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17th Aug '17 9:17:44 PM KizunaTallis
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* Let's not forget Edward Norton became a "gay icon" only after he took a role as a buff Nazi skinhead with a swastika tattoo in ''Film/AmericanHistoryX''

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* Let's not forget Edward Norton The ''Franchise/{{Alien}}'' prequel movies ''Film/{{Prometheus}}'' and ''Film/AlienCovenant'' has the android David 8 (played by Creator/MichaelFassbender). Although he is ultimately [[spoiler:the GreaterScopeVillain of the series by virtue of creating the xenomorphs through extensive experiments while skipping over the MoralEventHorizon to do so thanks to a massive AGodAmI complex]], it hasn't stopped fans from shipping him with other characters.
* Strangely enough, Creator/EdwardNorton
became a "gay icon" only after he took a role as a buff Nazi skinhead with a swastika tattoo in ''Film/AmericanHistoryX''''Film/AmericanHistoryX''.



* Vincent from ''{{Film/Collateral}}'', if fanfic is believed. For more specific reasons, it's because he manages to be quite [[EvilIsSexy hand]][[WhiteHairBlackHeart some]] and a dangerously badass assassin with [[WickedCultured great taste in music and suits]].

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* Vincent from ''{{Film/Collateral}}'', ''Film/{{Collateral}}'', if fanfic is believed. For more specific reasons, it's because he manages to be quite [[EvilIsSexy hand]][[WhiteHairBlackHeart some]] and a dangerously badass assassin with [[WickedCultured great taste in music and suits]].



* [[Film/TheDarkKnight The Joker]] and [[Film/BatmanBegins the Scarecrow/Jonathan Crane]] seem to get this a lot in Batman fanfiction. Leave it to crazed fangirls to pick two of the most evil characters in a series that actually has several sympathetic (or in the case of the ordinary mobsters, at least normal) villains to crush on. This is made even more bizarre by their neglect of Ra's al Ghul and Two-Face, the latter of whom is actually a sympathetic villain.

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* [[Film/TheDarkKnight The Joker]] and [[Film/BatmanBegins the Scarecrow/Jonathan Crane]] seem to get this a lot in fanfiction for the Nolanverse Batman fanfiction.films. Leave it to crazed fangirls to pick two of the most evil characters in a series that actually has several sympathetic (or in the case of the ordinary mobsters, at least normal) villains to crush on. This is made even more bizarre by their neglect of Ra's al Ghul and Two-Face, the latter of whom is actually a sympathetic villain.



** Similar to what happens in mainstream ''Film/BatmanBegins'' fic. [[BeautyEqualsGoodness Androgynous sexiness must equal goodness, too.]] Cillian's portrayal of Jonathan Crane and Red Eye's Rippner would get along famously if it weren't for Crane's utter insanity. Some of the fans get around it with heavy medication. Some just ignore the portions of the film where Crane acts typically villainous and psychotic - most of his screen time, in fact - and make him a surly, slightly manipulative but otherwise well DeadpanSnarker.
** And people have begun giving ''Film/TheDarkKnightSaga''-verse Joker this treatment. No, you did not just misread that.
*** Bane gets this treatment now, too, though [[spoiler:his sympathetic backstory]] makes this more understandable.
17th Aug '17 9:17:44 PM KizunaTallis
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29th Jul '17 3:19:30 PM HamburgerTime
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* ''Film/GetOut'':
** [[spoiler:Rose and Jeremy Armitage]] have a lot of fans who sympathize with them, feeling they they aren't fully responsible for their actions due to either [[spoiler:[[TheSvengali their mother]] brainwashing them or simply having been indoctrinated by the cult since childhood]]. This ignores the fact that absolutely none of this is so much as implied in the film, an overwhelming amount of evidence that [[{{Sadist}} they thoroughly enjoy what they do]], and the fact that [[spoiler:stimuli that are known to provoke reactions in the brainwashing victims such as bright lights and the sound of a spoon against a teacup have no effect on them]].
** There are also fans who feel bad for [[spoiler:Jim Hudson, the blind art dealer who wins the right to steal Chris's body, due to his disability and the fact that he's the only cultist not motivated by racism - as if that's the worst part of [[GrandTheftMe forcibly bodyjacking someone]], and also ignores the fact that despite not being racist himself he [[{{Hypocrite}} aids and abets the rest of the cult]] for purely selfish motives]].
30th May '17 7:58:02 PM libertydude
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* An InUniverse example occurs within ''Film/IShotJesseJames'', with the titular outlaw being romanticized by TheWildWest as [[JustLikeRobinHood a Robin hood figure]] that was cruelly murdered by the [[DirtyCoward coward]] Robert Ford. This ignores the fact that Jesse had robbed and killed numerous people in his illegal pursuits, as well as that he never gave any of his money to the impoverished. The odd thing is that this attitude [[TruthInTelevision was actually real]]: Jesse James was considered a [[NobleDemon "noble outlaw"]] long after his death, with numerous [[DimeNovel novels]] and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcBkQiuK97Q a popular ballad]] helping to paint this image of him.
26th Jan '17 8:02:38 AM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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** TheEmpire in general gets a fair amount of this. It goes beyond RootingForTheEmpire (which is where people root for the bad guys ''while still acknowledging they're the bad guys''), since some political analysts [[http://www.weeklystandard.com/article/2540 have actually interpreted the Empire as the real heroes of the franchise]].

