History DracoInLeatherPants / Film

26th Jan '17 8:02:38 AM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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** TheEmpire in general gets a fair amount of this. It goes beyond RootingForTheEmpire (which is where people root for the bad guys ''while still acknowledging they're the bad guys''), since some political analysts [[http://www.weeklystandard.com/article/2540 have actually interpreted the Empire as the real heroes of the franchise]].

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** TheEmpire in general gets a fair amount of this. It goes beyond RootingForTheEmpire (which is where when people root for the bad guys ''while still acknowledging they're the bad guys''), since some political analysts [[http://www.weeklystandard.com/article/2540 have actually interpreted the Empire as the real heroes of the franchise]].
13th Jan '17 8:38:45 PM CurledUpWithDakka
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* The mass-murdering Michael Myers from the ''Franchise/{{Halloween}} series. All of the fanfics have Michael abducting and falling for a girl, or a "childhood friend".

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* The mass-murdering Michael Myers from the ''Franchise/{{Halloween}} ''Franchise/{{Halloween}}'' series. All of the fanfics have Michael abducting and falling for a girl, or a "childhood friend".
9th Jan '17 4:21:04 AM youfeelingluckypunk27
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* Tuco in ''Film/TheGoodTheBadAndTheUgly'', a greedy, selfish, petty, vengeful, opportunistic bandit whose charges have been for things such as armed robbery, murder, rape, kidnapping, extortion and selling stolen goods, gets this treatment from audience members, critics and film scholars, not to mention his sizeable fangirl community. It's because for every one of his bad deeds, he wins his audience over again and again by doing something funny or cute, or reminding us of how lost and somewhat vulnerable he is.

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* Tuco in ''Film/TheGoodTheBadAndTheUgly'', a greedy, selfish, petty, vengeful, opportunistic bandit whose charges have been for things such as armed robbery, murder, rape, kidnapping, extortion and selling stolen goods, gets this treatment from audience members, critics and film scholars, not to mention his sizeable fangirl community. It's because for every one of his bad deeds, he wins his audience over again and again by doing something funny or cute, or reminding us of how lost and somewhat vulnerable he is. The fact that he's firmly established as a fully-fledged JerkassWoobie has caused some people to overlook his more ruthless side.
2nd Jan '17 5:09:55 AM Argon2
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** It probably helps that RLeeErmey is actually quite nice (if still very intimidating) and it is a well known fact he was a real drill instructor for the Marines before retiring to a Hollywood career.



** Part of this is likely due to the fact that she's presented very ambiguously. She's obviously sociopathic, but she gives out no true details about her life or past, making the viewer wonder why she's doing it and therefore invent a possibly sympathetic backstory.
** It is also possible that the nature of the child molester's crimes contributes to this: Fans tend to ignore or excuse all sorts of horrible fates that are doled out to characters that are portrayed as [[KickTheDog having crossed]] [[MoralEventHorizon some sort of line]].



** The idea that Landa is a MagnificentBastard actually has shades of this trope; he's more of a SmugSnake because his "plan" has so many flaws in it, and the most obvious one is the one that actually happens [[spoiler: namely, trusting a group of sociopaths who call themselves [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast the Basterds]]]]. That, and while his plan to [[spoiler: sell out the German leadership]] ''did'' sort-of work, he failed to identify Shoshanna as the Jewish girl whose family he slaughtered, so even if he did [[spoiler: turn the Basterds in]] they all still would have died, maybe himself included, and mostly due to his incompetence, not his scheming.

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** The idea that Landa is a MagnificentBastard actually has shades of this trope; he's more of a SmugSnake SmugSnake, because his "plan" has so many flaws in it, and the most obvious one is being the one that actually happens [[spoiler: namely, trusting a group of sociopaths who call themselves [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast the Basterds]]]]. That, and while his plan to [[spoiler: sell out the German leadership]] ''did'' sort-of work, he failed to identify Shoshanna as the Jewish girl whose family he slaughtered, so even if he did [[spoiler: turn the Basterds in]] they all still would have died, maybe himself included, and mostly due to his incompetence, not his scheming.



