatheticMurderer, but also also, say, sexy enough for their OC to be attracted to. Jason is badly deformed with serious mental deficiencies. But those are things that make him ''pitiable,'' not attractive. Later on he becomes undead to an increasing degree. And he's he, a ruthless force out to punish, is not going to return your sexy feelings anyway. Even taking everything else into account, he's very clearly a psychopathic manchild who who, in his understanding, exists to kill about anybody who trespasses on his territory, territory because of his narrowed mindset and evidently bad experiences with people, once stated theorized to have been posessed possessed by a demon, and he ''hates'' sex.



** The title character. He's a city destroying {{Kaiju}} beast, but the fans tend to think he's just a misunderstood good guy. Most of the time he's an AntiHero or AntiVillain, but this treatment is still baffling. This is most JustForFun/{{Egregious}} in ''Film/GodzillaMothraKingGhidorahGiantMonstersAllOutAttack'', where he was flat-out stated to be pure evil. The fans still liked him. This is a bit of an averted case however, as GMK was the only movie he was stated to actually be evil and there are several movies, such as ''Film/GodzillaVsMechaGodzilla'' where Godzilla is a benign soul. Even in movies he was an AntiHero or AntiVillain, he usually was the lesser of two evils, fighting the greater threat, and thus could be rooted for. By the time GMK rolled around, backing Godzilla in a fight between him and another kaiju is almost instinct.

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** The title character. He's In a number of installments and incarnations, he's a city destroying {{Kaiju}} beast, but the fans tend to think he's just a misunderstood good guy. guy even while said incarnation acts as a hurricane or related force would. Most of the time he's an AntiHero or AntiVillain, but this treatment is still gets baffling. This is most JustForFun/{{Egregious}} in ''Film/GodzillaMothraKingGhidorahGiantMonstersAllOutAttack'', where he that version was flat-out stated to be pure evil. The fans still liked him. This is a bit of an averted case however, as GMK was the only movie he was stated to actually be evil and there are several movies, such as ''Film/GodzillaVsMechaGodzilla'' where Godzilla is a benign soul. soul who has left his turf on Monster Island to stop a monster's rampage. Even in movies he he/one of him was an AntiHero or AntiVillain, he usually was the lesser of two evils, evils - the Heisei/84-95 version has both been seen leaving human beings in his view alone and reacting violently to any perceived threat, fighting the greater threat, and thus could be rooted for. By the time GMK rolled around, backing Godzilla in a fight between him and another kaiju is almost instinct.



** Additionally, the monster Titanosaurus from ''Film/TerrorOfMechagodzilla'' is seen as this. Despite being a giant monster who has murdered several people, including children out of the command of his Mad Scientist Master and his Cyborg Daughter, it is stated multiple times in film and in publishings that this all out being BrainwashedAndCrazy by his master(s) and that in reality, he's just a [[GentleGiant gentle]] [[spoiler:[[TragicMonster and tragic]]]] monster.
** The MUTOs of ''Film/Godzilla2014'' often get this treatment. In the film, they're depicted as being completely callous to the damage they cause to humans, but fans tend to focus more on the fact they're only interested in defending themselves and living out their life cycle, whilst overlooking the catastrophic consequences their survival and reproduction would entail; depicting them as {{Tragic Monster}}s.

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** Additionally, the monster Titanosaurus from ''Film/TerrorOfMechagodzilla'' is seen as this. this - though it has been applied in a different way. Despite being a giant monster who has murdered several people, including (by the looks of it anyway) children out of at the command of his Mad Scientist Master and his Cyborg Daughter, it is stated multiple times in film and in publishings that this all out being BrainwashedAndCrazy by his master(s) and that in reality, he's just a [[GentleGiant gentle]] [[spoiler:[[TragicMonster and tragic]]]] monster.
** The MUTOs of ''Film/Godzilla2014'' often get this treatment. In the film, they're depicted as being completely callous and not ones to perceive to the damage they cause to humans, but fans tend to focus more on the fact they're only interested in defending themselves and living out their life cycle, whilst overlooking the catastrophic consequences their survival and reproduction would entail; depicting them as {{Tragic Monster}}s.



* The mass-murdering Michael Myers from the ''Franchise/{{Halloween}}'' series. All of the fanfics have Michael abducting and falling for a girl, or a "childhood friend".

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* The mass-murdering Michael Myers from the ''Franchise/{{Halloween}}'' series. Though he has come in contact with others and actually left them be from the beginning, his ruthlessness up to his endangerment of his own niece is clear across the franchise as with his apparent fascination with killing - never mind when the 2018 film and its sequels bring back a Myers that lacks about any idea of bypassing people. All of the fanfics have Michael abducting and falling for a girl, or a "childhood friend".



* Smaug from ''Film/{{The Hobbit}}'' has a pretty sizable fan base, despite being pure evil, and systematically slaughtering entire populations for no particular reason save that he felt like it. Considering the portrayal of his character, and the fact that he is voiced by Benedict Cumberbatch, this is understandable.

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** Though, there are indications early on that he is out to bring the extreme sensations only to those who actually want it, he is a rather ruthless force nonetheless. Not to mention how bad things get when the evil of his being takes over in a couple installments.
* Smaug from ''Film/{{The Hobbit}}'' has a pretty sizable fan base, despite being closer to pure evil, and systematically attacking, burning, and potentially slaughtering entire populations for no particular reason save that he felt like it. Considering the portrayal of his character, character as still having some patience to speak, and the fact that he is voiced by Benedict Cumberbatch, this is understandable.