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** TheEmpire in general gets a fair amount of this. It goes beyond RootingForTheEmpire (which is where when people root for the bad guys ''while still acknowledging they're the bad guys''), since some political analysts [[http://www.weeklystandard.com/article/2540 have actually interpreted the Empire as the real heroes of the franchise]].
13th Jan '17 8:38:45 PM CurledUpWithDakka
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* The mass-murdering Michael Myers from the ''Franchise/{{Halloween}} series. All of the fanfics have Michael abducting and falling for a girl, or a "childhood friend".

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* The mass-murdering Michael Myers from the ''Franchise/{{Halloween}} ''Franchise/{{Halloween}}'' series. All of the fanfics have Michael abducting and falling for a girl, or a "childhood friend".
9th Jan '17 4:21:04 AM youfeelingluckypunk27
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* Tuco in ''Film/TheGoodTheBadAndTheUgly'', a greedy, selfish, petty, vengeful, opportunistic bandit whose charges have been for things such as armed robbery, murder, rape, kidnapping, extortion and selling stolen goods, gets this treatment from audience members, critics and film scholars, not to mention his sizeable fangirl community. It's because for every one of his bad deeds, he wins his audience over again and again by doing something funny or cute, or reminding us of how lost and somewhat vulnerable he is.

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* Tuco in ''Film/TheGoodTheBadAndTheUgly'', a greedy, selfish, petty, vengeful, opportunistic bandit whose charges have been for things such as armed robbery, murder, rape, kidnapping, extortion and selling stolen goods, gets this treatment from audience members, critics and film scholars, not to mention his sizeable fangirl community. It's because for every one of his bad deeds, he wins his audience over again and again by doing something funny or cute, or reminding us of how lost and somewhat vulnerable he is. The fact that he's firmly established as a fully-fledged JerkassWoobie has caused some people to overlook his more ruthless side.
2nd Jan '17 5:09:55 AM Argon2
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** It probably helps that RLeeErmey is actually quite nice (if still very intimidating) and it is a well known fact he was a real drill instructor for the Marines before retiring to a Hollywood career.



** Part of this is likely due to the fact that she's presented very ambiguously. She's obviously sociopathic, but she gives out no true details about her life or past, making the viewer wonder why she's doing it and therefore invent a possibly sympathetic backstory.
** It is also possible that the nature of the child molester's crimes contributes to this: Fans tend to ignore or excuse all sorts of horrible fates that are doled out to characters that are portrayed as [[KickTheDog having crossed]] [[MoralEventHorizon some sort of line]].



** The idea that Landa is a MagnificentBastard actually has shades of this trope; he's more of a SmugSnake because his "plan" has so many flaws in it, and the most obvious one is the one that actually happens [[spoiler: namely, trusting a group of sociopaths who call themselves [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast the Basterds]]]]. That, and while his plan to [[spoiler: sell out the German leadership]] ''did'' sort-of work, he failed to identify Shoshanna as the Jewish girl whose family he slaughtered, so even if he did [[spoiler: turn the Basterds in]] they all still would have died, maybe himself included, and mostly due to his incompetence, not his scheming.

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** The idea that Landa is a MagnificentBastard actually has shades of this trope; he's more of a SmugSnake SmugSnake, because his "plan" has so many flaws in it, and the most obvious one is being the one that actually happens [[spoiler: namely, trusting a group of sociopaths who call themselves [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast the Basterds]]]]. That, and while his plan to [[spoiler: sell out the German leadership]] ''did'' sort-of work, he failed to identify Shoshanna as the Jewish girl whose family he slaughtered, so even if he did [[spoiler: turn the Basterds in]] they all still would have died, maybe himself included, and mostly due to his incompetence, not his scheming.