* The title character in the film version of ''Film/SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet''. Granted, he does have a very sympathetic backstory. A judge lusted after Sweeney's wife Lucy. The judge fabricated a crime that resulted in Barker being exiled to Australia and then proceeded to drive Lucy to suicide, and then took in Lucy and Sweeney's daughter Johanna as his ward. However, the sympathy factor starts to wane when Todd loses sight of his original goal of avenging his wife and daughter. Instead, he slaughters tons of innocent people, including, [[spoiler:by mistake, his own wife Lucy, who had become an insane beggar from the poison instead of dying. He is so deranged at this point that he cuts her down just because the judge is coming over and he might see this crazy lady running around the barber shop. He doesn't realize exactly what he's done until later]]. Still, fangirls swoon over how hot he is and ignore everything he does because his life is so sad. To be fair, this may mostly come from the fact that Creator/JohnnyDepp plays him.
** Same with Mrs Lovett. Interpertations of her range from anti-villain to woobie, despite the fact that she knows what she's doing and that it's wrong, but doesn't care.

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* The title character in the film version of ''Film/SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet''. Granted, he does have a very sympathetic backstory. A judge lusted after Sweeney's wife Lucy. The judge fabricated a crime that resulted in Barker being exiled to Australia and then proceeded to drive Lucy to suicide, and then took in Lucy and Sweeney's daughter Johanna as his ward. However, the sympathy factor starts to wane when Todd loses sight of his original goal of avenging his wife and daughter. Instead, he slaughters tons of innocent people, including, [[spoiler:by mistake, his own wife Lucy, who had become an insane beggar from the poison instead of dying. He is so deranged at this point that he cuts her down just because the judge is coming over and he might see this crazy lady running around the barber shop. He doesn't realize exactly what he's done until later]]. Still, fangirls swoon over how hot he is and ignore everything he does because his life is so sad. To be fair, this may mostly come from the fact that Creator/JohnnyDepp plays him.\n
** Same with Mrs Lovett. Interpertations Interprtations of her range from anti-villain to woobie, despite the fact that she knows what she's doing and that it's wrong, but doesn't care.



*** Mostly people consider her a good feminist -character- though because she is complex, flawed and non-stereotypical (and cool) and goes through a compelling arc over the course of the two movies. Few would consider her to be an admirable person in the story itself. Feminists instead argue "People should write more female characters like Sarah Connor because she's interesting and not just a cookie-cutter love interest." Good character /= good person.

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*** Mostly people consider her a good feminist -character- though because she is complex, flawed and non-stereotypical (and cool) and goes through a compelling arc over the course of the two movies. Few would consider her to be an admirable person in the story itself. Feminists instead argue "People should write more female characters like Sarah Connor because she's interesting and not just a cookie-cutter love interest." Good character /= =/= good person.



** [[spoiler: Angel Salvadore]] is actually an aversion of this trope. [[spoiler: She]] has some of the attributes down, such as good looks, sympathetic motives and [[HellBentForLeather leathery attire]] (seriously, it's almost like the film-makers were trying to deliberately evoke this trope). But [[spoiler: she's]] not very well liked by the fandom though the fact that [[spoiler: she joined Shaw and stayed with him even after he killed Darwin]] could account for that.

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** [[spoiler: Angel Salvadore]] is actually an aversion of this trope. [[spoiler: She]] has some of the attributes down, such as good looks, sympathetic motives and [[HellBentForLeather leathery attire]] (seriously, it's almost like the film-makers were trying to deliberately evoke this trope). But [[spoiler: she's]] not very well liked by the fandom though the fact that [[spoiler: she joined Shaw and stayed with him even after he killed Darwin]] could account for that.fandom.
22nd Dec '16 12:32:31 PM Morgenthaler
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* [[GeneralRipper Colonel Miles Quaritch]] of ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' derives a huge amount of popularity from this, perhaps from those who [[RonTheDeathEater feel that the Na'vi didn't deserve the reverence they were given by many]], despite the fact that the Na'vi are never shown doing anything wrong unless provoked by the humans' hostility. The fandom only focuses on Quaritch's [[VillainousValor fortitude and courage in battle]], [[CoolShip cool]] [[MiniMecha vehicles]], and all-around [[{{Badass}} feats of badassitude]]. Fans also overlook his overt acts of [[FantasticRacism genocide]] against a peaceful, primitive alien tribe, including [[spoiler:[[MoralEventHorizon firebombing the tribe's giant tree home and killing possibly hundreds of innocent tribespeople, including helpless children]]. ]] Proponents of the Quaritch-as-hero theory see him as a brave and loyal defender of humanity.