* Tony Montana of ''Film/{{Scarface 1983}}'' is a violent and possessive criminal who gradually descends into becoming an AxCrazy drug lord who, by the end of the film, has alienated or outright murdered all his friends. Instead of being seen as the cautionary tale he was intended to be, he was glorified as an "all gangster" role model by hip hop culture and ''real'' drug lords. Part of it stems from him making some good points about his actions (his "Say goodnight to the bad guy" speech) and his LastStand in the finale cementing him as a genuine badass.
* Hannibal Lecter from ''Film/TheSilenceOfTheLambs'' is a refined, intelligent older man who has a charming way of speaking. He's also a psychopathic serial killer who brutally murders people and has been involved in cannibalism.

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* Tony Montana of ''Film/{{Scarface 1983}}'' is a violent and possessive criminal who gradually descends into becoming an AxCrazy drug lord who, by the end of the film, has alienated or outright murdered all most his friends.'friends'. Instead of being seen as the cautionary tale he was intended to be, he was glorified as an "all gangster" role model by hip hop culture and ''real'' drug lords. Part of it stems from honorable traits of not harming children even when chips were down, him making some good points about his actions (his "Say goodnight to the bad guy" speech) speech), and his LastStand in the finale cementing him as a genuine badass.
* Hannibal Lecter from ''Film/TheSilenceOfTheLambs'' is a refined, intelligent older man who has a charming way of speaking. He's also a psychopathic serial killer who brutally murders people (though it becomes more apparent, both in the literature and in the movies, that he is more apt to targeting those who act rudely) and has been involved in cannibalism.



** In the first movie ''Film/TheTerminator'', the T-800 itself is a Draco in Leather Pants, [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin with real leather pants]]. He was so popular with fans that the next T-800 is a heroic character in the second movie.

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** In the first movie ''Film/TheTerminator'', the T-800 itself is a Draco in Leather Pants, [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin with real leather pants]]. He was so popular with fans that the next T-800 is was becoming a heroic character in the second movie.



*** Surprisingly, the T-1000 gets this in fan fiction and on Website/{{Youtube}}. You know, the murderous, borderline-sadistic killing machine who stabs people through the eye and occasionally kills them seemingly just for the hell of it. RuleThirtyFour indeed.

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*** Surprisingly, the T-1000 gets this in fan fiction and on Website/{{Youtube}}. You know, the murderous, borderline-sadistic killing machine who stabs people through the eye and occasionally kills them seemingly just for the hell of it.it due to how quickly he will eliminate a roadblock in his goal to terminate young John Connor. RuleThirtyFour indeed.
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* [[Film/TheDarkKnight The Joker]] and [[Film/BatmanBegins the Scarecrow/Jonathan Crane]] seem to get this a lot in fanfiction for the Nolanverse Batman films. Leave it to crazed fangirls to pick two of the most evil characters in a series that actually has several sympathetic (or in the case of the ordinary mobsters, at least normal) villains to crush on. This is made even more bizarre by their neglect of Ra's al Ghul and Two-Face, the latter of whom is actually a sympathetic villain. Of course, Two-Face gets half his face burnt off, so it's harder to focus on his good looks.

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* [[Film/TheDarkKnight ''Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy'': The Joker]] Joker and [[Film/BatmanBegins the Scarecrow/Jonathan Crane]] Crane seem to get this a lot in fanfiction for the Nolanverse Batman films. Leave it to crazed fangirls to pick two of the most evil characters in a series that actually has several sympathetic (or in the case of the ordinary mobsters, at least normal) villains to crush on. This is made even more bizarre by their neglect of Ra's al Ghul and Two-Face, the latter of whom is actually a sympathetic villain. Of course, Two-Face gets half his face burnt off, so it's harder to focus on his good looks.