* The title character in the film version of ''Film/SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet''. Granted, he does have a very sympathetic backstory. A judge lusted after Sweeney's wife Lucy. The judge fabricated a crime that resulted in Barker being exiled to Australia and then proceeded to drive Lucy to suicide, and then took in Lucy and Sweeney's daughter Johanna as his ward. However, the sympathy factor starts to wane when Todd loses sight of his original goal of avenging his wife and daughter. Instead, he slaughters tons of innocent people, including, [[spoiler:by mistake, his own wife Lucy, who had become an insane beggar from the poison instead of dying. He is so deranged at this point that he cuts her down just because the judge is coming over and he might see this crazy lady running around the barber shop. He doesn't realize exactly what he's done until later]]. Still, fangirls swoon over how hot he is and ignore everything he does because his life is so sad. To be fair, this may mostly come from the fact that Creator/JohnnyDepp plays him.
** Same with Mrs Lovett. Interpertations of her range from anti-villain to woobie, despite the fact that she knows what she's doing and that it's wrong, but doesn't care.

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* The title character in the film version of ''Film/SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet''. Granted, he does have a very sympathetic backstory. A judge lusted after Sweeney's wife Lucy. The judge fabricated a crime that resulted in Barker being exiled to Australia and then proceeded to drive Lucy to suicide, and then took in Lucy and Sweeney's daughter Johanna as his ward. However, the sympathy factor starts to wane when Todd loses sight of his original goal of avenging his wife and daughter. Instead, he slaughters tons of innocent people, including, [[spoiler:by mistake, his own wife Lucy, who had become an insane beggar from the poison instead of dying. He is so deranged at this point that he cuts her down just because the judge is coming over and he might see this crazy lady running around the barber shop. He doesn't realize exactly what he's done until later]]. Still, fangirls swoon over how hot he is and ignore everything he does because his life is so sad. To be fair, this may mostly come from the fact that Creator/JohnnyDepp plays him.\n
** Same with Mrs Lovett. Interpertations Interprtations of her range from anti-villain to woobie, despite the fact that she knows what she's doing and that it's wrong, but doesn't care.



*** Mostly people consider her a good feminist -character- though because she is complex, flawed and non-stereotypical (and cool) and goes through a compelling arc over the course of the two movies. Few would consider her to be an admirable person in the story itself. Feminists instead argue "People should write more female characters like Sarah Connor because she's interesting and not just a cookie-cutter love interest." Good character /= good person.

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*** Mostly people consider her a good feminist -character- though because she is complex, flawed and non-stereotypical (and cool) and goes through a compelling arc over the course of the two movies. Few would consider her to be an admirable person in the story itself. Feminists instead argue "People should write more female characters like Sarah Connor because she's interesting and not just a cookie-cutter love interest." Good character /= =/= good person.



** [[spoiler: Angel Salvadore]] is actually an aversion of this trope. [[spoiler: She]] has some of the attributes down, such as good looks, sympathetic motives and [[HellBentForLeather leathery attire]] (seriously, it's almost like the film-makers were trying to deliberately evoke this trope). But [[spoiler: she's]] not very well liked by the fandom though the fact that [[spoiler: she joined Shaw and stayed with him even after he killed Darwin]] could account for that.

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** [[spoiler: Angel Salvadore]] is actually an aversion of this trope. [[spoiler: She]] has some of the attributes down, such as good looks, sympathetic motives and [[HellBentForLeather leathery attire]] (seriously, it's almost like the film-makers were trying to deliberately evoke this trope). But [[spoiler: she's]] not very well liked by the fandom though the fact that [[spoiler: she joined Shaw and stayed with him even after he killed Darwin]] could account for that.fandom.
22nd Dec '16 12:32:31 PM Morgenthaler
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* [[GeneralRipper Colonel Miles Quaritch]] of ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' derives a huge amount of popularity from this, perhaps from those who [[RonTheDeathEater feel that the Na'vi didn't deserve the reverence they were given by many]], despite the fact that the Na'vi are never shown doing anything wrong unless provoked by the humans' hostility. The fandom only focuses on Quaritch's [[VillainousValor fortitude and courage in battle]], [[CoolShip cool]] [[MiniMecha vehicles]], and all-around [[{{Badass}} feats of badassitude]]. Fans also overlook his overt acts of [[FantasticRacism genocide]] against a peaceful, primitive alien tribe, including [[spoiler:[[MoralEventHorizon firebombing the tribe's giant tree home and killing possibly hundreds of innocent tribespeople, including helpless children]]. ]] Proponents of the Quaritch-as-hero theory see him as a brave and loyal defender of humanity.