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* [[GeneralRipper Colonel Miles Quaritch]] of ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' derives a huge amount of popularity from this, perhaps from those who [[RonTheDeathEater feel that the Na'vi didn't deserve the reverence they were given by many]], despite the fact that the Na'vi are never shown doing anything wrong unless provoked by the humans' hostility. The fandom only focuses on Quaritch's [[VillainousValor fortitude and courage in battle]], [[CoolShip cool]] [[MiniMecha vehicles]], and all-around [[{{Badass}} feats of badassitude]].badassitude. Fans also overlook his overt acts of [[FantasticRacism genocide]] against a peaceful, primitive alien tribe, including [[spoiler:[[MoralEventHorizon firebombing the tribe's giant tree home and killing possibly hundreds of innocent tribespeople, including helpless children]]. ]] Proponents of the Quaritch-as-hero theory see him as a brave and loyal defender of humanity.



* Vincent from ''{{Film/Collateral}}'', if fanfic is believed. For more specific reasons, it's because he manages to be quite [[EvilIsSexy hand]][[WhiteHairBlackHeart some]] and a dangerously {{badass}} assassin with [[WickedCultured great taste in music and suits]].

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* Vincent from ''{{Film/Collateral}}'', if fanfic is believed. For more specific reasons, it's because he manages to be quite [[EvilIsSexy hand]][[WhiteHairBlackHeart some]] and a dangerously {{badass}} badass assassin with [[WickedCultured great taste in music and suits]].



* A subset of the ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'' fandom refer to themselves as 'Hoffbunnies' due to their all-consuming love for the franchise's resident MagnificentBastard, Detective Mark Hoffman. He may be a [[BitchInSheepsClothing heartless, sadistic]] and [[AxCrazy violent killer]] but that doesn't stop his fanbase from waxing lyrical about how {{Badass}} and [[EvilIsSexy sexy]] he is at every available opportunity. It's most likely [[ArousedByTheirVoice that voice]]. Or ''those lips''.
* Tony Montana of ''Film/{{Scarface 1983}}'' is a violent and possessive criminal who gradually descends into becoming an AxCrazy drug lord who, by the end of the film, has alienated or outright murdered all his friends. Instead of being seen as the cautionary tale he was intended to be, he was glorified as an "all gangster" role model by hip hop culture and ''real'' drug lords. Part of it stems from him making some good points about his actions (his "Say goodnight to the bad guy" speech) and his LastStand in the finale cementing him as a genuine {{Badass}}.

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* A subset of the ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'' fandom refer to themselves as 'Hoffbunnies' due to their all-consuming love for the franchise's resident MagnificentBastard, Detective Mark Hoffman. He may be a [[BitchInSheepsClothing heartless, sadistic]] and [[AxCrazy violent killer]] but that doesn't stop his fanbase from waxing lyrical about how {{Badass}} badass and [[EvilIsSexy sexy]] he is at every available opportunity. It's most likely [[ArousedByTheirVoice that voice]]. Or ''those lips''.
* Tony Montana of ''Film/{{Scarface 1983}}'' is a violent and possessive criminal who gradually descends into becoming an AxCrazy drug lord who, by the end of the film, has alienated or outright murdered all his friends. Instead of being seen as the cautionary tale he was intended to be, he was glorified as an "all gangster" role model by hip hop culture and ''real'' drug lords. Part of it stems from him making some good points about his actions (his "Say goodnight to the bad guy" speech) and his LastStand in the finale cementing him as a genuine {{Badass}}.badass.



** General Grievous' leather pants come from two main factors: number one, [[ImplacableMan his]] ''[[HeroKiller incredible]]'' [[{{Badass}} feats]] from the ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsCloneWars'' cartoon earned him tons of fans. Number two, his DarkAndTroubledPast, as revealed in the Expanded Universe, earned him some sympathy points.

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** General Grievous' leather pants come from two main factors: number one, [[ImplacableMan his]] ''[[HeroKiller incredible]]'' [[{{Badass}} feats]] feats from the ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsCloneWars'' cartoon earned him tons of fans. Number two, his DarkAndTroubledPast, as revealed in the Expanded Universe, earned him some sympathy points.



** Rorschach before the film: he had a MisaimedFandom that viewed him as a total {{badass}}, but never found him sexy. Then the movie came, along with a legion of fangirls who want to "make him better".