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* ''Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse'':
** Ivan Vanko in ''Film/{{Iron Man 2}}'' has a sympathetic background, but a surprising amount of people considered him ''justified'' in going after Tony after learning said background, with some suggesting that Tony was the ''real'' villain. This is despite Tony having nothing to do with what happened to Vanko's father. On top of that, Vanko kills at least half a dozen people over the course of the movie, including at least one prison guard and several civilians at the Monaco Grand Prix, as well as unleashing a small army of heavily-armed Hammer drones on the densely-crowded Stark Expo and then subsequently blew them all up in massive detonations when he lost as a final act of spite.
** Loki was getting a lot of leather pants treatment from Fandom after the release of ''Thor''. It helps that he is depicted quite sympathetically with a decent FreudianExcuse and is played by the good-looking yet melancholy Creator/TomHiddleston. He even does wear leather pants. An it's not just the fandom -- Tom Hiddleston himself ''frequently'' speaks in interviews about how he believes Loki needs a hug and some self-esteem, and that he's doing everything he does in ''The Avengers'' because he needs someone to [[LoveRedeems fix him with love]].
*** In ''The Avengers,'' some fangirls jumped off from the Loki worship because of his [[MoralEventHorizon actions]]. He kills Agent Coulson, the film-original character who's been present since Iron Man, and he brainwashes multiple S.H.I.E.L.D. personnel and Hawkeye, then has them fight their own comrades. But for many, the Loki love was still pretty high, some even theorizing that he was brainwashed and mind-controlled during ''The Avengers'' and wasn't responsible for any of his actions. His getting the tar smacked out of him by the Hulk, while one of the funniest and awesomest parts of the film, enacted the FlorenceNightingaleEffect on many viewers.
*** Come ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'', all the traits he had revoked by his actions in ''The Avengers'' were undone and no one really needed to make excuses anymore. He's clearly upset by his mother's death, giving him back any sympathy he lost from ''The Avengers'', and he seemingly dies heroically saving Thor. His gleeful prodding of Thor during their escape from Asgard brings back his lighthearted side from ''Thor'' and he still proves he's a cunning master with his not-death and quiet usurping of the throne by the end of the film.
*** This gets a FandomNod in ''Ragnarok'', where we see Loki's version of the final events of ''The Dark World'' (which he's commissioned as a play after having faked his death). Loki is written as a woobie [[HerCodeNameWasMarySue who just wanted his family to love him.]] Most of the audience is sobbing, while the real Loki, lounging on his throne in disguise and eating grapes, finds the whole thing hilarious.
*** In ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' and ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'', [[spoiler:Loki performs a HeelFaceTurn when he arrives with TheCavalry to save the day in the first film and performs a HeroicSacrifice in the second one.]] He thus drops the "Draco" part.
*** Ten years later, ''Series/{{Loki|2021}}'' deconstructs his character and uses some of the justifications fandom made for Loki back in the day. It states that his viciousness in ''The Avengers'' was largely an act to cover up his insecurity, and he only posed as evil and sadistic because he subconsiously believed in ThenLetMeBeEvil while being completely un-self-aware. While his fans used to gloss over his crimes, the story makes no attempt to downplay them and inflicts a TraumaCongaLine to karmically punish Loki for them. However, in all other aspects it [[AscendedFanon officially adopts the treatment fans gave to him as canon]] -- Loki was never inherently evil, and all he really needed was someone to listen to him and to show him some love.
** Erik Killmonger of ''Film/BlackPanther2018'', who not only has EvilIsSexy going for him but is also a JerkassWoobie with more than a few shades of VillainHasAPoint. Regardless of that however, his more zealous fans tend to completely overlook the fact that he's still a remorseless killer who would have no qualms with letting innocent people (even [[WouldHurtAChild children]]) die for the sake of [[spoiler:instigating a massive race war that wouldn't so much put Wakanda at the top in as much as it would just destroy the whole world, on top of destroying the purple flowers that grant the Black Panther lineage their abilities, and even shot his partner-in-crime/girlfriend without a second thought [[ShootTheHostage during a hostage situation]]]].\\
This is deconstructed in ''Westernanimation/WhatIf2021'', where an AlternateHistory [[Recap/WhatIfS1E6WhatIfKillmongerRescuedTonyStark focused on Killmonger]] seems a downright indictment on his MisaimedFandom by really showing his negative side with no sympathy. He starts off well, [[Film/IronMan1 rescuing Tony Stark and uncovering how Obadiah Stane tried to kill him]]. And then Killmonger is uncovered as a ManipulativeBastard [[spoiler:who through EngineeredHeroics and playing up several parties (Stark, Klaue, the US military and Wakanda), gets in Wakanda's graces while also having provoked the US and Wakanda into a state of war, along the way killing three heroes (Rhodey, T'Challa, and Stark) with little remorse.]]
** Thanos in ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'' is given more depth than a typical MCU villain as he [[JerkassWoobie garners a large amount of sympathy]] and has a noble goal of trying to prevent an overpopulation crisis that would doom the universe. However, many people still forget that regardless of his motivations and backstory, Thanos is still a [[OmnicidalManiac genocidal madman]] whose ultimate plans involves killing half of the population of the universe as soon as he possesses the means to do so. In particular, they offer him a ''lot'' of sympathy because he's sad after [[spoiler:Gamora]] dies, completely ignoring the fact that he himself willingly sacrificed her for power. Then there's the fact that his ultimate plan of depopulation is [[ArtisticLicenseBiology scientifically unsound]] and [[InsaneTrollLogic logically unsound]], which would only cause needless deaths, and with the [[{{Superweapon}} Infinity Gauntlet]] he could do literally ''[[RealityWarper anything else]]'' to solve overpopulation, yet stuck to his plan of murdering half a universe. And when the Avengers are attempting to undo said genocide, he decides to erase the ''whole'' universe instead out of the deluded belief that the population will be "grateful" for his act. This gets a nod in ''WesternAnimation/WhatIf2021'' where Thanos repeatedly attempts to justify his plans the way fandom did it before only for other characters InUniverse to shut him down with "it's still genocide" argument.
** Helmut Zemo from ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' and ''Series/TheFalconAndTheWinterSoldier'' is charming and AffablyEvil, yes, and he did care deeply about his [[MoralityChain family]], but he's still a TokenEvilTeammate with a checkered past as a member of a [[NoHistoricalFiguresWereHarmed stand-in]] version of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpions_(paramilitary) an infamous real-life perpetrator of war crimes]], and who engages in extreme methods that leave behind collateral damage to accomplish his goals of DisproportionateRetribution. But because he's attractive his fans tend to gloss over it in favor of portraying him as a tortured woobie whose revenge is justified, who is more straightforwardly heroic than Karli (who, despite her villainous methods, does have a noble goal to speak of), an innocent victim of abuse by [[RonTheDeathEater Sam]], or even a gentle lover whose efforts to deliberately upset Bucky are treated as sweet courtship if not outright RomanticizedAbuse.
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** Thanos in ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'' is given more depth than a typical MCU villain as he [[JerkassWoobie garners a large amount of sympathy]] and has a noble goal of trying to prevent an overpopulation crisis that would doom the universe. However, many people still forget that regardless of his motivations and backstory, Thanos is still a [[OmnicidalManiac genocidal madman]] whose ultimate plans involves killing half of the population of the universe as soon as he possesses the means to do so. In particular, they offer him a ''lot'' of sympathy because he's sad after [[spoiler:Gamora]] dies, completely ignoring the fact that he himself willingly sacrificed her for power. Then there's the fact that his ultimate plan of depopulation is [[ArtisticLicenseBiology scientifically unsound]] and [[InsaneTrollLogic logically unsound]], which would only cause needless deaths, and with the [[{{Superweapon}} Infinity Gauntlet]] he could do literally ''[[RealityWarper anything else]]'' to solve overpopulation, yet stuck to his plan of murdering half a universe. This gets a nod in ''WesternAnimation/WhatIf2021'' where Thanos repeatedly attempts to justify his plans the way fandom did it before only for other characters InUniverse to shut him down with "it's still genocide" argument.