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* [[GeneralRipper Colonel Miles Quaritch]] of ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' derives a huge amount of popularity from this, perhaps from those who [[RonTheDeathEater feel that the Na'vi didn't deserve the reverence they were given by many]], despite the fact that the Na'vi are never shown doing anything wrong unless provoked by the humans' hostility. The fandom only focuses on Quaritch's [[VillainousValor fortitude and courage in battle]], [[CoolShip cool]] [[MiniMecha vehicles]], and all-around [[{{Badass}} feats of badassitude]].badassitude. Fans also overlook his overt acts of [[FantasticRacism genocide]] against a peaceful, primitive alien tribe, including [[spoiler:[[MoralEventHorizon firebombing the tribe's giant tree home and killing possibly hundreds of innocent tribespeople, including helpless children]]. ]] Proponents of the Quaritch-as-hero theory see him as a brave and loyal defender of humanity.



* Vincent from ''{{Film/Collateral}}'', if fanfic is believed. For more specific reasons, it's because he manages to be quite [[EvilIsSexy hand]][[WhiteHairBlackHeart some]] and a dangerously {{badass}} assassin with [[WickedCultured great taste in music and suits]].

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* Vincent from ''{{Film/Collateral}}'', if fanfic is believed. For more specific reasons, it's because he manages to be quite [[EvilIsSexy hand]][[WhiteHairBlackHeart some]] and a dangerously {{badass}} badass assassin with [[WickedCultured great taste in music and suits]].



* A subset of the ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'' fandom refer to themselves as 'Hoffbunnies' due to their all-consuming love for the franchise's resident MagnificentBastard, Detective Mark Hoffman. He may be a [[BitchInSheepsClothing heartless, sadistic]] and [[AxCrazy violent killer]] but that doesn't stop his fanbase from waxing lyrical about how {{Badass}} and [[EvilIsSexy sexy]] he is at every available opportunity. It's most likely [[ArousedByTheirVoice that voice]]. Or ''those lips''.
* Tony Montana of ''Film/{{Scarface 1983}}'' is a violent and possessive criminal who gradually descends into becoming an AxCrazy drug lord who, by the end of the film, has alienated or outright murdered all his friends. Instead of being seen as the cautionary tale he was intended to be, he was glorified as an "all gangster" role model by hip hop culture and ''real'' drug lords. Part of it stems from him making some good points about his actions (his "Say goodnight to the bad guy" speech) and his LastStand in the finale cementing him as a genuine {{Badass}}.

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* A subset of the ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'' fandom refer to themselves as 'Hoffbunnies' due to their all-consuming love for the franchise's resident MagnificentBastard, Detective Mark Hoffman. He may be a [[BitchInSheepsClothing heartless, sadistic]] and [[AxCrazy violent killer]] but that doesn't stop his fanbase from waxing lyrical about how {{Badass}} badass and [[EvilIsSexy sexy]] he is at every available opportunity. It's most likely [[ArousedByTheirVoice that voice]]. Or ''those lips''.
* Tony Montana of ''Film/{{Scarface 1983}}'' is a violent and possessive criminal who gradually descends into becoming an AxCrazy drug lord who, by the end of the film, has alienated or outright murdered all his friends. Instead of being seen as the cautionary tale he was intended to be, he was glorified as an "all gangster" role model by hip hop culture and ''real'' drug lords. Part of it stems from him making some good points about his actions (his "Say goodnight to the bad guy" speech) and his LastStand in the finale cementing him as a genuine {{Badass}}.badass.



** General Grievous' leather pants come from two main factors: number one, [[ImplacableMan his]] ''[[HeroKiller incredible]]'' [[{{Badass}} feats]] from the ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsCloneWars'' cartoon earned him tons of fans. Number two, his DarkAndTroubledPast, as revealed in the Expanded Universe, earned him some sympathy points.

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** General Grievous' leather pants come from two main factors: number one, [[ImplacableMan his]] ''[[HeroKiller incredible]]'' [[{{Badass}} feats]] feats from the ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsCloneWars'' cartoon earned him tons of fans. Number two, his DarkAndTroubledPast, as revealed in the Expanded Universe, earned him some sympathy points.



** Rorschach before the film: he had a MisaimedFandom that viewed him as a total {{badass}}, but never found him sexy. Then the movie came, along with a legion of fangirls who want to "make him better".

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** Rorschach before the film: he had a MisaimedFandom that viewed him as a total {{badass}}, badass, but never found him sexy. Then the movie came, along with a legion of fangirls who want to "make him better".
20th Dec '16 1:02:20 PM BaronVonFistcrunch
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* Tony Montana of ''Film/{{Scarface 1983}}'' is a violent and possessive criminal who gradually descends into becoming an AxCrazy drug lord who, by the end of the film, has alienated or outright murdered all his friends. Instead of being seen as the cautionary tale he was intended to be, he was glorified as an "all gangster" role model by hip hop culture and ''real'' drug lords. Part of it stems from him making some good points about his actions (his "Say goodnight to the bad guy" speech) and his LastStand in the finale cementing him as a genuine {{Badass}}.
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