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** Rorschach before the film: he had a MisaimedFandom that viewed him as a total {{badass}}, badass, but never found him sexy. Then the movie came, along with a legion of fangirls who want to "make him better".
20th Dec '16 1:02:20 PM BaronVonFistcrunch
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* Tony Montana of ''Film/{{Scarface 1983}}'' is a violent and possessive criminal who gradually descends into becoming an AxCrazy drug lord who, by the end of the film, has alienated or outright murdered all his friends. Instead of being seen as the cautionary tale he was intended to be, he was glorified as an "all gangster" role model by hip hop culture and ''real'' drug lords. Part of it stems from him making some good points about his actions (his "Say goodnight to the bad guy" speech) and his LastStand in the finale cementing him as a genuine {{Badass}}.
17th Dec '16 4:02:17 AM ACW
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** Darth Vader is one of the biggest examples in popular culture. Despite the fact that he's the enforcer of an evil totalitarian regime, serves directly under a CompleteMonster (Palpatine), and has killed, terrorized, injured and manipulated many beings across the galaxy, he's widely viewed as [[EvilIsCool a cool and admirable character]], became the SeriesMascot, and is [[MisaimedMarketing heavily marketed to kids]]; many people ignore his atrocities merely to focus on [[BlackKnight his cool design]], [[PsychicPowers Force powers]], and [[EvilSoundsDeep memorable voice and quotes]]. While ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' and the prequel trilogy made him more sympathetic, the point remains that, if not for the fact that he was so damn successful, [[TheHeavy the main villain]] would be a very odd choice as the mascot for the family-friendly ''Star Wars'' franchise. In fact, ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'' may have worsened this for Vader, because Creator/HaydenChristensen's PrettyBoy {{Hunk}} looks gained him many fangirls and put EvilIsSexy into effect.

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** Darth Vader is one of the biggest examples in popular culture. Despite the fact that he's the enforcer of an evil totalitarian regime, serves directly under a CompleteMonster total villain (Palpatine), and has killed, terrorized, injured and manipulated many beings across the galaxy, he's widely viewed as [[EvilIsCool a cool and admirable character]], became the SeriesMascot, and is [[MisaimedMarketing heavily marketed to kids]]; many people ignore his atrocities merely to focus on [[BlackKnight his cool design]], [[PsychicPowers Force powers]], and [[EvilSoundsDeep memorable voice and quotes]]. While ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' and the prequel trilogy made him more sympathetic, the point remains that, if not for the fact that he was so damn successful, [[TheHeavy the main villain]] would be a very odd choice as the mascot for the family-friendly ''Star Wars'' franchise. In fact, ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'' may have worsened this for Vader, because Creator/HaydenChristensen's PrettyBoy {{Hunk}} looks gained him many fangirls and put EvilIsSexy into effect.
16th Dec '16 10:30:22 AM Lemia
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* Alex from ''Film/AClockworkOrange''. True, he's the main character, his society and the adults in his life don't give a crap about him, and Creator/MalcolmMcDowell's performance is very compelling. He's still a sociopathic teenage psycho and Mary Sue fics where the author tries to redeem him with True Love miss the point.

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* Alex from ''Film/AClockworkOrange''. True, he's the main character, his society and the adults in his life don't give a crap about him, and Creator/MalcolmMcDowell's performance is very compelling. He's still a sociopathic teenage psycho and Mary Sue fics where the author tries to redeem him with True Love miss the point. While the original book ''did'' have an epilogue chapter where he genuinely reforms after he becomes older and even thinks about eventually having a family, the film doesn't include this at all.
15th Dec '16 10:02:42 AM Darthrai
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** Darth Vader is one of the biggest examples in popular culture. Despite the fact that he's the enforcer of an evil totalitarian regime, serves directly under a CompleteMonster (Palpatine), and has killed, terrorized, injured and manipulated many beings across the galaxy, he's widely viewed as [[EvilIsCool a cool and admirable character]], became the SeriesMascot, and is [[MisaimedMarketing heavily marketed to kids]]; many people ignore his atrocities merely to focus on [[BlackKnight his cool design]], [[PsychicPowers Force powers]], and [[EvilSoundsDeep memorable voice and quotes]]. While ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'' and the prequel trilogy made him more sympathetic, the point remains that, if not for the fact that he was so damn successful, [[TheHeavy the main villain]] would be a very odd choice as the mascot for the family-friendly ''Star Wars'' franchise. In fact, ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'' may have worsened this for Vader, because Creator/HaydenChristensen's PrettyBoy {{Hunk}} looks gained him many fangirls and put EvilIsSexy into effect.
15th Dec '16 4:37:49 AM Everlighte
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* [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation Depending on how you view him]], John Bender from ''Film/TheBreakfastClub'' has a lot of fangirls in spite of being a SociopathicHero & a horrific jerkass to everyone throughout the entire movie - basically living up to his stereotype as a criminal.

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* [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation [[BaseBreakingCharacter Depending on how you view him]], John Bender from ''Film/TheBreakfastClub'' has a lot of fangirls in spite of being a SociopathicHero & a horrific jerkass to everyone throughout the entire movie - basically arguably living up to his stereotype as a dangerous criminal.
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