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** Thanos in ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'' is given more depth than a typical MCU villain as he [[JerkassWoobie garners a large amount of sympathy]] and has a noble goal of trying to prevent an overpopulation crisis that would doom the universe. However, many people still forget that regardless of his motivations and backstory, Thanos is still a [[OmnicidalManiac genocidal madman]] whose ultimate plans involves killing half of the population of the universe as soon as he possesses the means to do so. In particular, they offer him a ''lot'' of sympathy because he's sad after [[spoiler:Gamora]] dies, completely ignoring the fact that he himself willingly sacrificed her for power. Then there's the fact that his ultimate plan of depopulation is [[ArtisticLicenseBiology scientifically unsound]] and [[InsaneTrollLogic logically unsound]], which would only cause needless deaths, and with the [[{{Superweapon}} Infinity Gauntlet]] he could do literally ''[[RealityWarper anything else]]'' to solve overpopulation, yet stuck to his plan of murdering half a universe. And when the Avengers are attempting to undo said genocide, he decides to erase the ''whole'' universe instead out of the deluded belief that the population will be "grateful" for his act. This gets a nod in ''WesternAnimation/WhatIf2021'' where Thanos repeatedly attempts to justify his plans the way fandom did it before only for other characters InUniverse to shut him down with "it's still genocide" argument.
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* Col. Landa from ''Film/InglouriousBasterds'' has a strong following. Obviously intended to be a MagnificentBastard, too many are admiring his politeness and cunning, ignoring the fact that he's a sadistic and sociopathic SS officer shown to even possibly have misogynistic tendencies and is extremely self-serving rather than simply doing what he does out of a manner of duty. The idea that Landa is a MagnificentBastard actually has shades of this trope; he's more of a SmugSnake, because his "plan" has so many flaws in it, the most obvious one being the one that actually happens [[spoiler: namely, trusting a group of sociopaths who call themselves [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast the Basterds]]]]. That, and while his plan to [[spoiler: sell out the German leadership]] ''did'' sort-of work, he failed to identify Shoshanna as the Jewish girl whose family he slaughtered, so even if he did [[spoiler: turn the Basterds in]] they all still would have died, maybe himself included, and mostly due to his incompetence, not his scheming.

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* Col. Landa from ''Film/InglouriousBasterds'' has a strong following. Obviously intended to be a MagnificentBastard, too many are admiring his politeness and cunning, ignoring the fact that he's a sadistic and sociopathic SS officer shown to even also possibly have misogynistic tendencies and is extremely self-serving rather than simply doing what he does out of a manner of duty. The idea that Landa is a MagnificentBastard actually has shades of this trope; he's more of a SmugSnake, because his "plan" has so many flaws in it, the most obvious one being the one that actually happens [[spoiler: namely, trusting a group of sociopaths who call themselves [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast the Basterds]]]]. That, and while his plan to [[spoiler: sell out the German leadership]] ''did'' sort-of work, he failed to identify Shoshanna as the Jewish girl whose family he slaughtered, so even if he did [[spoiler: turn the Basterds in]] they all still would have died, maybe himself included, and mostly due to his incompetence, not his scheming.

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* Col. Landa from ''Film/InglouriousBasterds'' already seems to be developing this sort of following. Obviously intended to be a ManipulativeBastard, too many are admiring his politeness and cunning, ignoring the fact that he's a sadistic and sociopathic SS officer shown to also possibly have misogynistic tendencies and is extremely self-serving rather than simply doing what he does out of a manner of duty.
** This has been augmented by actual neo-nazis and right-wing revisionists who fiercedly welcomed a non-negative portrayal of an SS officer (despite the fact that Landa is still [[MisaimedFandom far from a 'non-negative' portrayal of an SS officer]]) and exaggerated his virtues while overlooking his flaws, claiming the whole SS to have been like him. It makes even less sense if you remember that the ''one'' heroic thing Landa ever does (and it was just to guarantee he'd be a KarmaHoudini) was [[spoiler: blowing up Hitler, Goebbels, Goering, and Bormann]] - in other words, apparently [[LogicBomb neo-Nazis admire him for]] ''[[LogicBomb being anti-Nazi]]''.
** The idea that Landa is a ManipulativeBastard actually has shades of this trope; he's more of a SmugSnake, because his "plan" has so many flaws in it, the most obvious one being the one that actually happens [[spoiler: namely, trusting a group of sociopaths who call themselves [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast the Basterds]]]]. That, and while his plan to [[spoiler: sell out the German leadership]] ''did'' sort-of work, he failed to identify Shoshanna as the Jewish girl whose family he slaughtered, so even if he did [[spoiler: turn the Basterds in]] they all still would have died, maybe himself included, and mostly due to his incompetence, not his scheming.
*** Given the dramatic pause he gave before ordering milk (she had been hiding on a dairy farm), it's likely that he did recognize Shoshanna, but was being cruel again by drawing out their encounter and scaring her with hints that he did recognize her.

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* Col. Landa from ''Film/InglouriousBasterds'' already seems to be developing this sort of has a strong following. Obviously intended to be a ManipulativeBastard, MagnificentBastard, too many are admiring his politeness and cunning, ignoring the fact that he's a sadistic and sociopathic SS officer shown to also even possibly have misogynistic tendencies and is extremely self-serving rather than simply doing what he does out of a manner of duty.
** This has been augmented by actual neo-nazis and right-wing revisionists who fiercedly welcomed a non-negative portrayal of an SS officer (despite the fact that Landa is still [[MisaimedFandom far from a 'non-negative' portrayal of an SS officer]]) and exaggerated his virtues while overlooking his flaws, claiming the whole SS to have been like him. It makes even less sense if you remember that the ''one'' heroic thing Landa ever does (and it was just to guarantee he'd be a KarmaHoudini) was [[spoiler: blowing up Hitler, Goebbels, Goering, and Bormann]] - in other words, apparently [[LogicBomb neo-Nazis admire him for]] ''[[LogicBomb being anti-Nazi]]''.
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duty. The idea that Landa is a ManipulativeBastard MagnificentBastard actually has shades of this trope; he's more of a SmugSnake, because his "plan" has so many flaws in it, the most obvious one being the one that actually happens [[spoiler: namely, trusting a group of sociopaths who call themselves [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast the Basterds]]]]. That, and while his plan to [[spoiler: sell out the German leadership]] ''did'' sort-of work, he failed to identify Shoshanna as the Jewish girl whose family he slaughtered, so even if he did [[spoiler: turn the Basterds in]] they all still would have died, maybe himself included, and mostly due to his incompetence, not his scheming.
*** Given the dramatic pause he gave before ordering milk (she had been hiding on a dairy farm), it's likely that he did recognize Shoshanna, but was being cruel again by drawing out their encounter and scaring her with hints that he did recognize her.
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* Col. Landa from ''Film/InglouriousBasterds'' already seems to be developing this sort of following. Obviously intended to be a ManipulativeBastard, too many are admiring his politeness and cunning, ignoring the fact that he's a sadistic and sociopathic SS officer shown to even possibly have misogynistic tendencies and is extremely self-serving rather than simply doing what he does out of a manner of duty.

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* Col. Landa from ''Film/InglouriousBasterds'' already seems to be developing this sort of following. Obviously intended to be a ManipulativeBastard, too many are admiring his politeness and cunning, ignoring the fact that he's a sadistic and sociopathic SS officer shown to even also possibly have misogynistic tendencies and is extremely self-serving rather than simply doing what he does out of a manner of duty.
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* Col. Landa from ''Film/InglouriousBasterds'' already seems to be developing this sort of following. Obviously intended to be a MagnificentBastard, too many are admiring his politeness and cunning, ignoring the fact that he's a sadistic and sociopathic SS officer shown to even possibly have misogynistic tendencies and is extremely self-serving rather than simply doing what he does out of a manner of duty.

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* Col. Landa from ''Film/InglouriousBasterds'' already seems to be developing this sort of following. Obviously intended to be a MagnificentBastard, ManipulativeBastard, too many are admiring his politeness and cunning, ignoring the fact that he's a sadistic and sociopathic SS officer shown to even possibly have misogynistic tendencies and is extremely self-serving rather than simply doing what he does out of a manner of duty.



** The idea that Landa is a MagnificentBastard actually has shades of this trope; he's more of a SmugSnake, because his "plan" has so many flaws in it, the most obvious one being the one that actually happens [[spoiler: namely, trusting a group of sociopaths who call themselves [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast the Basterds]]]]. That, and while his plan to [[spoiler: sell out the German leadership]] ''did'' sort-of work, he failed to identify Shoshanna as the Jewish girl whose family he slaughtered, so even if he did [[spoiler: turn the Basterds in]] they all still would have died, maybe himself included, and mostly due to his incompetence, not his scheming.

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** The idea that Landa is a MagnificentBastard ManipulativeBastard actually has shades of this trope; he's more of a SmugSnake, because his "plan" has so many flaws in it, the most obvious one being the one that actually happens [[spoiler: namely, trusting a group of sociopaths who call themselves [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast the Basterds]]]]. That, and while his plan to [[spoiler: sell out the German leadership]] ''did'' sort-of work, he failed to identify Shoshanna as the Jewish girl whose family he slaughtered, so even if he did [[spoiler: turn the Basterds in]] they all still would have died, maybe himself included, and mostly due to his incompetence, not his scheming.
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** Erik Killmonger of ''Film/BlackPanther2018'', who not only has EvilIsSexy going for him but is also a JerkassWoobie with more than a few shades of VillainHasAPoint. Regardless of that however, his more zealous fans tend to completely overlook the fact that he's still a remorseless killer who would have no qualms with letting innocent people (even [[WouldHurtAChild children]]) die for the sake of [[spoiler:instigating a massive race war that wouldn't so much put Wakanda at the top in as much as it would just destroy the whole world, on top of destroying the purple flowers that grant the Black Panther lineage their abilities, and even shot his partner-in-crime/girlfriend without a second thought [[ShootTheHostage during a hostage situation]]]]. That and he is also an implied DeathSeeker who is so hellbent on vengeance that his evil plan would be a murder-suicide.\\

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** Erik Killmonger of ''Film/BlackPanther2018'', who not only has EvilIsSexy going for him but is also a JerkassWoobie with more than a few shades of VillainHasAPoint. Regardless of that however, his more zealous fans tend to completely overlook the fact that he's still a remorseless killer who would have no qualms with letting innocent people (even [[WouldHurtAChild children]]) die for the sake of [[spoiler:instigating a massive race war that wouldn't so much put Wakanda at the top in as much as it would just destroy the whole world, on top of destroying the purple flowers that grant the Black Panther lineage their abilities, and even shot his partner-in-crime/girlfriend without a second thought [[ShootTheHostage during a hostage situation]]]]. That and he is also an implied DeathSeeker who is so hellbent on vengeance that his evil plan would be a murder-suicide.\\

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** Erik Killmonger of ''Film/BlackPanther2018'', who not only has EvilIsSexy going for him but is also a JerkassWoobie with more than a few shades of VillainHasAPoint. Regardless of that however, his more zealous fans tend to completely overlook the fact that he's still a remorseless killer who would have no qualms with letting innocent people (even [[WouldHurtAChild children]]) die for the sake of [[spoiler:instigating a massive race war that wouldn't so much put Wakanda at the top in as much as it would just destroy the whole world, on top of destroying the purple flowers that grant the Black Panther lineage their abilities, and even shot his partner-in-crime/girlfriend without a second thought [[ShootTheHostage during a hostage situation]]]]. That and he is also an implied DeathSeeker who is so hellbent on vengeance that his evil plan would be a murder-suicide.
*** This is deconstructed in ''Westernanimation/WhatIf2021'', where an AlternateHistory
[[Recap/WhatIfS1E6WhatIfKillmongerRescuedTonyStark focused on Killmonger]] seems a downright indictment on his MisaimedFandom by really showing his negative side with no sympathy. He starts off well, [[Film/IronMan1 rescuing Tony Stark and uncovering how Obadiah Stane tried to kill him]]. And then Killmonger is uncovered as a ManipulativeBastard [[spoiler:who through EngineeredHeroics and playing up several parties (Stark, Klaue, the US military and Wakanda), gets in Wakanda's graces while also having provoked the US and Wakanda into a state of war, along the way killing three heroes (Rhodey, T'Challa, and Stark) with little remorse.]]
** Thanos in ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'' is given more depth than a typical MCU villain as he [[JerkassWoobie garners a large amount of sympathy]] and has a noble goal of trying to prevent an overpopulation crisis that would doom the universe. However, many people still forget that regardless of his motivations and backstory, Thanos is still a [[OmnicidalManiac genocidal madman]] whose ultimate plans involves killing half of the population of the universe as soon as he possesses the means to do so. In particular, they offer him a ''lot'' of sympathy because he's sad after [[spoiler:Gamora]] dies, completely ignoring the fact that he himself willingly sacrificed her for power. Then there's the fact that his ultimate plan of depopulation is [[ArtisticLicenseBiology scientifically unsound]] and [[InsaneTrollLogic logically unsound]], which would only cause needless deaths, and with the [[{{Superweapon}} Infinity Gauntlet]] he could do literally ''[[RealityWarper anything else]]'' to solve overpopulation, yet stuck to his plan of murdering half a universe. This gets a nod in ''WesternAnimation/WhatIf2021'' where Thanos repeatedly attempts to justify his plans the way fandom did it before only for other characters InUniverse to shut him down with "it is still a genocide" argument.

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** Erik Killmonger of ''Film/BlackPanther2018'', who not only has EvilIsSexy going for him but is also a JerkassWoobie with more than a few shades of VillainHasAPoint. Regardless of that however, his more zealous fans tend to completely overlook the fact that he's still a remorseless killer who would have no qualms with letting innocent people (even [[WouldHurtAChild children]]) die for the sake of [[spoiler:instigating a massive race war that wouldn't so much put Wakanda at the top in as much as it would just destroy the whole world, on top of destroying the purple flowers that grant the Black Panther lineage their abilities, and even shot his partner-in-crime/girlfriend without a second thought [[ShootTheHostage during a hostage situation]]]]. That and he is also an implied DeathSeeker who is so hellbent on vengeance that his evil plan would be a murder-suicide.
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This is deconstructed in ''Westernanimation/WhatIf2021'', where an AlternateHistory
AlternateHistory [[Recap/WhatIfS1E6WhatIfKillmongerRescuedTonyStark focused on Killmonger]] seems a downright indictment on his MisaimedFandom by really showing his negative side with no sympathy. He starts off well, [[Film/IronMan1 rescuing Tony Stark and uncovering how Obadiah Stane tried to kill him]]. And then Killmonger is uncovered as a ManipulativeBastard [[spoiler:who through EngineeredHeroics and playing up several parties (Stark, Klaue, the US military and Wakanda), gets in Wakanda's graces while also having provoked the US and Wakanda into a state of war, along the way killing three heroes (Rhodey, T'Challa, and Stark) with little remorse.]]
** Thanos in ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'' is given more depth than a typical MCU villain as he [[JerkassWoobie garners a large amount of sympathy]] and has a noble goal of trying to prevent an overpopulation crisis that would doom the universe. However, many people still forget that regardless of his motivations and backstory, Thanos is still a [[OmnicidalManiac genocidal madman]] whose ultimate plans involves killing half of the population of the universe as soon as he possesses the means to do so. In particular, they offer him a ''lot'' of sympathy because he's sad after [[spoiler:Gamora]] dies, completely ignoring the fact that he himself willingly sacrificed her for power. Then there's the fact that his ultimate plan of depopulation is [[ArtisticLicenseBiology scientifically unsound]] and [[InsaneTrollLogic logically unsound]], which would only cause needless deaths, and with the [[{{Superweapon}} Infinity Gauntlet]] he could do literally ''[[RealityWarper anything else]]'' to solve overpopulation, yet stuck to his plan of murdering half a universe. This gets a nod in ''WesternAnimation/WhatIf2021'' where Thanos repeatedly attempts to justify his plans the way fandom did it before only for other characters InUniverse to shut him down with "it is "it's still a genocide" argument.
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*** This is deconstructed in ''Westernanimation/WhatIf2021'', where an AlternateHistory
[[Recap/WhatIfS1E6WhatIfKillmongerRescuedTonyStark focused on Killmonger]] seems a downright indictment on his MisaimedFandom by really showing his negative side with no sympathy. He starts off well, [[Film/IronMan1 rescuing Tony Stark and uncovering how Obadiah Stane tried to kill him]]. And then Killmonger is uncovered as a ManipulativeBastard [[spoiler:who through EngineeredHeroics and playing up several parties (Stark, Klaue, the US military and Wakanda), gets in Wakanda's graces while also having provoked the US and Wakanda into a state of war, along the way killing three heroes (Rhodey, T'Challa, and Stark) with little remorse.]]
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** Helmut Zemo from ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' and ''Series/TheFalconAndTheWinterSoldier'' is charming and AffablyEvil, yes, and he did care deeply about his [[MoralityChain family]], but he's still a TokenEvilTeammate with a checkered past as a member of a [[NoHistoricalFiguresWereHarmed stand-in]] version of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpions_(paramilitary) an infamous real-life perpetrator of war crimes]], and who engages in extreme methods that leave behind collateral damage to accomplish his goals of DisproportionateRetribution. But because he's attractive his fans tend to gloss over it in favor of portraying him as a tortured woobie whose revenge is justified, who is more straightforwardly heroic than Karli (who, despite her villainous methods, does have a noble goal to speak of), an innocent victim of abuse by [[RonTheDeathEater Sam]], or even a gentle lover whose efforts to deliberately upset Bucky are treated as sweet courtship if not outright RomanticizedAbuse.
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*** Ten years later, ''Series/{{Loki|2021}}'' deconstructs his character and uses some of the justifications fandom made for Loki back in the day. It states that his viciousness in ''The Avengers'' was largely an act to cover up his insecurity, and he only posed as evil and sadistic because he subconsiously believed in ThenLetMeBeEvil while being completely un-self-aware. While his fans used to gloss over his crimes, the story makes no attempt to downplay them and inflicts a TraumaCongaLine to karmically punish Loki for them. However, in all other aspects it [[AscendedFanon officially adops the treatment fans gave to him as canon]] -- Loki was never inherently evil, and all he really needed was someone to listen to him and to show him some love.

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*** Ten years later, ''Series/{{Loki|2021}}'' deconstructs his character and uses some of the justifications fandom made for Loki back in the day. It states that his viciousness in ''The Avengers'' was largely an act to cover up his insecurity, and he only posed as evil and sadistic because he subconsiously believed in ThenLetMeBeEvil while being completely un-self-aware. While his fans used to gloss over his crimes, the story makes no attempt to downplay them and inflicts a TraumaCongaLine to karmically punish Loki for them. However, in all other aspects it [[AscendedFanon officially adops adopts the treatment fans gave to him as canon]] -- Loki was never inherently evil, and all he really needed was someone to listen to him and to show him some love.

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** ''Film/ManOfSteel'' gives us [[BigBad General Zod]] and [[TheDragon Faora]]. The former gets this because of his [[WellIntentionedExtremist sympathetic motivations to return Krypton to its former glory]] and [[LargeHam entertaining performance]], while the latter gets this because EvilIsSexy and [[EvilIsCool Cool]].



* ''Film/ManOfSteel'' gives us [[BigBad General Zod]] and [[TheDragon Faora]]. The former gets this because of his [[WellIntentionedExtremist sympathetic motivations to return Krypton to its former glory]] and [[LargeHam entertaining performance]], while the latter gets this because EvilIsSexy and [[EvilIsCool Cool]].
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** Batman gets forgiven by a lot of fans despite as being presented far crueler than his usual portrayals. The entirety of ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'' (practically the extended version) tries to portray him as having gone off the deep end and being in the wrong. He murders criminals and dedicates his life to killing an innocent man due to his own bigotry. However, a lot of fans like to portray him as right in his hatred of Superman, and some like to downplay it due to him befriending Clark in the end, ignoring the fact that Clark has done nothing to him.

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** Batman gets forgiven by a lot of fans despite as being presented as far crueler than his usual portrayals. The entirety of ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'' (practically the extended version) tries to portray him as having gone off the deep end and being in the wrong. He murders criminals and dedicates his life to killing an innocent man due to his own bigotry. However, a lot of fans like to portray him as right in his hatred of Superman, and some like to downplay it due to him befriending Clark in the end, ignoring the fact that Clark has done nothing to him.
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** Batman gets forgiven by a lot of fans despite as being presented far crueler than his usual portrayals. The entirety of ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'' (practically the extended version) tries to portray him as having gone off the deep end and being in the wrong. He murders criminals and dedicates his life to killing an innocent man due to his own bigotry. However, a lot of fans like to portray him as right in his hatred of Superman, and some like to downplay it due to him befriending Clark in the end, ignoring the fact that Clark has done nothing to him.
** ''Film/Aquaman2018'': Orm is determined to destroy the surface world and is willing to kill his own brother to do it, but you wouldn't think so with all the fangirls who like to portray him as the good guy. In the actual film, he is willing to kill his own men to frame the surface for the attack, kill a king who wouldn't follow him in a war, and try to kill Mara despite promising her father he wouldn't. However, a lot of fangirls like to forget that due to him being played by the very charismatic (and good-looking) Creator/PatrickWilson, his FreudianExcuse of missing his mother, and him being well-intentioned.
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*** Ten years later, ''Series/{{Loki|2021}}'' uses some of the justifications fandom made for Loki back in the day, stating that his viciousness in ''The Avengers'' was largely an act to cover up his insecurity, and he only posed as evil and sadistic because he subconsiously believed in ThenLetMeBeEvil while being completely un-self-aware. The series deconstructs his character and [[TraumaCongaLine thoroughly breaks him]]. By the end of season 1, Loki is no longer a villain.

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*** Ten years later, ''Series/{{Loki|2021}}'' deconstructs his character and uses some of the justifications fandom made for Loki back in the day, stating day. It states that his viciousness in ''The Avengers'' was largely an act to cover up his insecurity, and he only posed as evil and sadistic because he subconsiously believed in ThenLetMeBeEvil while being completely un-self-aware. The series deconstructs While his character fans used to gloss over his crimes, the story makes no attempt to downplay them and [[TraumaCongaLine thoroughly breaks him]]. By the end of season 1, inflicts a TraumaCongaLine to karmically punish Loki is no longer a villain.for them. However, in all other aspects it [[AscendedFanon officially adops the treatment fans gave to him as canon]] -- Loki was never inherently evil, and all he really needed was someone to listen to him and to show him some love.
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** Thanos in ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'' is given more depth than a typical MCU villain as he [[JerkassWoobie garners a large amount of sympathy]] and has a noble goal of trying to prevent an overpopulation crisis that would doom the universe. However, many people still forget that regardless of his motivations and backstory, Thanos is still a [[OmnicidalManiac genocidal madman]] whose ultimate plans involves killing half of the population of the universe as soon as he possesses the means to do so. In particular, they offer him a ''lot'' of sympathy because he's sad after [[spoiler:Gamora]] dies, completely ignoring the fact that he himself willingly sacrificed her for power. Then there's the fact that his ultimate plan of depopulation is [[ArtisticLicenseBiology scientifically unsound]] and [[InsaneTrollLogic logically unsound]], which would only cause needless deaths, and with the [[{{Superweapon}} Infinity Gauntlet]] he could do literally ''[[RealityWarper anything else]]'' to solve overpopulation, yet stuck to his plan of murdering half a universe.

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** Thanos in ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'' is given more depth than a typical MCU villain as he [[JerkassWoobie garners a large amount of sympathy]] and has a noble goal of trying to prevent an overpopulation crisis that would doom the universe. However, many people still forget that regardless of his motivations and backstory, Thanos is still a [[OmnicidalManiac genocidal madman]] whose ultimate plans involves killing half of the population of the universe as soon as he possesses the means to do so. In particular, they offer him a ''lot'' of sympathy because he's sad after [[spoiler:Gamora]] dies, completely ignoring the fact that he himself willingly sacrificed her for power. Then there's the fact that his ultimate plan of depopulation is [[ArtisticLicenseBiology scientifically unsound]] and [[InsaneTrollLogic logically unsound]], which would only cause needless deaths, and with the [[{{Superweapon}} Infinity Gauntlet]] he could do literally ''[[RealityWarper anything else]]'' to solve overpopulation, yet stuck to his plan of murdering half a universe. This gets a nod in ''WesternAnimation/WhatIf2021'' where Thanos repeatedly attempts to justify his plans the way fandom did it before only for other characters InUniverse to shut him down with "it is still a genocide" argument.

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